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'''Australian regional rivalries''' refers to the rivalries between [[Australia]]n cities or [[List of regions in Australia|regions]], the most prominent of them being between [[Melbourne]] and [[Sydney]]. The rivalries are in most cases friendly.
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== Melbourne - Sydney rivalry ==
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There has been a long standing rivalry, usually friendly yet sometimes heated, between the cities of [[Melbourne]] and [[Sydney]], the two largest cities in Australia. The rivalry between the cities was the reason that neither Melbourne (the largest city at the time) nor Sydney (the oldest city) was chosen as the capital of Australia when the nation was [[Federation of Australia|federated]] in 1901. Because of this disagreement, section 125 of the [[Australian Constitution]] specified that Melbourne would initially serve as the capital on a temporary basis, while the permanent capital of the new Commonwealth must be north of the [[Murray River]] (placing it in New South Wales rather than Victoria) but at least 100 miles from Sydney. This city became [[Canberra]]. Melbourne operated as the capital city from 1901 until 1927, when Canberra's Parliament House was opened. Various Commonwealth governmental bodies continued to operate principally from Melbourne or Sydney after 1927. Most civil service departments were moved to Canberra in the 1950s, and the [[High Court of Australia]] was finally moved from Melbourne to Canberra in 1980.
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Rivalry and differences between the colonies was a feature of life in Pre-Federation Australia. There was a real rivalry between the most powerful colonies, [[New South Wales]] and [[Victoria (Australia)|Victoria]], on trade matters. As the two largest colonies both the states believed that the new nation should follow their trade model. Victoria had a policy of [[protectionism]] with [[tariff]]s imposed on goods coming into the state from other colonies. New South Wales had an opposite policy of [[free trade]] where all goods coming that came into the state were not tariffed. This rivalry delayed the process of [[Federation of Australia|federation]]; eventually the two colonies agreed that trade between the colonies would be tariff free, but tariffs would be placed on goods from overseas (excluding the [[British Empire]]).
== Apologies ==


[[Australian rules football]] ([[Australian Football League|AFL]]) in Australia is traditionally based in Melbourne, while [[rugby league]] ([[National Rugby League|NRL]]) in Australia is traditionally based in Sydney. While both sports have extended their popularity beyond their own state, the historic and spiritual centre of both sports has remained in Melbourne and Sydney respectively, and neither city has been quick to embrace the other city's dominant football code. There is also an increasingly spiteful rivalry between each city's sole [[A-League]] representative, [[Sydney FC]] and [[Melbourne Victory FC]].
Apologies for the action and reverting on your talk page, blocked user [[User:Hdayejr|Hdayejr]] has picked your page to make his comments on, for some reason. Whatever he says should just be taken with a grain of salt, he's got a long history of harassment. Sorry for the chaos. Thanks! [[User:Dayewalker|Dayewalker]] ([[User talk:Dayewalker|talk]]) 07:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


Sydney Harbour with the [[Sydney Opera House]] and [[Sydney Harbour Bridge]] has the most internationally recognisable [[landmarks]] of any Australian city {{Fact|date=March 2008}}. Sydney, with a population of 4.2 million, is the largest city in Australia. Melbourne is the second largest city with a population of 3.8 million, and is often regarded as the [[arts]] <ref>[http://www.melbourne.org.au/328.0.html The Committee for Melbourne: 9. Arts & Culture Capital<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>, [[cultural]]<ref name="cgquote"> [http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/commonwealthgames Australian Government Culture and Recreation Portal] </ref>, [[gourmet]] <ref>[http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/newmedia.nsf/35504bc71d3adebcca256cfc0082c2b8/471c8683c9e29634ca256e2f0076104f!OpenDocument Media Release: Gourmet Capital Showcases Its Fine Food And Wine<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref><ref>[http://www.i-escape.com/destination_guide_results.php?page=4&liveregion=Victoria&country=Australia Australia destination guide | special places to visit<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> and [[sport]]ing<ref name="cgquote"> [http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/commonwealthgames Australian Government Culture and Recreation Portal] </ref> capital of Australia. On the other hand, Sydney may be called the finance <ref>[http://www.sydneymedia.com.au/html/2290-city-commerce.asp City Commerce :: Sydney Media :: City of Sydney<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> and media {{Fact|date=May 2008}} city. While Melbourne has recently overtaken Sydney in terms of domestic tourism income, <ref>[http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/now-sydney-loses-its-tourism-ascendancy/2008/05/16/1211049134065.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1 Now Sydney loses its tourism ascendancy - News - Travel - theage.com.au<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
== August 2008 ==
, Sydney still remains the leading tourism destination for international tourists.
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Although founded 47 years after Sydney, Melbourne transformed rapidly into a major [[metropolis]] and by the [[Victorian gold rush]] in the 1850s, 'Marvellous Melbourne' became Australia's largest and most important city by 1865. Sydney overtook Melbourne as the largest capital city in the early 20th century, and many Sydneysiders believe Melbournians stubbornly hang on to the faded history from the city's 19th century glory days.{{Fact|date=April 2008}} However, if current trends continue, Melbourne will again become the most populous city in Australia by 2028 due to Melbourne's rapid expansion.<ref>Jamie Walker and Natasha Robinson [http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22741975-601,00.html''Population pushing Melbourne to top''] [[The Australian]] [[12 November]] [[2007]]</ref>
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Re. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JuJube&diff=229924812&oldid=229924605 your reply]: it is your opinion as to what a spade is, not a fact. Per [[WP:BLP]] unsourced contentious material about living people is forbidden throughout wikipedia. Thanks. '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 06:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


== New South Wales - Queensland Rivalry ==
==Just a typo==
The rivalry between the states of New South Wales and Queensland goes back over 100 years, stemming from the attitude that New South Wales was the "Mother Colony" while Queensland was viewed as a poorer cousin.<ref>[http://www.rl1908.com/Origin/States.htm State of Origin History<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
I was fixing a typo on the page and it said my change was reverted and told me to stop. All I did was change massacure to massacre like it should be. I didn't see this as a frivolous change... though that was before I made my account properly. Does it always revert people's changes if you don't have an account?--[[User:Princessnekosama|Princessnekosama]] ([[User talk:Princessnekosama|talk]]) 07:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


New South Wales typically objects to the fact that tax from the state is used to subsidise tax in Queensland.<ref>[http://www.treasurer.gov.au/tsr/content/transcripts/2005/046.asp?pf=1 Treasury Ministers Portal<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
==...Nevermind==
The typo I fixed and that was reverted was fixed again. I just was curious as to why I'd have gotten a message saying it was reverted and to stop when it was just a typo. I was wondering if it was because they just did that if an unregistered user did it or not, is all. Here's the link, regardless. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Yu-Gi-Oh%21_anime_and_manga_characters [[User:Princessnekosama|Princessnekosama]] ([[User talk:Princessnekosama|talk]]) 03:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
* No idea, I was just wondering. I didn't make any such jokes, just a typo, but I got a message saying like 'please stop editing this way and use the sandbox' or something to that degree, just was curious as to the nature of the message. [[User:Princessnekosama|Princessnekosama]] ([[User talk:Princessnekosama|talk]]) 06:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


This rivalry has been played out through sport over the years. In Queensland there has been a general ill-feeling over the number of sports people leaving their home state for New South Wales, particularly [[rugby league]] football players who left to play for the richer Sydney clubs. These players would then play against Queensland in interstate matches. In 1980, as a solution to this problem, the [[Rugby League State of Origin]] was created to allow Queensland players to play for their original state. This sporting contest played three times a year now exemplifies this rivarly, dominating the media and public attention in those two states during the series.<ref>[http://www.leagueunlimited.com/article.php?newsid=14265 Rugby League News :: League Unlimited<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
== The Hopkinses ==


Also this rivalry has a political component, with Queensland traditionally tending to state-centered conservatism and populist left politics, while New South Wales traditionally tending to classical-liberal conservatism, modern (small-l) liberal centrism, and social democratic left politics. However, in recent years, third-way centrism has taken root in both states.
My bad on removing Arthur - you're quite right, if he's in the manga, then he should totally stay on the page. However, check out the section I've just started on the article's talk page for a bit more discussion on what should and shouldn't be on the page. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


== Tasmania-mainland rivalry ==
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[[Image:Australian population data as a percentage 1881-2000.svg|thumb|300px|Australian population as a percentage, 1881-2000]]


Mainland Australians often use the island state [[Tasmania]] (or Tasmanians) as the butt of jokes. Many joke that people from the small island of Tasmania are [[inbred]], or have two heads. The origins of these jokes are most likely because Tasmania is an island state, and its (presumed) low population, when in fact Tasmania is much less remote than [[Darwin, Northern Territory|Darwin]] or [[Perth, Western Australia|Perth]], and more populous than Darwin, [[Canberra]], and up until the early 1900s, Perth. More Tasmanian-born people live in Melbourne than in Tasmania.{{Fact|date=June 2007}}
"fails the everything test". Hahaha! [[User:Cliff smith|<font color="blue">'''<font face="georgia">Cliff''' smith</font></font>]] [[User talk:Cliff smith|''<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>'']] 16:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


Mainland Australian maps used graphically and symbols frequently leave Tasmania off completely, including the original castings of Sydney [[2000 Summer Olympics]] medals.
== Quick bit about SF4 ==


Tasmania is often jokingly identified as "not part of Australia" by mainlanders. Some jokingly refer to Tasmania as "overseas" in a freight or travel context, despite it being overseas only in a literal context. In return, some Tasmanians refer to "mainlanders" or the "North Island". Internationally, some people think of Tasmania and Australia as different countries. International mail destined for Tasmania being redirected to [[Tanzania]] in Africa has sometimes occurred.
The game apparently does have english VA's for everyone this time alongside the japanese ones, with the option supposedly to turn them off individually (and most are complete crap). Though I'm not entirely sure that a list of who's doing which voices is published yet.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 12:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


==Western Australia and other states==
The game's dub is being done by New Generation Pictures (and it is not Complete Crap) the guy who is directing it is Taliesin Jaffe who did the dub for Beck Mongolian Chop Squad as well as Hellsing Ultimate.--[[User:Jack Cox|Jack Cox]] ([[User talk:Jack Cox|talk]]) 18:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
[[Western Australia]] has the largest land area of any state of Australia, is the least densely populated and the farthest removed from the [[eastern states of Australia|Eastern States]] centres of population and from the Federal Government's home in the [[Australian Capital Territory]]. The state has the fourth largest population of the Australian States and Territories with 9.8% of the national total, and about one-third the population of Victoria and New South Wales. Some Western Australian towns are located closer to its South East Asian neighbours to the North than to cities interstate, the capital Perth is closer to Singapore than Sydney. At the same time, it has abundant natural resources and primary industries that contribute a significant part of Australia's economy, particularly in the mining sector. As at June 2006 it contributed 11.7% of the [[Gross State Product]].<ref>[http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/ABS@Archive.nsf/log?openagent&5220001_Annual_Gross_State_Product_All_States.xls&5220.0&Time%20Series%20Spreadsheet&EA12DD28F5551158CA257221001A0D89&0&2005-06%20Reissue&13.11.2006&Latest Australian National Accounts: State Accounts, 2005-06 Reissue]</ref>. There is a belief that too much of the wealth of Western Australia is lost to the federal system and redistributed among the Eastern States.


Some Western Australians consider their state to be a "forgotten" state. Often sporting and concert events bypass the state for financial reasons because of its isolation. Western Australians have long complained of being ignored and / or taken advantage of by the other States and the Commonwealth over political and economical issues. In regards to Sport, most animosity is directed to Victoria, whose more powerful Australian Football league evolved into a pseudo-national league at the detriment to the WAFL and South Australia's SANFL. It was Western Australia who came up with the State of Origin football concept that was so successful in the 1980's and continues to be in the Rugby League version.
== Please be nice to others ==


Western Australia is the most successful cricketing state behind New South Wales yet the State team only debuted in the interstate [[Sheffield Shield]] in 1947, 55 years after the other colonies started. W.A. was only allowed to enter the competition after agreeing to pay the other states. Ill feeling because of the unfair financial burden was somewhat soothed by W.A. winning the Shield in their first season. Such unfair financial conditions were also put onto the ill-conceived [[Western Reds]] in the [[Australian Rugby League]]. The club was forced to pay for the accommodation and airfares of visiting teams along with their own when they were the greatest travelling club in the league. Though the club performed solidly on the field, financial conditions caused it to fold at the end of 1997. The club's license and the core of the playing group moved to Melbourne where that new club won the premiership in its second season.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Recbon&diff=prev&oldid=232077566 This] edit is not appropriate. Please read [[WP:NPA]] and adjust your behavior accordingly. [[User:Kevin|Kevin]] ([[User talk:Kevin|talk]]) 09:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


Western Australia was the last colony to agree to join the [[Federation of Australia|federation]], participating only after pressures by other states. In fact, the state is not mentioned in the preamble to the ''[[Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act]]'' (1900) as its support was given too late for the document to be redrafted. On several occasions, [[Secessionism in Western Australia|secession]] has been seriously proposed and was even formally pursued in a 1933 referendum which received 68% popular support, but to no effect due to the unwillingness of other States to allow a separate country to exist.
== Gay for Bridget ==


All these factors contribute to a parochial attitude by much of the Western Australian community. {{Fact|date=May 2008}}.
I am about to add the "Gay for Bridget" meme into the [[Bridget]] article. I see that you have many edits and REVERTS to this article, and there is some of your inflamatory language regarding the internet meme on the article's talk page. So I cannot pretend to assume good faith. If you wish to revert my edits, please contact me first. [[User:Roidroid|Roidroid]] ([[User talk:Roidroid|talk]]) 16:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
*If you have a reliable source (ie. not Urbandictionary or other user-contributed content) I have no issues. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] ([[User talk:JuJube|talk]]) 17:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
**It is difficult to find such sources for [[Internet Memes]] so it may take some time. How are other Internet Meme articles sourced? ''ps: are you getting this message if i post it on my own talkpage? (and likewise, will i get notified if you reply to something i type on your talkpage?) i do not understand the wikipedia notification system for such things'' [[User:Roidroid|Roidroid]] ([[User talk:Roidroid#top|talk]]) 17:13, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


== Other regions ==
== Girlsalltheway2009 & Livinglifetoothefullest ==
===Illawarra and New South Wales===
The [[Illawarra]] region of New South Wales lies only a short distance south of Sydney, however the socioeconomic and ethnic backgrounds of its citizens has allowed for the development of bitter rivalries between the Illawarra and Sydney, the Illawarra and Newcastle, and the Illawarra and Far South Coast.


The Illawarra vs. Sydney Rivalry is founded in historical, political and, for many, personal aspects. The Illawarra northern suburbs centred on Thirroul and Corrimal have seen drastic development resulting from overpopulation in the Sydney Cumberland Basin with many local residents upset about being encroached upon by the metropolis. This same reason was one of the reasons for the 1885 [[Charcoal Creek riots]] (now Unanderra), when 18 homes built by migrants from Sydney were demolished and razed by angry Illawarrian farmers who claimed they were built illegally by "ignorant city siders who don't know our country."<ref>Illawarra Historical Society</ref> The desire of Illawarrians to show differences between themselves and Sydneysiders has shown itself many times. In the early days of the Iraq War, Wollongong Lord Mayor Alex Darling led a delegation to the Consul General of France asking them to accept [[Wollongong's defection to France]] in protest at Sydney (and Canberra's) stance.<ref>Time Magazine, Wed. [[5 March]] [[2003]] "Going Gallic"</ref>
Hi,
You listed that they're suspect sockpuppets of [[User:Troyrodriguez631|Troyrodriguez631]], but I think you meant to put [[User:Troyrodriguez361|Troyrodriguez361]]. Is that right? I've made the change, but feel free to revert me if that's not what you meant. [[User:Justinfr|justinfr]] ([[User talk:Justinfr|talk]]) 13:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


In 1915, when the Commonwealth was looking for a port for Canberra, the Illawarra shires unanimously volunteered to become part of the territory, however the state government in Sydney refused to allow it because it would be too close to Sydney's ports and far too competitive. [[Jervis Bay]] was eventually made the site, however territorial separatism is still felt in the region today. Illawarra politicians are often very supportive of new states movements elsewhere in the state, including
== Guilty Gear ==
[[New England]], [[Riverina]] and [[Bogong]] states movements, however no current Illwarra new state movement is known to exist at the moment.
If the part on [[Faust (Guilty Gear)]] Dr. Baldhead is implicitly stated in the game, please revert me. Perhaps I misread it, but I thought the article merely said the game implied that. The various musical references seem to vary from highly likely to wildly improbable. Rather than decide how likely each indvidual claim is (and thus engage in my own original research) I'm removing all that are not sourced. [[User:Edward321|Edward321]] ([[User talk:Edward321|talk]]) 21:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, trivia sections (often masquerading notes, cultural references, or other info) are a real magnet for driveby OR. My instinctive reaction is to nuke them from orbit, but there are occasional bits of useful (and sometimes even sourced) info in some of them. Guilty Gear is better than most - I can see some of the references and I know only slightly more about [[heavy metal]] than [[Opus the penguin]]. [[User:Edward321|Edward321]] ([[User talk:Edward321|talk]]) 22:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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The Newcastle vs. Wollongong rivalries exist mostly because of the history each city has as being a steel town for [[BHP Billiton|BHP]], because of the Macedonian population of Wollongong, their sporting team rivalries, and their equidistance from Sydney.
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== Tom and Jerry Tales ==
===Northern Tasmania and Southern Tasmania===
Historically, the rivalry between [[Launceston, Tasmania|Launceston]] in the north and [[Hobart]] in the south has been endless and quite bitter. Tasmania's population (just over 480,000) is distributed almost evenly between the north and the south of the state. Northern Tasmania has a slightly higher population (around 52%) {{Fact|date=February 2007}}, whereas southern Tasmania has the capital, and largest, city (Hobart, with around 200,000 people).


During the reign of one [[Premier of Tasmania|premier]] in the late twentieth century folklore had it that the government was planning to move the administration of the state to Launceston. {{Fact|date=February 2007}}
If you know a person who can merge all the episodes of [[Tom and Jerry Tales]] into just one page , I would appreciate that. Please don"t delete all the episodes. Tom and Jerry Tales is popular than the other remakes. So it cannot be considered for deletion.[[User:Daxterooney5|Daxterooney5]] ([[User talk:Daxterooney5|talk]]) 12:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


A brewery, newspaper and television station is based at each end of the state; [[Boag's Brewery]], [[The Examiner]] and [[Southern Cross Television]] in Launceston and the [[Cascade Brewery]], [[The Mercury]] and [[WIN Television]] in Hobart. Both Boags and Cascade are popular beers throughout the rest of Australia.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.boags.com.au/attachments/Premium_Awards.pdf|title=James Boag's Premium Awards |format=PDF}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://internationalbeershop.com.au/beer_news.asp?topic_id=&article_id=150|title=2006 Australian International Beer Awards}}</ref>
==Tough?==
Thanks for dealing with the recent vandalism on my talk page. Am I being slow? What is your evidence that he is an evident sock of {{vandal|Willi H2O}}? &mdash; [[User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] ([[User talk:RHaworth|Talk]] | [[special:contributions/RHaworth|contribs]]) 15:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


Organisations which base themselves in northern Tasmania are often reported with much negativity in the Hobart media. Examples include the establishment of the [[Australian Maritime College]] in Launceston in 1978; the [[Spirit of Tasmania]] ferry terminal in [[Devonport, Tasmania|Devonport]] on the north-west coast; or Launceston's [[Aurora Stadium]] being named as the sole host of [[Australian Football League]] games in the state.
== I understand your concerns ==


Whereas Northern Tasmanians (Launceston residents in particular) are more often than not seen to be constantly holding a chip on their shoulder in regard to Hobart, and are stereotypically known by Southerners to be constantly whingeing in order to get favourable outcomes for their region which sits in a marginal electorate.
Regarding the Pelosi open letter, i understand your concerns. My concern is that they will use the Fairness Doctrine to apply to the Internet including Wikipedia. My fear is that 38% of people polled in Rasmussen earlier this month in the US support government regulation on the Interent. I don't want that. This is not conspiracy theory, but fact. That is all I am going on. [[User:Miller17CU94|Chris]] ([[User talk:Miller17CU94|talk]]) 21:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Most Southern football supporters feel that Launceston only got AFL games at the Government funded, rebuilt [[Aurora Stadium]] to sure up votes despite the fact that Hobart had been by far and away the hub of top standard football in the state for more that a century.


In 1991, the Launceston-based [[Tasmanian State Institute of Technology]] became the Launceston campus of the previously Hobart-based [[University of Tasmania]]. The decision was made to locate some courses at one campus only; for example, the University's then new [[University of Tasmania#Faculty of Health Science|School of Nursing]] was based in Launceston.
== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Smashing Pumpkins eighth studio album]] ==


Despite [[Australian rules football]] being hugely popular in the state, Tasmania's local competition has struggled. From 1986&ndash;2000 Tasmania had a statewide competition (the [[Tasmanian Football League]], later known as ''Statewide League''), but in 2000 a lack of cohesion resulted in the division of the statewide leagues into separate northern and southern leagues. The conflict also flowed on to Tasmania's bids for a team in the national competition - the inability for northern and southern representatives to compromise on a home location for such a team has been partly responsible. The [[Tasmanian Devils Football Club|Tasmanian Devils]], who represent the state in the [[Victorian Football League]], alternate their home games between Hobart and Launceston.
you *had* to get that song in my head, didn't you? :) <font face="Verdana"><font color="Blue">[[User_talk:Travellingcari|TravellingCari]]</font></font> 05:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
The Devils are hated in Launceston by Northern football fans who see them as 'a Hobart team' and thus draw poor crowds at [[Aurora Stadium]].


===South Australia and Victoria===
== [[Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game]] ==
There is a strong rivalry between South Australia and Victoria.


Much of the rivalry is played out in sport, and primarily [[Australian rules football]]. The very first [[Interstate matches in Australian rules football|interstate match]] was held between the two states in 1879. "Kick a Vic" became the later South Australian catchcry in [[State of Origin]] football. South Australians became bitter when the AFL canned the State of Origin series, which has increased with the reluctance to allow South Australia to once again compete.<ref>[http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22827664-23211,00.html Cornes blasts all-star match]</ref> There are even some South Australians who dispute the Victorian origin of Australian Rules and claim that the game is a South Australian invention, pointing to an earliest recorded football match which was played in South Australia in 1840, nearly two decades before the first rules of the game were written, although historians later argued that this early match was instead the Irish game of [[Caid (sport)|caid]]. Nevertheless, Australian rules in South Australia was the first to form a true governing body and the SANFL remains the oldest league in the game (founded as the SAFA just over two weeks before the [[Victorian Football League|VFA]] in early [[1877]]). Many [[SANFL]] supporters resent the expansion of the VFL to become the [[Australian Football League]], and in particular, the poaching of players from South Australia before the first teams from [[Adelaide]] were admitted into the competition<ref>[http://blogs.news.com.au/adelaidenow/yourshout/index.php/adelaidenow/comments/is_the_afl_still_the_vfl/ Is the AFL still the VFL ?]</ref> Many South Australian supporters also resent the Melbourne based AFL for not recognising its history and low representation in the official Australian Football Hall of Fame. [[Port Adelaide Football Club]]'s bid to defect to the AFL in 1991 was seen as a major scandal and an act of betrayal by South Australians. Many of the club's supporters resent being forced to drop its jumer design and record number of premierships to change leagues upon its final admission in 1997.
My mistake. Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yu-Gi-Oh!_Trading_Card_Game&diff=prev&oldid=237018265 this edit], I must say that I assumed it was vandalism after checking the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yu-Gi-Oh!_Trading_Card_Game&diff=prev&oldid=237018083 diff] of the user that I reverted and the edit prior to that one. In order to avoid accidental reverts in the future, i've inserted a hidden comment before the statement in question. Cheers! --[[User:Fatal!ty|Fatal!ty<font color="red" size="5px"></font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Fatal!ty|(T☠LK)<font color="blue" size="5px"></font>]]</sup> 08:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


Another source of this rivalry goes back to how these states were settled. South Australia (unlike Victoria) was not founded as a penal colony, and had a self governing (as opposed to a crown-colony) charter. South Australia received many of its settlers from Germany and Austria and German was the de facto second language in South Australia until the First World War. Victoria, on the other hand, was unilingually English speaking from settlement and had most of its early non-British settlement from Ireland.
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====Adelaide vs Melbourne====
If you don't want me or anyone else to pull some kind of stunt like that, then fine. Contact me if you can tell me how to get in contact with Jordan William Johnson.
Within the two states there is also an strong inter-city rivalry between Adelaide and Melbourne. This is partly due to an inferiority complex on the part of Adelaide. Although Adelaide is the older capital, Melbourne has since grown to dwarf the South Australian capital.


After 11 years of the [[Australian Grand Prix]] in [[Adelaide]], new Victorian premier [[Jeff Kennett]] poached the event and moved it to Melbourne in 1993, a move which many South Australians saw as arrogant.
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A strong rivalry between the two cities exists in the [[A-League]] between [[Adelaide United FC]] and the [[Melbourne Victory]].
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For many years, Adelaide was the only capital city outside of Melbourne to retain a working part of its original [[tramway]]. The appearance of the city's flat terrain, planned street and trams sees many visitors to draw comparisons between Adelaide and Melbourne. As a result, Adelaide is often described derisively by interstaters and Victorians alike as "Melbourne's smaller cousin".<ref>[http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/02/2152846.htm 'Backwater' slur fuels Melbourne-Adelaide rivalry]</ref>
I have opened a [[WP:RFC/USER|request for comment for user conduct]] on [[User:Roberttheman2008|Roberttheman2008]]. Feel free to comment or provide any evidence you have in the case. Thank you, [[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]] ([[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]) 15:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:P.S. You should check out what the user left on my [[User talk:MuZemike|talk page]]. [[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]] ([[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]) 15:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:If you have anything you wish to edit or add to the RfC, go ahead. I'm heading to work fairly soon, so I will be offline for a bit. [[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]] ([[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]) 16:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:Do you believe the stuff the person has said in his response? That, is if you can read it. [[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]] ([[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]) 07:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


In 2008, Victorian premier [[John Brumby]] reignited the regional rivalry when he described Adelaide as a "backwater", earning scorn from South Australian premier [[Mike Rann]].<ref>[http://www.theage.com.au/news/environment/its-a-backwater-on-the-boil-as-brumby-wins-a-wave-of-support/2008/01/31/1201714153275.html It's a backwater on the boil as Brumby wins a wave of support]</ref>
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===Queensland and southern states===
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This continues from the New South Wales rivalry mentioned above. [[Queensland]] is distant from the main population and political centres of [[Southern Australia]], namely Sydney, Melbourne and [[Canberra]]. At the same time it has long contributed a significant proportion of Australia's most lucrative export commodities, such as [[coal]], [[beef]] and [[sugar]]. The disparity between Queensland's economic contribution and political influence has long caused tension. The relationship is complicated by the migration since the 1970s of many people from the southern states, who are both welcomed for the economic benefits they bring, and occasionally disparaged as "Mexicans". Although it should be said that people from New South Wales will also refer to People from Victoria and Tasmainia as "Mexicans".
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This sentiment was epitomised by [[Joh Bjelke-Petersen]]'s parochialism and frequent promotion of the idea of [[secession]] of Queensland from Australia during his term as premier.
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===North Queensland vs South East Queensland===
== Robert ==
There is a regional rivalry between [[North Queensland]] and Brisbane (or South East Queensland). This is partially because the distance between them, which is similar to the distance between Brisbane and other state capitals. There has been continuing proposals in the past for a separate North Queensland state.<ref>[http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21915209-3102,00.html Up north they're in revolt] from couriermail.com.au</ref> Rugby league games between the [[North Queensland Cowboys]] and [[Brisbane Broncos]] attract large crowds.


===Cairns/Townsville ===
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADlohcierekim&diff=238062498&oldid=238018197 Thanks for your note.] I had hopes of helping better understand how we do things so he would be a constructive rather than vexatious editor. I'm not out to help Robert be vexatious. Of course, he denies the bribery thing. Perhaps he just did not understand how offensive that behavior is to us. I keep reminding myself that it took me a while to learn some things too. (I had my first article deleted and, I got a nonsense warning early on. Not all of us are as bright as we could be at times.) I can understand how every who has interacted with him feels. I had to set my feelings aside myself.
There has been a long standing rivalry between [[Townsville]] and [[Cairns]]. This is partly due to the similar size of the two cities, distance and slightly different local cultures. Both cities have sought to be known as the capital of the region, the major population centre and port.


Cairns is considered the aviation, agricultural & tourism hub of North Queensland whilst Townsville the administrative, financial and industrial hub.
To be honest, I feel frustrated in that I seem not to be getting through. I hope that someone who is not involved with him can come in fresh and make a difference. Not all of his posts make sense to me. He does not seem to understand some basic polices-- see my notes on his talk page and on the RFC and on my talk. Gnfnrf did a fine job at [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Roberttheman2008]]. The RFC needs to run its course. We need to develop a consensus and proceed from there. Cheers, and happy editing. [[User:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#00ff00"> Dloh</font>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#bb00bb">cierekim''' </font>]] 02:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


James Cook University of North Queensland operates dual campuses in Cairns & Townsville.
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Generally anything from political promises to planned developments trigger the Cairns-Townsville rivalry which can get pretty heated at times with both mayors more than likely accusing each city of government favouritism.
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The Cairns Taipans vs. Townsville Crocs basketball games is one of the most popular in the National Basketball league. Both venues (Cairns Convention Center & Townsville Entertainment Center) usually attract a sell-out crowd with the home crowds taunting and booing the visiting team and their supporters.
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* [http://home.vicnet.net.au/~pioneers/pppg5d.htm Melbourne - Sydney rivalry]
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* [http://www.smallguide.com.au/story12.html Sydney vs Melbourne - friendly rivalry]
* [http://goaustralia.about.com/od/discoveraustralia/a/vicnsw.htm Rivalry between the states]
* [http://www.ozshots.com/map/ Jokes and stereotypes about Australian states]


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Split the character template back off of the Guilty Gear main directory template and modified it a bit: it'll now include {{Category|Guilty Gear characters}} into the article's directly, so in almost all cases that's been removed from them so the template can handle it and save a little space in them. Also the In-universe infobox template got merged with {{tl|Fighting game character}} since it was just reduced to a birthplace param, which had the nice side effect of restoring the bloodtype in some of the articles.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 16:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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== [[Winter the Hedgehog]] ==

Thanks for your note. It was tagged at first for deletion as nonsense. I thought it was about a fictional character, so I went looking on Google. I was right, but, alas, she is sadly lacking in notability. Only afterward did I see your tag for G4-- which I referenced in my note to the article creator. Cheers, and happy editing. [[User:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#00ff00"> Dloh</font>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#bb00bb">cierekim''' </font>]] 17:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

== I need your opinion ==

A large number of the Guilty Gear character articles are up for merge proposals due to the fact sources just aren't turning up in what research I did. But nobody's really commenting ye or ne on the char list talkpage.

I hate to bother you with it, but since you have watched over them long term...what's your opinion on that matter?--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 21:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hello, I declined the speedy as it does not appear, to be an attack and user claims he uses it on his own page. Userficaton might be the answer. [[User:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#00ff00"> Dloh</font>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#bb00bb">cierekim''' </font>]] 02:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

== re: Street Fighter character pictures ==

From what I can tell, the Manual of Style for video games really doesn't specify one particular guidelines for the info box picture. That said, I'm of a view that the infobox should be the most iconic version of the character, plus, none of the other SF2 character articles use the SF4 artwork, it was only the four boss articles that did. [[User:NeoChaosX|NeoChaosX]] <font size="1"> ([[User talk:NeoChaosX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/NeoChaosX|edits]])</font> 02:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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== thank u ==

thank u for protecting the siachen conflict n operation meghdoot page from pakistani vandals. Please watch it 2 make sure its not vandalised further. best wishes. --[[Special:Contributions/60.50.70.65|60.50.70.65]] ([[User talk:60.50.70.65|talk]]) 11:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I oso highlighted ur actions here: [[Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics]]. tq.


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Australian regional rivalries refers to the rivalries between Australian cities or regions, the most prominent of them being between Melbourne and Sydney. The rivalries are in most cases friendly.

Melbourne - Sydney rivalry

There has been a long standing rivalry, usually friendly yet sometimes heated, between the cities of Melbourne and Sydney, the two largest cities in Australia. The rivalry between the cities was the reason that neither Melbourne (the largest city at the time) nor Sydney (the oldest city) was chosen as the capital of Australia when the nation was federated in 1901. Because of this disagreement, section 125 of the Australian Constitution specified that Melbourne would initially serve as the capital on a temporary basis, while the permanent capital of the new Commonwealth must be north of the Murray River (placing it in New South Wales rather than Victoria) but at least 100 miles from Sydney. This city became Canberra. Melbourne operated as the capital city from 1901 until 1927, when Canberra's Parliament House was opened. Various Commonwealth governmental bodies continued to operate principally from Melbourne or Sydney after 1927. Most civil service departments were moved to Canberra in the 1950s, and the High Court of Australia was finally moved from Melbourne to Canberra in 1980.

Rivalry and differences between the colonies was a feature of life in Pre-Federation Australia. There was a real rivalry between the most powerful colonies, New South Wales and Victoria, on trade matters. As the two largest colonies both the states believed that the new nation should follow their trade model. Victoria had a policy of protectionism with tariffs imposed on goods coming into the state from other colonies. New South Wales had an opposite policy of free trade where all goods coming that came into the state were not tariffed. This rivalry delayed the process of federation; eventually the two colonies agreed that trade between the colonies would be tariff free, but tariffs would be placed on goods from overseas (excluding the British Empire).

Australian rules football (AFL) in Australia is traditionally based in Melbourne, while rugby league (NRL) in Australia is traditionally based in Sydney. While both sports have extended their popularity beyond their own state, the historic and spiritual centre of both sports has remained in Melbourne and Sydney respectively, and neither city has been quick to embrace the other city's dominant football code. There is also an increasingly spiteful rivalry between each city's sole A-League representative, Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory FC.

Sydney Harbour with the Sydney Opera House and Sydney Harbour Bridge has the most internationally recognisable landmarks of any Australian city [citation needed]. Sydney, with a population of 4.2 million, is the largest city in Australia. Melbourne is the second largest city with a population of 3.8 million, and is often regarded as the arts [1], cultural[2], gourmet [3][4] and sporting[2] capital of Australia. On the other hand, Sydney may be called the finance [5] and media [citation needed] city. While Melbourne has recently overtaken Sydney in terms of domestic tourism income, [6] , Sydney still remains the leading tourism destination for international tourists.

Although founded 47 years after Sydney, Melbourne transformed rapidly into a major metropolis and by the Victorian gold rush in the 1850s, 'Marvellous Melbourne' became Australia's largest and most important city by 1865. Sydney overtook Melbourne as the largest capital city in the early 20th century, and many Sydneysiders believe Melbournians stubbornly hang on to the faded history from the city's 19th century glory days.[citation needed] However, if current trends continue, Melbourne will again become the most populous city in Australia by 2028 due to Melbourne's rapid expansion.[7]

New South Wales - Queensland Rivalry

The rivalry between the states of New South Wales and Queensland goes back over 100 years, stemming from the attitude that New South Wales was the "Mother Colony" while Queensland was viewed as a poorer cousin.[8]

New South Wales typically objects to the fact that tax from the state is used to subsidise tax in Queensland.[9]

This rivalry has been played out through sport over the years. In Queensland there has been a general ill-feeling over the number of sports people leaving their home state for New South Wales, particularly rugby league football players who left to play for the richer Sydney clubs. These players would then play against Queensland in interstate matches. In 1980, as a solution to this problem, the Rugby League State of Origin was created to allow Queensland players to play for their original state. This sporting contest played three times a year now exemplifies this rivarly, dominating the media and public attention in those two states during the series.[10]

Also this rivalry has a political component, with Queensland traditionally tending to state-centered conservatism and populist left politics, while New South Wales traditionally tending to classical-liberal conservatism, modern (small-l) liberal centrism, and social democratic left politics. However, in recent years, third-way centrism has taken root in both states.

Tasmania-mainland rivalry

Australian population as a percentage, 1881-2000

Mainland Australians often use the island state Tasmania (or Tasmanians) as the butt of jokes. Many joke that people from the small island of Tasmania are inbred, or have two heads. The origins of these jokes are most likely because Tasmania is an island state, and its (presumed) low population, when in fact Tasmania is much less remote than Darwin or Perth, and more populous than Darwin, Canberra, and up until the early 1900s, Perth. More Tasmanian-born people live in Melbourne than in Tasmania.[citation needed]

Mainland Australian maps used graphically and symbols frequently leave Tasmania off completely, including the original castings of Sydney 2000 Summer Olympics medals.

Tasmania is often jokingly identified as "not part of Australia" by mainlanders. Some jokingly refer to Tasmania as "overseas" in a freight or travel context, despite it being overseas only in a literal context. In return, some Tasmanians refer to "mainlanders" or the "North Island". Internationally, some people think of Tasmania and Australia as different countries. International mail destined for Tasmania being redirected to Tanzania in Africa has sometimes occurred.

Western Australia and other states

Western Australia has the largest land area of any state of Australia, is the least densely populated and the farthest removed from the Eastern States centres of population and from the Federal Government's home in the Australian Capital Territory. The state has the fourth largest population of the Australian States and Territories with 9.8% of the national total, and about one-third the population of Victoria and New South Wales. Some Western Australian towns are located closer to its South East Asian neighbours to the North than to cities interstate, the capital Perth is closer to Singapore than Sydney. At the same time, it has abundant natural resources and primary industries that contribute a significant part of Australia's economy, particularly in the mining sector. As at June 2006 it contributed 11.7% of the Gross State Product.[11]. There is a belief that too much of the wealth of Western Australia is lost to the federal system and redistributed among the Eastern States.

Some Western Australians consider their state to be a "forgotten" state. Often sporting and concert events bypass the state for financial reasons because of its isolation. Western Australians have long complained of being ignored and / or taken advantage of by the other States and the Commonwealth over political and economical issues. In regards to Sport, most animosity is directed to Victoria, whose more powerful Australian Football league evolved into a pseudo-national league at the detriment to the WAFL and South Australia's SANFL. It was Western Australia who came up with the State of Origin football concept that was so successful in the 1980's and continues to be in the Rugby League version.

Western Australia is the most successful cricketing state behind New South Wales yet the State team only debuted in the interstate Sheffield Shield in 1947, 55 years after the other colonies started. W.A. was only allowed to enter the competition after agreeing to pay the other states. Ill feeling because of the unfair financial burden was somewhat soothed by W.A. winning the Shield in their first season. Such unfair financial conditions were also put onto the ill-conceived Western Reds in the Australian Rugby League. The club was forced to pay for the accommodation and airfares of visiting teams along with their own when they were the greatest travelling club in the league. Though the club performed solidly on the field, financial conditions caused it to fold at the end of 1997. The club's license and the core of the playing group moved to Melbourne where that new club won the premiership in its second season.

Western Australia was the last colony to agree to join the federation, participating only after pressures by other states. In fact, the state is not mentioned in the preamble to the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act (1900) as its support was given too late for the document to be redrafted. On several occasions, secession has been seriously proposed and was even formally pursued in a 1933 referendum which received 68% popular support, but to no effect due to the unwillingness of other States to allow a separate country to exist.

All these factors contribute to a parochial attitude by much of the Western Australian community. [citation needed].

Other regions

Illawarra and New South Wales

The Illawarra region of New South Wales lies only a short distance south of Sydney, however the socioeconomic and ethnic backgrounds of its citizens has allowed for the development of bitter rivalries between the Illawarra and Sydney, the Illawarra and Newcastle, and the Illawarra and Far South Coast.

The Illawarra vs. Sydney Rivalry is founded in historical, political and, for many, personal aspects. The Illawarra northern suburbs centred on Thirroul and Corrimal have seen drastic development resulting from overpopulation in the Sydney Cumberland Basin with many local residents upset about being encroached upon by the metropolis. This same reason was one of the reasons for the 1885 Charcoal Creek riots (now Unanderra), when 18 homes built by migrants from Sydney were demolished and razed by angry Illawarrian farmers who claimed they were built illegally by "ignorant city siders who don't know our country."[12] The desire of Illawarrians to show differences between themselves and Sydneysiders has shown itself many times. In the early days of the Iraq War, Wollongong Lord Mayor Alex Darling led a delegation to the Consul General of France asking them to accept Wollongong's defection to France in protest at Sydney (and Canberra's) stance.[13]

In 1915, when the Commonwealth was looking for a port for Canberra, the Illawarra shires unanimously volunteered to become part of the territory, however the state government in Sydney refused to allow it because it would be too close to Sydney's ports and far too competitive. Jervis Bay was eventually made the site, however territorial separatism is still felt in the region today. Illawarra politicians are often very supportive of new states movements elsewhere in the state, including New England, Riverina and Bogong states movements, however no current Illwarra new state movement is known to exist at the moment.

The Newcastle vs. Wollongong rivalries exist mostly because of the history each city has as being a steel town for BHP, because of the Macedonian population of Wollongong, their sporting team rivalries, and their equidistance from Sydney.

Northern Tasmania and Southern Tasmania

Historically, the rivalry between Launceston in the north and Hobart in the south has been endless and quite bitter. Tasmania's population (just over 480,000) is distributed almost evenly between the north and the south of the state. Northern Tasmania has a slightly higher population (around 52%) [citation needed], whereas southern Tasmania has the capital, and largest, city (Hobart, with around 200,000 people).

During the reign of one premier in the late twentieth century folklore had it that the government was planning to move the administration of the state to Launceston. [citation needed]

A brewery, newspaper and television station is based at each end of the state; Boag's Brewery, The Examiner and Southern Cross Television in Launceston and the Cascade Brewery, The Mercury and WIN Television in Hobart. Both Boags and Cascade are popular beers throughout the rest of Australia.[14][15]

Organisations which base themselves in northern Tasmania are often reported with much negativity in the Hobart media. Examples include the establishment of the Australian Maritime College in Launceston in 1978; the Spirit of Tasmania ferry terminal in Devonport on the north-west coast; or Launceston's Aurora Stadium being named as the sole host of Australian Football League games in the state.

Whereas Northern Tasmanians (Launceston residents in particular) are more often than not seen to be constantly holding a chip on their shoulder in regard to Hobart, and are stereotypically known by Southerners to be constantly whingeing in order to get favourable outcomes for their region which sits in a marginal electorate. Most Southern football supporters feel that Launceston only got AFL games at the Government funded, rebuilt Aurora Stadium to sure up votes despite the fact that Hobart had been by far and away the hub of top standard football in the state for more that a century.

In 1991, the Launceston-based Tasmanian State Institute of Technology became the Launceston campus of the previously Hobart-based University of Tasmania. The decision was made to locate some courses at one campus only; for example, the University's then new School of Nursing was based in Launceston.

Despite Australian rules football being hugely popular in the state, Tasmania's local competition has struggled. From 1986–2000 Tasmania had a statewide competition (the Tasmanian Football League, later known as Statewide League), but in 2000 a lack of cohesion resulted in the division of the statewide leagues into separate northern and southern leagues. The conflict also flowed on to Tasmania's bids for a team in the national competition - the inability for northern and southern representatives to compromise on a home location for such a team has been partly responsible. The Tasmanian Devils, who represent the state in the Victorian Football League, alternate their home games between Hobart and Launceston. The Devils are hated in Launceston by Northern football fans who see them as 'a Hobart team' and thus draw poor crowds at Aurora Stadium.

South Australia and Victoria

There is a strong rivalry between South Australia and Victoria.

Much of the rivalry is played out in sport, and primarily Australian rules football. The very first interstate match was held between the two states in 1879. "Kick a Vic" became the later South Australian catchcry in State of Origin football. South Australians became bitter when the AFL canned the State of Origin series, which has increased with the reluctance to allow South Australia to once again compete.[16] There are even some South Australians who dispute the Victorian origin of Australian Rules and claim that the game is a South Australian invention, pointing to an earliest recorded football match which was played in South Australia in 1840, nearly two decades before the first rules of the game were written, although historians later argued that this early match was instead the Irish game of caid. Nevertheless, Australian rules in South Australia was the first to form a true governing body and the SANFL remains the oldest league in the game (founded as the SAFA just over two weeks before the VFA in early 1877). Many SANFL supporters resent the expansion of the VFL to become the Australian Football League, and in particular, the poaching of players from South Australia before the first teams from Adelaide were admitted into the competition[17] Many South Australian supporters also resent the Melbourne based AFL for not recognising its history and low representation in the official Australian Football Hall of Fame. Port Adelaide Football Club's bid to defect to the AFL in 1991 was seen as a major scandal and an act of betrayal by South Australians. Many of the club's supporters resent being forced to drop its jumer design and record number of premierships to change leagues upon its final admission in 1997.

Another source of this rivalry goes back to how these states were settled. South Australia (unlike Victoria) was not founded as a penal colony, and had a self governing (as opposed to a crown-colony) charter. South Australia received many of its settlers from Germany and Austria and German was the de facto second language in South Australia until the First World War. Victoria, on the other hand, was unilingually English speaking from settlement and had most of its early non-British settlement from Ireland.

Adelaide vs Melbourne

Within the two states there is also an strong inter-city rivalry between Adelaide and Melbourne. This is partly due to an inferiority complex on the part of Adelaide. Although Adelaide is the older capital, Melbourne has since grown to dwarf the South Australian capital.

After 11 years of the Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide, new Victorian premier Jeff Kennett poached the event and moved it to Melbourne in 1993, a move which many South Australians saw as arrogant.

A strong rivalry between the two cities exists in the A-League between Adelaide United FC and the Melbourne Victory.

For many years, Adelaide was the only capital city outside of Melbourne to retain a working part of its original tramway. The appearance of the city's flat terrain, planned street and trams sees many visitors to draw comparisons between Adelaide and Melbourne. As a result, Adelaide is often described derisively by interstaters and Victorians alike as "Melbourne's smaller cousin".[18]

In 2008, Victorian premier John Brumby reignited the regional rivalry when he described Adelaide as a "backwater", earning scorn from South Australian premier Mike Rann.[19]

Queensland and southern states

This continues from the New South Wales rivalry mentioned above. Queensland is distant from the main population and political centres of Southern Australia, namely Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra. At the same time it has long contributed a significant proportion of Australia's most lucrative export commodities, such as coal, beef and sugar. The disparity between Queensland's economic contribution and political influence has long caused tension. The relationship is complicated by the migration since the 1970s of many people from the southern states, who are both welcomed for the economic benefits they bring, and occasionally disparaged as "Mexicans". Although it should be said that people from New South Wales will also refer to People from Victoria and Tasmainia as "Mexicans".

This sentiment was epitomised by Joh Bjelke-Petersen's parochialism and frequent promotion of the idea of secession of Queensland from Australia during his term as premier.

North Queensland vs South East Queensland

There is a regional rivalry between North Queensland and Brisbane (or South East Queensland). This is partially because the distance between them, which is similar to the distance between Brisbane and other state capitals. There has been continuing proposals in the past for a separate North Queensland state.[20] Rugby league games between the North Queensland Cowboys and Brisbane Broncos attract large crowds.

Cairns/Townsville

There has been a long standing rivalry between Townsville and Cairns. This is partly due to the similar size of the two cities, distance and slightly different local cultures. Both cities have sought to be known as the capital of the region, the major population centre and port.

Cairns is considered the aviation, agricultural & tourism hub of North Queensland whilst Townsville the administrative, financial and industrial hub.

James Cook University of North Queensland operates dual campuses in Cairns & Townsville.

Generally anything from political promises to planned developments trigger the Cairns-Townsville rivalry which can get pretty heated at times with both mayors more than likely accusing each city of government favouritism.

The Cairns Taipans vs. Townsville Crocs basketball games is one of the most popular in the National Basketball league. Both venues (Cairns Convention Center & Townsville Entertainment Center) usually attract a sell-out crowd with the home crowds taunting and booing the visiting team and their supporters.

References

  1. ^ The Committee for Melbourne: 9. Arts & Culture Capital
  2. ^ a b Australian Government Culture and Recreation Portal
  3. ^ Media Release: Gourmet Capital Showcases Its Fine Food And Wine
  4. ^ Australia destination guide | special places to visit
  5. ^ City Commerce :: Sydney Media :: City of Sydney
  6. ^ Now Sydney loses its tourism ascendancy - News - Travel - theage.com.au
  7. ^ Jamie Walker and Natasha Robinson Population pushing Melbourne to top The Australian 12 November 2007
  8. ^ State of Origin History
  9. ^ Treasury Ministers Portal
  10. ^ Rugby League News :: League Unlimited
  11. ^ Australian National Accounts: State Accounts, 2005-06 Reissue
  12. ^ Illawarra Historical Society
  13. ^ Time Magazine, Wed. 5 March 2003 "Going Gallic"
  14. ^ "James Boag's Premium Awards" (PDF).
  15. ^ "2006 Australian International Beer Awards".
  16. ^ Cornes blasts all-star match
  17. ^ Is the AFL still the VFL ?
  18. ^ 'Backwater' slur fuels Melbourne-Adelaide rivalry
  19. ^ It's a backwater on the boil as Brumby wins a wave of support
  20. ^ Up north they're in revolt from couriermail.com.au

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