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Article for deletion

People might want to check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wanker (2nd nomination) Jooler 17:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

E.J. Thribb reads Wikipedia

The latest Private Eye (no. 1175) includes a poem from E. J. Thribb referring to our great encyclopaedia - see Talk:E. J. Thribb. Sam Blacketer 23:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Common scold FAR

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London meet, Tue 9 Jan

Montagu Pyke, Charing Cross Road, Wed 10 Jan. I'll be there from seven, others may be earlier. Signup at Wikipedia:Meetup/London#Informal_socials - David Gerard 21:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

WRONG DATE! Jimbo got his dates wrong. It's TUESDAY 9th JANUARY, same place, same signup sheet - David Gerard 17:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The Quatermass Experiment FAR

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The British Museum

The important article on The British Museum has recently become badly degraded -- can any interested parties take a look and help with improvements? --mervyn 10:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Should we just revert to something like this revision ? Morwen - Talk 10:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, harsh but needed -- I think this slightly later version incorporates some good refs, just before the rot set in. [1] --mervyn 12:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

On investigation, most appear to be good faith edits, so am now liaising about improvements at Talk:The British Museum --mervyn 11:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Henry VIII of England FAR

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WPTIS

I didn't even know that this noticeboard existed. Sorry. Anyway, i was wondering if i could seek help with this project e.g. assign more tasks in the to do list. Anyone interested in joining the project? It is WikiProject Transport in Scotland. Simply south 22:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Mulesing legality reference question

Hi. This is probably a strange request here, but I'm not sure where else to ask. Mulesing is the current Australian collaboration article, and is a rather contentious topic. We have a claim that "Mulesing is currently illegal in Britain where fly strike is a relatively controllable problem" with a rather doubtful reference. I was wondering if any UK farmers or lawyers can advise a suitable reference for the claim (or its negative). It may be that due to breed choice and flock size/farming practices, mulesing is not required in the UK, so while not practiced, it is not illegal either. Thanks for any help you can provide. --Scott Davis ^Talk 01:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Homour move

They're at it again - Talk:Humour Jooler 23:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Use of the St George's Cross

Perhaps this has been debated before, but allow me to comment on the seeming proliferation of the Flag of England in articles (examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9). In the current environment, with many Scots openly contemplating secession, this is bound to be somewhat of a political statement. Now, don't get me wrong: I love England, and I think English people have every right to be proud of their country's amazing achievements. But I also love the United Kingdom - of which Scotland is an integral part - united under one Crown (I wouldn't mind a 1603-1707 type situation that much, but we all know an independent Scotland would be a republic). Thus I support use of the Union Jack over the individual nations' flags, and putting in "England, United Kingdom", not just "England" in biographical infoboxes. (Indeed, I hold the same view toward the Saltire - it too should be replaced here and here, for instance.) Or perhaps we could use both flags, as here. The point is, national unity is threatened, and we shouldn't exacerbate the trend here. But, truth be told, I really don't see the need at all for flags in such boxes - it seems a little childish, but if people want them, I suppose it's all right.

(And yes, I am aware that the Flag of England is fully appropriate in sporting and pre-1606(?) contexts.) Biruitorul 04:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Oppose. Support the current usage. - Francis Tyers · 13:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

One size doesn't fit all. There is nothing wrong with identifying somebody as English (rather than British) if that is how they consider themselves. Same for Scottish. But I do hate those bloody little flags... /wangi 13:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree - the flags get on my nerves as well. But let me ask: what if the individual hasn't pronounced on his self-identity? Surely not all persons for whom we insert an English flag have said "I am English first and British second"? Biruitorul 16:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The same goes for Scottish, Welsh and northern Irish. We have quite bad sourcing on peoples ethnic identity. - Francis Tyers · 17:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Right, I wasn't trying to single out England - although England is the only one without some form of local autonomy. One might think, though, that in the absence of a declared national (English, Scottish...) identity, the state (UK) flag would be the default. Biruitorul 18:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Anne of Great Britain FAR

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Battle of the Somme FAR

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Restoration literature FAR

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The Sun (newspaper) as a cited source

People might want to look at and comment on Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources#The_Sun Jooler 19:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject England

is up and running, and looking for members. Its still developing, so feel free to edit the project page, add and format to the to do list etc. Thanks, RHB ^{Talk - Edits} 20:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Dispute regarding treaties relevant to the formation of the United Kingdom

There is currently a dispute going on at the Template talk:UKFormation which regard the inclusion of treaties specific to England within the template which aims to display the treaties leading to the formation of the United Kingdom i.e. the Union of Parliaments and Union of Crowns before that. Comment upon the dispute is needed so that a consensus may be reached. siarach 04:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Representative peer FAR

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Richard O'Connor FAR

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John Major FAR

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Deletion review

This article is up for deletion review, since it was a UK event I thought it would be worth linking from here. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amir Massoud Tofangsazan (second nomination) GameKeeper 13:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

England and Wales

Someone is proposing that England and Wales article be deleted. G-Man * 22:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Randomisation on Portal:United Kingdom

I've proposed some major changes on Portal:United Kingdom that I think would improve it. Comments welcome at Portal talk:United Kingdom#Randomisation. the wub "?!" 18:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations

I would be really grateful if any of you want to pitch in to help write Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations. Given the controversy swirling it we could do with a good article on it. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Football Leagues notability

From time to time, articles on minor football league teams are nominated with a policy guideline being referred to. If memory serves, it goes to about 10 leagues down from the Premier leagues. We are looking at developing something similar for the Australian football leagues such as AFL, rugby league, rugby union and soccer. If anyone could advise me of the relevant guidelines, I would be much obliged. Capitalistroadster 08:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox flag straw poll

Hello fellow editors. A straw poll has opened today (27th March 2007) regarding the use of flags on the United Kingdom place infoboxes. There are several potential options to use, and would like as many contrubutors to vote on which we should decide upon. The straw poll is found here. If joining the debate, please keep a cool head and remain civil. We look forward to seeing you there. Jhamez84 11:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

England, United Kingdom

I notice that quite a few articles include England, United Kingdom. This feels a bit clunky to me but, before changing any, I thought I'd check if there is a consensus to use it or not. It does seem to afflict Cornish articles in particular. Google has about 123 from en.wikipedia.org for "Cornwall England United Kingdom", 5 results for "Devon England United Kingdom" and none at all for "Dorset England United Kingdom". This makes me wonder if someone has been using the phrase to annoy any Cornish Nationalist readers.

If we don't use both together, what do we use? I think just England would be fine for most articles but, for the Cornish ones, I think I'd run with United Kingdom as being more neutral, culturally. Another possibility for these would be South West England or South West Britain with the Britain linked to either Great Britain or British Isles (terminology) which would be more descriptive, geographically. --Cavrdg 16:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that generally it is simpler and more descriptive to put say Brighton, England because it is clear that england is in the uk (therefore brighton must be) whereas to put simply brighton uk misses out the info that it is in england. I can see that there will be occasions where uk is preferred to england and Cornwall, UK may be an example. I think england and uk is pedantic overkill. What surprises me is that there isnt a manual of style ruling on this. Abtract 07:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Royal Assent FAR

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History of Sheffield FAC

I would appreciate it if someone with copy editing skills, and some time, would go through History of Sheffield. It is currently on FAC, and might make it to FA. But it has been suggested that it would benefit from someone less close to the article giving it the once over. Thanks, —JeremyA (talk) 04:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

United Kingdom corporation tax FAR

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{{WikiProject UK}}

Guh...Just finished adding everything needed (except for the edit team box) for a project template. x_x Blast 03.04.07 0116 (UTC)

Moorgate FAR

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Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 18:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

census info

Hi, anyone here know a good place to get census info for The Falkland Islands? See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Falkland Islands for the context — Jack · talk · 02:39, Monday, 9 April 2007

James I of England FAR

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The Selector: UK music around the world

I would like to invite all British editors to check the page The Selector, a world wide radio program created by the British Council to promote different musical styles from underground and mainstream artist in several countries around the world. The page is still a very little stub, however maybe you guys in the UK and in other countries are able to find more info since I only have about the Colombian version via the BC here. --ometzit<col> 04:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Buckingham Palace FAR

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Henley-in-Arden

Can somebody else try explaining to User:Billleech why his version of the Henley-in-Arden article, is completely innapropriate. I've tried doing this but to no avail. G-Man * 19:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Charles I of England FAR

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Speaker of the British House of Commons FAR

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Margaret Thatcher FAR

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The poll tax

I've just split out Community Charge as a seperate article, rather than a subsection of Poll tax - perhaps the most contentious political event in the last couple of decades, and we didn't have an article! Remarkable...

It's fairly complete but a bit anecdotal in places and gets some of the history a little confused - would anyone be interested in working on it? Shimgray | talk | 14:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Have been advised to come here re Template:Infobox UK place which are used for London districts as awell as UK. For London - don'y know about all other towns - would be good to have an option to ad electoral wards. DOn't know if you feel this is not your issue, but would appreciate some guidance / help. hjuk 23:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Use of Historic Photos

A local museum has written to me to say that they will be happy for me to use soem of their photos on Wikipedia. But looking at the image pages, it all seems more complicated than that. I don't think they want to release them for free use. Anyone know what type of licence protects them and Wikipedia? hjuk 17:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not an expert but I get the impression that only public domain, and variants, are to be uploaded. {{copyrighted}} is the one that applies but if you read the description it states that these images will be deleted! MortimerCat 18:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

While public domain images are welcome, most images are copyright under a licence chosen by the copyright holder, which must allow free use of the image under the same licence terms, permitting both commercial reuse and derivative works. Thus, I use Creative Commons with attribution, so anyone using the image has to make it available under the same licence, and name me as having created the image. The Wikipedia:Image use policy sets out the basic terms, Wikipedia:Image copyright tags links to the various licences. Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial#Ask for permission gives ideas on getting use of images from other copyright holders, and Wikipedia:Example requests for permission suggests sample letters. There are similarly useful pages on Wikimedia Commons, such as commons:Commons:First steps/License selection The main thing, as you say, is to find the best licence for their purposes, and of course it's important to ensure that they actually hold the copyright. While the licence will make the images available for others to use, attribution means that they can treat it as advertising. One option is to limit the resolution, making a low resolution image suitable for illustrating an article available to all, while keeping control of the detailed high resolution original. Hope that helps. ... dave souza, talk 19:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - helpful. hjuk 06:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

RDA

One for the ToDo list. The series of redirects and history of pages for

• UK Government's recommended daily allowance

is somewhat embarrasing and could do with sorting out / expanding. -- Solipsist 12:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Dead Kings and things

I've created a Burial places of British monarchs. It has a bit of a Scots bias (reflecting my interests) in the referencing. Any help, and particularly from an English historian would be appreciated.--Sandy Donald 19:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

An English passport?

Hello UK Wikipedians!

It seems a debate about the use of nationality and ethnicity has been stirred on the Bernard Manning article talk page (I do beg your pardon!). It is my believe that nationalism is spoiling the integrity of some articles, and have had Union flags and citations removed with no justification. Some are even asserting there is an English nationality!

Comments are welcome on the talk page, as I feel I'm talking to a brick wall. Jhamez84 21:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

What's the problem? People within the UK commonly refer to themselves using the "countries within a country". It's far more common for someone to say they are English or Scottish or Welsh... than British. Indeed It's standard practise in the articles to try and describe them as they would themselves - can you find a reference for BM describing himself as British? Thanks/wangi 22:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Jhamez84, reading through Talk:Bernard Manning#Channel 4 Poll I'm led to believe you don't understand the dynamic within the UK, how people refer to each other, and are referred to by others. There are strong national identities within the UK, and it is normal to associate people with these. Thanks/wangi 22:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Unquantifiable and unverifiable baselessness. So tell me User:Wangi - what nationality and ethnic group are the following and why?

1. Queen Elizabeth
2. Tony Blair
3. David Cameron
4. DJ Nihal
5. Salman Rushdie

Jhamez84 00:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Tony Blair and David Cameron are Scots, Nihal is English. - Francis Tyers · 14:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Do Tony Blair and David Cameron call themselves Scots, or is it just that some Scots have claimed them as "non-British"? The last two are clearly British Asian, English is an ethnicity. Secretlondon 10:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the only thing that can be said with certainty about this concerns what is officially said on the travel documents when one travels away and returns to the UK. In the passports, it clearly states "British Citizen". Consequently, the only thing that can be claimed with utter verifiability is that there is a British Nationality. If people wish to alter this, then they would be better occupied campaigning to get those changes made officially - which means going to the government and arguing with them for changes to be made to these travel documents rather than engaging in squabbles on here that are ultimately disruptive to wikipedia.  DDStretch  (talk) 08:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Citizenship is not the same as nationality. On my passport it says "British citizen" — which is not the same thing. - Francis Tyers · 14:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. They are not the same thing, but being a British Citizen implies having British Nationality. I refer you to British nationality law#Classes of British nationality, where it states "British citizenship is the most common type of British nationality, and the only one that automatically carries a right of abode in the United Kingdom", along with "Of the various classes of British nationality and BPP [British Protected Persons] status, all except British citizenship and British Overseas Territories citizenship are residual categories." So,thank you for allowing me to correct my error, but the force of what I said still stands. Of course, it may be that wikipedia article is in error, in which case, I would say it would be far more productive for those who take issue with it to go and fix it rather than argue the case in this discussion.  DDStretch  (talk) 14:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Jhamez84, I'm not interested in a blow-by-blow "discussion" here, you asked for the opinion of others and I gave you mine - please respect that opinion. To be honest there is one name on that list I'm completely ignorant about and four I couldn't care less about. I'll reiterate; it's common for people in the UK to identify themselves as "English", "Welsh", "Scottish", "Irish" etc before "British". The census has a question regarding nationality, of which the previous nationalities are all options. Dig into the census results for yourself, here's a "nugget" from them: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=278 and http://www.devolution.ac.uk/Final%20Conf/Devolution%20public%20attitudes.pdf is also worth reading. In the end we must reflect reality, and referring to people simply as "British" when they don't identify themselves as such isn't accurate. Thanks/wangi 11:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

But many people do NOT consider themselves to be English as it is seen as an ethnicity. They do consider themselves to be British however. I understand that people in Scotland and Wales may not consider themselves to be British, and that one can be, say, black and Scottish (or so I am told). One cannot be black and English, as English is an ethnicity. People are black British, British asian etc. Wikipedia should NOT reflect nationality through a celtic nationalist viewpoint. The nationality is British, that's what it says on the passport. Secretlondon 10:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Plenty of people consider themselves to be black and English/Scottish etc. The idea that you have to be white to be English (or Scottish, or Welsh, etc) is offensive (it's a bit ironic that those who dare use words like Scottish are considered nationalist extremists by some wikipedians when we aren't the ones coming out with racist arguments). Wikipedia should follow normal accepted usage (shown by reputable newspapers etc.), and normal accepted usage is for both "British" and "English, Scottish, etc" to be considered valid terms. Trying to restrict usage to the subset of accepted terms that agree with your own politics is nothing more than POV-pushing. Nationalism is nothing to do with this- the only question is "Is a term used in reputable sources?". Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant- there are plenty of terms used on Wikipedia ("race", "I.Q.") that I personally find to be less than useful- but if they are used in reputable sources, they should be used here. Lurker (said · done) 10:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Royal patronage of UK organisations

Can I get some guidance on what qualifies as a notable organisation within the scope of this project? According to Wikipedia, Royal patronage does not equate to automatic notability. I get the feeling this is a very subjective view on what Royal patronage actually means. Whether or not Royal patronage equates to automatic notability under current guidelines, should it? Patronage isn't given to any old organisation. Dbromage 04:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Worcester

There is a debate at Talk:Worcester over whether the page should be moved to a disambig because of an American place called Worcester, or left alone. Views on the matter are welcome. G-Man * 01:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Plymouth

There is also a debate at Talk:Plymouth about very similar issues, raised by the same people, because of the most notable USA place with the same name. Again, views on the matter will be welcomed.  DDStretch  (talk) 20:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

43-cars pile-up near Dover

I added an entry on this in List of road accidents, and noted no deaths, but that is only because the source I have is unclear (none of the schoolchildren in the involved bus were injured). Can somebody double-check? Circeus 03:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

"Scousland"

Some anon keeps adding to the Liverpool article that Liverpool name in scouse is 'Scousland' [2]. They also appear to be serious. G-Man ^? 02:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

New WikiProject

A new WikiProject on Bradford has just been started. If anyone is interested in writing and organising articles about Bradford, please sign up! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (United Kingdom-related articles)

A guideline is being drafted at this page which would prescribe that all UK nationals be described as British, rather than English, Welsh, Scottish or N. Irish. Unfortunately the proposer appears to have overlooked notifying the UK based projects. Leithp 07:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

They should be describe as British. GoodDay 22:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that Rhodri Morgan should not be described as Welsh, and that Billy Connolly is not Scottish? Good luck with that. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's frustrating: Connolly and Morgan are both British; Non-British readers can easily be tricked into thinking (via Connolly and Morgan articles for example) that Scotland and Wales are independant countries. GoodDay 22:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

It would be like saying Mario Lemieux is a Quebecer and Brad Richards is a Prince Edward Islander; instead of saying both are Canadians. GoodDay 22:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, all this has been discussed on the rejected proposal's talk page. A general rule of thumb throughout much of Wikipedia is to use the most commonly used description, or the one the subject would use themselves. It would seem to apply equally here. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 23:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I've left comments on that rejected proposal page. It's too bad things will remain as they are; the UK is apparently a single country, simultaneously four countries. Oh well- English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish it is. GoodDay 19:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

United Kingdom's Official Language

We're having a growing discussion (hopefully not an 'edit war') concerning the UK's official language. Some editors are arguing that the Official Language is English and Welsh. Others are arguing English only. GoodDay 23:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See this UK government site :[3]. English is the official language of the UK as a whole, but Welsh, Scots Gaelic and Cornish now have different degrees of official status in some parts of the UK. Ghmyrtle 00:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Abtract continues to 're-add' Welsh. GoodDay 00:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Where ? Ghmyrtle 09:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

At the TopInfobox of the article United Kingdom (I've since reverted him). GoodDay 18:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It could probably use a footnote referring to the site I cited, but the footnote arrangements in the infobox look complicated and I wouldn't want to mess it up ! Ghmyrtle 19:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I sorta understand Abtracts confusion. He's getting 'official language' of Wales (part of the UK), confused with 'official language' of the United Kingdom (the whole nation). If we went by Abtracts version, we'd have to also add 'Gaelic' (from Scotland) & Irish (from Northern Ireland). He's got to understand - English is the 'national' Official Language. GoodDay 19:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Welsh has a status above Gaelic, Irish and so forth, however. --Breadandcheese 18:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

It's already been settled, Welsh doesn't get special status over other regional languages. GoodDay 19:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

sources for biographical articles and supporting context

Don't forget that libraries in England (not sure about W,S, NI) have acquired the right to use a swathe of OUP reference titles, including the magnificent Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Anyone with a library card can log on at [4]. BrainyBabe 10:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

British monarchs' family tree

I had to post here (couldn't get anyone's attention at the required article). Can someone fix the mistakes at 'family tree' article (see talk: British monarchs' family tree, for discussion of 'errors')? GoodDay 22:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Press up -> Push up

There's a vote to rename "press up" to "push up"; the argument in favour of moving is along the lines that "there are far more English speaking Americans than there are English speaking Brits". — Matt Crypto 05:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Well that's never been policy. Secretlondon 13:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Quite. The manual of style covers this (WP:ENGVAR). — Matt Crypto 18:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

When did England and Scotland merge to become Great Britain?

There's disputes at England and List of English monarchs, over when these 2 kingdoms became united. I say it was in 1707; other argue 1604, when James I/VI proclaimed himself King of Great Britain. We need help at those articles. GoodDay 00:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

There are two dates, as you have found out: the earliest date was when James VI became the King of both countries and the later date was when the Scottish Parliament voted to abolish itself. The Scottish Parliament was abolished in 1707; so that is the legal date. Pyrotec 17:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a small thing: the "Scottish Parliament" is generally used to refer to the devolved body in Holyrood. The pre-union legislature is known as the Parliament of Scotland and is located at that page. --Breadandcheese 17:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

? Somerset wikiproject

A proposal has been submitted for the creation of a Somerset wikiproject at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. If anyone supports this or would be willing to contribute please comment/add your name there.— Rod ^talk 11:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

This project has been launched at Wikipedia:WikiProject Somerset. Derek Andrews 14:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Category tags

Greetings from down under - is there anyone in this project interested in working on 'tagging' articles and categories for the project? The prepondence of red discussion tags at the top of category/article pages suggest that it might have been a low priority for most participants at some point in the history of this project.

It could be done by a bot - but human /manual checking is as effective - its just the project will never know much about itself if it cannot make a check of what categories it has and whether they have been appropriately populated and tagged.

Also - the tags currently attract a configuration of class=NA, importance=NA for the categories - as the class=cat does not work - a good example of it working is at the australian project.

For any project to adequately handle assessment at all - the tagging of articles becomes essential in the process of getting assessment up and running properly.

I dont expect much of a response as few in wikipedia seem interested in this aspect of project management - however the results in the long term make the endevour well worth it.

Please reply here or at my user talk page - I would be interested to know if any are the slightest interested. cheers SatuSuro 11:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Which project are you talking about here? Keith D 12:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I assumed that the UK project and/or any of the sub projects that need the 'treatment' as well SatuSuro 12:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Blyth, Northumberland FAC

I've nominated Blyth, Northumberland for FA (candidate page). If anyone would like to have a look at it and leave a comment or offer their support it would be very much appreciated, thanks. Dbam ^Talk/_{Contributions} 18:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Not sure whether to add comments here on on the talk page; but I'm here now so just a couple of comments: I think that it should be stated in the intro that it is on the 'south bank of', rather than 'to the south of' the River Blyth. Also the giant killing exploits of the football team should give examples of giants killed; simply reaching the 5th round may just indicate they were just fortunate in the draw ! GrahamHardy 15:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Graham, thanks for the suggestions, that's a good point you make about Blyth Spartans and the FA Cup, I suppose it is just a matter of assumption that a team would have to beat high-level opposition to reach the fifth round. If you wish, you can leave further comments at the article's candidate page, or either support or object the nomination as applicable. Hope to see you there, cheers. Dbam ^Talk/_{Contributions} 16:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

FAR notice

Coronation of the British monarch has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --RelHistBuff 07:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Welsh in lead on London

Contributions welcomed to debate the issue on Talk:London. Jooler 21:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Ulster Banner straw poll

Hello there,

A straw poll has opened at this section of the United Kingdom talk page regarding the use of the Ulster Banner for that article's circumstances only. To capture a representative result as possible, you are invited to pass your opinion there. If joining the poll, please keep a cool head, and remain civil. Hope to see you there, Jza84 22:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Queen Victoria vs Victoria of the United Kindgom

There is a debate going on at Talk:Victoria of the United Kingdom as to whether Victoria of the United Kingdom should be moved to Queen Victoria. Just thought people might be interested. G-Man ^? 22:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Manual of Style (biographies): British, or English, (Northern) Irish, Scottish, Welsh?

Hi, there's currently a proposal by me for "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)" to be clarified with usage notes regarding the use of "British" or "English", "(Northern) Irish", "Scottish" and "Welsh" to be used to describe the nationality of persons in biographical articles. Do provide your views at the "talk page" so that broad consensus on the matter can be reached. Cheers, Jacklee 16:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)