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== '''Welcome!''' ==


The '''Kelana Jaya Line''' (coloured [[pink]] on the [[Kuala Lumpur]] transit map) is one of the two light rail transit lines in the [[Public transport in Kuala Lumpur#Rail|Kuala Lumpur Rail Transit System]] operated by [[RapidKL Rail]] network. The other rail network is the [[Ampang Line]].
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The Kelana Jaya Line was formerly known as '''PUTRA Line LRT''' system or simply '''PUTRA LRT''' ("PUTRA" stood for ''Projek Usahasama Transit Ringan Automatik Sdn Bhd'', the company which developed and operated it).


==History==
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The first operation of Kelana Jaya Line commenced on [[September 1]], [[1998]] between Subang Depot to [[Pasar Seni LRT station|Pasar Seni]] and phase two, between [[Pasar Seni LRT station|Pasar Seni]] to [[Terminal Putra LRT station|Terminal Putra]] in June 1999.
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In 2002, the system carried its 150 millionth passenger, with an average of 160,000 passengers riding the system daily at that time<ref>[http://www.putralrt.com.my/rapidbus_kljlrt.htm Kelana Jaya Line (Formerly known as PUTRA Line)]</ref>. Today, it carries over 190,000 passengers a day and over 350,000 a day during national events. <ref>[http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1094372/rapidkl_puts_marketing_retail_space_on_fast_lane/index.html RapidKL Puts Marketing Retail Space on Fast Lane]</ref>
You can find information on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy|project page]] about the WikiProject, as well as how to join and how to indicate that you are a member of the project. Additionally, you may be interested in helping out with our [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy/COTM|collaboration of the month]]. I hope you'll consider joining and thank you for your contributions thus far! &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>A.S. Damick</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 17:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


===Chronology===
: Addendum: I was never angry with you. I've looked in on the stuff you've asked me to and decided in those cases that I didn't want to get involved. A guy's gotta have priorities. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>A.S. Damick</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 20:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
*[[15 February]] [[1994]] - Projek Usahasama Transit Ringan Automatik (Putra LRT) was incorporated.
*[[1 September]] [[1998]] - Section 1 from [[Subang Depot]] to [[Pasar Seni LRT station|Pasar Seni]] commenced operation.
*[[1 June]] [[1999]] - Entire Putra LRT system opened as Section 2 from [[Pasar Seni LRT station|Pasar Seni]] to [[Terminal PUTRA LRT station|Terminal PUTRA]] commenced operation. The new section included Malaysia's first underground railway.
*[[1 September]] [[2002]] - Putra LRT comes under management of [[Syarikat Prasarana Negara]] and renamed ''Putraline'' under the first phase of the restructuring of Kuala Lumpur's public transport system. SPNB also takes over [[Star LRT]] and is renamed ''Starline''.
*November 2004 - Operational aspects of the two LRT systems is transferred to the newly-formed, government-owned [[Rapid KL]] under the second phase of the restructuring process. Ownership of their assets remain with SPNB.
*July 2005 - Name changed from Putraline to Kelana Jaya Line. Signage to be changed by 2006.
*[[24 July]] [[2006]] - Failure of the back-up computer to kick-in caused the system to stop functioning during the evening rush hour. Passengers were trapped in trains and some had to force open doors to get out.
*[[29 August]] [[2006]] - Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak announces that this line will be extended from Lembah Subang to Subang Jaya and USJ.
*[[6 October]] [[2006]] - A "technical problem" caused a train to stall along the tracks between Dato Keramat and Damai stations at 7am, causing a shut-down of the Masjid Jamek-Terminal PUTRA stretch of the line. Normal service restored at 5pm.
*[[13 October]] [[2006]] - Syarikat Prasarana Negara signed an agreement with Bombardier-Hartasuma Consortium (BHC)for the purchase of 22 four-car train sets for the Kelana Jaya Line with an option to purchase an additional 13 train sets for RM1.2 billion. Trains to be delivered in 2008.
*[[12 December]] [[2006]] - An accident occurred during a peak hour as a train was approaching [[Pasar Seni LRT station]]. The train stopped abruptly as if it hit something. No casualties occurred.
*[[8 October]] [[2007]] - Syarikat Prasarana Negara purchased an additional 13 Advanced Rapid Transit (ART) MK II train sets (52 cars) for [[Euro|€]]71 million for the Kelana Jaya Line. Delivery of the train sets is expected to be in 2010.<ref>[http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=1_0&lang=en&file=/en/1_0/pressrelease.jsp%3Fgroup%3D1_0%26lan%3Den%26action%3Dview%26id%3D7744%26sCateg%3D1_0 Bombardier Press release on 71 Million Euro Order by SPNB]</ref>


== Re: Hello ==
== The system ==
=== Line and stations ===


[[Image:Kelana Jaya Line KLCC.jpg|thumb|300px|[[KLCC LRT station|KLCC station]] is one of only five underground stations along the Kelana Jaya Line. Underground Kelana Jaya Line stations have [[platform screen doors]] installed for safety reasons.]]
Thanks for the additions! [[User:Yodaat|Yodaat]] 20:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Kuala Lumpur Sentral station (Kelana Jaya Line), Kuala Lumpur.jpg|thumb|300px|right|The Kelana Jaya Line station in [[Kuala Lumpur Sentral]].]]
[[Image:University station (Kelana Jaya Line) (exterior) (night), Kuala Lumpur.jpg|thumb|300px|right|The [[Universiti LRT station|Universiti station]] at night. It is one of the elevated stations in the system.]]


The Kelana Jaya Line consists of a single line from [[Kelana Jaya]] to [[Gombak]] that primarily serves the [[Petaling Jaya]] region to the south; southwest and central [[Kuala Lumpur]], and Kuala Lumpur City Centre to the centre; and various low density residential areas further north in Kuala Lumpur. At 29 km in length, this line is the third longest fully-automated driverless [[Rapid transit|metro]] system in the world, after the [[SkyTrain (Vancouver)|SkyTrain]] in [[Greater Vancouver Regional District|Greater Vancouver]], [[Canada]] (49.5 km) and the [[Lille Metro|Lille Metro VAL]] in [[Lille]], [[France]] (32 km).
:Started the article. Got to do more research, but not this late at night. :)


Kelana Jaya Line's stations are given in a north-south direction, consists primarily of elevated stops and a handful of underground and at-grade stations. Of a total of 24 stations, 16 are elevated, and 5 stops between [[Pasar Seni LRT station|Pasar Seni]] and [[Ampang Park LRT station (Malaysia)|Ampang Park]] are underground. The only at-grade station, [[Sri Rampai LRT station|Sri Rampai]], is currently incomplete and closed since a construction project it is supposed to serve has been halted. The Sri Rampai station is the only station in the line to be out of service.
:Thanks for the compliment. :) [[User:Yodaat|Yodaat]] 02:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


The stations, like those of the Ampang Line, are styled in several types of architectural designs. Elevated stations, in most parts, were constructed in four major styles with distinctive roof designs for specific portions of the line. The [[Kuala Lumpur Sentral|KL Sentral station]], added later, features a design more consistent with the Stesen Sentral station building. Underground stations, however, tend to feature unique concourse layout and [[vestibule]]s, and feature floor-to-ceiling [[platform screen doors]] to prevent platform-to-track intrusions. 13 stations (including two terminal stations and the five subway stations) utillise a single [[island platform]], while 11 others utilize two [[side platform]]s. Stations with island platforms allow easy interchange between north-bound and south-bound trains without requiring one to walk down/up to the concourse level.
Gee, thanks for the barnstar! The article looks great. Still don't get the controversy part, though. [[User:Yodaat|Yodaat]] 01:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


Kelana Jaya Line stations were built to support [[disability|disabled]] passengers, featuring [[elevator]]s and [[wheelchair lift]]s alongside [[escalator]]s and [[stairway]]s between various levels of the stations. The stations in this line were also designed to have platform gaps smaller than 5 cm to allow easy access for the disabled and wheelchair users. They are able to achieve this with:
==What do you believe you've said?==
* Tracks that are non-ballasted, lessening rail and train movements.
You linked to a section of the [[Talk:Plotinus|Plotinus talk page]] as if you think you said something there relating to the current discussion. I think it may help if I understand what you meant to say in this comment: ''Plotinus compares the divine mind to the sun. The connection is of great importants because there is a connection. You are really doing the whole point and destinction of Plato and Christianity to gnosis, a giant and great disservice. Especially intellectual contemplation as most definitely defined by Plato and Plotinus. To see the play or view the life. This is very disrespectful to what the Hellenic and Bzyantine nous is all about. This is the point of all this fanagling (hint: Dean Inge). The previous poster and you by proxy are completely misrepresenting what is important to the understanding of Neoplatonism and Plato's ontology.'' Several aspects of this puzzle me. First, of course, the part about me and "the previous poster" looks like a bitter conspiracy theory. Second, I don't know what distinction you refer to. It sounds like you mean to say that 'the gnostics' had no interest in intellectual contemplation. But you've offered no evidence of that bizarre implication -- unless you count the quotes from Armstrong saying that supposedly the gnostics in question didn't think salvation required intellectual work (''are saved not by their own efforts but by some dramatic and arbitrary divine proceeding''), and that bit [[Death and resurrection of Jesus|applies at least as well to Christians]]. It sometimes seems like you believe that because Plato (accepting the Neoplatonist interpretation for the sake of argument) used the metaphor of the Demiurge to mean Nous, nobody else could use it to mean anything else, and therefore the Gnostics must hate nous. But that seems self-evidently crazy; obviously the Gnostics didn't mind breaking with tradition and could use the metaphor to mean anything they liked. I've said before that in my view some of those calling the "demiurge" evil probably meant to attack [http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2003/10/left_behind_is_.html biblical literalism], since in a literal reading of the Bible, God commands genocide ([http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut%2020%20&version=49; Deut 20]:16-18) and generally acts like a jealous madman. Finally, I can't find a reading of the comment that addresses anything I said, in any discussion. The edits you wanted to make don't even mention contemplation or henosis, as far as I can see, whereas other parts of the [[Plotinus]] article do (although perhaps not enough). Indeed, I added more on the subject after our earlier discussion. (You responded by accusing me recently of wanting to remove it.) So what did you want to say in the comment I quote here? [[User:Dan|Dan]] 06:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
* Trains that have direct rubber suspension, lessening train body movements.
* Trains that do not rapidly run through stations.
* Stations that have straight platforms.


The stations are currently the only rapid transit stations in the Klang Valley<!--Emphasis on a metro-like system, not airport links like the KLIA Transit which has very few stations in long distances--> designed to provide a degree of accessibility for handicapped users.
:Dan one, ontology connotes sequence, sequence is a chain of events (as a matter of speaking). It can not be ontology if the "chain" is broken at any link (of the links that are defined within a dialectical argument). Because even in emanation one proceeds ''from'' something. As for "bitter conspiracy theory" well between the disinformation campaign on Constantine I and the Da Vince code one would expect conspiracy theory to quote familiar to your perspective, it is a tool that is used. But I was endorsing no such of a thing and your interpretation as such is at best very hard to see. Since the nous and or the demiurge are part of Plotinus' ontology of being. You remove them, you break the chain, no conspiracy in that. As for your interpretation and the gnostic well Plotinus has his too and that was what was being discussed. As for gnostics and contemplation. Well a very Western way of saying this ([[Voegelin]]) would be that gnosis is to not to be contemplated. Gnosis comes from contemplation. Gnosis can not come from Gnosis.<br>
:Anymore then you reading about a swimmer would then impart to you the ability to swim (if say you approached the need to learn to swim as such). As for the gnostics misrepresenting Plato and Plotinus there is a degree of this that crosses into disrespect and actually engaging in destructive behaviour. This was Plotinus' point not mine. Specifically the attack on the creator and turning people against their creator. As well as creation and creativity. Since the [[pedagogic]] component of existence (demiurge/nous as facilitator of existence) then also too becomes vilified. Since gnosis by gnostics is not really then. Because what is there to learn from experience if one can read everything? Or what is there to learn from life if it is evil but evil? AKA gnosis is experience knowledge, if the experience is evil then what is knowledge?
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] 15:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


Kelana Jaya Line stations also feature a limited number of [[Closed-circuit television|closed-circuit security cameras]] for security purposes.
Here is the best way to state it I think Mr Dan..
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'''"We ought at all times to wait for the enlightenment that comes from above before we speak with a faith energized by love; for the illumination which will enable us to speak. For there is nothing so destitute as a mind philosophising about God, when it is without Him'."''' Of "[[gnosis|Spiritual Knowledge]]" Discourse number 7 Philokalia volume 1 pg 254 — St [[Diadochos of Photiki]]
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==Continued==
I hope you find peace and God in your life Dan, and not evil and [[dejection]]. I mean you no harm.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] 18:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:That's all well and good, but you still haven't addressed the bizarre Armstrong footnotes issue. Now would be a good time. Also, I don't understand "expect conspiracy theory to quote familiar to your perspective". I hope you find peace with Cthulhu. [[User:Dan|Dan]] ([[User talk:Dan|talk]]) 06:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
If it is all well good then why do you keep asking? Talk about conflicting messages. I as well as DGG answered that the footnotes are there to answer previous conflicts and they are not copyright violations and you should not have removed then. As for your peace- Rather then wishing you peace with a devil instead I say "Now would be a good time for you to move on". Also if you wish to address this further you can contact DGG and or ask for a WP intervention. Since you return good faith with sarcasm good luck with that.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 13:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, I wondered what you thought happened. DGG's remarks seem more ambiguous now that I look at them again, but like everyone else who's spoken on the subject the admin you brought in said this: "though I the quotes technically come within fair use, they're stretching it, unless it was absolutely necessary to explain the subject. It is not the style of WP to have material such as that, and when it appears, I usually start thinking of WP:POINT or SOAPBOX." [[User:Dan|Dan]] ([[User talk:Dan|talk]]) 16:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Then DGG did nothing. This is because the quotes are in there as posted to address the fact that people like to edit the article without having read sources and without providing sources. People like remove things they don't like without justification and then claim that what is in print is not what is in print. Again if your version of Armstrongs Enneads says something different then post it. But my opinion and your opinion does not matter in contrast to WP policy and [[A. H. Armstrong]]. If you make an edit it should be sourced. If something is sourced and the source is deemed valid then contribution should not be removed. If people wish to argue over what the source states they should in the very least know the source. They should also have read the source and or valid sources before editing the article. If they had then they would know that what they are doing is not according to WP policy. My opinion and Dan's opinion do not validate the opinion of a scholar like say A. H. Armstrong. Nor is wikipedia the place for use to call A. H. Armstrong's work into question. Go read scholary sources and post what they stated. If you Dan have connection to the Neoplatonic community and can post an objection from that community about Armstrong please add it to the article. Please do not take sourced information from the article.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 17:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
==[[Suetonius]]==
''De Vita Caesarum'', [http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/L/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Claudius*.html Vita Divi Claudius] 25.4. ''Iudaeos impulsore Chresto assidue tumultuantis Roma expulit.'' [Claudius] expelled Jews who, due to an instigator, Chrestus, were continually disruptive. [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 16:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
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I guess I don't see much future to a discussion where one person ''starts'' by calling the person he's addressing "crazy" and "lunatic".
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[[User:RandomCritic|RandomCritic]] ([[User talk:RandomCritic|talk]]) 17:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry, but I was referring to the theory. Sorry you again did not read. Also sorry you could not continue the appropriate conversation on the actual talkpage.
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[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey#top|talk]]) 17:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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==Father Nestor of Odessa==
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Thanks for asking, but, sorry, I don't have anything extra on this subject. It does sound like a worthwhile project, though. I'll try to lend a hand if you need some help. [[User:Turgidson|Turgidson]] ([[User talk:Turgidson|talk]]) 15:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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:LoveMonkey: I have the same article you linked to in printed form. Sorry, but that's the only info on Father Nestor I've ever come across. [[User:MishaPan|MishaPan]] ([[User talk:MishaPan|talk]]) 16:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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== [[Thelema]] ==
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Would you mind keeping an eye on this article. [[User:Dan|Dan]] seems intent on reforming in according to his own POV. [[Special:Contributions/87.90.155.217|87.90.155.217]] ([[User talk:87.90.155.217|talk]]) 04:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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| bgcolor="#CCFFCC"|Featuring [[drift]] every Sunday at 6 PM.
yicks.
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[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey#top|talk]]) 13:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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== Sentence fragment ==
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"Leading to an argument that the human reality of Christ was diminished as the human will of Christ was not of [[freewill]]."
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What is the subject of this sentence?
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Argument. Is.
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[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey#top|talk]]) 18:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
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--[[User:Richardshusr|Richard]] ([[User talk:Richardshusr|talk]]) 08:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hello LoveMonkey! I replied [[User_talk:Frjohnwhiteford#Help|here]]. [[User:Frjohnwhiteford|Frjohnwhiteford]] ([[User talk:Frjohnwhiteford|talk]]) 12:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
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== relation between [[We (novel)]] and [[The Possessed (novel)]] ==
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Hi, I removed the "See also" links between [[We (novel)]] and [[The Possessed (novel)]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=We_%28novel%29&diff=prev&oldid=191253679][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Possessed_%28novel%29&diff=prev&oldid=191271849]
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Do you know of a [[WP:V|source]] that describes the relation between the two? [[We (novel)]] already cites Gregg regarding two other novels by Doestoevsky, so it seems likely that there would be such a source. --[[User:Jtir|Jtir]] ([[User talk:Jtir|talk]]) 22:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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:[Copied from [[User talk:Jtir]]] --[[User:Jtir|Jtir]] ([[User talk:Jtir|talk]]) 21:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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:The wiki policy on [[WP:ALSO]] as an editorial and or common sense judgement does not require that the links be sourced. You are edit warring it is disputive and unproductive please desist. Your removal serves no purpose and exceeds policy. If you would and can ask that an administrator look and see if the link topics are so far appart that they are unrelated. As such that is open for discussion not blanket removal and or deletion.
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:[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey|talk]]) 19:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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::Thanks for your comment and referral to the [[WP:ALSO]] [[WP:GUIDE|guideline]]. In my experience, the "See also" section grows "[[ad infinitum]]", because there are no clear guidelines for what should be in the section. So I rely on the WP [[WP:POLICY|policies]] requiring that content be [[WP:V|verifiable]] and not [[WP:OR|original research]]. Further, if an entry there can be justified, it would be better to [[See also|add it to the body of the article]], with a full explanation of the relation between the two topics. [[Talk:We (novel)]] would be a better place to continue any discussion of specifics. --[[User:Jtir|Jtir]] ([[User talk:Jtir#top|talk]]) 19:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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== dystopia ==
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I haved removed some of your entries from the [[Utopia]] article, as they would seem to better belong in the [[Dystopia]] article.
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That article, though, already links to two of your entries, and I placed two others under the more appropriate list as follows:
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Already in [[List of dystopian literature]]:
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:[[We (novel)|We]] (Russian: Мы) is a dystopian novel by [[Yevgeny Zamyatin]] completed in 1921. It heavily influenced Orwell's 1984 and [[Ayn Rand]]'s [[Anthem (novella)|Anthem]]. Along with [[Aldous Huxley]]'s [[Brave New World]] and indirectly [[Kurt Vonnegut]]'s [[Player Piano]].
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Already in [[List of dystopian music, TV programs, and games]]:
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:[[2112 (album)|2112]] Concept album about a future [[dystopia]] by music group [[Rush]].
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Placed in [[List of dystopian literature]]:
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Hope this was okay!
::--[[User:Wikiscient|Wikiscient]] ([[User talk:Wikiscient|talk]]) 08:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks for the barnstar==
I haven't read the book you mentioned, though, so I can't comment on how to incorporate it into the Dostoevsky article. [[User:J.R. Hercules|J.R. Hercules]] ([[User talk:J.R. Hercules|talk]]) 04:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hope all is well with you too :) [[User:Chaldean|Chaldean]] ([[User talk:Chaldean|talk]]) 15:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Free will ==

Hey there, just to let you know, doing stuff like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Free_will&diff=prev&oldid=196368448 this] is discouraged. Do that sort of thing again, and someone is going to invoke the [[wp:3R|3R rule.]]--[[User:Kerotan|<span style="color:#FF33FF;">Kerotan</span>]][[User Talk:Kerotan|<span style="color:#FF33FF;"><sup>Leave Me a Message</sup></span>]] Have a nice day :) 20:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Because I assumed that he knew.--[[User:Kerotan|<span style="color:#FF33FF;">Kerotan</span>]][[User Talk:Kerotan|<span style="color:#FF33FF;"><sup>Leave Me a Message</sup></span>]] Have a nice day :) 21:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::Also I left a polite notice rather than the standard 3R template, mainly because I don't want to start some good old fashioned E-drama and I believe that this dispute can be solved peacefully.--[[User:Kerotan|<span style="color:#FF33FF;">Kerotan</span>]][[User Talk:Kerotan|<span style="color:#FF33FF;"><sup>Leave Me a Message</sup></span>]] Have a nice day :) 21:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


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==[[Shlama]]==
It is always good to hear from you :) May God bless us all and forgive those who are lost in his path. Please let me know if you need any help on Wiki. [[User:Chaldean|Chaldean]] ([[User talk:Chaldean|talk]]) 02:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

: Hello there, fellow Chaldean Christian I am. Just saying hi![[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] ([[User talk:Tourskin|talk]]) 05:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

: I'm well. Its great to know an Eastern Orthodox Christian; we are all brothers in the same Catholic Orthodox Church established by the Apostles. [[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] ([[User talk:Tourskin|talk]]) 04:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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== [[Libertarianism (metaphysics)]], [[Notes from Underground]], and [[Black swan theory]] - huh? ==

I really don't see the reason for linking to [[black swan theory]] in either of those articles. That Taleb is Orthodox does not make it an "Orthodox theory of skepticism"; and the context of the "epistemic libertarian" quote makes it clear the analogy is to political libertarianism (contrast to bureaucracy). ~~ '''[[User:Nickptar|N]]''' ([[User talk:Nickptar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Nickptar|c]]) 01:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Christian denomination ==

Can you take a look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_denomination&curid=342411&diff=216198947&oldid=215682444 this diff] and help improve the text? Thanx.

--[[User:Richardshusr|Richard]] ([[User talk:Richardshusr|talk]]) 16:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

==If==
you want to translate any article in Greek i would be glad to help.--[[User:Ioannes Tzimiskes|Ioannes Tzimiskes]] ([[User talk:Ioannes Tzimiskes|talk]]) 19:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== are you bm? ==

Hi.
I know somebody called BigMonkey.
Is him and you the same person?
It will be quite a coincidence not to be you.[[User:Raffethefirst|Raffethefirst]] ([[User talk:Raffethefirst|talk]]) 18:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No. I am not a sockpuppet.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey#top|talk]]) 02:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
: He is a nice fellow. But I guess you are not him... best regards then.[[User:Raffethefirst|Raffethefirst]] ([[User talk:Raffethefirst|talk]]) 06:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Charles Hill ==

Hi. On the Gospel of John page, you seem to be a big proponent of Charles Hill. Do you think you could do a page on him? Do you think he warrants one? If he doesn't warrant a page, we should probably remove references to his scholarship as not notable. But if he's notable, he deserves a page. I have a project page for this topic: [[User:Leadwind/Charles Hill (theologian)]]. [[User:Leadwind|Leadwind]] ([[User talk:Leadwind|talk]]) 23:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Άυχαριστω άδελφε μου ==

I didn't know of this. It is a very helpful piece of concrete evidence. It seems to me that,

Christians can argue that Gospel accounts of Jesus predicting his death and deliberately helping it to happen are now even better explained as genuine reports of what he did actually say, than as retrospective made up stories.

However, non Christians can still argue that the actual resurrection was still made up.

The problem will always be, are people willing to admit that they themselves and all people have a "behaviour problem". Are they willing to accept the possibility of a supernatural explanation—if we don't respect a supernatural creator, why would we respect other people unless it suits us?

Unless this supernatural explanation is taken seriously, a supernatural solution—the resurrection—is irrelevant.

On the other hand, if people are willing to accept the possibility of a supernatural event like the resurrection, they can be open to accepting that event resolved a supernatural problem we weren't even clearly aware of.

Greeks never knew that the one true God loved them and was angry with them because they weren't looking hard enough for him, and because they treated one another without respect. When Paul then the Fathers taught them that this God had fixed the problem at his own expense (θανατω θανατος πατισας) and asked them to "come home" to him, little by little, more and more ''accepted this kindness'' (ζωη χαρισαμενος) with happy surprize!

The liturgy of the Greek Orthodox Church celebrates the story of the Creator's love for Greek people and their struggle to learn, accept and rejoice in this. It is a story starting with God's love, continuing with the love of wise Patriarchs, and fulfilled in the love of many happy, forgiven and repentant sinners.

As the Apostle of Love, who Jesus himself loved said, καὶ ταῦτα γράφομεν ἡμεῖς ἵνα ἡ χαρὰ ἡμῶν ᾖ πεπληρωμένη.

αδελφε μου, αληθως ανεστι<br>χαρις και ειρενε σοι.

[[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 05:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== Ehrman ==

LoveMonkey. So Ehrman's wrong about something, is he? Tough luck for him. That's what happens when you base your conclusions on evidence: new evidence comes along and proves you were wrong. Maybe Ehrman should have stuck with basing his conclusions on faith, and then he'd never have to be wrong. [[User:Leadwind|Leadwind]] ([[User talk:Leadwind|talk]]) 02:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ha, [[Randomness]] and faith are the same thing. Maybe it is said better that he should not speak in such absolutes that give his position one of a completeness that no human (individual or collective) could ever possess. Now if he was a real skeptic, a real [[pyrrhonism|Pyrrhonean]] he would not make such a mistake or "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." [[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]]

::"Maybe it is said better that he should not speak in such absolutes that give his position one of a completeness that no human (individual or collective) could ever possess." Oh, I totally agree with you there. If Ehrman is speaking in such absolutes that give his position one of a completeness that no human (individual or collective) could ever have, then he should stop. [[User:Leadwind|Leadwind]] ([[User talk:Leadwind|talk]]) 02:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== List of New Testament Church Fathers ==

I've started a brief outline of a new list of sources at [[List of New Testament Church Fathers]]. Greeks are very well represented. :) [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 10:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:You are very welcome, my brother, at your service always. God bless you. [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 12:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


The rolling stock of the Kelana Jaya Line, in use since the opening of the line in 1998, consists of a fleet of 35 Mark II [[Bombardier Advanced Rapid Transit]] (ART) trains<!--Some other source puts the number at 70. Have to find it again first to back up this claim--><ref>[http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/kuala_lumpur/index.html Railway Technology - Kuala Lumpur Driverless Metro System, Malaysia]</ref> with related equipment and services supplied by the [[Bombardier|Bombardier Group]]. The ART trains consist of two-[[electric multiple unit]]s, which serve as either a driving car or trailer car depending on its direction of travel. The trains utilise [[linear motor]]s and draw power from a [[third rail]] located at the side of the [[Rail profile|steel rails]]. The plating in between the running rails is used for accelerating and decelerating the train. The reaction plate is semi-magnetised, which pulls the train along as well as helps it to slow down.
::LoL :) Yes, a good man. We only have his commentary on Psalms, I think. He will be on the [[list of Church Fathers]] I expect. Mine is a shorter list of those who quoted the New Testament, ''and help us establish it's reliability''. ;) [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 12:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


The ART is essentially [[driverless]], automated to travel along lines and stop at designated stations for a limited amount of time. Nevertheless, [[manual override]] control panels are provided at each end of the trains for use in an event of an emergency.


The interior of the ART, like its Ampang Line counterparts, simply consists of plastic seating aligned sideways towards the sides of the train, with spacing for passengers on wheelchair, and spacing in the middle for standing occupants. Since its launch in 1998, the ART rolling stock has remained relatively unchanged; only more holding straps have been added and the labelling has been modified from Putra-LRT to RapidKL.
==Goethean==
Thanks, and I agree Goethean and some of the admins that have been covering for him have displayed atrocious behavior. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI|talk]]) 17:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


On [[October 13]], [[2006]], Syarikat Prasarana Negara signed an agreement with Bombardier Hartasuma Consortium for the purchase of 88 Mark II ART cars (22 train sets of 4-cars) with an option for another 13 for RM1.2 billion<ref>[http://www.prasarana.com.my/TheEdgeTamimi%5B131006%5D.html SPNB Homepage - SPNB in RM1.2b deal for 35 LRT trains]</ref>. The 22 train sets, to be delivered from August 2008 onwards, will have four cars each and will boost the carrying capacity of the fleet by 1,500 people. On [[October 8]], [[2007]], ''Syarikat Prasarana Negara'' purchase an additional 52 Mark II ART cars (13 train sets of 4-cars) for [[Euro|€]]71 million, expected to be delivered in 2010.
== Heresy ==


Although the trains were expected to arrive in August 2008, the delivery was delayed to November 2008 by the manufacturer. [[RapidKL]] expects the rail will only be usable by September 2009 after having sufficient rolling stocks, power line upgrades and safety testing.<ref>{{cite news| title=New trains for Kelana Jaya line will only be usable by Sept 2009| url= http://nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/Frontpage/20080904151446/Article/index_html| publisher=New Straits Times| date=2008-09-04}}</ref>
:Ah! Very interesting, that makes Christians heretics from the world community. :)
:In Protestantism, heresy is anything contrary to the Bible. ''[[Sola scriptura]]'' is a common phrase associated with staying clear of heresy. Protestants don't trust themselves to get things right! ;)


===Criticisms===
::I am very interested, thank you, brother. Rather than posting to my talk page though, perhaps you could email it to me?
{{Unreferenced|date=February 2007}}
::It is text, not a link? [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 13:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
*Technical failures
Due to the system being driverless and almost fully computerised, there have been numerous occasions when systems failure have led to services being severely affected and at worse the whole line being closed. For example, the 24 July 2006{{Fact|date=February 2007}} and 6 October 2006 incidents.{{Fact|date=February 2007}}


*Low capacity
:::I am a little busy in life atm, but I created a stub you might like--[[Sobornost_(journal)]]. :) [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 01:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Although the system has been built to accommodate more carriages, currently only two carriages make the standard configuration of the train sets. This is notable given that trains are often overcrowded and that the Kelana Jaya Line is the most heavily used rail transport system in the Klang Valley.


*Route alignment
The Kelana Jaya Line has been criticised{{Fact|date=February 2007}} for not being aligned to stop at key locations, although the system passes through many places of interest. For example, the rarely used [[Abdullah Hukum LRT station|Abdullah Hukum station]] at Jalan Bangsar is located close to the busy Mid Valley development, but is separated by a [[squatter]] settlement and the Klang River. Many have criticised the abilities of the planners, in choosing the alignment the route, and placing a station at Abdullah Hukum as opposed to having one at Mid Valley, as both the LRT and Mid Valley development were planned and constructed at the same period.{{Fact|date=February 2007}}


The Kelana Jaya Line at its western end terminates public services at [[Kelana Jaya]], although it extends a little further into Lembah Subang, near the [[Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport]] where maintenance facilities are located. This maintenance facility is known as the Subang Depot. Many {{who|date=August 2008}} have questioned why the line did not start in [[Subang Jaya]], a massive township just a few kilometres south of Lembah Subang.{{Fact|date=February 2007}}
==[[Papoulis]]==
Ufortunately not.I don't have any relation with this field.Keep up the good work though.--[[User:Ioannes Tzimiskes|Ioannes Tzimiskes]] ([[User talk:Ioannes Tzimiskes|talk]]) 06:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


*Physical integration
==gnosiology and epistemology==
Like every other mode of rail transport in Kuala Lumpur, physical integration between different lines is poor. Most notably is the Masjid Jamek interchange where the Kelana Jaya Line meets the Ampang Line. However, there are effective interchange at [[Kuala Lumpur Sentral|KL Sentral]] between separate modes of transport.
You removed the following edit which I made yesterday:
'The study of the nature of gnosis is [[Gnosiology]] sometimes contrasted with [[Epistemology]] which concerns representational knowledge unlike gnosis which is the unmediated knowledge of things as they are.' Please explain why you have removed this edit. Thanks. [[User:Langdell|Langdell]] ([[User talk:Langdell|talk]]) 19:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


==Extensions==
:Your input does not reflect the source I used for the article (and that you left to source your input after replacing mine with yours). Can you name a more current source that would supersede my source? Obviously one that is also Greek like mine (a Greek Professor from a Greek University) rather then say European and American. Forgive me but you seem to not know the meaning of the word [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ontic ontic] and νόησις/noesis (as in [[ontology]] in contrast to [[deontic]] and [[nominalism]]).
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[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey#top|talk]]) 01:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
On 29 August 2006, Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister [[Najib Tun Razak|Mohd Najib Abdul Razak]] announced that the western end of the Kelana Jaya Line would be extended to the suburbs of [[Bandar Sunway]], [[Subang Jaya]] and [[UEP Subang Jaya]] (USJ), which are located to the south-west of [[Kuala Lumpur]]. The extension will be part of a RM10 billion plan to expand [[Public transport in Kuala Lumpur|Kuala Lumpur's public transport network]].
:My input revolves around the fact that the sentence 'The Gnosiology of gnosis as in contrast to epistemology..' does not follow simple rules of grammar. That is why I edited it. This is an [[English language|English]] encyclopedia and sentence constructions within it follow normal rules of [[English grammar]]. If you wish to say something about gnosiology and gnosis in relation to epistemology you need to edit the current sentence as it does not make sense.


The expansion plan will also see the Ampang Line extended to the suburb of [[Puchong]] and the south-west of Kuala Lumpur The plan also involved the construction of an entirely new line, tentatively called the [[Kota Damansara-Cheras Line]], running from [[Kota Damansara]] in the western portion of the city, to [[Cheras, Kuala Lumpur|Cheras]] which lies to the south-east of Kuala Lumpur.
:Your attention should also be drawn to the fact that Wikipedia has a Neutral Point Of View policy. You appear to be the author of the sentence, 'The knowledge of these groups is contested as religio-philosophical in nature rather than revelatory'. An editor (correctly) modified your statement making it known to the reader that this is an opinion of Eastern Orthodox theology (Father Michael Pomazansky) a branch of dogmatic theology to which (according to your user page) you subscribe. There is nothing wrong with asserting such claims (because Eastern Orthodoxy has important things to say about gnosis) as long as their provenance is explicitly stated in the main body of the text. The current formulation of this sentence follows the long tradition of attempting to marginalise and devalue the status of the gnosis of the gnostics - a polemical device of the early fathers who wished to make it known that the gnosis of the gnostics was a 'false gnosis' (Irenaeus et al). The study of Gnosticism revived in the twentieth century with a view to disentangling the skein of polemic and propaganda to find out what the gnostic sects believed within their own terms and not with a view to diminishing their validity or authenticity as was the intention of at least some of the church fathers. You may as a Christian find the view abhorrent that the creator of this world is not a benevolent deity but an inferior demiurge just as you strenuously reject the view that Jesus was not God incarnate but a messenger, a vehicle or a channel of God as Muslims, enlightened Jews and other sectarians believe. All these are views which may or may not be true. Our job is to present views and arguments clearly, fairly, stating their origin and source and all this within a worldwide pluralist perspective. Best wishes.[[User:Langdell|Langdell]] ([[User talk:Langdell|talk]]) 20:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::What? What editor are you referring to -"An editor (correctly) modified your statement making it known to the reader that this is an opinion of Eastern Orthodox theology"? Since I removed an unsourced assumption you see [[John D. Turner]] is not an Eastern Orhodox theologian. What scholars of the East have set these criteria (where these events occurred and where the word orginates)? What does your response have to do with your original question and my response to it. This reads like your lecturing to me. Please dont lecture me. Please stay on point with your original question. Also provide a source for your above POV one that establishes it as the defacto academic standard for the English world, since it seems highly unlikely the word gnosis is used commonly in India and other Oriental/Asian cultures. As a concept ([[spiritual knowledge]]) it again is a loan word as such, dialection carries baggage. Nobody owns Greek but the Greeks. Since you are explicitly stating that "the gnostics" have an exclusive on the word gnosis. Which you are stating and exemplifying by giving them primacy (unsourced I might add) in their mention and treatment in the article so far. The gnostics being everything -for the most part -but Greek. I find your criteria abit "unacademic". Maybe it would be appropriate to start a spiritual knowledge article instead. Note though your sentence that I removed does not validately fit into the concept there either [http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-ontology/]. You have confused metaphysic/ontology for Gnosiology or the study of spiritual things.[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey#top|talk]]) 03:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Please don't vandalise my work. You have put a link to Eric Voegelin in a section that concerns Hans Jonas' description of ''gnosis''. It has nothing to do with Eric Voegelin. [[User:Langdell|Langdell]] ([[User talk:Langdell|talk]]) 21:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:Don't worry. Fortunately for me you are vandalising my work and not vice-versa. You are welcome to have a rational discussion about it if you wish and in fact I suggest you do because your emotions have gotten the better of your reason. The article is about the meaning of the word ''gnosis''. It is not about the relationship between Hans Jonas and Eric Voegelin. What has Eric Voegelin got to do with it? The link is out of place. It belongs somewhere else. If you disagree you are welcome to explain (something you haven't done yet). The fact that the two were associates is not an explanation. Before seeking the intervention of an administrator it is a requirement that you have to have attempted to engage in a rational discussion with the editor with whom you are in dispute with. Oh, and while I am here there is nothing in my editing that indicates that I believe the gnostics to 'have an exclusive' on the word gnosis. ''Gnosis'' has nothing to do with sectarianism, it is a common feature of all mysticism. But the typification of your Eastern Orthodox sources that Valentinus and Mani (or whichever 'gnostics' you wish to lump together) possessed only religio-philosophical knowledge rather than spiritual knowledge is clearly false as you would know if you were familiar with their teachings. As for your statement that 'Nobody owns Greek except the Greeks' is another distraction. English contains many Greek words and they are often used in quite a different way to how they are in Greek. English and French share many words identical in spelling but refer to different things altogether. The article is about ''gnosis'' as it is used in the English Language. Pick up your copy of the Philokalia and there you will find it defined at the back: Gnosis is translated as spiritual knowledge. Thankyou. [[User:Langdell|Langdell]] ([[User talk:Langdell|talk]]) 00:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
What shame you stated back to me my very point. As if you made it. You should create a spiritual knowledge article. Just like I stated. Also note spiritual knowledge just wont jive with your sentence that I removed in the first place. ''The study of the nature of gnosis is [[Gnosiology]] sometimes contrasted with [[Epistemology]] which concerns representational knowledge unlike '''gnosis which is the unmediated knowledge of things as they are'''.'' As for the English language its rules ''clearly'' dictate that it is better to use the translation then the original word. So again more motivation to create a spiritual knowledge article since in the Philokalia the term "spiritual knowledge" is used through out it not the word "gnosis". Have a nice day.
[[User:LoveMonkey|LoveMonkey]] ([[User talk:LoveMonkey#top|talk]]) 00:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


On [[June 15]], [[2008]], [[The Star (Malaysia)|The Star]], a local newspaper, revealed a 40km route that goes from Kota Damansara to Cheras. The alignment will run from Kota Damansara along Persiaran Surian to the [[Damansara-Puchong Expressway]] and then heading towards the city centre along the [[Sprint Expressway]], through Bangsar Baru and Jalan Bangsar. It will then run parallel to the existing Kelana Jaya Line to [[KL Sentral]], [[Pasar Seni LRT station|Pasar Seni]] and [[Masjid Jamek LRT station|Masjid Jamek]] before heading to the Golden Triangle along Jalan Raja Chulan. The route will then pass Pasar Rakyat in [[Bukit Bintang]] and then Jalan Tun Razak where it will join Jalan Cheras. It will continue along the road and the Cheras-Kajang Expressway to the Balakong interchange near Cheras Batu 11. Construction was expected to begin end of 2008 and ready by 2012.<ref>{{cite news| title=Kota Damasara-Cheras line right on track| url=http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/15/nation/21558681&sec=nation| Publisher=The Star| author=Leong Shen-Li| date=2008-06-15| accessdate|2008-06-15}}</ref>
== [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-10-03 Gnosis|Gnosis Mediation Cabal case]] ==


As of August 2008, the operator of the line, Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd , is running land and engineering study on the proposed extension. It is to believe that the construction will start once the study is complete.<ref>{{Cite news| title= Two extra LRT lines being studied| url= http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/8/21/nation/20080821121505&sec=nation| publisher=The Star| author= Sim Leoi Leoi| date=2008-08-21}}</reF>
Hi LoveMonkey, I'm the informal mediator for the [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-10-03 Gnosis|Gnosis Mediation Cabal case]]. I've now read the talk page discussion, and looked at the article history, so the informal mediation will start soon on the article talk page. Apologies for the delay. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 13:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


==Nikolai Loski==
==References==
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I started the article in Greek wiki under the name Νικολάι Λόσκι.Ι intend to expand it further.Hope you like it. --[[User:Ioannes Tzimiskes|Ioannes Tzimiskes]] ([[User talk:Ioannes Tzimiskes|talk]]) 16:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


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== See also ==
* [[Ampang Line]]
* [[List of rapid transit systems]]
* [[List of driverless trains]]
* [[Rail transport in Malaysia]]
* [[Public transport in Kuala Lumpur]]
* [[Kuala Lumpur Monorail]]
* [[Kuala Lumpur Sentral]]


==External links ==
Could I suggest you focus less on debating, and more on reaching a compromise? [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 18:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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* [http://www.rapidkl.com.my/ Rapid KL]
* [http://www.prasarana.com.my/ Syarikat Prasarana Negara Berhad]
* [http://www.xylogue.com/info/train-map/malaysia/putra-lrt-map1-front.htm Interactive Map of Kelana Jaya to KL Sentral Putra line (Internet Explorer only)]
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Line 5 - LRT Kelana Jaya Line
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KJ1
Gombak Parking Integrated Transport Terminal Gombak
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KJ2
Taman Melati Parking
KJ3
Wangsa Maju Parking
KJ4
Sri Rampai Parking
KJ5
Setiawangsa Parking
13
KJ6
Jelatek Parking
KJ7
Dato' Keramat
KJ8
Damai
KJ9
Ampang Park
PY16
Multiple fare trips12
KJ10
KLCC
KJ11
Kampung Baru
MR8
Bukit Nanas
Multiple fare trips8
KJ12
Dang Wangi
AG7
SP7
Masjid Jamek
KJ13
34
KG16
KJ14
Pasar Seni
9
 Kuala Lumpur KTM ETS
Multiple fare trips12
KG15
Muzium Negara
Multiple fare trips9
KJ15
KL Sentral-redONE Parking KTM ETS
KJ16
Bank Rakyat-Bangsar
KJ17
Abdullah Hukum
Multiple fare trips2
KJ18
Kerinchi
KJ19
Universiti
13
KJ20
Taman Jaya Parking
KJ21
Asia Jaya Parking
KJ22
Taman Paramount Parking
KJ23
Taman Bahagia Parking
KJ24
Kelana Jaya Parking
Subang Depot
KJ25
Lembah Subang
KJ26
Ara Damansara Parking
KJ27
CGC-Glenmarie Parking
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KJ28
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KJ29
SS15
KJ30
SS18
KJ31
SB7
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B1
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Taipan
KJ33
Wawasan
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Alam Megah Parking
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Subang Alam Parking
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Putra Heights Parking
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The Kelana Jaya Line (coloured pink on the Kuala Lumpur transit map) is one of the two light rail transit lines in the Kuala Lumpur Rail Transit System operated by RapidKL Rail network. The other rail network is the Ampang Line.

The Kelana Jaya Line was formerly known as PUTRA Line LRT system or simply PUTRA LRT ("PUTRA" stood for Projek Usahasama Transit Ringan Automatik Sdn Bhd, the company which developed and operated it).

History

The first operation of Kelana Jaya Line commenced on September 1, 1998 between Subang Depot to Pasar Seni and phase two, between Pasar Seni to Terminal Putra in June 1999.

In 2002, the system carried its 150 millionth passenger, with an average of 160,000 passengers riding the system daily at that time[1]. Today, it carries over 190,000 passengers a day and over 350,000 a day during national events. [2]

Chronology

  • 15 February 1994 - Projek Usahasama Transit Ringan Automatik (Putra LRT) was incorporated.
  • 1 September 1998 - Section 1 from Subang Depot to Pasar Seni commenced operation.
  • 1 June 1999 - Entire Putra LRT system opened as Section 2 from Pasar Seni to Terminal PUTRA commenced operation. The new section included Malaysia's first underground railway.
  • 1 September 2002 - Putra LRT comes under management of Syarikat Prasarana Negara and renamed Putraline under the first phase of the restructuring of Kuala Lumpur's public transport system. SPNB also takes over Star LRT and is renamed Starline.
  • November 2004 - Operational aspects of the two LRT systems is transferred to the newly-formed, government-owned Rapid KL under the second phase of the restructuring process. Ownership of their assets remain with SPNB.
  • July 2005 - Name changed from Putraline to Kelana Jaya Line. Signage to be changed by 2006.
  • 24 July 2006 - Failure of the back-up computer to kick-in caused the system to stop functioning during the evening rush hour. Passengers were trapped in trains and some had to force open doors to get out.
  • 29 August 2006 - Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak announces that this line will be extended from Lembah Subang to Subang Jaya and USJ.
  • 6 October 2006 - A "technical problem" caused a train to stall along the tracks between Dato Keramat and Damai stations at 7am, causing a shut-down of the Masjid Jamek-Terminal PUTRA stretch of the line. Normal service restored at 5pm.
  • 13 October 2006 - Syarikat Prasarana Negara signed an agreement with Bombardier-Hartasuma Consortium (BHC)for the purchase of 22 four-car train sets for the Kelana Jaya Line with an option to purchase an additional 13 train sets for RM1.2 billion. Trains to be delivered in 2008.
  • 12 December 2006 - An accident occurred during a peak hour as a train was approaching Pasar Seni LRT station. The train stopped abruptly as if it hit something. No casualties occurred.
  • 8 October 2007 - Syarikat Prasarana Negara purchased an additional 13 Advanced Rapid Transit (ART) MK II train sets (52 cars) for €71 million for the Kelana Jaya Line. Delivery of the train sets is expected to be in 2010.[3]

The system

Line and stations

KLCC station is one of only five underground stations along the Kelana Jaya Line. Underground Kelana Jaya Line stations have platform screen doors installed for safety reasons.
The Kelana Jaya Line station in Kuala Lumpur Sentral.
The Universiti station at night. It is one of the elevated stations in the system.

The Kelana Jaya Line consists of a single line from Kelana Jaya to Gombak that primarily serves the Petaling Jaya region to the south; southwest and central Kuala Lumpur, and Kuala Lumpur City Centre to the centre; and various low density residential areas further north in Kuala Lumpur. At 29 km in length, this line is the third longest fully-automated driverless metro system in the world, after the SkyTrain in Greater Vancouver, Canada (49.5 km) and the Lille Metro VAL in Lille, France (32 km).

Kelana Jaya Line's stations are given in a north-south direction, consists primarily of elevated stops and a handful of underground and at-grade stations. Of a total of 24 stations, 16 are elevated, and 5 stops between Pasar Seni and Ampang Park are underground. The only at-grade station, Sri Rampai, is currently incomplete and closed since a construction project it is supposed to serve has been halted. The Sri Rampai station is the only station in the line to be out of service.

The stations, like those of the Ampang Line, are styled in several types of architectural designs. Elevated stations, in most parts, were constructed in four major styles with distinctive roof designs for specific portions of the line. The KL Sentral station, added later, features a design more consistent with the Stesen Sentral station building. Underground stations, however, tend to feature unique concourse layout and vestibules, and feature floor-to-ceiling platform screen doors to prevent platform-to-track intrusions. 13 stations (including two terminal stations and the five subway stations) utillise a single island platform, while 11 others utilize two side platforms. Stations with island platforms allow easy interchange between north-bound and south-bound trains without requiring one to walk down/up to the concourse level.

Kelana Jaya Line stations were built to support disabled passengers, featuring elevators and wheelchair lifts alongside escalators and stairways between various levels of the stations. The stations in this line were also designed to have platform gaps smaller than 5 cm to allow easy access for the disabled and wheelchair users. They are able to achieve this with:

  • Tracks that are non-ballasted, lessening rail and train movements.
  • Trains that have direct rubber suspension, lessening train body movements.
  • Trains that do not rapidly run through stations.
  • Stations that have straight platforms.

The stations are currently the only rapid transit stations in the Klang Valley designed to provide a degree of accessibility for handicapped users.

Kelana Jaya Line stations also feature a limited number of closed-circuit security cameras for security purposes.

Abbr. Station name Platform
TMP Terminal Putra island
TAM Taman Melati side
WGM Wangsa Maju island
SRI Sri Rampai side;unused
STW Setiawangsa island
JLT Jelatek side Featuring drift every Sunday at 6 PM.
DKM Dato' Keramat side
DAM Damai island
AMP Ampang Park island, underground
KLC KLCC island, underground Rapid KL Bus Hub
KBU Kampung Baru island, underground
DWI Dang Wangi island, underground Walking distance to Template:KL-RTS-KML
MJD Masjid Jamek island, underground Template:KL-RTS-APL
PSR Pasar Seni island Walking distance to Rawang-Seremban Line and Sentul-Port Klang Line
KLS KL Sentral side Template:KL-RTS-SPL, Template:KL-RTS-RSL, Template:KL-RTS-KEL, Template:KL-RTS-KTL and KTM Intercity, walking distance to Template:KL-RTS-KML and Rapid KL Bus Hub
BSR Bangsar side
ABH Abdullah Hukum side
KER Kerinchi side
UNI Universiti island
TJA Taman Jaya side
ASJ Asia Jaya island
TMP Taman Paramount side
TBH Taman Bahagia side
KLJ Kelana Jaya island
SBD Subang Depot no passenger service

Rolling stock

The rolling stock of the Kelana Jaya Line, in use since the opening of the line in 1998, consists of a fleet of 35 Mark II Bombardier Advanced Rapid Transit (ART) trains[4] with related equipment and services supplied by the Bombardier Group. The ART trains consist of two-electric multiple units, which serve as either a driving car or trailer car depending on its direction of travel. The trains utilise linear motors and draw power from a third rail located at the side of the steel rails. The plating in between the running rails is used for accelerating and decelerating the train. The reaction plate is semi-magnetised, which pulls the train along as well as helps it to slow down.

The ART is essentially driverless, automated to travel along lines and stop at designated stations for a limited amount of time. Nevertheless, manual override control panels are provided at each end of the trains for use in an event of an emergency.

The interior of the ART, like its Ampang Line counterparts, simply consists of plastic seating aligned sideways towards the sides of the train, with spacing for passengers on wheelchair, and spacing in the middle for standing occupants. Since its launch in 1998, the ART rolling stock has remained relatively unchanged; only more holding straps have been added and the labelling has been modified from Putra-LRT to RapidKL.

On October 13, 2006, Syarikat Prasarana Negara signed an agreement with Bombardier Hartasuma Consortium for the purchase of 88 Mark II ART cars (22 train sets of 4-cars) with an option for another 13 for RM1.2 billion[5]. The 22 train sets, to be delivered from August 2008 onwards, will have four cars each and will boost the carrying capacity of the fleet by 1,500 people. On October 8, 2007, Syarikat Prasarana Negara purchase an additional 52 Mark II ART cars (13 train sets of 4-cars) for €71 million, expected to be delivered in 2010.

Although the trains were expected to arrive in August 2008, the delivery was delayed to November 2008 by the manufacturer. RapidKL expects the rail will only be usable by September 2009 after having sufficient rolling stocks, power line upgrades and safety testing.[6]

Criticisms

  • Technical failures

Due to the system being driverless and almost fully computerised, there have been numerous occasions when systems failure have led to services being severely affected and at worse the whole line being closed. For example, the 24 July 2006[citation needed] and 6 October 2006 incidents.[citation needed]

  • Low capacity

Although the system has been built to accommodate more carriages, currently only two carriages make the standard configuration of the train sets. This is notable given that trains are often overcrowded and that the Kelana Jaya Line is the most heavily used rail transport system in the Klang Valley.

  • Route alignment

The Kelana Jaya Line has been criticised[citation needed] for not being aligned to stop at key locations, although the system passes through many places of interest. For example, the rarely used Abdullah Hukum station at Jalan Bangsar is located close to the busy Mid Valley development, but is separated by a squatter settlement and the Klang River. Many have criticised the abilities of the planners, in choosing the alignment the route, and placing a station at Abdullah Hukum as opposed to having one at Mid Valley, as both the LRT and Mid Valley development were planned and constructed at the same period.[citation needed]

The Kelana Jaya Line at its western end terminates public services at Kelana Jaya, although it extends a little further into Lembah Subang, near the Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport where maintenance facilities are located. This maintenance facility is known as the Subang Depot. Many [who?] have questioned why the line did not start in Subang Jaya, a massive township just a few kilometres south of Lembah Subang.[citation needed]

  • Physical integration

Like every other mode of rail transport in Kuala Lumpur, physical integration between different lines is poor. Most notably is the Masjid Jamek interchange where the Kelana Jaya Line meets the Ampang Line. However, there are effective interchange at KL Sentral between separate modes of transport.

Extensions

On 29 August 2006, Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister Mohd Najib Abdul Razak announced that the western end of the Kelana Jaya Line would be extended to the suburbs of Bandar Sunway, Subang Jaya and UEP Subang Jaya (USJ), which are located to the south-west of Kuala Lumpur. The extension will be part of a RM10 billion plan to expand Kuala Lumpur's public transport network.

The expansion plan will also see the Ampang Line extended to the suburb of Puchong and the south-west of Kuala Lumpur The plan also involved the construction of an entirely new line, tentatively called the Kota Damansara-Cheras Line, running from Kota Damansara in the western portion of the city, to Cheras which lies to the south-east of Kuala Lumpur.

On June 15, 2008, The Star, a local newspaper, revealed a 40km route that goes from Kota Damansara to Cheras. The alignment will run from Kota Damansara along Persiaran Surian to the Damansara-Puchong Expressway and then heading towards the city centre along the Sprint Expressway, through Bangsar Baru and Jalan Bangsar. It will then run parallel to the existing Kelana Jaya Line to KL Sentral, Pasar Seni and Masjid Jamek before heading to the Golden Triangle along Jalan Raja Chulan. The route will then pass Pasar Rakyat in Bukit Bintang and then Jalan Tun Razak where it will join Jalan Cheras. It will continue along the road and the Cheras-Kajang Expressway to the Balakong interchange near Cheras Batu 11. Construction was expected to begin end of 2008 and ready by 2012.[7]

As of August 2008, the operator of the line, Syarikat Prasarana Negara Bhd , is running land and engineering study on the proposed extension. It is to believe that the construction will start once the study is complete.[8]

References

  1. ^ Kelana Jaya Line (Formerly known as PUTRA Line)
  2. ^ RapidKL Puts Marketing Retail Space on Fast Lane
  3. ^ Bombardier Press release on 71 Million Euro Order by SPNB
  4. ^ Railway Technology - Kuala Lumpur Driverless Metro System, Malaysia
  5. ^ SPNB Homepage - SPNB in RM1.2b deal for 35 LRT trains
  6. ^ "New trains for Kelana Jaya line will only be usable by Sept 2009". New Straits Times. 2008-09-04.
  7. ^ Leong Shen-Li (2008-06-15). "Kota Damasara-Cheras line right on track". {{cite news}}: Text "2008-06-15" ignored (help); Text "accessdate" ignored (help); Unknown parameter |Publisher= ignored (|publisher= suggested) (help)
  8. ^ Sim Leoi Leoi (2008-08-21). "Two extra LRT lines being studied". The Star.

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