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In 2006, [[Sarah Palin]] was elected governor of [[Alaska]]. Running on a clean-government platform, Palin defeated incumbent Governor [[Frank Murkowski]] in the [[United States Republican Party|Republican]] gubernatorial [[primary election]] in August.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/washington/24alaskacnd.html |title=Alaska Governor Concedes Defeat in Primary |accessdate=2008-09-03 |date=2006-08-03 |work=[[The New York Times]] |publisher=}}</ref> She then went on to win the [[Alaska gubernatorial election, 2006|general election]] in November, defeating former Governor [[Tony Knowles (politician)|Tony Knowles]] 48.3% to 40.9%.<ref>(Johnson 2008, p. 107)</ref> Her running mate was State Senator [[Sean Parnell]].


During the Republican gubernatorial primary campaign, Palin was endorsed by former Alaska Governor [[Walter Hickel]],<ref>[http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=FDNB&p_theme=fdnb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1129B98727C52AE8&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM Hickel backs Palin], Daily News-Miner ([[2006-07-01]]).</ref> and groups such as the Alaska Correctional Officers Association and Alaska Right to Life.<ref>Milkowski, Stefan. “Governor candidates announce endorsements”, Daily News-Miner ([[2006-08-19]]).</ref> Later, in the general election for governor, she was supported by Governor Frank Murkowski.<ref>Hopkins, Kyle et al. [http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8112414p-8004962c.html “Knowles, Palin in November”], Anchorage Daily News ([[2006-08-22]]).</ref> Republican U.S. Senator [[Ted Stevens]] made a last-moment endorsement, filming a television commercial with Palin for the gubernatorial campaign.<ref name="palin-stevens-527">{{cite news |url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html|publisher=[[Washington Post]]|title=Palin Was a Director of Embattled Sen. Stevens's 527 Group|last=Mosk|first=Matthew|date=September 1, 2008|accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref>
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This article is scoped, defined and edited to be purely and simply a [[WP:FORK|Content fork]] of [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]]. It consists of material that was deleted from that original article. - ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 22:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
::This AfD requires an expert in the subject. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 23:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


During her campaign for governor, Palin declared that education, public safety, and transportation would be the three cornerstones of her administration.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://gov.state.ak.us/bio.html |title=Alaska Governor Sarah Palin |publisher=Gov.state.ak.us |date= |accessdate=2008-09-15}}</ref> She won the race despite spending less than her Democratic opponent.<ref>(Johnson 2008, p. 107)</ref>
::I am opposed to deletion; this article is ''not'' a [[Wikipedia:Content_forking|content fork]]; see the discussion below and look at the article itself. There is very little overlap, neither in topics, nor figures, nor equations. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 00:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


Palin became [[list of female state governors in the United States|Alaska's first female governor]] and, at 42, the [[List of governors of Alaska|youngest in state history]]. She is the first Alaskan governor born after [[Alaska Statehood Act|Alaska achieved U.S. statehood]] and the first governor not inaugurated in [[Juneau, Alaska|Juneau]]; she chose to have the ceremony in [[Fairbanks, Alaska|Fairbanks]] instead. She took office on December 4, 2006, and has maintained a high approval rating throughout her term;<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.haysresearch.com/|title=Hays Research home page}}</ref> at one point she was recognized as the most popular governor in America.<ref name="weeklystandard">{{cite news|url=http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/851orcjq.asp?pg=1|title=The Most Popular Governor|date=2007-07-16|publisher=''The Weekly Standard''|accessdate=2008-10-07}}</ref> The governorship of Alaska carries unusually strong institutional powers; only a handful of states give their governors greater institutional power and responsibility.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.unc.edu/~beyle/gubnewpwr.html|title=Gubernatorial Power: The Institutional Power Ratings for the 50 Governors of the United States|last=Beyle|first=Thad|publisher=[[University of North Carolina]]|accessdate=2008-09-10}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122100776282517559.html?mod=most_emailed_day|title=Running Alaska|date=2008-09-10|publisher=[[The Wall Street Journal]]|accessdate=2008-09-10}}</ref>
:::Yes, well, since you wrote it, you would be opposed. The reason there's no overlap is because the material was removed from the original article, by consensus. There may be ways to keep material within the wikipedia, but a simple content fork which overlaps in scope with the original article isn't one of them.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 16:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


In 2007, Palin obtained a [[passport]] and traveled for the first time outside of North America to [[Kuwait]] and [[Germany]] to visit with members of the [[Alaska National Guard]].<ref>{{cite news |first=Bryan |last=Bender |coauthors=Issenberg, Sasha |title=Palin not well traveled outside US |url=http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/03/palin_not_well_traveled_outside_us/ |publisher=Boston Globe |date=2008-09-03 |accessdate=2008-09-03}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |first=Michael |last=Cooper |coauthors=Bumiller, Elisabeth |title=McCain Chooses Palin as Running Mate |url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/politics/30veep.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin |publisher=The New York Times |date=2008-08-29 |accessdate=2008-09-04}}</ref>{{POV-statement|date=September 2008}}
:::The usage of the term ''Centrifugal force'' is synonymous with the main article. Under the wikipedia policies articles that are on synonymous usages should be merged see: [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary]]. Here, because the material was removed from the original article, you can't do that. So the article should be deleted or made not to be a content fork.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 16:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


==Government ethics==
::::The article [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary]] is cited based upon the notion that the the two articles refer to the same concept (centrifugal force) and therefore must be in the same article. However, the two pages are ''not'' discussing the same thing: they discuss different aspects of the topic, namely, centrifugal force in the context of a uniformly rotating reference frame with a fixed axis on one page, and centrifugal force in a more general context on another page. It is not similar to the example case given in [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary]] of discussing ''gasoline'' on one page and ''petrol'' on another. For more detail on the reasoning behind two pages, see [[#rationale|this link]]. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 14:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Palin had championed ethics reform throughout her election campaign. Her first legislative action after taking office was to push for a bipartisan ethics reform bill. She signed the resulting legislation in July 2007, calling it a "first step" declaring that she remains determined to clean up Alaska politics.<ref>{{cite web
|last=Halpin |first=James |title=Palin signs ethics reforms |publisher=Anchorage Daily News |date=2007-07-10 |url=http://dwb.adn.com/news/government/story/9120051p-9036359c.html|accessdate=2008-09-12 }}</ref>


== Public Safety Commissioner dismissal ==
:::::Yeah, right.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 18:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
{{main|Alaska Public Safety Commissioner dismissal}}
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On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, citing performance-related issues.<ref name="Simon">{{cite web|last=Simon|first=Matthew|title=Monegan says Palin administration and first gentleman used governor's office to pressure firing first family's former brother-in-law|publisher=[[KTVA]]|date=July 19, 2008|url=http://www.ktva.com/ci_9929780?source=most_viewed|accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref> She then offered him an alternative position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he turned down.<ref>
'''Keep''' The content of the article [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] is in no way a duplication of the companion articles on this subject. It concerns the details of describing centrifugal effects upon particle motions as observed from a variety of inertial and non-inertial frames of reference, and using a variety of coordinate systems (arc-length, polar, Cartesian, curvilinear). It also provides guidance to a good deal of cited work.
{{cite web |url=http://www.adn.com/monegan/ |title=Resources from ''Anchorage Daily News'' regarding the Monegan affair |accessdate=2008-09-05 |work= |publisher= |date=}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |first=Kyle |last=Hopkins |title=Governor offered Monegan a different job |date=2008-07-12 |publisher=[[The McClatchy Company]] |url=http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/463204.html |work=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |accessdate=2008-08-21}}</ref> Monegan alleged that his dismissal was retaliation for his failure to fire Palin’s former brother-in-law, [[Alaska State Troopers|Alaska State Trooper]] Mike Wooten, who was involved in a child custody battle with Palin’s sister, Molly McCann.<ref name="grimaldi">{{cite news|title=Long-Standing Feud in Alaska Embroils Palin|work=Washington Post|first=James V.|last=Grimaldi|coauthors=Kimberly Kindy|date=2008-08-31
|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002366.html?hpid=topnews|accessdate=2008-08-31}} "Palin has said she did not pressure Monegan or fire him for not taking action against her former brother-in-law."</ref><ref name="Staff pushed">{{cite news |first=Sean |last=Cockerham |title=Palin staff pushed to have trooper fired |url=http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html |work=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |publisher= |date=2008-08-14 |accessdate=2008-09-01 }}</ref> He further alleged that contacts made by Palin herself, her staff, and her family had constituted inappropriate pressure to fire Wooten.<ref name="grimaldi" /><ref name="Staff pushed" /> Palin stated that most of those calls were made without her knowledge, and reiterated that she did not fire Monegan because of Wooten,<ref name="grimaldi" /><ref name="pressured">{{cite news |first=Megan |last=Hollan |title=Monegan says he was pressured to fire cop |date=2008-07-19 |publisher=[[The McClatchy Company]] |url=http://www.adn.com/politics/story/469135.html |work=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |accessdate=2008-07-22 |quote=Monegan said he still isn’t sure why he was fired but thought that Wooten could be part of it.}}</ref> who is still employed as a state trooper.<ref>{{cite news |first=Lisa|last=Demer|title=Is Wooten a good trooper? |date=2008-07-19 |publisher=[[The McClatchy Company]] |url=http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html |work=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |accessdate=2008-07-27}}</ref>. On September 19, 2008, Todd Palin refused to testify to a state legislative committee about his role in the controversy.<ref>{{cite news |first=Wesley|last=Loy|title=Todd Palin refuses to testify in 'Troopergate' probe |date=2008-09-19 |publisher=[[The Kansas City Star]] |url=http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/804503.html}}</ref>


Palin's choice to replace Monegan, Charles M. Kopp, chief of the [[Kenai, Alaska|Kenai]] police department, took the position on July 11, 2008. He resigned on July 25 after it was revealed that he had received a letter of reprimand for sexual harassment in his previous position.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://community.adn.com/adn/node/127679 |title=adn.com &#124; Alaska Politics : Palin spokeswoman: Kopp never told governor about reprimand (Updated with comments from lawmakers) |publisher=Community.adn.com |author=Posted by Alaska_Politics |date= |accessdate=2008-09-02}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.aacop.org/Charles%20M%20Kopp.htm |title=Charles M Kopp |publisher=Aacop.org |date= |accessdate=2008-09-02}}</ref> On August 1, the [[Alaska Legislature]] hired an independent investigator to review the situation.<ref name="HiredHelp">{{cite news|url=http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/478090.html |title=Hired help will probe Monegan dismissal |author=Loy, Wesley |publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |date=2008-07-29 |accessdate=2008-08-29}}</ref> The investigation is scheduled to be completed in October 2008.<ref name="grimaldi" /> On August 13, Palin changed her position after an internal investigation, acknowledging that her staff had contacted Monegan or his staff regarding Wooten, but reiterating that she had not fired Monegan because of Wooten.<ref name="contacts">{{cite web|url=http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/48172.html |title=Alaska's governor admits her staff tried to have trooper fired |author=Sean Cockerham |publisher=Anchorage Daily News |date=2008-08-14 |accessdate=2008-08-29}}</ref> On September 1, Palin's lawyer asked the state Legislature to drop its investigation, saying that by state law, the governor-appointed state Personnel Board had jurisdiction over ethics issues.<ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |title=Palin seeks review of Monegan firing case: Governor makes ethics complaint against herself to force action. |url=http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/514163.html |work=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |publisher= |date=2008-09-03 |accessdate=2008-09-05 }}</ref> Palin also asked that the Board review the matter as an ethics complaint.<ref name="ADN0902">{{cite news |first=Lisa |last=Demer|title=Attorney challenges Monegan firing inquiry |date=2008-09-02 |publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |url=http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/513137.html |accessdate=2008-09-02}}</ref>
In contrast, the companion article [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] deals very specifically with centrifugal force as observed in reference frame rotating around a fixed axis. That's it.


On October 10, 2008, the Republican-dominated Alaska Legislative Council unanimously voted to release the Branchflower investigative report<ref name="Branchflower report">{{cite web|url=http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf | title=Stephen Branchflower report to the Legislative Council | author=Branchflower, Stephen | publisher= State of Alaska Legislature | date=2008-10-10| accessdate=2008-10-10}}</ref> which found that Sarah Palin "abused her power as governor" in the firing of Monegan. <ref name="Rood1010">{{cite news | url=http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6004368&page=1 | title=Troopergate Report: Palin Abused Power: Unanimous but Contentious Vote to Release the Report to the Public | author=Justin Rood | publisher=ABC News | date =2008-10-10 | accessdate=2008-10-10}}</ref>
To simply delete [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] would eliminate a good deal of useful material from Wikipedia not available elsewhere. To combine it with [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] would make that article much longer, and make it cover a wider range of topics.


==Energy==
In addition, [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] addresses the Lagrangian formulation of the problem (which applies to very general coordinate systems) and points out that "generalized" fictitious forces differ from plain old Newtonian fictitious forces, a point that has caused some debate on talk pages.
{{see also2|[[Alaska Gas Pipeline]]|[[Political positions of Sarah Palin]]}}
Palin has promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska, including in the [[Arctic National Wildlife Refuge]] (ANWR), where such development has been the subject of a [[Arctic Refuge drilling controversy|national debate]].<ref name="ANWR">{{cite news|url=http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Sarah_Palin_Environment.htm|title=State of the State Address Jan 17, 2007 |date=2007-01-17|accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref> She also helped pass an increase in the severance tax oil companies pay to extract oil from state land. Palin has created a new sub-cabinet group of advisers to address [[global warming|climate change]] and reduce [[greenhouse gas emissions]] within Alaska.<ref name="emissions">{{cite news|first=Tom|last=Kizzia|url=http://dwb.adn.com/news/environment/story/8786824p-8688242c.html|title=State aims to reduce emissions|publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]]|date=2007-04-12|accessdate=2007-12-27}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.climatechange.alaska.gov/|title=Alaska Climate Change Strategy}}</ref> When asked about climate change after becoming Senator McCain's presumptive running mate, she stated that it would "affect Alaska more than any other state", but she added, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made."<ref name="anthroGW">{{cite news|first=Mike|last=Coppock|url=http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/sarah_palin_vp/2008/08/29/126139.html|title=Palin Speaks to Newsmax About McCain, Abortion, Climate Change|publisher=Newsmax|date=2008-08-29|accessdate=2008-08-29}}</ref>


Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded 35 appointments made by Murkowski in the last hours of his administration, including that of his former [[chief of staff (politics)|chief of staff]] James "Jim" Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority.<ref name="AlaskaReport-sacks">{{cite news|url=http://www.alaskareport.com/z45013.htm|title=Palin Sacks Murkowski Crony Clark|publisher=Alaska Report|date=2006-12-07|accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|publisher=[[Associated Press]]|last=Sutton|first=Anne|date=2006-12-06|title=Palin to examine last-hour job blitz}}</ref>
I am inclined to think Wolfkeeper does not grasp the issues here. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 00:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


===Gas pipeline===
:The article is about fictitious forces acting in a rotating reference frame. This is synonymous with that covered at the original article [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]]. Under the policy [[WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary]] synonymous definitions are merged into a single article.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 00:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Sarah Palin Sean Parnell cropped.jpg|thumb|upright|Palin with Lt. Governor [[Sean Parnell]]]]


In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a [[natural gas]] pipeline from the state's [[Alaska North Slope|North Slope]].<ref name="AGIA-unveil">{{cite web|date=2007-03-02|url=http://www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php?id=170|title=Governor Palin Unveils the AGIA|work=News & Announcements|publisher=[[State of Alaska]]|accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref> This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including [[BP]] (her husband's employer). Only one legislator, Representative [[Ralph Samuels]],<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.housemajority.org/samuels/index.php |title=Samuels biography on his Legislature web site |accessdate=2008-09-05 |work= |publisher= |date=}}</ref> voted against the measure,<ref name="Alaska legislature news">{{cite web|date=2007-06-06|url=http://alaskalegislature.com/stories/060607/leg_20070606018.shtml|title=Palin to sign gas pipeline plan today|work=News & Announcements|publisher=Alaska Legislature|accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref> and in June, Palin signed it into law.<ref name="AGIA-HB177">{{cite web|date=2007-06-07|url=http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/get_bill.asp?bill=HB%20177&session=25|title=Bill History/Action for 25th Legislature: HB 177|work=BASIS|publisher=Alaska State Legislature|accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref> On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, [[TransCanada Corporation]], was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.adn.com/money/industries/oil/pipeline/story/255462.html |title=Palin picks Canadian company for gas line: Gas Pipeline|publisher=adn.com|date= |accessdate=2008-08-29}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=7578924 |title=Canadian company meets AGIA requirements|publisher=ktuu.com|accessdate=2008-08-29}}</ref> In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award [[TransCanada Pipelines]] $500 million in seed money and a license to build and operate the $26-billion pipeline to transport natural gas from the [[North Slope]] to the [[Lower 48]] through Canada.<ref>{{cite news |first=Yereth |last=Rosen |title=Alaska governor signs natgas pipeline license bill |url=http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=2e84b1e8-9a4a-4558-ad05-21b517c50fae |work=[[Calgary Herald]] |publisher= |date=2008-08-27 |accessdate=2008-09-05}}
::I think it is pretty clear from the article and from what was said above that the article [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] is ''not'' about fictitious forces in a rotating reference frame. It is about observation of a moving particle in planar motion. It can be viewed from a variety of frames. In contrast, the examples in [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] describe motion as seen strictly from a rotating frame, and, moreover, that article is devoted to objects in uniform circular motion, not in general planar motion. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 04:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
</ref> TransCanada projects the pipeline to be operational by late 2018, barring unforeseen obstacles.<ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/us/politics/11pipeline.html?ref=business "Palin’s Pipeline Is Years From Being a Reality "} New York Times Sept. 10, 2008</ref>


===$1200 refund checks for gasoline taxpayers ===
:::I don't see that we are reading the same article that is up for deletion. The lead says, and I quote: ''The centrifugal forces considered here arise when observing a moving particle from several different non-inertial frames''. So, unless your centrifugal force that the article is supposed to be about is to do with a non-inertial frame that doesn't rotate(!!!!), then that's exactly opposite to what the article itself claims. Therefore, I simply cannot reconcile your comments with what the article's lead itself claims.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 04:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
In June 2008, Governor Sarah Palin asked the Legislature to give Alaskans a special one-time payment of $1,200 to help with the high costs of energy. She said it will come out of the windfall the state is getting from high oil prices. The legislation was passed and signed into law by Gov. Palin in August of 2008.<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://www.adn.com/front/story/442702.html
|title=Palin's energy relief: $1,200 each
|author=Cockerham, Sean and Wesley Loy
|date=June 21, 2008
|work=[[Anchorage Daily News]]
|accessdate=2008-08-30}}</ref>


This replaces the proposal that Palin dropped to give Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. The governor said the debit cards were too expensive for the state to administer and wouldn't work in some rural Alaskan communities.<ref>{{cite news
::::Wolfkeeper: The article lead says "This article describes the centrifugal force that acts upon objects in planar motion when observed from non-inertial reference frames."
|author=Cockerham, Sean
|url=http://www.adn.com/politics/story/407821.html
|title=Palin wants to give Alaskans $100 a month to use on energy
|work=[[Anchorage Daily News]]
|date=May 16, 2008
}}</ref>


"As the fiscal year winds down, Alaskans are assured of surpluses beyond the billions of dollars put into savings and funding for priorities such as forward funding education and municipal revenue sharing," Palin said in a press release. "With savings and funding priorities covered, I am confident that Alaskans, who are the owners of our resources, can spend their resource revenue better than government can."
::::I believe you have adopted a very narrow meaning for "planar motion" and for "non-inertial frames" that is far more restricted than these terms imply, and also far narrower than the subject of the article. If you find this lead is unclear, the debate should be over modifying the lead, not over deleting the article because you have misconstrued its subject. Your remarks seems to imply that you think all non-inertial frames are rotating. Yes, the article discusses (in part) ''a non-inertial frame that doesn't rotate (!!!!)'' Please don't get rhetorical here. This is a serious matter. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 05:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


Palin is also proposing to suspend the eight-cent-a gallon state fuel tax for one year. Palin said she wants the Legislature to implement these things by September. {{Fact|date=September 2008}}
:::::Well, I simply believe you've done a content fork, and you're trying not to get it removed. The ''scope'' of the article as defined in the lead overlaps almost completely with [[centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] and the article body mostly contains the fraction of the material that was removed from there.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 16:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


==Environment==
::::::The rationale can be found at [[#rationale|this link]]. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 14:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
===Predator control===
[[Image:Canis lupus with radio collar.jpg|thumb|right|Wolf with Radio Collar]]
Bounties on wolves in Alaska date to at least 1915; in 1994, the Alaska State Legislature enacted the "Intensive Management Law," requiring management of wildlife for human consumptive use and authorizing specific management actions including "liberalizing hunting and trapping regulations for wolves and bears."<ref name="UnderstandingPredatorManagement">{{citation
|last=Alaska Department of Fish and Game
|title=Understanding Predator Management in Alaska
|year=2007
|pages=
| place = Juneau, Alaska
|publisher=Alaska Department of Fish and Game
|url=http://www.wildlifenews.alaska.gov/management/control/predator_booklet.pdf
|accessdate=[[2008-10-07]] }}</ref> In 2006 the [[Alaska Department of Fish and Game]] and The Board of Game extended areas in which the aerial hunting of wolves was allowed under the Predator Control Program. [[Friends of Animals]], [[Defenders of Wildlife]], the [[Alaska Wildlife Alliance]], and the [[Sierra Club]] sued the Department attempting to overturn the practice.<ref>[http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2008/2008-03-18-01.asp "Alaska Judge Upholds Aerial Wolf Killing But Limits Extent"] Environment News Service, March 18, 2008 </ref><ref>[http://www.adfg.state.ak.us/news/2006/1-16-06_nr.php "State Suspends Predator Control Programs in Response to Court Ruling" ] Alaska Department of Fish and Game </ref>


In 2007, Palin supported the Alaska Department of Fish and Game policy allowing the hunting of [[wolf|wolves]] from helicopters as part of a predator control program intended to increase [[moose]] populations, which many rural Alaskans subsist on.<ref name="oak001">{{cite news|title=Lawmaker seeks to ban wolf hunting from planes, copters|last=Bolstad|first=Erika|date=2007-09-26|publisher=Oakland Tribune|accessdate=2008-08-30}}</ref>
:::::::Nah.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 18:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
In March 2007, Palin's office announced that a bounty of $150 per wolf would be paid to the 180 volunteer pilots and gunners, to offset fuel costs. This drew protest among wildlife activists,<ref> deMarban, Alex [http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/story/8726730p-8628810c.html "State Puts Bounty on Wolves"] [[Anchorage Daily News]] March 21, 2007 </ref> who took the state to court and won. Though the activists failed to stop aerial hunting, a state judge forced the state to stop paying the bounty.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/wolves/story/204937.html|publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]]|date=2007-03-31|accessdate=2008-09-09|author=Alex deMarban|title=Judge orders state to stop wolf bounties}}</ref>


In May 2007 Palin introduced Bill 256 to streamline the Predator Program,<ref>[http://www.adfg.state.ak.us/news/2007/5-11-07_nr.php " Alaska Department of Game and Fish" ]ADF & G Press Release May 11, 2007</ref> and make it more difficult for conservation groups to sue the State. Critics of the bill claimed it removed scientific standards and claim the programs are expensive and not effective.<ref>[http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/wolves/story/298522.html "Palin wants to shoot down wolf lawsuits"] [[Anchorage Daily News]], January 30, 2008</ref>
'''Delete''' The less articles on centrifugal force the better. There are some issues to be discussed regarding what Brews has said. There is the issue of the fact that there are situations in which a centrifugal force is claimed to exist from the perspective of a rotating frame of reference, yet where no such centrifugal force exists from the perspective of polar coordinates in the inertial frame. Agreement may never be reached on whether such a centrifugal force does actually exist or not in the rotating frame in that scenario. But the issue should be discussed on the talk page of a unified article. There will probably be fringe sources supporting both points of view, and a consensus may be reached to avoid the controversy altogether since the mainstream textbooks tend to be silent on that issue.
The overall aim should be to have one drastically simplified article with distinct sections, and to minimize, but not necessarily eliminate the mention of Coriolis force and Euler force. [[User:David Tombe|David Tombe]] ([[User talk:David Tombe|talk]]) 01:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:There is some dispute, and it would be great to resolve it. I don't think the best approach to resolution is to delete pages that are inconvenient for some participants in the discussion. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 04:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, because creating fake distinctions among topics is much better idea.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 18:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


In August, 2007, both lawmakers and Governor Palin approved appropriating $400,000 from the state treasury to explain the aerial hunting program to Alaskans. Since Alaskans were voting the following year on an initiative restricting the practice to Department of Fish and Game personnel, many felt the funds were an attempt to influence the vote against the initiatve.<ref name=demarban400k> deMarban, Alex, [http://dwb.adn.com/outdoors/hunting/story/9253877p-9168881c.html "$400,000 approved to educate Alaskans about wolf killing"] [[Anchorage Daily News]] August 26, 2007</ref><ref> Stuart, Ben, [http://www.homernews.com/stories/042408/news_1_002.shtml "AFD&G takes another shot at predators"] homernews.com, top stories from Homer, Alaska, April 24, 2007</ref> Alaskans had passed similar measures in 1996 and 2000, each time with a two-year limit; after they expired the state legislature allowed the Game Board to resume the program. The program also allowed the fly-and-shoot, liberalized hunting of black bears with no bag limits in the same areas, in addition to the area from Anchorage across Cook Inlet in Game Unit 16, which allows the killing of sows and cubs as well as males.<ref name=demarban400k />
'''Comment'''. IMHO the centrifugal force article(s) on Wikipedia have grown excessively due to long-standing disputes and maybe a bit of original research. Perhaps a better solution would be to write a wikibook on centrifugal force and try to write ''one'' concise encyclopedic article for Wikipedia. --[[User:Itub|Itub]] ([[User talk:Itub|talk]]) 07:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science|list of Science-related deletion discussions]]. </small> <small>-- [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?!"</font>]] 11:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</small>


In March 2008 a federal judge upheld the aerial gunning program as a whole, while banning the practice in four areas covering up to 15,000 of the 60,000 square miles covered by the program. The judge said that before the Game Board extended predator control into new areas it had to make new findings on the wolves, caribou and bears in those areas.<ref>[http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2008/2008-03-18-01.asp "Alaska Judge Upholds Aerial Wolf Killing But Limits Extent"] Environment News Service March 18, 2008</ref><ref>[http://www.defenders.org/programs_and_policy/in_the_courts/legal_docket/alaska_wolf.php "AlaskaWolf- Defenders of Wildlife v. Alaska Board of Game"] Defenders of Wildlife</ref><ref>[http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?fb_page_id=5720973755&S=8019775 "Judge say Aerial Wolf Control Invalid in Several Areas"] Associated Press, March 14, 2008.</ref>
::We need to identify the key areas of conflict. I can point to at least three of these,
On August 26, 2008, Alaskans voted against ending the state's predator control program.<ref>{{cite news|title=Alaska voters shoot down predator control initiative|url=http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/26/alaska-voters-shoot-down-predator-control-initiati/|work=newsminer.com |publisher=Fairbanks Daily News-Miner |date=2008-08-27 |accessdate=2008-09-01 }}</ref>


===Endangered species===
::(1) The issue of whether the fictitious forces as derived for the purposes of rotating frames have restrictions on their applicability. I have suggested that the terms only apply to situations in which the objects in question possess the same actual rotation as the rotating frame itself. In other words, any actual effect arises from actual rotation.
[[Image:Polar Bear 2004-11-15.jpg|right|thumb|A polar bear]]
::(2) There is the issue concerning the fact that centrifugal force becomes inertia when we use Cartesian coordinates. I have been advocating that polar cordinates are the only realistic way of describing the centrifugal force effect.
====Polar Bears====
::(3) There is the issue of what has been described in these articles as 'reactive centrifugal force'. It is a knock on effect, just as weight is to gravity. Some have argued that since reactive centrifugal force doesn't act on the same object as centrifugal force, then they must be something completely different, deserving of two separate pages. I would say that the so-called reactive centrifugal force would show up implicitly in any coherent and well written article on centrifugal force without the need to even bring attention to the concept in its own right.
In December 2007, Palin wrote an opinion column in which she described her opposition to the listing of [[polar bears]] as a [[threatened species]] under the [[Endangered Species Act]], stating her position was based on a review of expert opinion.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/238813.html |title=Alaska takes seriously its job of protecting polar bears |publisher=Adn.com |author=Gov. Sarah Palin |date=December 18, 2007 |accessdate=2008-09-08}}</ref> In it she stated that the polar bear population is more numerous now than it was forty years ago, and "there is insufficient evidence of polar bears becoming extinct in the foreseeable future."<ref> Palin, Sarah, [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin "Bearing Up"] [[The New York Times]], January 5, 2008 </ref> Alaskan state biologists<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.adn.com/polarbears/story/416432.html |title=E-mail reveals state dispute over polar bear listing: Polar Bear News |publisher=Adn.com |author=Tom Kizzia |date=May 25, 2008 |accessdate=2008-09-08}}</ref> and environmental groups<ref name="Joling">{{cite news|url=http://www.adn.com/polarbears/story/413710.html|title=State will sue over polar bear listing, Palin says|last=Joling|first=Dan|date=2008-05-22|publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]]|accessdate=2008-08-30}}</ref> disagreed with Palin's position. After Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican Secretary of the [[United States Department of the Interior]] listed the bear as [[threatened species|threatened]] on [[May 14]], [[2008]], Palin sued the federal government, claiming that the listing would adversely affect energy development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts, while again questioning the scientific basis for the listing.<ref name="Joling"/><ref>http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5689165&page=1</ref>
Palin claimed the scientists found no ill effects of global warming on the polar bear. Rick Steiner, a University professor of Alaska, sought the e-mail messages of the state scientists who had examined the effects of global warming on the bears, and was informed his request would cost $466,784 to process. Through a federal records request, he was able to obtain the e-mails and he found that the scientists supported the fact that the bears were in danger.<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=2&sq=palin&st=cse&scp=4&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Once elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes] The New York Times, Sept 13, 2008.</ref>


On August 28, 2008, the [[American Petroleum Institute]], the [[National Association of Manufacturers]], the [[United States Chamber of Commerce]], and the [[American Iron and Steel Institute]] joined Alaska's suit to revert the listing of the polar bear as a threatened species. The issue at hand is a rule implemented by the federal government at the time the status of the Polar Bear was changed to threatened. The rule is to prevent the polar bear's status from being used as a tool for imposing greenhouse gas limits; it exempts projects in all states except Alaska from undergoing review in relation to emissions.
::The aim should be for a united article, and all discussions towards that end should be on the talk page of centrifugal force (rotating frames of reference) since that is the page from which all the forks emerged, and since that is the page that google hits direct us to.[[User:David Tombe|David Tombe]] ([[User talk:David Tombe|talk]]) 14:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
The [[Center for Biological Diversity]], is also suing the federal government , to change the Polar Bear status from threatened to endangered. They denounced the Alaska suit's claim that science does not prove polar bear populations are declining.
<ref>[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083001538.html "Oil Group Joins Alaska in Suing to Overturn Polar Bear Protection"] [[The Washington Post]] August 31, 2008 </ref>


====Beluga Whales====
David: You raise some interesting points that require attention, but all that matters for this particular debate is this very specific question: "Is [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] a [[Wikipedia:Content_forking|content fork]] of [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]]?" There is, in fact, no basis for considering it a content fork. For example,
{{double image|right|Belugas.jpg|160|Wpdms shdrlfi020l cook inlet with arms.jpg|160|Beluga Whales|'''Cook Inlet''' stretches {{convert|180|mi|km}} from the [[Gulf of Alaska]] to [[Anchorage, Alaska|Anchorage]] in south-central [[Alaska]].<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://www.crrel.usace.army.mil/sid/hopkins_files/Seaice/Cook_inlet.htm
|title=Cook Inlet, Alaska
|publisher=
|accessdate=2007-02-03
}}</ref>}}


Palin has opposed, on economic grounds, the designation of the Cook Inlet [[beluga whale]] as an endangered species.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837868,00.html|title=Palin on the Environment: Far Right|date=2008-09-01|accessdate=2008-09-04|publisher=Time|author=Bryan Walsh}}</ref> Palin cited state scientists who claimed that hunting was the only factor causing the whales' decline and that the hunting has been effectively controlled through cooperative agreements with Alaska Native organizations.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://gov.state.ak.us/archive-24287.html|title=Governor Palin Urges Feds to not list Belugas as Endangered|publisher=State of Alaska|date=2007-08-07|accessdate=2008-09-03}}</ref> Recent research suggests that despite hunting controls beluga whales in Cook's Inlet remain severely depleted and at high risk of extinction.<ref name="NMFS2008">{{cite web|url=http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/statusreviews/belugawhale_cookinlet.pdf|title=2008 Status Review and Extinction Risk Assessment of Cook Inlet Belugas|publisher=U.S. Department of Commerce|date=April 2008|accessdate=2008-09-07}}</ref><ref>Hunter, Don. [http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/wildlife/marine/story/8547228p-8440951c.html "Cook Inlet beluga whales in decline"] [[Anchorage Daily News]], January 8, 2008</ref>
1. The above link to Wiki definition of forking says:
''it is generally acceptable to have different levels of detail of a subject on different pages, provided that each provides a balanced view of the subject matter.''


== Budget ==
There can be little doubt that the level of discussion is more mathematical and more detailed on [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] than on [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]].
===State===
[[Image:Sarah Palin Kuwait 13.jpg|right|thumb|Palin in [[Kuwait]] visiting soldiers of the [[Alaska National Guard]], July 24, 2007.]]Palin followed through on a [[campaign promise]] to sell the [[Westwind II]] jet purchased (on a state government credit account, against the wishes of the Legislature) by the Murkowski administration for $2.7 million in 2005. In August 2007 the jet was listed on [[eBay]]; although with no buyer found on eBay, it was later sold for $2.1 million through a private brokerage firm to a campaign contributer.<ref>{{cite web|title=Governor's Plane Wasn't Sold on Ebay|publisher=Washington Post|date=2008-09-06|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090503722.html?referrer=digg|accessdate=2008-09-08}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |title=No bidders on eBay; sold it offline |url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/691/ |publisher=PolitiFact.com |accessdate=2008-09-05}}</ref>


She also canceled a contract for the construction of an {{convert|11|mi|km|adj=on}} gravel road outside Juneau to a mine, reversing a decision made in the closing days of the Murkowski administration.<ref>{{cite web |accessdate=2008-08-29
2 .The above link to Wiki definitions says:
|url=http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=5818166&ClientType=Printable
''Articles on distinct but related topics may well contain a significant amount of information in common with one another. This does not make either of the two articles a content fork.''
|title=Palin cancels contracts for pioneer road to Juneau
|author=McAllister, Bill
|date=December 14, 2006
|publisher=ktuu.com
}}</ref>


In June 2007, Palin signed into law a $6.6&nbsp;billion operating budget—the largest in Alaska's history.<ref name="Shinohara">{{cite news
There may be some overlap between the articles, but the amount of overlap is ''way below'' "significant". For example, [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] deals with the non-inertial frame attached to the moving particle and with the co-rotating frame. Each of these examples brings out a very important aspect of centrifugal force for planar motion not addressed in the other article. Another example, [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] discusses a variety of coordinate systems, including the arc-length and curvilinear coordinate systems. The other article does not. [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] contains Figures not in the other article, illustrating points not raised in the other article.
|url=http://dwb.adn.com/opinion/story/9137864p-9054054c.html
|accessdate=2007-12-27
|last=Shinohara|first=Rosemary
|title=No vetoes here
|work=[[Anchorage Daily News]]
|date=July 16, 2007
}}</ref> At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237&nbsp;million in cuts represented over 300 local projects and reduced the construction budget to nearly $1.6&nbsp;billion.<ref>{{cite news
|url=http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/070807/hom_20070708005.shtml
|accessdate=2008-09-01
|title=Lawmakers cringe over governor's deep budget cuts
|last=Bradner |first=Tim
|date=July 8, 2007
|work=Alaska Journal of Commerce
}}</ref> In 2008 Palin vetoed $286 million in funds for 350 projects from the FY09 capital budget, or 13% of the total budget.<ref name="adn budget">{{cite news
|url=http://www.adn.com/legislature/story/415749.html
|accessdate=2008-09-15
|title=Palin's veto ax lops $268 million from budget
|last=Cockerham |first=Sean
|date=May 24, 2008
|work=Anchorage Daily News
}}</ref> The ''[[Anchorage Daily News]]'' said the cuts "may be the biggest single-year line-item veto total in state history."<ref name="adn budget"/>


===Personal===
In short, this motion to delete on the basis of [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] being a content fork of [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] is groundless. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 15:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Palin lives in Juneau during the legislative session and lives in Wasilla and works out of offices in Anchorage the rest of the year. Since the office in Anchorage is far from Juneau, while she works there she is legally entitled to a $58 ''per diem'' travel allowance, which she has taken (a total of $16,951), and to reimbursement for hotels, which she has not, choosing instead to drive about 50&nbsp;miles to her home in Wasilla.<ref name="wash-post-nights">{{cite news |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html |title=Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home |work=The Washington Post |author=Grimaldi, James V. | co-authors=Vick, Karl |date=2008-09-09 |accessdate=2008-09-09}}</ref> She also chose not to use the former governor's private chef.<ref>''The Anchorage Daily News'', January 20, 2008: Palin does not use the governor's private chef, whom Palin transferred to the Lounge of the State Legislature.</ref> In response to criticism for taking the ''per diem'', and for $43,490 in travel expenses for the times her family accompanied her on state business, the governor's staffers said that these practices were in line with state policy, that Palin's gubernatorial expenses are 80% below those of her predecessor, Frank Murkowski,<ref>Luo, Michael; and Leslie Wayne. [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/politics/10billing.html Palin Aides Defend Billing State for Time at Home]. ''[[New York Times]]'', 2008-09-09.</ref> and that "many of the hundreds of invitations Palin receives include requests for her to bring her family, placing the definition of 'state business' with the party extending the invitation."<ref name="wash-post-nights">{{cite news |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html |title=Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home |work=The Washington Post |author=Grimaldi, James V. | co-authors=Vick, Karl |date=2008-09-09 |accessdate=2008-09-09}}</ref>


=== Matanuska Maid Dairy ===
:The article was only created after material was removed from the primary article, and largely consists of material that was removed by consensus from there. '''That's a content fork.''' Content forks are highly undesirable in the wikipedia, and I strongly encourage everyone to vote for the removal.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 16:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
In April 2007, the state Board of Agriculture and Conservation (BAC) approved a request for $600,000 for a review of the operating expenses of the Matanuska Maid Dairy, an unprofitable state-owned business,<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.webcitation.org/5act9Rnjf |publisher=Alaska Journal of Commerce |date=April 29, 2007 |title=Approval for funds could lead to sale of Mat Maid dairy |first=Rob |last=Stapleton }}</ref> and forwarded the request to the state legislature for funding. The Alaska Creamery Board, which oversaw the dairy and made the request, met in May and discussed privatizing or possibly closing the dairy.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.webcitation.org/5acsBLvMD |publisher=Alaska Journal of Commerce |date=May 13, 2007 |title=Mat Maid a step closer to becoming a private-sector dairy |first=Rob |last=Stapleton }}</ref> It subsequently voted to close the dairy, and on June 13 rejected Palin's public request that it keep the dairy open, saying it stood by its decision to close the dairy plant as July 7.<ref>{{cite news |publisher=Anchorage Daily News |first=S.J. |last=Komarnitsky|date=June 13, 2007 |url=http://www.webcitation.org/5acsE8XHu |title=Mat Maid board rejects Palin plea to stay open}}</ref>


On June 18, Palin replaced the entire membership of the BAC,<ref>{{cite news|publisher=Anchorage Daily News |url=http://www.webcitation.org/5acsMwJJ7 |first=S.J. |last=Komarnitsky |date=June 19, 2008 |title=Palin looks to Mat-Su for board}}</ref> which then installed itself as the Creamery Board,<ref name="Komarnitsky-replace">{{cite news |first=S. J. |last=Komarnitsky |url=http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/matsu/story/9099429p-9015627c.html |title=State board votes to replace Mat Maid CEO |publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |date=2007-07-02 |accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref> and voted to keep the dairy open for for 90 days while reviewing options. On August 29, 2007, Palin announced that the business could not be made profitable and would be offered for sale. She said that the board could use the $600,000 approved by the legislature in June to help with the transition to a private operator.<ref name="Komarnitsky-sale">{{cite news |first=S. J. |last=Komarnitsky |url=http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/matsu/mat_maid/story/9261530p-9176496c.html |title=State to put Mat Maid dairy up for sale |publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |date=2007-08-30 |accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref> In November, the dairy received the $600,000 legislative funding.<ref name="Audit-Mar2008">{{cite web|url=http://www.legaudit.state.ak.us/pages/digests/2008/30049Adig.htm |author=Division of Legislative Audit|date=March 7, 2008 |title=Special Report on the Department of Natural Resources, Division of Agriculture, Agricultural Revolving Loan Fund, Matanuska Maid, Part 1, March 7, 2008}}</ref>
'''Keep'''. I think this article is an excellent supplement to the existing articles on classical mechanics. We should all be grateful to Brews Ohare for willing to spend so much time and effort here to write physics articles.


On December 7, with a required minimum bid of $3.35 million for the dairy, no bids were received, and all dairy operations were scheduled to close later that month.<ref name="ADN-nobids">{{cite news |url=http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/matsu/story/9504797p-9415550c.html |title=State gets no bids for Matanuska Maid |publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |date=2007-12-08 |accessdate=2008-09-01}}</ref> In August 2008, the Anchorage plant portion of the dairy was purchased for $1.5 million, the specified minimum bid. The new owners said that they planned to covert it to heated self-storage units. The sale of the company's bottle-making facility in [[Palmer, Alaska|Palmer]] was under consideration as of early September.<ref>{{cite news |first=S.J. |last=Komarnitsky |title=Mat Maid's Anchorage plant brings $1.5 million |url=http://www.adn.com/matmaid/story/502721.html |publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]] |date=2008-08-23 |accessdate=2008-09-05}}</ref>
I don't understand why the "content forking" issue is seen as a problem. Content forking is only a problem if someone's edits are deleted because the edits are wrong, not if they are too technical for the article. In this case, you don't want to write in an introductory article about centrifugal force about the Lagrangian approach, certainly not about the formalism of differential geometry.


==="Bridge to Nowhere"===
However, the Lagrangian formalism is the standard formalism to solve problems in classical mechanics. No one I know actually uses the cumbersome formalism presented in the wiki article about fictitious force for anything but the simplest cases, except perhaps if you are a first year physics student doing his homework.
In Palin's 2006 gubernatorial campaign, she supported the building of the proposed [[Gravina Island Bridge]], which had been nicknamed the "Bridge to Nowhere" because the island had only 50 residents. The bridge was intended to provide access to [[Ketchikan International Airport]]<ref name="Palin backed">{{cite news
|url=http://www.gannettnewsservice.com/?p=2448
|title=Palin backed ‘bridge to nowhere’ in 2006
|work=Gannett News Service
|author=Dilanian, Ken
|date=2008-08-31
|accessdate=2008-09-08}}</ref> and not the residential population of the island.


[[Image:palin_nowhere.jpg|thumb|left|On September 20, 2006, [[Sarah Palin]] visited [[Ketchikan]] on her gubernatorial campaign and said the bridge was essential for the town's prosperity.<ref>{{cite web
Wikipedia should be a place where an interested high school student should be able to read an article about fictitious force at his/her level, and it should be a place where a physics student can read an article that explains how one can write down the equations of motion for a particle moving in a rubber tube that is moving and deforming in some arbitrary way. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 15:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
|first=Tom
|last=Kizzia
|title=Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop
|publisher=Anchorage Daily News
|date=2008-08-30
|url=http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html
|accessdate=2008-09-10}}</ref>]] Members of the Alaskan congressional delegation, particularly Representative [[Don Young]] and Senator [[Ted Stevens]], were the bridge's biggest advocates in Congress, and helped push for federal funding. The project encountered fierce opposition outside of Alaska as a symbol of [[pork barrel]] spending.<ref>{{cite news
|title=Alaska: end sought for 'bridge to nowhere'
|url=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E7D81F3AF931A1575AC0A9619C8B63
|publisher=Associated Press, New York Times
|date=2007-09-22
|accessdate=2008-10-05}}</ref> In 2005,<ref>{{cite news
|title=Two 'bridges to nowhere' tumble down in congress
|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=k8UMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fGEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2320,5100277&dq=two-bridges-to-nowhere-tumble-down-in-congress
|publisher=The Victoria Advocate
|page=18a
|date=2005-11-24
|accessdate=2008-10-05}}</ref> [[United States Congress|Congress]] stripped the specific earmark allocation of federal funds for the two bridges, without changing the amount of money allocated for use by Alaska.<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/22/alaska.bridge.ap/
|date=[[2007-09-22]]
|work=CNN
|title='Bridge to nowhere' abandoned}}</ref> As a result, the money previously earmarked for this and another controversial project, the [[Knik Arm Bridge]], a total of $442 million, was to be made available for transportation projects generally.<ref name="Tumble">{{citation
|last=Hulse
|first=Carl
|title=Two 'Bridges to Nowhere' Tumble Down in Congress
|newspaper=[[The New York Times]]
|date=2005-11-17
|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/17/politics/17spend.html}} '''Registration required.'''</ref> The proposed Knik Arm Bridge is officially named "Don Young's Way" after Alaska Congressman [[Don Young]], in the original legislation.


The next year, Palin ran for Governor on a "build-the-bridge" platform, arguing that it was essential for local prosperity.<ref>{{cite news
:So, if I understand you correctly, you agree that this is a content fork. You also seem to say that a high school student should be able to read the article, but I wasn't aware that Lagrangians were really high school level material.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 16:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
|url=http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/palin.track.record/?iref=hpmostpop
|publisher=[[CNN]]
|title=Palin's maverick trail goes from city hall to gov's mansion
|date=2008-09-02
|accessdate=2008-09-02}}</ref> She said in August 2006: "We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge, and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative."<ref name="Palin backed"/> In October 2006, when asked, "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?", she answered: "Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."<ref name="where-they-stand">{{citation
|title=Where they stand (10/22/2006)
|newspaper=[[Anchorage Daily News]]
|year=2008
|date=2008-08-29
|url=http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/510378.html}}</ref> She also criticized the use of the word "nowhere" as insulting to local residents.<ref name="Stance"/><ref>{{citation |title=Where they stand (10/22/2006)| newspaper = [[Anchorage Daily News]] |year=2008 |date=August 29, 2008|url=http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/510378.html}}</ref>


Congress did not, however, reinstate the earmark for the bridge. In September 2007, with no federal money available, Palin removed the state's portion of the cost from her proposed budget. She stated:
:My concerns are that the article was only created when material was removed from the centrifugal force and follows none of the norms for content forks that are outlined at [[WP:Content forking#What content/POV forking is not]], and is not on any well-defined encyclopedic topic, and the introduction reads like a content fork when you compare it with the original article.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 16:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


<blockquote>"[[Ketchikan]] desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer. [...] Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that [[United States Congress|Congress]] has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and [[Gravina Island]]. [...] Much of the public’s attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."<ref>{{cite web
::No, what I'm saying is that wikipedia should have articles at different levels suitable for people ranging from complete lay persons to profdessional physicists. Should we delete an article useful to students just because there exists an article on the same topic, but which is written for kindergarten level students? [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 16:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
|url=http://gov.state.ak.us/archive-28635.html
|title=Gravina Access Project Redirected
|accessdate=2008-10-05
|date=2007-09-21
|publisher=State of Alaska Governor}}</ref></blockquote>


Her switch allowed the state to use the federal money for other transportation projects.<ref name="Stance">{{cite news
:::We're not supposed to invent terms just to keep professional physicists happy, no. This is an encyclopedia which is primarily intended for a general audience, not a highly specialised one. If there are aspects of the topic that are especially complex they need to go in subarticles or be referred out to a full treatment where that's more appropriate, not by creating content forks and pretending that they're new topics entirely.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 17:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
|url=http://www.adn.com/politics/story/511471.html
|title=Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop
|work=Anchorage Daily News
|author=Tom Kizzia
|date=2008-08-31
|accessdate=2008-09-08}}</ref> Palin did, however, continue constrution of an access road on Gravina Island, which would have linked to the bridge but now goes only to an empty beach; federal money for the access road, unlike the bridge money, would have otherwise been returned to the federal government.<ref name="Stance"/>


According to [[Reuters]], Palin's decision to cancel the bridge "earn[ed] her admirers from earmark critics and budget hawks from around the nation. The move also thrust her into the spotlight as a reform-minded newcomer."<ref name=Angers>{{cite news
::::Hey, keeping a professional physicist happy is tougher than inventing terms. :-) You appear to be recommending creation of a broad summary page referring out to several branch articles. That would supplement the existing disambiguation page, and be linked by it, right? [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 18:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
|last=Rosen
|first=Yereth
|title=Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans
|publisher=Reuters
|date=2008-09-01
|url=http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901
|work=Reuters
|accessdate=2008-09-05}}</ref> In an article titled, "Bridge leads McCain to running mate Palin", the [[Associated Press]] said canceling the bridge was "the first identifiable link connecting Palin and McCain," soon followed by "whispers of Palin being an ideal GOP running mate."<ref name="bridge-mccain-palin">{{cite news
|url=http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20080829-1718-wst-bridgetonowhere.html
|publisher=[[Associated Press]]
|title=Bridge leads McCain to running mate Palin
|last=Quinn
|first=Steve
|date=2008-08-29
|accessdate=2008-09-02}}</ref><ref name="opposing-bridge-endeared-palin-to-mccain">{{cite news
|url=http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/01/america/palin.php
|publisher=[[International Herald Tribune]]
|title=Opposing Alaska bridge endeared Palin to McCain
|last=Kirkpatrick
|first=David
|coauthors=Larry Rohter
|date=2008-09-01
|accessdate=2008-09-02}}</ref>


Although she canceled the bridge, Palin spent $25 million from the $223 million earmark to build the road on Gravina Island to an empty beach where the bridge would have gone. State officials said "they were going ahead with the $25 million road because the money would otherwise have to be returned to the federal government."<ref name="An Apostle of Alaska">{{cite news
:::::I doubt it.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 18:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
|url=http://www.newsweek.com/id/157696/page/3
|title=An Apostle of Alaska
|work=Newsweek
|date=2008-09-06
|accessdate=2008-09-08}}</ref><ref name="bridge-nowhere">{{cite news
|url=http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html
|publisher=[[Anchorage Daily News]]
|last=Kizzia
|first=Tom
|title=Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' does not note flip-flop
|date=2008-08-31
|accessdate=2008-08-31}}</ref><ref name="where-they-stand" /><ref name=Angers/> The cancellation of the bridge did not lead Palin to return any of the remaining $197 million in the earmark to the Federal Government. Palin's Ketichikan campaign coordinator Mike Elerding, says, "She said 'thanks but no thanks,' but they kept the money."<ref name=Angers/> According to Palin’s communications director Bill McAlister, the bridge "isn't necessarily dead"; it may still be built with "a less costly design". Palin changed her mind on the bridge, he said, when "she saw that Alaska was being perceived as taking from the country and not giving, and that impression bothered her and she wants to change it. [...] I think that Sarah Palin is someone who has the courage to re-evaluate situations as they developed."<ref name="Palin backed"/> Palin said through her spokesperson that the road would open territory for development.<ref>Kizzia, Tom. [http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html
"Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-
flop"], ''Anchorage Daily News'' ([[2008-08-31]])</ref> A McCain-Palin
spokesperson said that "because the contract for the road was already
signed before she got into office, the governor was left no viable
alternative."<ref>[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/23/ec.01.html
"Bailout Negotiations Continue; FBI Targets Wall Street
Firms" (Transcipt)], CNN ([[2008-09-23]]).</ref> The Alaska Department
of Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration state that the contract could have been cancelled at minimal cost and that the federal money could have been returned to Congress for other uses, if the road had been cancelled when Palin took office in December 2006, but the bridge to the island was not cancelled until September 2007.<ref>http://www.propublica.org/article/palin-defends-construction-of-road-to-nowhere-925/
. Citation contains CNN's photograph of the terminal point of the
Gravina Island Highway, nicknamed the "Road to Nowhere"</ref>


In her nomination acceptance speech, Palin said: "I told the Congress 'thanks, but no thanks,' for that Bridge to Nowhere."<ref>{{cite web
'''Key question''' – I haven't studied the citation or this discussion yet enough to know if it has been addressed, but I think the key question is whether the distinction between these two articles is a distinction that can be found in a reliable source. Can someone point out a source that makes such a distinction, as opposed to just different sources that adopt diffferent approaches to centrifugal force? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 16:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
|url=http://portal.gopconvention2008.com/speech/details.aspx?id=38
|title=Remarks as Prepared for Delivery by Alaska Governor Sarah Palin
|publisher=2008 Republican National Convention
|date=2008-09-03
|accessdate=2008-09-08}}</ref> McCain-Palin television advertisements also claim Palin "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere."<ref>{{cite news
|url=http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/08/politics-of-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx
|title=The Politics of the 'Bridge to Nowhere'
|work=Stumper
|publisher=''Newsweek''
|last=Romano
|first=Andrew
|date=2008-09-08
|accessdate=2008=09-08}} The Washington Post called the claim a "whopper," and the New Republic considered it as "a naked lie."</ref> Ketchikan's Mayor Bob Weinstein has criticized Palin for using the term 'Bridge to Nowhere' in her vice-presidential nomination acceptance speech because Palin had termed that name for the bridge "insulting" during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign, when she campaigned on her original "build the bridge" platform.<ref>{{cite web
|last=Rosen
|first=Yereth
|title=Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans
|publisher=Reuters
|date=2008-09-01
|url=http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901
|accessdate=2008-09-05}}</ref>


===Earmarks===
:I really, really doubt that there's anything like that out there that says that there's distinct sorts of centrifugal force 'planar' and 'non planar'.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 16:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Alaska's federal congressional representatives cut back on [[pork-barrel]] project requests during Palin's time as governor, however Alaska is still the largest per-capita recipient of federal earmarks, requesting nearly $750 million in special federal spending over two years and obtaining $295 per Alaska resident from the federal government.<ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26611103/</ref><ref>The Associated Press, Woodward Calvin, http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ici5RhMkh6-9V07yckpLBEEjzf6QD932MU100</ref>


In the 2008 budget year, Palin requested $256 million in federal earmarks,{{Dubious|date=September 2008}} and her requests for the 2009 budget total $197 million.<ref>Seattle Times "Palin's earmark requests: more per person than any other state" http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008154532_webpalin02m.html</ref><ref>Associated Press: Taylor, Andrew, "Palins Pork Requests Confound Image" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_earmarks</ref>
::This is a key question. Wiki guidelines say: ''Summary style articles, with sub-articles giving greater detail, are not content forking, provided that all the sub-articles, and the summary conform to Neutral Point of View.'' Maybe some such summary style article is needed? [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 17:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
<ref>[http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/11/1377812.aspx "TrooperGate back in the News " MSNBC First Read September 11, 2008 by Mark Murray</ref>


==Lobbyists==
:::Possibly, but this isn't. It's simply a content fork.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 17:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Palin has given jobs to friends and appointed lobbyists to oversee industries they used to represent; she appointed a fund-raiser of hers, Deborah Richter, as director of the [[Alaska Permanent Fund]] Dividend Division. Palin hired Cora Crome, who had worked for industry lobbying group United Fishermen of Alaska, as her fisheries-policy adviser.<ref>{{cite web
|first=Jeffrey
|last=Bartholet
|coauthors=Karen Breslau; Andrew Murr; Mark Hosenball; Suzanne Smalley; Michael Isikoff; Michael Hirsh; Daniel Stone; Holly Bailey; Lisa Miller; Sarah Kliff; Katie Paul
|url=http://www.newsweek.com/id/157696/page/4
|title=Sarah Palin: an apostle of Alaska
|work=Newsweek.com
|date=2008-09-06
|accessdate=2008-10-05}}</ref>


== See also ==
:::Brews, I'm inviting you to answer it. Since it's your fork, please tell us what source this kind of fork comes from. If there's no source for splitting the treatment of centrifugal force this way, then I don't see why we should do it. The issue of doing a summary and subarticles seems completely independent – an alternative proposal. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 19:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* [[Mayoralty of Sarah Palin]]
{{anchor|rationale}}
* [[Electoral history of Sarah Palin]]
::::'''Rationale''': Well, as explained elsewhere in this discussion, there is no claim that there are "distinct sorts" of centrifugal force, "planar" or otherwise. The idea is simply that the topic is broad and a division of topics seems to make for a more useful discussion. The division is helpful in separating simple examples from the more complex.
* [[Political positions of Sarah Palin]]
::::It places a number of popular and simple examples on the page [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]]. These examples employ constant angular rotation about a fixed axis of rotation. Probably this page will be accessible to most readers and will be sufficient for their purposes.
::::However, a great many topics are not covered. Some of these are now on [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]], and are discussed, not in the context of uniform rotation about a fixed axis, but in the context of a particle moving in an arbitrary path on a plane with arbitrary time-dependence. These examples are not a re-hash of what was said on the other page, and present some significant new results and approaches.
::::[[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] is more demanding of the reader, and probably not everyone will look at it. So its separation from [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] is based largely upon expectation of a different audience.
::::For a broad subject, a division of some kind seems useful. I do not think this particular division is followed by any particular textbook, but then they have a thousand pages to do stuff, and their division is affected by that fact. They also expect a committed readership (students, maybe), and not browsers with varying degrees of interest and background.
::::In any event, [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] certainly is not a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CFORK content fork], and covers different material intended for a different audience with a different background. As said at the link just cited: ''It is generally acceptable to have different levels of detail of a subject on different pages, provided that each provides a balanced view of the subject matter.'' and: ''Articles on distinct but related topics may well contain a significant amount of information in common with one another.'' However successfully this pair of pages covers the subject, deleting one of them is not going to improve matters. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 23:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Insertion of response from Dicklyon added at bottom of page that seems pertinent here: [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 00:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::<s>Given that the other article is already 68 KB, I agree that some kind of division is needed. And a division based on this more general and more complex approach makes some sense. And there's some interesting content here. So the discussion really ought to be more general, about organization and naming; deletion doesn't seem like a logical way to address the problem. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 00:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)</s>


== References ==
::::::Great, now you're even content forking ''other people's comments!!!''- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 02:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
{{reflist|2}}
{{Sarah Palin}}
{{Governors of Alaska}}


[[Category:Sarah Palin]]
::::::Addressing the points. This article doesn't address a balanced view of the subject matter, it artificially restricts itself to a subset of the material that 'just happens' to match the material deleted from the main article. It's like an article [[Brown horse (white feet)]]. In some cases, where a brown horse with white feet might have some genetic trait that make the topic notable it might be fair enough to create an article on a restricted topic. There's nothing like that here. The "(planar motion)" sic works just the same as any other centrifugal force in a coordinate system.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 20:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Of course the article treats a "subset of the material"; how could a finite length article do otherwise? That length restriction is not evidence for a lack of balance, ''per se''. Lack of balance suggests one view of something is unfairly emphasized. If you believe that, provide support. Mere assertion is insufficient.
:::::::The rationale provided at this [[#rationale|link]] explains why the article has been separated from [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]]. Instead of inventing straw men, address the issues. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 21:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

'''Provisional Keep''' My own comment above was this rather involved article would require the attention of an expert in the field, as I am unable to read/understand the article and make a determination as to whether the content is accurate or not. But that flaw is my own and not the article's, as I am not an advanced mathematician. But I did not know that Wiki was designed with the goal of being understood by high school students. I would think that like any encyclodia, if a subject being covered requires the language and explanations of that subject matter, as long as it is accurate and sourced it may be included. Again, this requires the attention of experts in that field... and hopefully such experts will come forward and qualify theeir expertise when making an educated comments. If the author states that it is not a content fork, I will assume good faith that it is not so. That it contains informations removed from a seperate article, should not defacto make it a fork, as the language of mechanical physics is universal to the subject. As for "content forking", I am of the opinion if a parent article was so lengthy and in-depth that informations were removed in the interest of simplicity/clarity/length, it would make sense to then have a second article that covered the removed informations if they were important enough to merit aa seperate article. Not using any specific [[WP:WAX]], there are satelite articles for other subjects that cover aspects of their parent articles. This may well be the same. But again, I do not have the technical expertise to know one way or the other. My keep is "provsional" as I watch this AfD. The article does not look or feel like a hoax. It is well sourced. In the field of mechanical or astrometric physics it may be a notable as Tom Crise's latest film. Perspective gentlemen... perspective. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 16:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:The problem is that it's not advertising or describing itself as a satellite of the main article, it's saying that it's a ''different'' sort of centrifugal force. But it self evidently is ''not'' that.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 16:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Good. Then as an independent article, that should be fixed and the article remain. Cleanup is never a valid reason for deletion. Was this discussed in the article's talk page? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 19:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::::The problem is, because it's a content fork, ''it's not an independent article'', neither in scope, nor material. And yes, the removal of this sort of material was discussed in [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]].- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 02:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::Your objection might be met by rewriting the intro. The article [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] is not intended to indicate it deals with a fundamentally different kind of centrifugal force; its intention is to deal with the determination of the centrifugal force for the case of general planar motion as seen from a variety of non-inertial frames. Maybe an analogy is finding the bandwidth in two different amplifier designs: bandwidth is still bandwidth, but its dependence on the circuit variables is different. For example, in a frame attached to the particle, centrifugal force is related to the center of curvature of the path; in a co-rotating frame it is related to the distance of the particle from the origin of the frame. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 17:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC).
::::Exactly. A rewrite addresses this concern. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 19:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::Oh well, if it's only a ''rewrite'' of all this consensus-deleted material and the introduction that's all right then.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 21:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::... and the article title. Hint: I'm being ironic.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 18:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I can't actually find any connection between the lead and the body, they actually talk about different things. The body is just material removed from the main article, and the lead is just the original lead with a few words changed here and there to make the content fork less obvious. Apparently a lot of people are being taken in by this ruse.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 17:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Then the lead can be nodified to nore coherently (in your opinion) flow into the body. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 19:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::No, articles are supposed to be on ''a topic''. There's no overarching topic.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 21:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::::The lead is not the issue; the content of the article is the issue, and it is not a content fork according to the directly quoted excerpts from [[Wikipedia:Content_forking|content fork]]. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 18:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Then if its not a fork, what's the deal? '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 19:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::The deal is that most of this material was previously in another article. But Oh dear, it got deleted, but that's OK, we can always OR up a completely non standard topic, add it to the disambiguation page, and add that to the wikipedia, right?- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 21:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::All the topics discussed on [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] are standard topics and are cited extensively. They are grouped together here as they apply to a particular subject, namely general planar motion of a particle. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 23:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::As it says in [[WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary]] encyclopedia articles are on '''a''' (singular) topic, not ''all the topics''; '''A''' topic.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 02:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::As noted at [[#rationale|this link]], the topic for one page is centrifugal force in the context of a uniformly rotating reference frame with fixed axis, and the topic for the second page is centrifugal force in the context of general planar motion of a particle as seen from various reference frames and employing various coordinate systems. In no way does this division contradict any guidelines in [[WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary]]. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 14:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::B******s.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 18:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

'''Keep''': It seems to me like [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] is about the centrifugal force that comes about in a uniformly rotating reference frame, and [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] is about the centrifugal force in reference frames in general motion. The second is more general, the first is simpler and more often used. Sure, I think there's room for improvement in explaining the scope and divvying up the content of both articles, but I don't think deletion is called for. --[[User:Sbyrnes321|Steve]] ([[User talk:Sbyrnes321|talk]]) 17:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::Unfortunately for this theory, the original article covers non uniformly rotating reference frames as well, and does it in 3-space, whereas this one only covers the bits that were removed, and only then in 2D.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 17:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:::No material has been created that deals with particle motion on 3-D space curves; of course, it could be done, but involves some additional vectors and concepts from differential geometry. I doubt that added complexity would affect your point of view positively. 2-D planar motion is a half-way house.

::::The maths in the original article deals with ''all'' 3-D space curves as you well know, including the subset that are 2-D.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 21:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::Maybe you could provide a link to the old material you refer to. I am saying no material for 3D motion analogous to the arc-length description [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force_(planar_motion)#Centrifugal_force_in_a_local_coordinate_system here] has been developed. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 15:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::Wolfkeeper, I'm confused, are you saying that [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] has a discussion of non uniformly rotating reference frames? If so, I don't see it.... Thanks, --[[User:Sbyrnes321|Steve]] ([[User talk:Sbyrnes321|talk]]) 20:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::There's ''no'' special equation or behaviour for centrifugal force for non uniformly rotating reference frames. The article doesn't limit itself to uniformly rotating reference frames in any way.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 20:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I assume you mean to say that [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] "doesn't limit itself to uniformly rotating reference frames in any way." Having written all the examples and provided all the figures for these examples with the exception of [[Centrifugal_force_(rotating_reference_frame)#Potential_energy|potential energy]], I am confident that they deal with uniform rotation. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 21:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Of course, even the 2-D planar motion examples agree with Steve's description of the article [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] as more general, though less often used than [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]]. Again, not a content fork. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 18:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

We first have to decide if the two centrifugal forces are the same or not. If they are the same, then there should only be one article. If they can be shown to be different, then that might make a case for having two articles. However, if there is an endless dispute about whether or not they are the same or different, it means that the two are sufficiently associated together to be presented in different sections of the same article.
The claim for them being different is that in 'rotating frames' there is a school of thought that the centrifugal force applies to every object irrespective of its relative motion, whereas it is only in the case of co-rotation that this centrifugal force coincides with the outward force of planetary orbits. It is this latter effect which is the centrifugal force as is understood by the man in the street.
Quality university textbooks such as Goldstein's are silent on the issue of whether or not centrifugal force in rotating frames applies to objects that are not co-rotating. But all the worked examples assume co-rotation. Any examples that involve the Earth's rotation will always assume co-rotation.
There are however websites and scientific journal articles which specifically focus on the idea that centrifugal force acts on objects at rest in the inertial frame as observed from a rotating frame. There are also scientific journals which claim the opposite and state that centrifugal force is something which applies to objects that are at rest in a rotating frame of reference.
In order to resolve this dispute, I would draw attention to centrifugal potential energy. It only occurs when absolute rotation occurs. The counter argument is that centrifugal force as observed on an object at rest in the inertial frame is overridden by a radially inward Coriolis force. But we would then need to have a Coriolis potential energy in order to cancel out the centrifugal potential energy. And the Coriolis potential energy would have to be a tension. No such thing exists.
That is the argument that needs to be resolved as a priority.
I say '''DON'T KEEP''' because I believe that there is only one universal centrifugal force. It is the outward force associated with absolute rotation. [[User:David Tombe|David Tombe]] ([[User talk:David Tombe|talk]]) 18:58, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:Aside from various side-issues, your argument is simply "If the topics are the same, then one page should suffice." However, completely putting to one side for the moment whether this premise is valid, the conclusion is not valid. Quoting [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_forking content forking] ''it is generally acceptable to have different levels of detail of a subject on different pages, provided that each provides a balanced view of the subject matter.''

:In addition to false conclusion, the premise is false. One page treats a limited subset of examples, the other a more general set. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 22:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::Given that the other article is already 68 KB, I agree that some kind of division is needed. And a division based on this more general and more complex approach makes some sense. And there's some interest content here. So the discussion really ought to be more general, about organization and naming; deletion doesn't seem like a logical way to address the problem. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 00:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:::So far as I am concerned, this content fork does not constitute an article. In that sense it must be deleted. I don't mind if the material finds somewhere more appropriate, but this 'article' is a charade.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 00:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::::I'm disturbed that you believe pronouncements supported only by your say-so are a contribution to the discussion. It would be more appropriate to engage with the alternatives to deletion suggested on this page, please. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]])

:::::So you're claiming to be disturbed that an ''Article For Delete'' discussion consists of people arguing for and against deletion???-([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 18:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::Nope; just disturbed by the quality of argument. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 20:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Dicklyon, The problem about the 68KB could easily be remedied by drastically simplifying the article. There is not that much to centrifugal force. It is the outward force associated with rotation. All we need is a few examples such as the centrifuge, artificial gravity and planetary orbits.
The existing section on centrifugal potential energy, which is the most interesting section in the whole article, should of course be retained. It's a pity that the lesson inherent in that section has been to no avail so far.

There is no end of stuff that could be removed from all the existing articles. I have never before seen descriptions of simple circular motion situations that involve the Coriolis force.
I don't know what you mean about the more complex approach. The existing articles don't even touch on complex scenarios such as elliptical orbits. Any semblance of complexity merely reflects an ever proliferating confusion about something that is relatively simple. [[User:David Tombe|David Tombe]] ([[User talk:David Tombe|talk]]) 01:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:David: All that matters for this particular debate is this very specific question: "Is [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] a [[Wikipedia:Content_forking|content fork]] of [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]]?" Your remarks do not address this issue. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 13:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Brews, The question is whether or not I think that the centrifugal force (planar motion) article should be deleted. I think it should. There are no restrictions on what my reasons are allowed to be.
The participants should be asking themselves which of the below categories do they perceive themselves to belong to,

(A) Centrifugal force is a purely fictitious force that is only ever observed from rotating frames of reference, and that it acts on all objects in the rotating frame, irrespective of their relative motion in that frame.

(B) Centrifugal force is a real effect which is induced by actual rotation, but that the term only applies when we are using polar coordinates. When we are using Cartesian coordinates, we must then talk in terms of Newton's law of inertia. It follows therefore that centrifugal force is only a fictitious force.

(C) Centrifugal force is an effect which is observed from a rotating frame of reference. In cases in which the object in question is co-rotating then it is a real effect. In cases of partial co-rotation it is a fictitious effect to the extent that it is not rotating, and a real effect to the extent of its own actual rotation.

(D) Centrifugal force is a real outward radial effect which occurs when actual rotation occurs.

(E) None of the above.

I fall into category (D). My guess is that the rest of you will be split between (A) and (B) but that many of you will claim to fit into (E).

And to those who disgagree with (D), then take a look at the section on centrifugal potential energy. It begins with an explanation as per (A). But it finishes with a very real hydrostatic pressure for cases of co-rotation. For zero rotation in the inertial frame, there is zero centrifugal potential energy. [[User:David Tombe|David Tombe]] ([[User talk:David Tombe|talk]]) 15:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:David: You are mistaken in thinking that the subject is ''deletion'' of the page [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]]. It is a narrower question, that suggests the ''grounds'' for deletion is that this page is a content fork. So I choose to defend on the narrower ground that [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]] is ''not'' a content fork. If the whole subject comes up again with new grounds, I'll cross that bridge later. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 15:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

'''Keep''' – I'm usually more of a deletionist, but the reasons given here for deletion don't seem to address the real issue, which is how best to organize the treatment of centrifugal force. Wishful thinking like that of David Tombe, who believes that centrifugal force would be simple if we treated it as a real force, instead of the way the physics texts do, is not helpful to the discussion. Wolfkeeper has a point about content forking, but hasn't proposed a good way to re-integrate the material. I recommend he take this discussion back to a merge/split/rename/reorg proposal on the article talk page. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 16:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:'''It's not up to me to defend the material.''' Under the wiki rules, '''the person that added it has to do that.''' He's completely failed so far, this is a '''fake article topic''' written to look like a unique definition of the term, created entirely due to the content forking caused by the material that was removed elsewhere. I also would point out that an ''AFD'' is not about ''the material'', '''it's more about the article topic'''. Unless you're arguing that the article topic is suddenly going to go or already is legitimate, you can't legitimately argue a keep. '''I'm not arguing against the material.''' If Brews takes it and puts it somewhere sensible, that's fine. '''But that's not my problem.''' People creating fake article topics make me, and everyone else here ''look bad'', as does a vote to keep. ''Please'' change your vote.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 17:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
::This wild response does not address the reasons for the article laid out [[#rationale|at this link]], simply a rant. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 22:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' so far. As a theoretical physicist, I think this article has a right to exist. It contains more advanced math, which may be unsuitable for another article (''Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)''). The scope and even the title of this article, of course, should be discussed separately. However outright deletion does not seem to be the best solution at this moment. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] ([[User talk:Ruslik0|talk]]) 18:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::But that's just the problem. It doesn't have a right to exist. Why is it talking about centrifugal force in isolation to the other fictitious forces? Why is it here, and not in [[curvilinear coordinates]] and [[polar coordinate]]s. It's only here because Brews Ohare content forked it here. It makes no sense here the lead definition of the topic doesn't cover the article, doesn't distinguish it from the original article it was forked off from, and there's much better places it should go anyway. It also breaks almost every major guideline and policy you can name, [[WP:NOR]] [[WP:VER]] [[WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary]] [[WP:Notability]] I've probably missed some.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 18:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::"There's much better places it should go anyway" "It also breaks almost every major guideline and policy you can name" … - uh-huh. Pile on the specifics. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 22:32, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

*<small>'''Note''': This debate was posted to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics#FYI Centrifugal force (planar motion) at AfD]]. - [[User talk:Eldereft|Eldereft]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/Eldereft|cont.]])</small> 21:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)</small>

*'''Delete''' Content fork at a bizarre title making a completely meaningless and arbitrary distinction. There is no reason for any such division of the topic; this is why no [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] treat it so. I have not checked what was or was not in [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]] or the (I am quite sure) lengthy talk page discussions leading up to this, so it may be desirable to establish a temporary redirect or otherwise preserve the article history to make certain that anything useful (read: not trivial or redundant) is included. As a side note - where are all the [[tangent bundle]]s? - [[User talk:Eldereft|Eldereft]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/Eldereft|cont.]])</small> 19:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
::The assessment that the article is a "Content fork at a bizarre title making a completely meaningless and arbitrary distinction." does not address the reasons supporting this division outlined at length above. See [[#rationale|here]]. The terms "bizarre" and "meaningless" are pejorative and inflammatory, not exactly following the "be polite" admonition for Wiki discussions. If there had been "lengthy talk page discussions leading up to this" it never would have happened. Instead Wolfkeeper unilaterally and unexpectedly posted this banner for deletion without discussion. There is nothing "trivial or redundant" in the article [[Centrifugal force (planar motion)]]. I suggest you look at the article. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 20:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Note to moderator''' The following notifications by Brew Ohare may constitute [[WP:CANVAS]] (he could have simply tagged them):
*Sbharris: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sbharris&diff=prev&oldid=244546527]
*Rogerbrent [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rogerbrent&diff=prev&oldid=244546732]
*Dicklyon [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dicklyon&diff=prev&oldid=244545645]
*'Steve' Sbyrnes [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sbyrnes321&diff=prev&oldid=244545986]
- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 19:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:I did not know how to tag them; what I did was simply to ask for an opinion, as you can determine by reading my request for opinion on their talk pages. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 20:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
::You've been here a long while, I think it's reasonable for us to expect you to know and follow the rules. Merely notifying them is perfectly OK (and even then you're supposed to do it in an even handed way), telling them what you think is invalid.- ([[User:Wolfkeeper|User]]) '''Wolfkeeper''' ([[User_talk:Wolfkeeper|Talk]]) 20:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:::You don't have to "expect" anything. Just look at it. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 21:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Merge'''. Eldereft describes the situation very well. If we deleted all the forked articles and reverted "Centrifugal force" to one year ago, that'd be an improvement over the current situation, i.m.o. --[[User:PeR|PeR]] ([[User talk:PeR|talk]]) 19:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:PeR: Your comments are unresponsive to the issues already raised in support of the article. See [[#rationale|here]]. I do not see any reasoning leading to the conclusion that the topics discussed, documented, and illustrated on this page are a backward step, and reversion to a situation without this material would be a forward step. You have advanced no support for your views and conclusions, and apparently have not looked at the article in any detail. Going through the article topic by topic there is no parallel article or material in [[Centrifugal force (rotating reference frame)]]. [[User:Brews ohare|Brews ohare]] ([[User talk:Brews ohare|talk]]) 20:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Headline text ==

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Sarah Palin
11th Governor of Alaska
Assumed office
December 4, 2006
LieutenantSean Parnell
Preceded byFrank Murkowski
Personal details
Political partyRepublican

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In 2006, Sarah Palin was elected governor of Alaska. Running on a clean-government platform, Palin defeated incumbent Governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary election in August.[1] She then went on to win the general election in November, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles 48.3% to 40.9%.[2] Her running mate was State Senator Sean Parnell.

During the Republican gubernatorial primary campaign, Palin was endorsed by former Alaska Governor Walter Hickel,[3] and groups such as the Alaska Correctional Officers Association and Alaska Right to Life.[4] Later, in the general election for governor, she was supported by Governor Frank Murkowski.[5] Republican U.S. Senator Ted Stevens made a last-moment endorsement, filming a television commercial with Palin for the gubernatorial campaign.[6]

During her campaign for governor, Palin declared that education, public safety, and transportation would be the three cornerstones of her administration.[7] She won the race despite spending less than her Democratic opponent.[8]

Palin became Alaska's first female governor and, at 42, the youngest in state history. She is the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood and the first governor not inaugurated in Juneau; she chose to have the ceremony in Fairbanks instead. She took office on December 4, 2006, and has maintained a high approval rating throughout her term;[9] at one point she was recognized as the most popular governor in America.[10] The governorship of Alaska carries unusually strong institutional powers; only a handful of states give their governors greater institutional power and responsibility.[11][12]

In 2007, Palin obtained a passport and traveled for the first time outside of North America to Kuwait and Germany to visit with members of the Alaska National Guard.[13][14][neutrality is disputed]

Government ethics

Palin had championed ethics reform throughout her election campaign. Her first legislative action after taking office was to push for a bipartisan ethics reform bill. She signed the resulting legislation in July 2007, calling it a "first step" declaring that she remains determined to clean up Alaska politics.[15]

Public Safety Commissioner dismissal

On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, citing performance-related issues.[16] She then offered him an alternative position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he turned down.[17][18] Monegan alleged that his dismissal was retaliation for his failure to fire Palin’s former brother-in-law, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten, who was involved in a child custody battle with Palin’s sister, Molly McCann.[19][20] He further alleged that contacts made by Palin herself, her staff, and her family had constituted inappropriate pressure to fire Wooten.[19][20] Palin stated that most of those calls were made without her knowledge, and reiterated that she did not fire Monegan because of Wooten,[19][21] who is still employed as a state trooper.[22]. On September 19, 2008, Todd Palin refused to testify to a state legislative committee about his role in the controversy.[23]

Palin's choice to replace Monegan, Charles M. Kopp, chief of the Kenai police department, took the position on July 11, 2008. He resigned on July 25 after it was revealed that he had received a letter of reprimand for sexual harassment in his previous position.[24][25] On August 1, the Alaska Legislature hired an independent investigator to review the situation.[26] The investigation is scheduled to be completed in October 2008.[19] On August 13, Palin changed her position after an internal investigation, acknowledging that her staff had contacted Monegan or his staff regarding Wooten, but reiterating that she had not fired Monegan because of Wooten.[27] On September 1, Palin's lawyer asked the state Legislature to drop its investigation, saying that by state law, the governor-appointed state Personnel Board had jurisdiction over ethics issues.[28] Palin also asked that the Board review the matter as an ethics complaint.[29]

On October 10, 2008, the Republican-dominated Alaska Legislative Council unanimously voted to release the Branchflower investigative report[30] which found that Sarah Palin "abused her power as governor" in the firing of Monegan. [31]

Energy

Palin has promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska, including in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), where such development has been the subject of a national debate.[32] She also helped pass an increase in the severance tax oil companies pay to extract oil from state land. Palin has created a new sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.[33][34] When asked about climate change after becoming Senator McCain's presumptive running mate, she stated that it would "affect Alaska more than any other state", but she added, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made."[35]

Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded 35 appointments made by Murkowski in the last hours of his administration, including that of his former chief of staff James "Jim" Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority.[36][37]

Gas pipeline

Palin with Lt. Governor Sean Parnell

In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope.[38] This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including BP (her husband's employer). Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels,[39] voted against the measure,[40] and in June, Palin signed it into law.[41] On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corporation, was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant.[42][43] In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines $500 million in seed money and a license to build and operate the $26-billion pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Lower 48 through Canada.[44] TransCanada projects the pipeline to be operational by late 2018, barring unforeseen obstacles.[45]

$1200 refund checks for gasoline taxpayers

In June 2008, Governor Sarah Palin asked the Legislature to give Alaskans a special one-time payment of $1,200 to help with the high costs of energy. She said it will come out of the windfall the state is getting from high oil prices. The legislation was passed and signed into law by Gov. Palin in August of 2008.[46]

This replaces the proposal that Palin dropped to give Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. The governor said the debit cards were too expensive for the state to administer and wouldn't work in some rural Alaskan communities.[47]

"As the fiscal year winds down, Alaskans are assured of surpluses beyond the billions of dollars put into savings and funding for priorities such as forward funding education and municipal revenue sharing," Palin said in a press release. "With savings and funding priorities covered, I am confident that Alaskans, who are the owners of our resources, can spend their resource revenue better than government can."

Palin is also proposing to suspend the eight-cent-a gallon state fuel tax for one year. Palin said she wants the Legislature to implement these things by September. [citation needed]

Environment

Predator control

Wolf with Radio Collar

Bounties on wolves in Alaska date to at least 1915; in 1994, the Alaska State Legislature enacted the "Intensive Management Law," requiring management of wildlife for human consumptive use and authorizing specific management actions including "liberalizing hunting and trapping regulations for wolves and bears."[48] In 2006 the Alaska Department of Fish and Game and The Board of Game extended areas in which the aerial hunting of wolves was allowed under the Predator Control Program. Friends of Animals, Defenders of Wildlife, the Alaska Wildlife Alliance, and the Sierra Club sued the Department attempting to overturn the practice.[49][50]

In 2007, Palin supported the Alaska Department of Fish and Game policy allowing the hunting of wolves from helicopters as part of a predator control program intended to increase moose populations, which many rural Alaskans subsist on.[51] In March 2007, Palin's office announced that a bounty of $150 per wolf would be paid to the 180 volunteer pilots and gunners, to offset fuel costs. This drew protest among wildlife activists,[52] who took the state to court and won. Though the activists failed to stop aerial hunting, a state judge forced the state to stop paying the bounty.[53]

In May 2007 Palin introduced Bill 256 to streamline the Predator Program,[54] and make it more difficult for conservation groups to sue the State. Critics of the bill claimed it removed scientific standards and claim the programs are expensive and not effective.[55]

In August, 2007, both lawmakers and Governor Palin approved appropriating $400,000 from the state treasury to explain the aerial hunting program to Alaskans. Since Alaskans were voting the following year on an initiative restricting the practice to Department of Fish and Game personnel, many felt the funds were an attempt to influence the vote against the initiatve.[56][57] Alaskans had passed similar measures in 1996 and 2000, each time with a two-year limit; after they expired the state legislature allowed the Game Board to resume the program. The program also allowed the fly-and-shoot, liberalized hunting of black bears with no bag limits in the same areas, in addition to the area from Anchorage across Cook Inlet in Game Unit 16, which allows the killing of sows and cubs as well as males.[56]

In March 2008 a federal judge upheld the aerial gunning program as a whole, while banning the practice in four areas covering up to 15,000 of the 60,000 square miles covered by the program. The judge said that before the Game Board extended predator control into new areas it had to make new findings on the wolves, caribou and bears in those areas.[58][59][60] On August 26, 2008, Alaskans voted against ending the state's predator control program.[61]

Endangered species

A polar bear

Polar Bears

In December 2007, Palin wrote an opinion column in which she described her opposition to the listing of polar bears as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act, stating her position was based on a review of expert opinion.[62] In it she stated that the polar bear population is more numerous now than it was forty years ago, and "there is insufficient evidence of polar bears becoming extinct in the foreseeable future."[63] Alaskan state biologists[64] and environmental groups[65] disagreed with Palin's position. After Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican Secretary of the United States Department of the Interior listed the bear as threatened on May 14, 2008, Palin sued the federal government, claiming that the listing would adversely affect energy development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts, while again questioning the scientific basis for the listing.[65][66] Palin claimed the scientists found no ill effects of global warming on the polar bear. Rick Steiner, a University professor of Alaska, sought the e-mail messages of the state scientists who had examined the effects of global warming on the bears, and was informed his request would cost $466,784 to process. Through a federal records request, he was able to obtain the e-mails and he found that the scientists supported the fact that the bears were in danger.[67]

On August 28, 2008, the American Petroleum Institute, the National Association of Manufacturers, the United States Chamber of Commerce, and the American Iron and Steel Institute joined Alaska's suit to revert the listing of the polar bear as a threatened species. The issue at hand is a rule implemented by the federal government at the time the status of the Polar Bear was changed to threatened. The rule is to prevent the polar bear's status from being used as a tool for imposing greenhouse gas limits; it exempts projects in all states except Alaska from undergoing review in relation to emissions. The Center for Biological Diversity, is also suing the federal government , to change the Polar Bear status from threatened to endangered. They denounced the Alaska suit's claim that science does not prove polar bear populations are declining. [68]

Beluga Whales

Palin has opposed, on economic grounds, the designation of the Cook Inlet beluga whale as an endangered species.[70] Palin cited state scientists who claimed that hunting was the only factor causing the whales' decline and that the hunting has been effectively controlled through cooperative agreements with Alaska Native organizations.[71] Recent research suggests that despite hunting controls beluga whales in Cook's Inlet remain severely depleted and at high risk of extinction.[72][73]

Budget

State

Palin in Kuwait visiting soldiers of the Alaska National Guard, July 24, 2007.

Palin followed through on a campaign promise to sell the Westwind II jet purchased (on a state government credit account, against the wishes of the Legislature) by the Murkowski administration for $2.7 million in 2005. In August 2007 the jet was listed on eBay; although with no buyer found on eBay, it was later sold for $2.1 million through a private brokerage firm to a campaign contributer.[74][75]

She also canceled a contract for the construction of an 11-mile (18 km) gravel road outside Juneau to a mine, reversing a decision made in the closing days of the Murkowski administration.[76]

In June 2007, Palin signed into law a $6.6 billion operating budget—the largest in Alaska's history.[77] At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237 million in cuts represented over 300 local projects and reduced the construction budget to nearly $1.6 billion.[78] In 2008 Palin vetoed $286 million in funds for 350 projects from the FY09 capital budget, or 13% of the total budget.[79] The Anchorage Daily News said the cuts "may be the biggest single-year line-item veto total in state history."[79]

Personal

Palin lives in Juneau during the legislative session and lives in Wasilla and works out of offices in Anchorage the rest of the year. Since the office in Anchorage is far from Juneau, while she works there she is legally entitled to a $58 per diem travel allowance, which she has taken (a total of $16,951), and to reimbursement for hotels, which she has not, choosing instead to drive about 50 miles to her home in Wasilla.[80] She also chose not to use the former governor's private chef.[81] In response to criticism for taking the per diem, and for $43,490 in travel expenses for the times her family accompanied her on state business, the governor's staffers said that these practices were in line with state policy, that Palin's gubernatorial expenses are 80% below those of her predecessor, Frank Murkowski,[82] and that "many of the hundreds of invitations Palin receives include requests for her to bring her family, placing the definition of 'state business' with the party extending the invitation."[80]

Matanuska Maid Dairy

In April 2007, the state Board of Agriculture and Conservation (BAC) approved a request for $600,000 for a review of the operating expenses of the Matanuska Maid Dairy, an unprofitable state-owned business,[83] and forwarded the request to the state legislature for funding. The Alaska Creamery Board, which oversaw the dairy and made the request, met in May and discussed privatizing or possibly closing the dairy.[84] It subsequently voted to close the dairy, and on June 13 rejected Palin's public request that it keep the dairy open, saying it stood by its decision to close the dairy plant as July 7.[85]

On June 18, Palin replaced the entire membership of the BAC,[86] which then installed itself as the Creamery Board,[87] and voted to keep the dairy open for for 90 days while reviewing options. On August 29, 2007, Palin announced that the business could not be made profitable and would be offered for sale. She said that the board could use the $600,000 approved by the legislature in June to help with the transition to a private operator.[88] In November, the dairy received the $600,000 legislative funding.[89]

On December 7, with a required minimum bid of $3.35 million for the dairy, no bids were received, and all dairy operations were scheduled to close later that month.[90] In August 2008, the Anchorage plant portion of the dairy was purchased for $1.5 million, the specified minimum bid. The new owners said that they planned to covert it to heated self-storage units. The sale of the company's bottle-making facility in Palmer was under consideration as of early September.[91]

"Bridge to Nowhere"

In Palin's 2006 gubernatorial campaign, she supported the building of the proposed Gravina Island Bridge, which had been nicknamed the "Bridge to Nowhere" because the island had only 50 residents. The bridge was intended to provide access to Ketchikan International Airport[92] and not the residential population of the island.

On September 20, 2006, Sarah Palin visited Ketchikan on her gubernatorial campaign and said the bridge was essential for the town's prosperity.[93]

Members of the Alaskan congressional delegation, particularly Representative Don Young and Senator Ted Stevens, were the bridge's biggest advocates in Congress, and helped push for federal funding. The project encountered fierce opposition outside of Alaska as a symbol of pork barrel spending.[94] In 2005,[95] Congress stripped the specific earmark allocation of federal funds for the two bridges, without changing the amount of money allocated for use by Alaska.[96] As a result, the money previously earmarked for this and another controversial project, the Knik Arm Bridge, a total of $442 million, was to be made available for transportation projects generally.[97] The proposed Knik Arm Bridge is officially named "Don Young's Way" after Alaska Congressman Don Young, in the original legislation.

The next year, Palin ran for Governor on a "build-the-bridge" platform, arguing that it was essential for local prosperity.[98] She said in August 2006: "We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge, and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that’s so negative."[92] In October 2006, when asked, "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?", she answered: "Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."[99] She also criticized the use of the word "nowhere" as insulting to local residents.[100][101]

Congress did not, however, reinstate the earmark for the bridge. In September 2007, with no federal money available, Palin removed the state's portion of the cost from her proposed budget. She stated:

"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer. [...] Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island. [...] Much of the public’s attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."[102]

Her switch allowed the state to use the federal money for other transportation projects.[100] Palin did, however, continue constrution of an access road on Gravina Island, which would have linked to the bridge but now goes only to an empty beach; federal money for the access road, unlike the bridge money, would have otherwise been returned to the federal government.[100]

According to Reuters, Palin's decision to cancel the bridge "earn[ed] her admirers from earmark critics and budget hawks from around the nation. The move also thrust her into the spotlight as a reform-minded newcomer."[103] In an article titled, "Bridge leads McCain to running mate Palin", the Associated Press said canceling the bridge was "the first identifiable link connecting Palin and McCain," soon followed by "whispers of Palin being an ideal GOP running mate."[104][105]

Although she canceled the bridge, Palin spent $25 million from the $223 million earmark to build the road on Gravina Island to an empty beach where the bridge would have gone. State officials said "they were going ahead with the $25 million road because the money would otherwise have to be returned to the federal government."[106][107][99][103] The cancellation of the bridge did not lead Palin to return any of the remaining $197 million in the earmark to the Federal Government. Palin's Ketichikan campaign coordinator Mike Elerding, says, "She said 'thanks but no thanks,' but they kept the money."[103] According to Palin’s communications director Bill McAlister, the bridge "isn't necessarily dead"; it may still be built with "a less costly design". Palin changed her mind on the bridge, he said, when "she saw that Alaska was being perceived as taking from the country and not giving, and that impression bothered her and she wants to change it. [...] I think that Sarah Palin is someone who has the courage to re-evaluate situations as they developed."[92] Palin said through her spokesperson that the road would open territory for development.[108] A McCain-Palin spokesperson said that "because the contract for the road was already signed before she got into office, the governor was left no viable alternative."[109] The Alaska Department of Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration state that the contract could have been cancelled at minimal cost and that the federal money could have been returned to Congress for other uses, if the road had been cancelled when Palin took office in December 2006, but the bridge to the island was not cancelled until September 2007.[110]

In her nomination acceptance speech, Palin said: "I told the Congress 'thanks, but no thanks,' for that Bridge to Nowhere."[111] McCain-Palin television advertisements also claim Palin "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere."[112] Ketchikan's Mayor Bob Weinstein has criticized Palin for using the term 'Bridge to Nowhere' in her vice-presidential nomination acceptance speech because Palin had termed that name for the bridge "insulting" during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign, when she campaigned on her original "build the bridge" platform.[113]

Earmarks

Alaska's federal congressional representatives cut back on pork-barrel project requests during Palin's time as governor, however Alaska is still the largest per-capita recipient of federal earmarks, requesting nearly $750 million in special federal spending over two years and obtaining $295 per Alaska resident from the federal government.[114][115]

In the 2008 budget year, Palin requested $256 million in federal earmarks,[dubious ] and her requests for the 2009 budget total $197 million.[116][117] [118]

Lobbyists

Palin has given jobs to friends and appointed lobbyists to oversee industries they used to represent; she appointed a fund-raiser of hers, Deborah Richter, as director of the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend Division. Palin hired Cora Crome, who had worked for industry lobbying group United Fishermen of Alaska, as her fisheries-policy adviser.[119]

See also

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