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Songs With Ramones References

There is a song by some band and it is called DEADRAMONES. But I really cannot remember the name of the band and can't add it to Ramones References until I do. Has anyone ever heard the song or know who sings it? TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's D.E.A.D.R.A.M.O.N.E.S. by Modern Life Is War. Check Google, the top listing has an MP3. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks much. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bonzo Goes to Bitburg

The article states that Johnny refused to play the song when he figured out what it was about. Is there confirmation of this? Johnny would have to be pretty dense; I figured it out in high school. It was released in 1986, and I have a DVD of them playing BGTB in 1992 in Cologne.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.232.77.240 (talk • contribs) (10th Jan 2005)

OK, if there's no cite made for this claim by Dec 18 '05, I'm going to delete that sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.62.88.12 (talk • contribs) (14th Dec 2005)

The song was written by Dee Dee not Joey. The dispute was over the title,which Johnny didn't like. They comprimised on the album it was called 'Howling at the Moon (Sha-la-la)' and on the single 'Bonzo Goes to Bitburg'.

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Lenbrazil

I think BGTB was actually renamed 'My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down' - My copy of 'BTBG' Beggars Banquet 1985, my copy of 'Animal Boy' Sire 1986. Also 'Poison Heart:Surviving The Ramones' Dee DeeRamone, pp 118 - 119.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DuncanTilley (talk • contribs) (2nd Jan 2006)

The First punk rock Band

I would suggest the following change:

Instead of "The Ramones were a punk rock band," it ought to read "The Ramones were the FIRST punk rock band."

I think that most music historians and enthusiasts would agree that they were the first band to meld all of the requisite elements of punk rock music into an identifiable genre.

It is often rightly said that the Ramones created punk, the Sex Pistols made it famous, and The Clash made it mainstream.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.125.16 (talk • contribs) (15th Dec 2005)

Punk rock?

Johnny Ramone stated in an interview that he did not think that the Ramones were any more punk than the Beatles and that they did not play punk rock, but rock n' roll.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikrieg (talk • contribs) (30th Dec 2005)

Bonzo

My Brain Is Hangin Upside Down was written by BOTH Joey and Dee Dee. Jean Beavoir also contributed. Johnny did play that song live even though it was against his values and opinions.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikrieg (talk • contribs) (30th Dec 2005)

I Saw them in '93 and they played it. Johnny played it like he loved it. He was always my favourite Ramoone.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.168.168 (talk • contribs) (5th Jan 2006)

Muscial Activists?

Why are they listed as musical activists? Aside from Bonzo goes to Germany, they really didn't have any "political" songs. As a band, they didn't have a political stance and as far as I know, they never played benefits, or donated band money to any activist organization. I would suggest removing them from the Musical Activist category.

BTChicago 20:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the End of the Century documentary, it seemed like they were doing a benerfit concert of some kind, don't remember for what and how common it was, but still... 惑乱 分からん 14:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That was Joey doing a benefit for the Democratic Party, not the Ramones. They never did politics, because Joey and Johnny disagreed so much. I'd feel better if Johnny and Joey were seperately listed as activists than the group as a whole. SwitChar 1:21, 23 January 2006


I would agree with SwitChar's suggestion that Joey and Johnny each be listed as musical activists, as opposed to the band. BTChicago 03:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Brickman

In addition, though alleged by his family to be the primary drummer for The Ramones, Steve Brickman, in fact, never played with the band. What is that about? A citation or reference link would be nice.--BlueGlowGuardian 02:43, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't find any references on this, or references to who Steve Brickman could be, leading to the conclusion that some kid decided to write himself or a friend into the article. Bah! and delete. Ziggurat 20:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Second punk rock band?

I think this is a matter of opinion and should not be included in the opening section of the article. The article also doesn't clarify who the first punk band was if it wasn't the Ramones (The Stooges, perhaps?). Personally, I think they were the first. No Underbites 18:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no objections I will change the first sentence to "The Ramones are widely considered to be a seminal punk rock band;" I think this is more ambiguous and less one-sided. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. --No Underbites 19:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


The phrase implies that there are some who do not think the Ramones are "a seminal punk rock band," which is absurd. Perhaps change "a seminal punk rock band" to "the seminal punk rock band." Then again, I'd have no problem with stating that they are "the first punk rock band," as that's how allmusic.com refers to them. Why not "widely considered to be the first punk rock band"? --Willerror 02:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


They're definitely one of the first but not necessarily the first. The New York Dolls formed a few years earlier, and The Stooges laid the foundation for punk rock before punk rock existed. --keepsleeping slack off! 16:19, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]



Okay, what about "one of the first punk bands and are widely considered to be the most influential" or "most important"? I think it needs to be stated right off that the Ramones occupy a special place in rock history, something different from the Dolls and the Stooges--great though those bands are, the Ramones captured something they did not. I think that should be reflected by acknowledging that right off. Willerror 20:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some Template

To my opinion this:

template or whatever it is called needs some clean-up time. Maybe the "Discography" section should be split up into seperate categories like "singles", "albums"... If I would know how to do that I would, but I don't. And Editing stuff like that is a bit ahead of me.(MrDeBeuker 13:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC))[reply]

195.92.168.175 22:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC) ....What you guys forget is that they never called themselves a "Punk" band. The Stooges and the Dolls were influences for punk, but especially in the case of the Dolls they were more glam rock.[reply]

It doesn't matter much what someone considers himself to be. War criminals generally don't consider themselves to be war criminals either.(MrDeBeuker 00:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Interview with a dead man

"According to Joey, in an interview prior to his death". Prior to Joey's or Ritchies' death? If Joey's death is meant here "prior to his death" should obviously be removed, otherwise the sentence should be reworded.(MrDeBeuker 10:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC))[reply]

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