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you moron! I have over 100,000 fans, 3 albums, and am signed and you still think that is not enough! you dont know much about much.... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.122.247.236|68.122.247.236]] ([[User talk:68.122.247.236|talk]]) 22:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:Yes, and I'm sure your hundred-thousand fans will appreciate knowing how immature a jerk you are. :) Thanks for finally making that a matter of public record. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 22:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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Dear KieferSkunk, I am really sorry for bothering but user [[User:Kobra85|Kobra85]] is still vandalizing the article [[National Liberation War of Macedonia]], although you warned him once not to do that. he is erasing 80% of the article backed with photographies and references. other users also warned him about his uncivil behavior. Sincerely yours. --[[User:Revizionist|Revizionist]] ([[User talk:Revizionist|talk]]) 11:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
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:First of all, Kiefer did not warn me about my reverts (which have not violated the 3RR rule), but about my temper. Second, only you see it as vandalism, I specifically carried out Future's personal request of rewriting the article, but you helped yourself by reverting it and adding too many images (claiming they're "beautiful") and copyvio material, not to mention overly exaggerating the amount of information which has been rewritten. I suggest you stop going behind my back and bringing this issue up with different admins every time you're reverted. [[User:Kobra85|Köbra]] <sup>[[User talk:Kobra85|Könverse]]</sup> 13:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
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'''East Newark''' is a [[Borough (New Jersey)|borough]] in [[Hudson County, New Jersey|Hudson County]], [[New Jersey]], [[United States]]. As of the [[United States 2000 Census]], the borough population was 2,377.


The Borough of East Newark was established on [[July 3]], [[1895]], from portions of [[Kearny, New Jersey|Kearny]] lying between the [[Erie Railroad]] and [[Harrison, New Jersey|Harrison]], based on the results of a referendum held the previous day.<ref name=Story>"The Story of New Jersey's Civil Boundaries: 1606-1968", John P. Snyder, Bureau of Geology and Topography; Trenton, New Jersey; 1969. p. 146.</ref><ref>[http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6nfq6/id8.html Borough of East Newark History]. Accessed [[July 31]], [[2006]].</ref><ref>[http://www.townofharrison.com/A_BRIEF_HISTORY_OF_HARRISON.html A Brief History of Harrison], Town of Harrison. Accessed [[April 17]], [[2006]].</ref>
::Kobra85: Actually, I did warn you that you were treading on thin ice with respect to [[WP:3RR]] - along with my other suggestions and recommendations to you in your talk page, I said "Consider this an official 3RR warning". The edit war there is clearly disruptive. Because there has been a previous warning in this case, I have blocked Kobra85 for 24 hours for violating the spirit of [[WP:3RR]] and to prevent further disruption in the article.


==Geography==
::I want to make it clear, though, that I am not taking sides in this matter, I am not encouraging or endorsing any specific revision of that article, and I want you both/all to continue working together once Kobra85 is back, to come up with a [[WP:NPOV|neutral and balanced]] version of the article.
East Newark is located at {{coor dms|40|44|60|N|74|9|40|W|city}} (40.749901, -74.161105){{GR|1}}.


According to the [[United States Census Bureau]], the borough has a total area of 0.1&nbsp;[[square mile]]s (0.3&nbsp;[[km²]]), of which, 0.1&nbsp;square miles (0.3&nbsp;km²) of it is land and 0.04&nbsp;square miles (0.1&nbsp;km²) of it (16.67%) is water.
::Revizionist, consider yourself warned for [[WP:3RR]] as well. Avoid back-and-forth edit wars. Thanks. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 15:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


==Demographics==
I understand KieferSkunk. But please tell me how to overcome this. Please give me instructions. I spent a whole month researching to write the article. 80% of the article is my contribution. And user Kobra erases it. Tell me what to do. P.S. Kobra does not want to make a neutral version of the text. he just erases my contributions which are 80% of the text, backed with references and photographs. Regards. --[[User:Revizionist|Revizionist]] ([[User talk:Revizionist|talk]]) 20:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
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| 1940=2273
| 1950=2173
| 1960=1872
| 1970=1922
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| 1990=2157
| 2000=2377
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| footnote=Population 1930 - 1990.<ref>[http://www.wnjpin.net/OneStopCareerCenter/LaborMarketInformation/lmi01/poptrd6.htm New Jersey Resident Population by Municipality: 1930 - 1990], Workforce New Jersey Public Information Network. Accessed [[March 1]], [[2007]].</ref>
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As of the [[census]]{{GR|2}} of 2000, there were 2,377 people, 767 households, and 605 families residing in the borough. The [[population density]] was 23,330.0 people per square mile (9,177.6/km²). There were 799 housing units at an average density of 7,842.1/sq&nbsp;mi (3,085.0/km²). The racial makeup of the borough was 67.02% [[White (U.S. Census)|White]], 1.68% [[African American (U.S. Census)|African American]], 0.50% [[Native American (U.S. Census)|Native American]], 2.52% [[Asian (U.S. Census)|Asian]], 0.04% [[Pacific Islander (U.S. Census)|Pacific Islander]], 20.99% from [[Race (United States Census)|other races]], and 7.24% from two or more races. [[Hispanic (U.S. Census)|Hispanic]] or [[Latino (U.S. Census)|Latino]] of any race were 47.54% of the population.


As of the 2000 census, 10.1% of East Newark's residents identified themselves as being of [[Peruvian American]] ancestry. This was the highest percentage of Peruvian American people in any place in the United States.<ref>[http://www.epodunk.com/ancestry/Peruvian.html Peruvian Communities], [[Epodunk]]. Accessed [[July 7]], [[2006]].</ref> In the same census, 6.2% of East Newark's residents identified themselves as being of [[Brazilian American]] ancestry. This was the highest percentage of Brazilian American people in any place in the United States.<ref>[http://www.epodunk.com/ancestry/Brazilian.html Brazilian Communities], [[Epodunk]]. Accessed [[July 7]], [[2006]].</ref> As of the 2000 census, 7.67% of East Newark's residents identified themselves as being of [[Ecuador]]ian ancestry, which was the highest of any municipality in New Jersey and the third highest percentage of Ecuadorian people in any place in the United States with 1,000 or more residents identifying their ancestry.<ref>[http://www.epodunk.com/ancestry/Ecuadorian.html Ecuadorian Communities], [[Epodunk]]. Accessed [[June 28]], [[2006]].</ref>
:I would [[WP:RFC|Request Comment]] or [[WP:3O|get a third opinion]] next, and if you are still unable to work out the content dispute, I'd take it to [[WP:AN|one of the admin noticeboards]] to get some administrator oversight on the article. The idea here is to get more people looking at the article and its revision history, and to form consensus on what information should be included vs. what should not. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 20:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


There were 767 households out of which 41.9% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 55.0% were [[Marriage|married couples]] living together, 16.0% had a female householder with no husband present, and 21.1% were non-families. 16.0% of all households were made up of individuals and 5.9% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 3.10 and the average family size was 3.40.
::lol, I didn't even realise I was blocked until just then. That's okay, I'm not one of those low self-esteem individuals who edit on Wikipedia every day because they have no life. By the way, Keifer, I'd get my eyes checked if I were you, I only reverted the article twice so, technically, you blocked me for no reason. [[User:Kobra85|Köbra]] <sup>[[User talk:Kobra85|Könverse]]</sup> 10:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


In the borough the population was spread out with 25.9% under the age of 18, 10.9% from 18 to 24, 36.7% from 25 to 44, 18.8% from 45 to 64, and 7.6% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 32 years. For every 100 females there were 103.9 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 104.5 males.
:::You apparently missed the point of the block. Go back and read [[WP:3RR]] again - an admin can block you for any number of reverts at their discretion if it's clear that you're edit-warring. It does not have to be three reverts in 24 hours. So, technically, I had a very good reason for blocking you, and if I see that sort of behavior continue, I will block you again, as will most any other admin. Next time, it will be for a longer period. Additionally, you might want to go read [[WP:TE]] - tendentious editors are often considered unduly disruptive, and one of the symptoms of being a tendentious editor is quibbling over the technical details of the 3-Revert Rule. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 17:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


The median income for a household in the borough was $44,352, and the median income for a family was $46,375. Males had a median income of $31,875 versus $24,231 for females. The [[per capita income]] for the borough was $16,415. About 11.3% of families and 12.6% of the population were below the [[poverty line]], including 17.7% of those under age 18 and 8.6% of those age 65 or over.
::::I wasn't complaining, I was just pointing it out. Like I said, I'm not going to have a cry over a measly block on a website. [[User:Kobra85|Köbra]] <sup>[[User talk:Kobra85|Könverse]]</sup> 07:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


== Government ==
:::::Then why are you taking the time to "point it out" on my talk page? If it doesn't matter to you that much, why are you even bothering? :P &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 15:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
===Local government===
East Newark is governed under the [[Borough (New Jersey)|Borough]] form of New Jersey municipal government. The government consists of a Mayor and a Borough Council comprising six council members, with all positions elected at large. A Mayor is elected directly by the voters to a four-year term of office. The Borough Council consists of six members elected to serve three-year terms on a staggered basis, with two seats coming up for election each year.<ref name=DataBook>''2005 New Jersey Legislative District Data Book'', [[Rutgers University]] [[Edward J. Bloustein School of Planning and Public Policy]], April 2005, p. 142.</ref>


The [[Mayor]] of East Newark is Joseph R. Smith. Members of the East Newark Borough Council are Council President Charles F. Tighe, Hans Peter Lucas, Yamara Salas, Edward V. Serafin, Jose Silva and Jeanne Zincavage.<ref>[http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6nfq6/id5.html Borough of East Newark Elected Officials], Borough of East Newark. Accessed [[July 28]], [[2008]].</ref>
== Thank You ==


Mayor Smith is a member of the [[Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition]],<ref>{{cite web| url=http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/about/members.shtml| title=Mayors Against Illegal Guns: Coalition Members}}</ref> a [[bi-partisan]] group with a stated goal of "making the public safer by getting illegal guns off the streets." The Coalition is co-chaired by [[Boston]] Mayor [[Thomas Menino]] and [[New York City]] Mayor [[Michael Bloomberg]].
KieferSkunk Thank you for your input. It is duly noted. --[[User:SportsMaster|SportsMaster]] ([[User talk:SportsMaster|talk]]) 16:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


=== Federal, state and county representation ===
== VG Guidelines ==
East Newark is in the Thirteenth Congressional District and is part of New Jersey's 32nd Legislative District.<ref>[http://www.lwvnj.org/pubs/CG06.pdf 2006 New Jersey Citizen's Guide to Government], New Jersey [[League of Women Voters]], p. 56,. Accessed [[August 30]], [[2006]].</ref>


{{NJ Congress 13}} {{NJ Senate}}
Hey there. There was a recent discussion on the VG guidelines talk page about the guidelines. Overall, the content of the guidelines has strong consensus. But a few people thought the guidelines had grown cluttered and disorganized, even if their purpose and meaning are rock solid. I put together a [[User talk:Randomran/guidelinework|new layout at my user page]]. My goal was to keep the meaning the same, but to improve the clarity and organization of the guidelines.


{{NJ Legislative 32}} {{NJ Governor}}
I've contacted you because I've noticed that you've been around long enough to have taken part in many discussions about these guidelines and probably have the most experience with them. I was hoping you could take a quick look and tell me your gut reaction so far. If there's any areas where you think I'm way off and need to change to be closer to what we have now, or if there's areas where you think I can make further progress. After I've tried to tackle your feedback, I hope to put the proposal to the larger wikiproject.


Hudson County's [[County executive|County Executive]] is [[Thomas A. DeGise]]. The executive, together with the nine-member [[Board of Chosen Freeholders]] in a legislative role, administer all county business. East Newark is part of [http://www.hudsoncountynj.org/downloads/freeholders/HC%20Freeholder%20District%209.pdf Freeholder District 9], which is represented by [[Albert Cifelli]]. District 9 also includes the Towns of [[Harrison, New Jersey|Harrison]] and [[Kearny, New Jersey|Kearny]], and part of the Town of [[Secaucus, New Jersey|Secaucus]].
[[User talk:Randomran/guidelinework|Take a look]] when you find a minute. And reply directly at [[User talk:Randomran|my talk page]]. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 22:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


==Education==
: Thanks for getting back to me. I'm glad you think it's on the right track. I'm gonna get a bit more feedback from Masem and guyinblack to see if there's any glaring problems or omissions. Once they've signed off, I'll get feedback from the broader video games wikiproject. Thanks again! [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 20:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The [[East Newark School District]] serves students in pre-kindergarten through eighth grade at East Newark Public School. As of the 2005-06 school year, the school had an enrollment of 240 students.<ref>[http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/school_list.asp?Search=1&DistrictID=3404200 Data for the East Newark Public School], [[National Center for Education Statistics]]. Accessed [[April 14]], [[2008]].</ref>


For grades 9-12, public school students attend [[Harrison High School (New Jersey)|Harrison High School]] in [[Harrison, New Jersey|Harrison]], as part of a [[sending/receiving relationship]] with the [[Harrison Public Schools]].
== Need some help with [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Arbitrary_section_break|the GoHuskies/SportsMaster conflict]] ==


==Transportation==
I absolutely agree with you that GoHuskies has been calm and rational throughout, while SportsMaster has been inflammatory and occasionally assumed bad faith. Also, as you noted, I have checked GoHuskies contribs and, except for a couple of complete foul-ups in regards to overzealous deletionism (see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eskimo kissing]] -- I believe this was done in good faith, but it was also completely ridiculous!), his contribs seem mostly constructive and reasonable.
[[New Jersey Transit]] bus service is available to [[Newark, New Jersey|Newark]] on the [[39 (New Jersey bus)|39]] and [[76 (New Jersey bus)|76]] routes.<ref>[http://www.njtransit.com/sf_tp_rc_hudson.shtml Hudson County Bus/rail Connections], [[New Jersey Transit]]. Accessed [[July 3]], [[2007]].</ref>


The closest airport in New Jersey with scheduled passenger service is [[Newark Liberty International Airport]], located 4.8 miles away in [[Newark, New Jersey|Newark]] / [[Elizabeth, New Jersey|Elizabeth]]. [[New York City]]'s [[LaGuardia Airport]] is 20.9 miles away in [[Flushing, Queens]] via the [[Lincoln Tunnel]].
So I'm tempted to give SportsMaster an AGF warning and leave it at that. Problem is, if I dig a little deeper into GH's contribs, a couple of troubling trends emerge. The success rate for AfDs started by him in the last six months is 50% (four keeps, three merges, and one delete -- and one of the merges was his second nomination in a few months of one of the keeps!) and it looks like [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homer E. Woodling|another two keeps are on the way]]. Most of the keeps were at least reasonable to nominate for deletion, but I still don't like to see a success rate that low for AfD nominating.


==Notable residents==
GH's very recent contribs are almost ''exclusively'' AfDs or stub-tagging for articles SportsMaster has created or worked on. In these cases, he's mostly right. But that doesn't diminish the appearance of stalking.
Notable current and former residents of East Newark include:
*[[Davey Brown]] (1898-1970), professional soccer player inducted into the [[National Soccer Hall of Fame]] in 1951.<ref>[http://www.soccerhall.org/famers/davey_brown.htm Davey Brown], [[National Soccer Hall of Fame]]. Accessed [[October 13]], [[2007]].</ref>
*[[Cornelius Augustine McGlennon]] (1878-1931), represented {{ushr|New Jersey|8}} from 1919 to 1921, and was Mayor of East Newark from 1907 to 1919.<ref>[http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=M000450 Cornelius Augustine McGlennon], ''[[Biographical Directory of the United States Congress]]''. Accessed [[October 2]], [[2007]].</ref>


==References==
GH hasn't done anything that I find clearly sanctionable, and he has maintained a civil and rational tone throughout. However, I really really think the project would be better off if he would just not nominate SportsMaster-created articles for deletion. I don't think it's worth creating this much [[WP:DRAMA|drama]] for a handful of AfDs that only have a 50% chance of succeeding... :/
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==External links==
What do you think? --[[User:Jaysweet|Jaysweet]] ([[User talk:Jaysweet|talk]]) 20:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.boroughofeastnewark.com/ Borough of East Newark Official Website]
*[http://www.eastnewarkschool.org/ East Newark Public School]
*{{NJReportCard|17|1200|0|East Newark Public School}}
*[http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/school_list.asp?Search=1&DistrictID=3404200 Data for the East Newark Public School], [[National Center for Education Statistics]]
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:My opinion is that the pattern of GH "following" Sportmaster around probably emerged sometime after the first few AfDs that happened to be SM's created articles - I can see how SM would have gotten GH's attention, and thus GH would start paying more attention specifically to those articles. I've certainly done that before - I've seen a few cases where a couple articles appeared on [[:CAT:CSD]] that were both created by the same user, and I'd then go look at that user's contribs to see if they'd created more problematic articles beyond the ones that had already been reported. That's not really wikistalking - it's seeing a legitimate pattern and following up on it.
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:I would consider it wikistalking if GH were to follow Sportsmaster around to other articles that SM happened to contribute to that weren't inherently related to the AfDs. For example, if SM started commenting on [[Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] and GH suddenly showed up there with his own comments or arguments, I'd consider that suspicious. But I'm guessing that it's more likely GH was specifically looking at SM's contribs after nominating the first two or three AfDs, since he may see SM as a "problem editor".
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:That said, I think you're right that SM could use an AGF warning (if he's still going on about this after my comment in the WQA). I'd also advise GH to cool it for now and let other editors nominate those articles if they feel the articles need nomination. His behavior does appear too focused on SM - he really probably does have much better ways to spend his time, so I'd just tell him that. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 22:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
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::Initially, I had exactly the same thought about the "following" -- I mean, when I see an editor make the same mistake twice, I ask myself, "Did they maybe make this mistake ten times?" and check their contribs. But this has been going on for a couple of weeks now, and it looks like ''yet another'' of the SM-related articles GH nominated is heading towards a Keep (it's a little early, but see [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pioneer_Conference]], which is actually a centralized AfD discussion for a whole pile of articles that GH tagged).
::The problem is that I have suggested to GH multiple times exactly what you suggest -- that he "refocus his editorial ambitions" elsewhere for the "benefit of the project", and in the event that he spots an SM-created article that he really feels strongly about, get a 3rd party to nominate it for him. He so far hasn't agreed to that compromise. While GH is being abundantly civil, he is also being somewhat tendentious and has displayed over-aggressive deletionist tendencies, which have been disproportionately directed at SportsMaster -- so I don't feel good about telling SM to just toughen up and send him on his merry way. At the same time, GH hasn't done anything that I feel is sanctionable, at least not yet.
::I suppose I will point out to him his very low success rate with AfD nominations and ask that he lay off it for awhile..
::Thanks for being a sounding board! --[[User:Jaysweet|Jaysweet]] ([[User talk:Jaysweet|talk]]) 14:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Thanks for responding to my posting on the Wikiquette board. I've taken your advice to me to heart and have decided to lay off the editing of the article for awhile pending some input from other editors, regardless of what [[User:Sanitycult]] decides to do. [[User:Sanitycult]] has requested an RfC, so I think your intervention is having positive results. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 10:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Excellent. That's what I was hoping would happen. Glad to be of service! :) &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 17:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

==Re: [[user:24.23.112.130]]==
Hi... looks like this user just doesn't get it, and continues to add POV to articles, despite multiple warnings (not just by me) over several months. Could you please look into it? [[User:Zephyrad|Zephyrad]] ([[User talk:Zephyrad|talk]]) 02:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dude ==

Yo dude look what I gotta reply to you [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Stuff_for_my_homework_.28everyone_please_help_out.29 here][[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 23:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:Leave me the messages you want but I meant what I said, and your just one of them. Check out my [[Template: Anti-WPVG|tribute]] to the Wikiproject, maybe you might wanna add it to your userpage. Ha I crack myself up. Dont mess with me for a couple of days so that I dont completely go beserk.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 00:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::Ha and also, you wanna talk lets start like this. You cant fool me. I knew your intenions. And you know what, if you actualy listened to yourself talking, me and you have similar issues. The project wrongly accuses people of things, and yet people like you kinda confuse me. You act crazy kind of mad and then act legit when your called out. The project is stuck up, I meant what I said. It is stuck way up the butt. And if someone is offended...GOOD. Sadly is was meant to call people out and to offend. Lets continue our disccusion on my talk page.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 00:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Never said you were un-civil. But you get on me about nothing! Im treated like some a-- hole. Im sad right now, kinda feeling hurt. I almost retired a couple of seconds ago. But now...I'll never be an admin. And I feel this hate for you and some other user and the WPVG because you ruined my ambition. I say that you should be more opening and welcoming to users. Any more problems...talk to me on my talkpage.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 00:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== And yet...thanks but no thanks ==

You know...sometimes I wonder...what would wikipedia be like if we had a tad but more fun. But of course that would just kill some people The first thing that would go through there head is {OMG! Wikipedia...a fun place...I gone). So yeah thats my take. +No one but [[User: Red Thunder|s]][[User: Metros|o]][[User:Guyinblack 25|m]][[User:SRX|e]] people think Im always doing good things.

But then others see me as some young dude...making naive edits and messages, and bein dumb. And that really hurts. And if you never thought about it...Wikipedia could be improved. This wont ever look good on a RFA, so I crushed. And sometimes I wish I never figured out how to join Wikipedia. I've had asked for advice because of wikistress. So dude, '''PLEASE''' dont act ligit now cause I swear I could go beserk on you.

Wikipedia scares me sometimes and I sometimes like a few minutes ago I wanted to quit. But some people just burn me up and piss me off. Please, I am kindly asking you...PLEASE dot send anymore messages...my reputation has already been screwed and you'll only make it worse. So good buy for hopefully and kindly forever.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 00:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:Again, suit yourself. Though I am troubled by your "I could go berserk on you" comment - that sounds very close to a threat of violence, and I will take that absolutely seriously if I see it in ''any'' form.
:Unless you choose to reply to my last comments on your User talk page, I will not send you any more for the time being. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 00:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::Okay thankyou and I really mean thankyou. But when you say something like I'm about to beat you up, now think about that for a sec. I a 12 year old...what do you think i'm gonna do to you so please chill on that...but dont be suprised if you see me open up some subpages crtisicing the project. Good bye(I'll mention you in anger management, my doctor says you some thing in my past or something like that.) Good bye.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 01:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:::(shrug) A threat's a threat. Doesn't matter who it comes from - it's actually more disturbing if it does come from a 12-year-old kid, because it's likely a sign that the kid has some serious issues that may point to him/her being a bigger threat in the future if he/she doesn't get some serious help. If you're really so troubled that you need ''anger management therapy'', you should probably be asking yourself if hanging out on Wikipedia is a good idea in the first place. :P
:::If you create subpages in the wikiproject itself just for the sake of criticizing the project, they will be speedily deleted. You can use any of the existing venues to voice your concerns just fine. If you create criticism subpages under your own user page, well... that's your choice. Personally, though, I'd rather see you devote some of that energy toward trying to improve things. Hence why I told you to calm down - once you do, hopefully you can find better ways to spend your time than just retaliating against everyone who disagrees with you. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 01:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::::First the anger managment...a joke...dude. Wow...yeah.

Second, I was not threatning you, you would know if I was going to try to hurt you. Man you sound like an parent of a kid from my frekin school. I am not some sycho so dont talk to me that way. PLEEEEAAAASE!

Next, the essay/criticm will not only give my criticm but it will also give advice for surviving the thing. Next, I will never appologized for anything I dont think I've done rong which means, I dont feel sorry for cursing you out(dont add another Vand-1 to my talkpage). I may rejoin but you know it can get dicouraging. So I '''WILL''' fight and maybe curse out anyone who treats me in '''my''' eyes wrong. So dude, I wanted to maybe get along with you somehwere in all this but hey...it's not happening.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 01:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:Like I said, you can do what you want. But if you're seen as being out of line, you will be blocked. Again, I believe in treating everyone equally, and you are no exception. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 01:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yup, being taped down to the ground for sticking up for what you think is right...good old wikipedia.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 01:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Boy, you just don't get it, do you? You're acting like you have some God-given right to act any way you want, and in your own words, you WILL curse out anyone you personally think treated you wrong. Y'know what? That's not how the real world works, dude. It's not just Wikipedia - you try pulling that on ANY Internet-based service with an Acceptable Use Policy, and you'll be banned from it in two seconds flat. And don't get me started on what people might feel inclined to do with you if you try pulling that in real life. In comparison, we've all been quite lenient with you in this regard.
:::The point I've been trying to get through to you is that there are CONSTRUCTIVE and CIVIL ways to stand up for what you think is right, WITHOUT resorting to name-calling, incivility, personal attacks, temper tantrums and other immature behavior. While you're on Wikipedia, you're expected to abide by its policies - this is NOT optional. That doesn't mean you can't speak your mind, but when you step over that line of treating people like crap because they disagree with you, that's what'll get you thrown out.
:::I honestly don't know if you're just saying stuff like that to get under my skin or if you genuinely do plan to act the way you described, but trust me, I find it annoying as hell. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 02:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

::::This is about to get handle right now. Sadly as a 12 year old i will be taken as some one who might not know about the real world. And you know what, HOW DARE '''YOU''' dare talk about god given rights. Dude, you a god frekin admin. You know you got power, and I wont let you think I'm going to win any fight because of that right.

Sadly(again)i DONT CARE about what you think. I '''KNOW''' whats right for me. And you know what. I'm 12 and frekin proud. Dont you '''EVER''' think because your adult you can tell me about real life. You have no right. And whose we all. Are you saying I've been acting crazy and doing bad stuff and your all being liniate. And I know you know you shouldn't block me. Because you know what happens to editors go bad. And I dont want to be a vandalizer. I love wikipedia. But i wont have some users try to talk none sense talk to me. You think your being treated like crap! PLEASE!!! I only acted in good faith until now which pissed me off. You are something special you know that...something thats killing me and making me madder and madder. And like I said if I was truley trying to hurt or treat some one like doo...you would know. As hellish as this convo is...I speak me mind and you speak yours which apparently, we are starting to hate each other. And thats not good. But so be it. And sadly I may not curse when I think I right(or at least not all the time), but I'll fight like a freking soldier. Dude.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 02:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)'''(P.S. I wtaching your talk page too)'''

:Try doing that with a police officer sometime, kid. Let me know how it goes. :) &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 03:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::Lol, i'd love to.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 11:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Against all odds in VG talk ==

In place of [[:Image:Buddy christ.jpg|this]], which I cannot put onto talk pages due to non-fair use image policies, I place the following...
{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="top" | [[Image:Civility barnstar.png]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''Civility Award'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For daring to point out rules where others fear to tread. For being amenable to participate in something against the rules, but yet asking others to keep the rules in mind. Lastly, for remaining civil in a tense situation and taking consideration for others to move the situation to your own space to resolve. [[User:Jappalang|Jappalang]] ([[User talk:Jappalang|talk]]) 00:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
|}


Keep your chin up! [[User:Jappalang|Jappalang]] ([[User talk:Jappalang|talk]]) 00:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 00:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::Chin up mate... Seeing your "rules don't apply to some"-ish comments at WT:VG reminded me of your RfA. And I wouldn't have nominated you if I didn't completely agree with you. Jappalang, [[:Image:Buddy christ.jpg]] is... AWESOME! :D ''[[user:giggy|giggy]]'' <sub>([[user talk:giggy|:O]])</sub> 08:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Your own personal apology dude ==

Hey Kiefer, i have had a long day at school and the only thing I thought about was our argument. I was totaly wrong to curse at you the way I did. While I was thinking over my actions, I realized that when I was cursing you, I was cursing those others on Wikipedia of treated me wrong. And that is unfair to you. And for that too, I apologize.

I also appologize if i got under your skin. I can be stuborn, and I will fight for what I think is right. I did not mean to get your engines flaring either.

Next, I appologize for my childest behavior. It was totaly wrong, i am sorry.
I also appologize for the fact that I almost made you curse. I am very sorry.

I did not wright this to make you look at me better, but to be friends.

So...

Friends?[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 20:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:Thank you. I appreciate that. As I said, I think you're a good editor overall - you just let the events of yesterday get to you a little too personally. I accept your apology, and I appreciate knowing that you are willing to think things over. I also apologize for goading you a bit in the discussion yesterday - I probably could have handled my end of it a little better too.

:Another editor mentioned to me privately that you might want to work closely with one or two of the other VGProj regulars for a sort of "mentorship", to basically learn the ropes in terms of general editing and working on the more social aspects of the project. I don't think I'd be a good person for that since I don't have a lot of regular time to devote to WP, but any of the other regulars would be a good person to work with. How does that sound? &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 20:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

::Cool. I would love to have you teach me about how to work with the project. That would be awesome since my [[User: Red Thunder|mentor]] is not experinced with the WPVG. Talk to him about maybe having a partnership with helping me be a better editor. I still have dreams of becoming a admin so I will have to work twice as hard now.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 20:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I'll have [[User:Krator]] talk to him about it, since like I said, I'm not sure I'll really have the time or resources to mentor you myself (and I'm not sure I'd be the best candidate anyway, though I'll be happy to provide coaching and guidance when and where I can). Krator was the one who talked to me earlier about this, so I'll ask him to help.
:::As for adminship: I don't think you really have to work "extra hard" - just keep your nose clean and you'll do fine. :) Like I said, I had a big blowup here a while back too, and yet I became an admin with relatively little opposition, so it's definitely possible to become one. People aren't as concerned about a couple of incidents here or there - in fact, having an incident like this can help you along, if you can show that you've learned from past mistakes and are able to keep them from happening again. (Also, remember that nobody's perfect - even the most experienced administrators and bureaucrats sometimes blow up at people for no apparent reason. It just happens sometimes - what's important is how you deal with it and how you work with other people in general.)

:::Lemme tell you a quick story about myself: When I was new to Wikipedia (and also when VGProj was younger and not as well-defined), the article on [[Star Fox Command]] was quite detailed and had a lot of what many of us considered to be good information on all the characters, ships and branching plotlines in the game. I had done a lot of work to build a nice table that explained each of the ships, who used them, what their special abilities and weapons were like, etc.. So as you can imagine, I was pretty upset when someone came along and deleted all of that, condensing those sections down to a couple of sentences like "Each character flies his/her own ship, each with its unique weapons and abilities." This same sort of thing happened across many other articles I was helping out with, and at the time I didn't fully understand the community [[WP:CON|consensus]] concept that well. I accused Wikipedia as a whole of "video game sterilization", and I was pretty mad about it.

:::Some time later, I discovered the VGProj and started reading into it a bit more, and I realized that people WERE upholding consensus, and I was going counter to it. People were quite helpful in explaining why the articles were being "sterilized" (as I put it), and what information should be moved to a gaming-specific wiki. That's when I started to see it their way, and I found it was much more rewarding to work toward those ends, once I understood why the policies and guidelines were there.

:::Yet, as time has gone on, I've also helped to change or clarify some of those guidelines. (No policies yet, but I can claim to have helped with the VGProj guidelines.) Some of those changes were just accepted as I put them in, others required quite a bit of discussion. And a few of them have ended up in fairly heated debates. But the difference now is that I'm helping work toward an overall community consensus rather than just my own ends, and that's making a big difference not only to the project, but to myself as well.

:::I kinda see a similar path going on for you. Please don't take any of this as a criticism of your age, as I don't mean it as any sort of insult. But you are new to the project, and as such, you don't have the level of experience that many of the other editors in the project do. It's very common for new people to come by with lots of great suggestions and requests, and to start feeling discouraged when the more experienced folks kinda go "Been there, done that", and we do see a number of people leave the project because they feel it's not in line with their personal goals and beliefs. It's only after one has worked with the project for a while that most editors find a good middle ground, and also learn how to introduce their ideas in a way that gets people really discussing the impact of those ideas on existing policies and guidelines.

:::My advice is to stick around, work with the project, and don't feel too discouraged if a new article gets deleted or a suggestion gets shot down. Realize that it's not because the editor you're talking to dislikes you or your ideas - it's much more often because we've already discussed it before and the current consensus may be against that idea. And if it's something you believe should change, be ready to discuss it and for that discussion to take some time - nobody can get results overnight in a situation like that. :)

:::I really hope this helps. Again, not trying to be at all critical of you as a person. I just want to help you understand a bit more about how the group has been working, so that you'll understand we really don't mean anything personally here. :) Lemme know if you have any questions.

:::I just gotta ask you for one favor: Please trust me to not be critical of you as a person, okay? If I say you're doing something wrong, I'm addressing a specific behavior, and I'll try to do it in a constructive way, including letting you know how you could improve on it (not just pointing out how it's wrong). &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 21:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

::::Deal, I agree to that favor. I only want to make friends while I edit, so thankyou you've really helped me and please comment on my Editors Review thanks.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 21:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==In regards to Totophi==
I am going to make my comments here to avoid further conflict with Totophi. Although I appriciate your role as a mediator and what you are trying to do, I can not agree with your assessment that the sock puppet allegations were made in haste. I am still convinced that Totophi is the anonymous IP addresses and I would still like to check his IP address to confirm this. But even if this is not the case, it is apparent that the anon. I.P.'s are sock puppets for one another which does vallidate my report, even if Totophi is not implicated. Also, I do think there should be a consequence for Totophi's use of personal attacks; even if it is just a 24 hour editing block. I do not feel like I am being unreasonable in that request, as it may prevent him from such behavior in the future. I am not saying that I myself am a saint in this matter but I did not violate any WP policies which Totophi did. [[User:Nrswanson|Nrswanson]] ([[User talk:Nrswanson|talk]]) 01:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:I came here to support the second half of Nrswanson's statement: Totophi requires an incivility block. Please see my comment at [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Totophi]]. [[User:Shalom Yechiel|Yechiel]] ([[User talk:Shalom Yechiel|Shalom]]) 03:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

::I understand both of your points, but I disagree that a block is required. I shall warn Totophi of the nature of his/her comments and let him know that if he/she continues to use that sort of language toward other editors, it will result in a block. But I did see a response from Totophi in [[Talk:C (musical note)]] that indicated he was willing to discuss the matter more calmly, so I'll take that as a sign that this may have been just an aberration. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 05:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I do not agree that Totophi has made any serious attempt at calming down or working constructively. His last comment was full of sarcasm (entire second paragraph). He has made no apology for personal attacks and has said my accusations of sock puppetry deserved no response since they were "obviously frivolous". It is apparent that he sees nothing wrong with uncivil behavior and, since the sock puppetry case has now been proven, it shows deliberate deceit with the intention of doing harm. I believe a block in this case is warranted.[[User:Nrswanson|Nrswanson]] ([[User talk:Nrswanson|talk]]) 04:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

== No. ==

No. [[User:Mother Niggle|Mother Niggle]] ([[User talk:Mother Niggle|talk]]) 15:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

:No what? &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 18:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

::On his talk oage, you told him to be polite to other users and he replied no.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 18:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I know. :) I want to see what his rationale is for saying "no" to my warning that he should [[assume good faith]]. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 18:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

:::: hey man, that's not cool, at least use the talk back thingy ma bob so I know when you replied [[User:Mother Niggle|Mother Niggle]] ([[User talk:Mother Niggle|talk]]) 16:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

What does: :P mean?[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 18:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

:That's a smiley sticking out its tongue. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 18:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

== Help please ==

Can I request that the IP of this account not be able to edit wikipedia? I'm not the only one who uses this IP, but am the only one who uses this account, and my cousin likes to vandalise wikipedia. [[User:Ghost109|Ghost109]] ([[User talk:Ghost109|talk]]) 16:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Simple English Wikipedia ==

Whoa, this project is way different from Wikipedia. I'm not sure of how stable it is. It could deffinetly use some work. Man, they need some serious help over there. Maybe we should get a group a Wikipedians to help out over there for a few months, they really need it.[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="red">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]] 16:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

== Cliché Online ==

Hello there. Just a general thanks for helping in dealing with Cliché, but I'd just like to point out the mistake you made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cliché_Online&diff=220161163&oldid=220095486 here], I wasn't actually the one who called Cliché a "hypocritical fanboy", that was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Haze_%28video_game%29&diff=219914332&oldid=219910815 SeanMooney], I like to pride myself on never, ever personally attacking someone =) Much Thanks! [[User:Falcon9x5|Fin]][[Special:Contributions/Falcon9x5|©]][[User talk:Falcon9x5|™]] 10:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
:fuck you bastard. consider this your last warning. "''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Clich%C3%A9_Online&oldid=220161163 being a dick?]''" who do you think to talk like this on my talk page you piece of shit? next time you do that i'll unscrew your head and shit into your neck. and your gay friend falcon9x5/fin is an asshole too. [[User:Cliché Online|Cliché Online]] ([[User talk:Cliché Online|talk]]) 13:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think you'll have to worry about anyone reversing the block... if he doesn't shape up after the block, I'd say blocking him for a couple of months would be in order... we don't need more badmouthing disruptors. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 15:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I believe this user is evading his block under the IP [[Special:Contributions/209.169.244.29|209.169.244.29]]. The IPs edits are inline with the user's [[modus operandi]]. [[User:Jappalang|Jappalang]] ([[User talk:Jappalang|talk]]) 03:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
: Thank you for the suggestion. I went over the procedures there, and it seems that it should not be reported as the IP is not active after the last edit. After thinking through again, I have reconsidered and believe it might be coincidence that the IP and this user edited the article with the same purpose (though it is curious seeing how their efforts in the short spell is like a "tagteam" effort). [[User:Jappalang|Jappalang]] ([[User talk:Jappalang|talk]]) 02:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks!==

No bothers, thanks for all your help! =) [[User:Falcon9x5|Fin]][[Special:Contributions/Falcon9x5|©]][[User talk:Falcon9x5|™]] 10:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Where are you? ==

Can you please revisit [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Yorkshirian]]. I'm not happy with this user and the lack of action. <small>--<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">[[User:Jza84|<b>Jza84</b>]] | [[User_talk: Jza84|<font style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;">&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 19:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

:Sorry, I was a little abrupt with you there on reflection! Yes I was mad, but I'm cooler now. This situation is just so frustrating - there's no reason for this gentleman to be so hostile with me. Particularly when the feeling isn't mutual and he's aware he's been at RfC. Anyway... thanks for your return, and sorry again. <small>--<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">[[User:Jza84|<b>Jza84</b>]] | [[User_talk: Jza84|<font style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;">&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 20:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
===All very grave===
This is all very grave. I wouldn't call it a dispute...merely a difference of opinion. = ) Was such a step necessary? --[[User:Cameron|Cameron]][[User Talk:Cameron|*]] 20:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:The fact is, Yorkshirian's edits are disruptive and violate several policies, and even after he agreed to tone it down, he's still doing it. I find that very disturbing, and at this point it seems appropriate to get other admins involved. ArbCom is the final rung on the [[WP:DR]] ladder, and they have some actual power to enforce decisions. The worst that'll happen is that they'll decline to hear the case. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 20:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
::I know, I know. I'm sure any decisions will be for the best in the end. --[[User:Cameron|Cameron]][[User Talk:Cameron|*]] 20:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Okay, I can understand if you dont want to be friends anymore. I've lost many "friends" today, just one more.''[[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]]'' 03:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:When did I ever say I no longer wanted to be friends? One thing you'll learn (the hard way if necessary) is that friends are straight-up and honest with one another. If anyone's going to call off a friendship (or a good working relationship, as I'd prefer to think of it), it'll be you, and it'll be your loss. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 03:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
::Kool, i didnt want to loose your friendship.''[[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]]'' 18:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Essay ==

Thanks for the feedback, and fell free to add that part to the actual essay under a new section, it sounds great fir something like "arguments that maturity is the reason" or something of the sort. [[User:Red Thunder|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="Red">'''Red'''</font>]][[User talk:Red Thunder|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.1" color="black">'''Thunder'''</font>]] 16:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

== here you go.. ==

{| style="border: 1px solid #999999; background-color: #FFFFFF}; width:100%;"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Socratic Barnstar.gif|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em; color:#9D741A; font-family:Comic Sans MS, Arial, Helvetica;" | '''The Socratic Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I stumbled across your essay/discussion on Wikipedia talk:Age and Adminship. Well expressed, thought out and very, very logical :). Here's a little something as a token of appreciation. [[User:Ironholds|<b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b>]][[User talk:Ironholds|<b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b>]] 19:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
|}

Thank you. :) It's something I've been thinking about and mentally putting together for a while, and RedThunder's essay WIP gave me the perfect excuse to write it out. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 19:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian]]==
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian|here]]. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Evidence]]. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Workshop]].

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, <span style="background:#E0FFFF;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">[[User:Nishkid64|Nishkid64]] </span><sub>([[User talk:Nishkid64|Make articles, not wikidrama]])</sub> 19:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== My editor coaching ==

I have replied to qustion you left at my Editor Coaching.''[[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]]'' 22:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

== Award ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Random_Acts_of_Kindness_Barnstar.png|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | You always do kind things to me. Yiu always make sure that I keep my head on straight and tell me what I've done wrong even when I can't reconize. You help alot with my Editor Coaching, and to top it off, you remain my friend no matter how ignorant I get. Thanks. ''[[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Gears'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Gears of War|<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">'''Of War'''</font>]]'' 11:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
|}

Thank you, and thank you for being willing to listen to me. Like I said, you can do well - you just need to get to a point where you're able to do more of this on your own without us watching over you. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 15:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

==Yorkshirian==
Hi, as you are looking after an arbitration case I just thought that I would let you know there is also an edit war that is going on between Yorkshirian and [[User:Benkenobi18|Benkenobi18]] over the naming of Roman Catholic Diocese articles in UK e.g [[Roman Catholic Diocese of Leeds]]. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 11:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== The Big Mess ==

Hey Kiefer - long time no talk.

I think part of the problem is that there isn't any central authority on Wikipedia, given that Jimbo's essentially absent. I'm not sure how much you involve yourself in policy issues, but it can't have escaped your notice that policy development is essentially impossible, since the consensus system hasn't scaled. I think the most telling evidence of this is that, after some people held up flagged revisions as being the solution to many of our problems for months, we still haven't implemented them because there's been no consensus as to the best way to do so. There's an aversion to bureaucracy here as everywhere, but bureaucracy is precisely what this place needs: more clarity on who has what powers and how those powers are to be exercised. That's not going to address all the problems - not by any stretch of the imagination - but I've come to the conclusion that it's both the biggest current problem with Wikipedia and the greatest threat to Wikipedia's continued viability.

Personally, I'm a hobbyist editor. I like building articles, so I do a fair bit of that. When I'm in the mood, I'll do some administrative work - generally either deletion stuff or AN and ANI monitoring. But everything I do is because I want to do it, and not because the project needs somebody to do it (an exception is that when I'm specifically approached with an admin-related or dispute-related request, I'll usually fulfill it). Whatever you want to say about my attitude, I think it's the one calculated to maximize my longevity here. [[User:Sarcasticidealist|Sarcasticidealist]] ([[User talk:Sarcasticidealist|talk]]) 20:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think your take is a good one. I find myself thinking of [[Animal Farm]] - the classic story about socialism and how some are "more equal" than others, etc. WP is kinda in that boat, IMO - without any real central leadership, the site is degenerating into a big repeat of history, in which only the people who yell the loudest have any real sway. The fact is, even as an administrator, I have no real power here. Nobody does, aside from the people who run the servers (and as you mentioned, they're essentially absent).

:The problem is, at the very moment Jimbo decides to form a real power structure here, the site will lose its status as "the free encyclopedia anyone can edit", and will become just another hierarchical site in which people are "allowed" to contribute, but everything is overseen by a governing power. That power can, of course, be corrupted, and there will be too much room for people to accuse the power of controlling the information being put up here. So appointing a central leadership is likely to not be the answer either.

:Ever get the sense that this is one of life's unsolvable problems? It says a lot about human nature, methinks, and I'm just losing my will to keep fighting it. If nothing else, I think I need a wikibreak. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 21:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

::I'm all in favour of the imposition of some kind of governing authority (I ran for the WMF Board of Trustees on that platform). I don't think Jimbo has the effective authority to do it anymore (I tried to start a page to establish exactly what the extent of his authority is and where it comes from - see [[WP:JIMBO]]), which makes me think that the call will have to come from the Foundation, whose authority to intervene is unquestionable. But once that central leadership is imposed from without, it needs to be perpetuated and elected from within - I'm personally of the view that representative democracy is more truly democratic than direct democracy or the sort of anarchic democracy we enjoy here (though of course [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is neither a democracy nor an anarchy]]), so I think individual contributors would be better off in a system with a central authority responsible for clear and uniformly-enforced (hopefully!) policy than they are now. Any intervention by the Board would cause an immediate exodus of retiring contributors, for sure, leaving essays about how Wikipedia has changed and is no longer the wonderful project they started contributing to years ago. But Wikipedia's changing whether these editors like it or not, and the mistake is in thinking that Wikipedia's governance model can remain static through this change. Besides, there already is an exodus of retiring contributors, it's just not centred around a single event - I think [[User:Doc glasgow|Doc glasgow's exit statement]] captures the problems that are costing us good contributors right now.

::As for you, maybe a Wikibreak would be a good idea. I haven't yet felt the need for one, but I suspect that the day will come. If you'd rather not take one, though, what I've done before is thought back to what initially made me love spending time here, and spend time doing that rather than the WQA stuff and whatnot. It's worked wonders for me, but I suppose we're all different. [[User:Sarcasticidealist|Sarcasticidealist]] ([[User talk:Sarcasticidealist|talk]]) 21:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
::There's definetly something wrong with things in the past, oh, year and a half, ever since the general shift from "add info" to "your info/non-free stuff sucks". Yeah of course cleaning things up is a good thing, but the main problem is some people go too to the extremes while still following the letter of the rules -- as isolated incidents they don't seem bad at all, but pile after pile drives people away because their work is destroyed in the name of making things better, instead of trying to show why this is bad (not to mention editors who make thousands of edits souly removing links, etc, in the name of copyright paranoia, when often there's nothing at all wrong with said links...and similar such things). What I find most interesting is that just about the time the big cullings started to happen was when all the smaller fanwikis started, but people would still rather just delete info instead of move it.
::It doesn't help, though, when people go and try to get admin help on clear issues and don't get it. I won't go into details since this isn't about me, but a recent issue has had me grumbling (two reports on spam with one on ANI in between). I think the biggest problem is simple -- WP has gotten so big with so many people who have a different view of what they want out of it, that people keep conflicting. I mean, with 12 year olds who want to be admins because they think it'll make them more important (and cry foul when older people don't let them be), people who are uncivil toward good faith additions -- while at the same time are clearly wrong in the face of stated policies, and people who revert huge amounts of well sourced edits because they happened to be referenced from a product only sold online...well there's a reason why I don't post as much as I could or even revert as much vadalism as I see. [[User:Melodia|♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫]] ([[User talk:Melodia|talk]]) 22:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Frustrating discussions ==

I know it can be frustrating to deal with Wikipedians who either ignore policy or rest heavily on essays. But don't let these people get to you. Engage with the people who are being objective and fair-minded. You'd be surprised how much more progress you'll make when you ignore bad arguments, instead of trying to demolish them. You'll also find yourself less frustrated. And if you do find yourself getting frustrated, just take a break. Wikipedia is not on a deadline. We'll improve it gradually. Cheers, [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 04:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian]] ==

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. As a consequence of editor conduct and attempts to use Wikipedia as a battleground, {{user|Yorkshirian}} is banned from Wikipedia for a period of one year. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 10:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
==WikiProject Articles needing copy edit (tentative name)==
Hello there!

I have begun laying the groundwork for a new WikiProject that has a very simple goal, '''to improve Wikipedia by dealing with [[CAT:COPY|the articles tagged for copy edit]]''', and I am wondering if you are interested in helping me start it. This project is not a clone of [[WP:LOCE]] because we will not deal with requests for review (that is currently handled by our good friends over at [[WP:PR|Peer Review]]).

I expect that this will be a relaxed, happy and casual WikiProject, because participants will be able to take things at their own pace and use the project page to ask other participants for help. The project proposal is [[WP:COUNCIL/P#Wikiproject Articles Needing Copy Edit|here]], and I have created an almost-functional project page in my userspace [[User:Samuel Tan/Wikiproject Articles Needing Copy Edit|here]].

There are now over 4000 articles needing copy edit, and very, very few people working on them, so any help, however small, is appreciated. If you are interested, please sign up at [[WP:COUNCIL/P#Wikiproject Articles Needing Copy Edit|the proposal page]]. Once we have enough people, I will shift the project page, along with its subpages from my userspace into the Wikipedia namespace. For now we can use [[User talk:Samuel Tan#WikiProject Articles Needing Copy Edit|this section of my talk page]] to discuss the direction and details of the project, and, of course, its name. *grin*

Cheers!-'''[[User:Samuel Tan|<span style="color:#EE4400">Samuel</span>]] [[User talk:Samuel Tan|<span style="color:#0000DD">''Tan''</span>]]''' 12:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Metroid Prime 3 ==
I noticed you just recently took the hidden messages out of Prime 3's article and moved them to the edit page. I just wanted to ask you to make one minor change while you're at it: could you get rid of the December 31 line for Japan's release date? Back in 07 when nobody knew the JP release date and various secondary sources were throwing up 12-31-2007 willy nilly, this was valid, but the game's been out in Japan for six months now, and all major sites have since fixed the date. So the line is pretty pointless now, and safe to remove. Thanks! [[User:Arrowned|Arrowned]] ([[User talk:Arrowned|talk]]) 23:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:Sure, I'll take that off. I wasn't sure if that still applied or not - thanks for clarifying. :) &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 23:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

==Energy Source==
Could I get a better idea from you as to why you felt speedy deletion was warranted? I note you say "attack page intented to disparage its subject. using TW" . What does that mean exactly?

Thank yo for your consideration,
chenevert

[[User:Chenevert|Chenevert]] ([[User talk:Chenevert|talk]]) 19:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:I used that particular criterion in my speedy-delete because the page appeared to be full of propaganda against the indicated company. The page was [[WP:NPOV|entirely one-sided]] and did not appear to contain the sort of context that we'd expect from even a stub-class encyclopedia article - instead, it appeared to be entirely about pointing out claims of fraud against the company. The large number of sources and citations to promote this point of view followed the format of political-extremist promotions, so in my view, it was close enough to being an attack page to warrant speedy deletion under that criterion. You may request a [[WP:DRV|Deletion Review]] if you feel this was an incorrect action to take.

:Please note that I am not defending the company in question. I'm simply following the guidelines given in [[WP:CSD]]. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 19:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Can't say I understand your point of view, as I am a shareholder in the company in question, and no attack on the company was intended, rather it an outline of fraudulent activities against the company and the search for justice. Our shares have been held hostage by the DTC for three years now. What they are doing constitutes an illegal act. I wish to publically document the case, which I see as no different then the Enron article. This is my first article, so I shouldn't be surpised it didn't go smoothly....

Thanks again,

chenevert
[[User:Chenevert|Chenevert]] ([[User talk:Chenevert|talk]]) 19:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:Be careful in creating articles to "publicly document" things such as fraud. While I don't doubt that fraudulent activity may have occurred, the article needs to be carefully written to adhere to a neutral point of view. The Enron article accomplishes this by balancing coverage of its fraudulent activity with more neutral information about the company itself. Please read [[WP:NPOV]] and the related pages linked from it. This will give you a better idea than I can describe here as to what we're looking for. As that page states, this doesn't mean that an article on [[Adolf Hitler]] should try to make him look like an ordinary businessman, but it shouldn't look like an opinion piece either. [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not]] a soapbox, a place for furthering agendas of any sort, etc.

:That said, if you can address these points, you are welcome to recreate the article. Please don't be overly discouraged by having your first article deleted - this is not a statement against you or your editing abilities. It's only meant to keep Wikipedia clean. :)

:Check out [[Wikipedia:Writing your first article]] for more information. Hope that helps! &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 19:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Enter The Gold Hat: Sexy Karate Live! ==

Could I get a better idea from you as to why you felt speedy deletion was warranted? This page did little but provide a track listing for the album. I find it hard to believe this constitutes a copyright violation of the MTV page you referenced. A page I had never seen I will point out, before you provided the link. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jph6t|Jph6t]] ([[User talk:Jph6t|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jph6t|contribs]]) 19:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I didn't provide the original rationale - I only performed the deletion. I believe the original copyvio rationale was provided because the track listing was basically the only content on the page, and it matched what was on the MTV page. I feel the listing would have been speedy-deleted anyway, either as "Little or no context (CSD A1)", "No content (CSD A3)" or "Unremarkable band (CSD A7)" - there was basically no information there to tell us anything more than just what songs were on the CD, and this goes against the guideline that [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not a directory]]. Hope this helps. &mdash; '''[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]]''' ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) &mdash; 20:04, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I don't know that I'm really satisfied with the rationale for deletion. But I don't have the energy or time to fight it. Guess this is the last time I take my time to contribute to wiki. Was just trying to help.

Revision as of 23:26, 13 October 2008

East Newark, New Jersey
Borough
Map highlighting East Newark within Hudson County. Inset: Location of Hudson County highlighted in the State of New Jersey.
Map highlighting East Newark within Hudson County. Inset: Location of Hudson County highlighted in the State of New Jersey.
Census Bureau map of East Newark, New Jersey
Census Bureau map of East Newark, New Jersey
CountryUnited States
StateNew Jersey
CountyHudson
IncorporatedJuly 3, 1895
Government
[1]
 • TypeBorough (New Jersey)
 • MayorJoseph R. Smith
Area
 • Total0.1 sq mi (0.3 km2)
 • Land0.1 sq mi (0.3 km2)
 • Water0.0 sq mi (0.0 km2)
Elevation
[2]
13 ft (4 m)
Population
 (2006)[3]
 • Total2,217
 • Density23,330.0/sq mi (9,007.7/km2)
Time zoneUTC-5 (Eastern (EST))
 • Summer (DST)UTC-4 (EDT)
ZIP code
07029
Area code973
FIPS code34-19360Template:GR[4]
GNIS feature ID0885199Template:GR
Websitehttp://www.boroughofeastnewark.com

East Newark is a borough in Hudson County, New Jersey, United States. As of the United States 2000 Census, the borough population was 2,377.

The Borough of East Newark was established on July 3, 1895, from portions of Kearny lying between the Erie Railroad and Harrison, based on the results of a referendum held the previous day.[5][6][7]

Geography

East Newark is located at 40°44′60″N 74°9′40″W / 40.75000°N 74.16111°W / 40.75000; -74.16111 Coordinates: latitude seconds >= 60
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According to the United States Census Bureau, the borough has a total area of 0.1 square miles (0.3 km²), of which, 0.1 square miles (0.3 km²) of it is land and 0.04 square miles (0.1 km²) of it (16.67%) is water.

Demographics

Historical population
CensusPop.Note%±
19002,500—
19103,16326.5%
19203,057−3.4%
19302,686−12.1%
19402,273−15.4%
19502,173−4.4%
19601,872−13.9%
19701,9222.7%
19801,9230.1%
19902,15712.2%
20002,37710.2%
2006 (est.)2,217[3]
Population 1930 - 1990.[8]

As of the censusTemplate:GR of 2000, there were 2,377 people, 767 households, and 605 families residing in the borough. The population density was 23,330.0 people per square mile (9,177.6/km²). There were 799 housing units at an average density of 7,842.1/sq mi (3,085.0/km²). The racial makeup of the borough was 67.02% White, 1.68% African American, 0.50% Native American, 2.52% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 20.99% from other races, and 7.24% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 47.54% of the population.

As of the 2000 census, 10.1% of East Newark's residents identified themselves as being of Peruvian American ancestry. This was the highest percentage of Peruvian American people in any place in the United States.[9] In the same census, 6.2% of East Newark's residents identified themselves as being of Brazilian American ancestry. This was the highest percentage of Brazilian American people in any place in the United States.[10] As of the 2000 census, 7.67% of East Newark's residents identified themselves as being of Ecuadorian ancestry, which was the highest of any municipality in New Jersey and the third highest percentage of Ecuadorian people in any place in the United States with 1,000 or more residents identifying their ancestry.[11]

There were 767 households out of which 41.9% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 55.0% were married couples living together, 16.0% had a female householder with no husband present, and 21.1% were non-families. 16.0% of all households were made up of individuals and 5.9% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 3.10 and the average family size was 3.40.

In the borough the population was spread out with 25.9% under the age of 18, 10.9% from 18 to 24, 36.7% from 25 to 44, 18.8% from 45 to 64, and 7.6% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 32 years. For every 100 females there were 103.9 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 104.5 males.

The median income for a household in the borough was $44,352, and the median income for a family was $46,375. Males had a median income of $31,875 versus $24,231 for females. The per capita income for the borough was $16,415. About 11.3% of families and 12.6% of the population were below the poverty line, including 17.7% of those under age 18 and 8.6% of those age 65 or over.

Government

Local government

East Newark is governed under the Borough form of New Jersey municipal government. The government consists of a Mayor and a Borough Council comprising six council members, with all positions elected at large. A Mayor is elected directly by the voters to a four-year term of office. The Borough Council consists of six members elected to serve three-year terms on a staggered basis, with two seats coming up for election each year.[1]

The Mayor of East Newark is Joseph R. Smith. Members of the East Newark Borough Council are Council President Charles F. Tighe, Hans Peter Lucas, Yamara Salas, Edward V. Serafin, Jose Silva and Jeanne Zincavage.[12]

Mayor Smith is a member of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition,[13] a bi-partisan group with a stated goal of "making the public safer by getting illegal guns off the streets." The Coalition is co-chaired by Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Federal, state and county representation

East Newark is in the Thirteenth Congressional District and is part of New Jersey's 32nd Legislative District.[14]

New Jersey's 13th congressional district is represented by Albio Sires (D, West New York). New Jersey is represented in the United States Senate by Democrats Cory Booker (Newark, term ends 2027)[15] and Bob Menendez (Englewood Cliffs, term ends 2025).[16][17]

For the 2024-2025 session, the 32nd legislative district of the New Jersey Legislature is represented in the State Senate by Raj Mukherji (D, Jersey City) and in the General Assembly by John Allen (D, Hoboken) and Jessica Ramirez (D, Jersey City).[18] Template:NJ Governor

Hudson County's County Executive is Thomas A. DeGise. The executive, together with the nine-member Board of Chosen Freeholders in a legislative role, administer all county business. East Newark is part of Freeholder District 9, which is represented by Albert Cifelli. District 9 also includes the Towns of Harrison and Kearny, and part of the Town of Secaucus.

Education

The East Newark School District serves students in pre-kindergarten through eighth grade at East Newark Public School. As of the 2005-06 school year, the school had an enrollment of 240 students.[19]

For grades 9-12, public school students attend Harrison High School in Harrison, as part of a sending/receiving relationship with the Harrison Public Schools.

Transportation

New Jersey Transit bus service is available to Newark on the 39 and 76 routes.[20]

The closest airport in New Jersey with scheduled passenger service is Newark Liberty International Airport, located 4.8 miles away in Newark / Elizabeth. New York City's LaGuardia Airport is 20.9 miles away in Flushing, Queens via the Lincoln Tunnel.

Notable residents

Notable current and former residents of East Newark include:

References

  1. ^ a b 2005 New Jersey Legislative District Data Book, Rutgers University Edward J. Bloustein School of Planning and Public Policy, April 2005, p. 142.
  2. ^ U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Borough of East Newark, Geographic Names Information System. Accessed January 4, 2008.
  3. ^ a b Census data for East Newark borough, United States Census Bureau. Accessed October 2, 2007.
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