Talk:India national cricket team

Shouldn't we merge this page with Cricket in India as they do sort of overlap, jguk 2 July 2005 13:27 (UTC)

Definitely not. One should put the whole Indian game into context and the other should be a detailed history of the fortunes of the national team. These are clearly different topics. Calsicol 07:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Severe lack of info

Aside from the patchy writing and boring narrative (all good encyclopedia articles are narratives to an extent), this article also suffers from major lacunae. For instance, the major scandals surrounding match-fixing that affected and changed the team and some of its most storied players (Azaruddhin (spllng?) comes to mind) have been neglected. I, hopefully, leave this message for those who can fill in the gaps. --68.173.46.79 20:51, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

What about the women's team

this article talks about the men's team. what about the indian team comprising the opposite sex? Idleguy 09:12, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

• Indian women's cricket team -- ALoan (Talk) 10:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

• • A section has finally been added on the women's team on this page. Gizza^{Chat ©} 07:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Current Players

Do we really need to edit the current players every time there is a small addition in the team? This article gets modified every time someone is dropped temporarily or a new person is added but does not get chosen for the final 11. I think current players should only reflect the core of the team. E.g. right now, it would be Dravid, Pathan, Tendulkar, Dhoni, Harbhajan, Kumble. People who are more likely to be around in the next series.

Ongoing Effort

Records - Tests

All the other pages have them so India should get them too, just hope for a bit of help, feel free to fill in the empty gaps, use Cricinfo Records to help. Nobleeagle 09:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Done seems ready to go onto the page, feel free to add any significant records. Nobleeagle 04:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Team records

• Highest team total: 705-7 decl v Australia at Sydney (2003/04)
• Lowest team total: 42 v England at Lord's (1974)

Individual records

• Most matches: 131 by Kapil Dev and Sachin Tendulkar

Batting

• Most runs: 10430 by Sachin Tendulkar
• Best average: 58.26 by Rahul Dravid
• Highest individual score: 309 by Virender Sehwag v Pakistan at Multan (2003/04)
• Record partnership: 413 P Roy and MH Mankad v New Zealand at Chennai 1955/56 (1st wicket)
• Most centuries: 35 by Sachin Tendulkar

Bowling

• Most wickets: 504 by Anil Kumble
• Best average: 28.71 by Bishan Singh Bedi
• Best innings bowling: 10-74 by Anil Kumble Vs. Pakistan at Delhi (1998/99)
• Best match bowling: 16-136 by Narendra Hirwani v West Indies at Chennai (1987/88)
• Best career strike rate: 53.8 by Irfan Pathan
• Best economy rate: 1.67 by Bapu Nadkarni

Fielding

• Most dismissals: 198 (160 catches, 38 stumpings) by Syed Kirmani
• Most dismissals in an innings: 6 (5 catches, 1 stummping) by Syed Kirmani v New Zealand at Christchurch (1975/76).

Records - ODIs

Just need to do the same for ODIs and we can put them on the page. Nobleeagle 04:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Done and ready...Nobleeagle 23:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Team records

• Highest team total: 376-2 in 50 overs v New Zealand at Hyderabad (1999/00)
• Lowest team total: 54-10 in 26.3 overs v Sri Lanka at Sharjah (2000/01)

Individual records

• Most matches: Sachin Tendulkar 362

Batting

• Most runs: 14146 Sachin Tendulkar
• Best average: 53.95 Mahendra Dhoni
• Highest individual score: 186* Sachin Tendulkar vs. New Zealand at Hyderabad (1999/00)
• Record partnership: 331 Rahul Dravid & Sachin Tendulkar for the 2nd wicket s. New Zealand at Hyderabad (1999/00)
• Most centuries: 39 Sachin Tendulkar

Bowling

• Most wickets: 326 Anil Kumble
• Best average: 25.21 Irfan Pathan
• Best innings bowling: 6/12 Anil Kumble v West Indies at Kolkata (1993/94)
• Best career strike rate: 30.5 Irfan Pathan
• Best career economy rate: 3.71 Kapil Dev

Fielding

• Most dismissals: 181 Rahul Dravid

Collaboration

Now that it's Indian Collaboration of the Week. I think the first step is to upgrade it at least to the levels set by the West Indian cricket team, English cricket team and Australian cricket team. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

In terms of structure, the West Indies cricket team is the best to follow. The other two mainly focus on history, whereas West Indies contains many good sections. Also is it really necessary to have a list of the Indian winning XI at the 1983 World Cup. It looks a bit strange. Gizza^{Chat ©} 07:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

It does, a link to the scorecard on cricinfo should suffice. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

The article on West Indian cricket team once went through an FAC process but was rejected because most of it dealt with history alone. The History of the West Indian cricket team was then created by moving most of these contents. Some of the comments there would be useful for us. A comment given in the FAC was to model the article on Arsenal F.C. which deals with everything about the Arsenal.

Currently there is also an article about cricket in India. We can also look at improving the two and starting an additional History of the Indian cricket team article simultaneoulsly. For instance, a section about the crowds/supporters and the influence of the media may be better suited for the Indian cricket team article while one about the money in the game may go to cricket in India. Tintin (talk) 07:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep, Arsenal looks good as a model. Also noticed that New England Patriots were on the Main Page today. Another example as to how we should structure the article? Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that on Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Sport_and_games, Arsenal, New England Patriots and Manchester F.C. are the only sport team articles that are FA. I think the best way to approach this article is to take out all the good stuff from each of the three sport team FAs and merge it into this. Gizza^{Chat ©} 08:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Copyediting

When playing one-day cricket, the Indian cricket team have always worn a light blue shirt and pants.

Couple of issues with that line. 'Always' isn't correct because coloured clothing became universally accepted only in the last ten years or so. Atleast in the 1992 world cup, India wore dark blue (though they had used light blue in the WSC earlier in the season). Can't find a pic because I don't know what to look for, but it finds a mention here. There have also been shades like the one used in the 'desert storm' innings which are not the conventional light blue. Tintin (talk) 10:08, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Changed --Gizza^{Chat ©} 06:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Current Squad list

I know, I know, I'm supposed to be on a Wikibreak but I can't help myself. I voted for this article to be INCOTW & should also be responsible for improving it. The list is taken from the West Indies team page & I have reduced a few columns (the ones of domestic team, tour matches etc). But the effect nevertheless is good (according to me). Anyway if anyone could add a few more columns it would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 18:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Famous Players

I have added this section as I saw it in the West Indian cricket team page which I take as a precedent for this article. Now this section can be inflated to a large size considering many people have different opinions about who should & shouldn't be mentioned in this section. Even my judgement in selection can & most probably will be questioned. I have only tried to add the players who have been the most notable. Still if anyone has any players to add (or remove) please do so with some care as this can spark conflicts between users. Still this section is particularly helpful to point ot the great Indian players of the past & present. Feedback will be appreciated.

Thanks

Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 19:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed the Notable cricketers section (I don't know how I missed it. I must be going blind!). Anyway its pretty similar to the famous players section I have created. But I feel both should be kept as one gives detail about the players & the other gives concise info about the players through the decades. Still I think the sections need to be merged somehow. Any ideas?

Thanks Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 01:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, Notable Indian Cricketers should be somehow merged with the general history section, with all the names into the Famous Cricketers list. Nobleeagle (Talk) 09:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Records

Do you reckon we could move them to Indian cricket team records and just write a couple of paragraphs here. It doesn't give the page a good look in my opinion to have all these headings and subheadings all under records (especially when some subheadings contain no more than a sentence). Nobleeagle (Talk) 08:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, it does take too much space. I believe that it should be moved closer to the bottom as well. Gizza^{Chat ©} 09:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)