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[[Image:227113 20f9b0cdThePlatformOxenhopeRailwayStationTerminusOfTheKeighley&WorthValleyRailway(NigelHomer)Aug2006.jpg|right|thumb|234px|The Platform, Oxenhope Railway Station, terminus of the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway (photo by Nigel Homer, 2006)]]
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The '''Keighley and Worth Valley Railway''' is a five-mile (eight-km) long [[heritage railway]] line in [[West Yorkshire]], [[England]], that runs from [[Keighley]] to [[Oxenhope]]. It connects to the national rail network line at Keighley. It is currently the first and only Heritage Railway that operates a whole branch line in its original form.
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==History==
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The line was built in 1867 by local [[mill (factory)|mill]] owners, but operated by the [[Midland Railway]], which owned most of the rail network in the area, and was eventually bought by the Midland.
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After becoming part of the [[London, Midland and Scottish Railway]] in 1923, ownership passed to [[British Rail]]ways following nationalisation in 1948. As a part of the rail cutbacks in the [[1960s]], British Railways closed the line at the end of 1962.
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However a preservation society was formed which bought the line from BR and reopened it in 1968 as a heritage railway. The line is now a major tourist attraction operated entirely by volunteers and carries more than 110,000 passengers every year. The KWVR is currently the only preserved railway that operates a complete branch line in its original form. It is celebrated among beer lovers for operating the only [[buffet car]] serving [[real ale]].
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The line and its bridges and tunnels including a deviation were built as [[single track (rail)|single track]] but with provision for [[double track|duplication]], should the need arise.
== Is there a member of the International Phonetic Association here? ==


==Stations and facilities==
This section is a "wish list" for the IPA. Indirectly, the discussions are a critique concerning the limitations of the IPA. If there is a member of the International Phonetic Association here, please consider proposing the suggestions below to become official updates to the IPA. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 03:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
*[[Keighley railway station|Keighley]]
**Mainline Connections to [[Leeds]], [[Bradford]], [[Skipton]], [[Carlisle]], [[Lancaster, Lancashire|Lancaster]], [[Morecambe]] and [[London]] King's Cross
**Railway Shop and Buffet
**Turntable
**Picnic Area
**Station restored to BR 1950s condition complete with cast-iron platform canopy
*[[Ingrow (West) railway station|Ingrow West]]
**Access to the Vintage Carriages Trust's [[Museum of Rail Travel]]
**Access to the [[Bahamas Locomotive Society]] Museum "[[Ingrow Loco]]"
**Car parking
*[[Damems railway station|Damems]]
**The smallest standard-gauge railway station in Britain, complete with Waiting Room, Booking Office, Signal Box & Level Crossing
**Lit by [[gas lighting|gas]] and heated by coal stoves
**Featured as [["Ormston"]] in the [[BBC]]'s [[Born and Bred]]
*[[Oakworth railway station|Oakworth]]
**Famous as the location for the filming of the 1970 film ''[[The Railway Children (film)|The Railway Children]]'', starring [[Jenny Agutter]], [[Dinah Sheridan]], [[Bernard Cribbins]], [[Sally Thomsett]] and [[Gary Warren]]
**Restored to Edwardian condition, the station is lit by gas lamps
**Heated by up to four coal fires in winter (around eight months each year)
**Car Parking (for 'Horseless Carriages')
*[[Haworth railway station|Haworth]]
**Railway shop
**Picnic area and engine shed viewing area
**Access to Haworth Village and the [[Brontë]] Parsonage
**Gas lit platform
**An example of a 1950s country station
*[[Oxenhope railway station|Oxenhope]]
**New [[National Lottery|Heritage Lottery Fund]]-supported Exhibition Shed, contains locomotives and carriages not currently in use and explains their history and that of the line as a whole
**Railway shop and buffet
**Car parking
**Bus connections to [[Hebden Bridge]]
**Gas-lit platform, car park and waiting room


==Special events==
=== Add the symbol [ẏ] (y with dot above) as an alternative form for the symbol [j] ===
*During Summer 2008, 45212 is expected to return for the final of its 3 visits permitted during its 10 year boiler certificate, to participate in an event to mark 40 years since the end of steam on BR.
I feel it is too alien for American English-speakers, when the IPA uses the symbol [j] to represent the sound "y". The strangeness of this symbol [j] may even be a reason why the IPA hasnt really caught on in America, despite a strong need for it. Too many times, I needed to transcribe the pronunciation of an ancient word but found myself refusing to use the IPA because the frequent symbol [j] would confuse, distract, or intimidate the general reader. As a solution, I suggest the IP Association adds the symbol [ẏ] (y with dot above) as an alternate symbol for [j]. Visually, the dot above and descender below helps remind the reader to equate them, for example when switching back-and-forth between American and German linguists. Note, the IPA already uses two alternate symbols for the sound [g]/[<span style="font-family: times; font-size: larger">g</span>]; the sound [j]/[ẏ] can do similarly. For example, the word "yellow" could be transcribed as either [jɛloʊ] or [ẏɛloʊ] --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 03:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


==Operational steam locomotives==
:(I'm not a member of the IPA, but have some slight knowledge of its history.) Actually, a few decades ago the IPA purged the alphabet of all alternate symbols, except for the ones you can create yourself using diacritics. (The one IPA letter for the voiced velar plosive is {{IPA|<ɡ>}}; they merely acknowledge that not everyone is going to bother with it.) There is no way they are now going to start introducing new alternates, especially if the only reason is that you don't like it. One reason for keeping <j> is that there is iconic similarity between <j> and <nowiki><i></nowiki>. {{Unicode|ẏ}} would ruin that. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 06:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:80002-BRClass4.JPG|thumb|right|80002]]
*BR 2-6-4T [[BR standard class 4 tank|Class 4MT]] no. 80002 (Used regularly, especially in summer, boiler ticket expires in 2015)
*[[Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway|L&Y]] 0-6-0 [[L&YR Class 25|Class 25 "Ironclad"]] no. 957 (later BR Class 2F no. 52044, boiler ticket expires in 2011) (Used on summer vintage trains and during special events)
*[[London Midland and Scottish Railway|LMS]] 2-6-2T [[LMS Class 2MT 2-6-2T|Class 2MT]] no. 41241 (Used regularly)
*[[London Midland and Scottish Railway|LMS]] 0-6-0T [[LMS Class 3F "Jinty" 0-6-0T|Class 3F "Jinty"]] no. 47279 (Used regularly. boiler ticket expires in 2011)
*[[Taff Vale Railway]] 0-6-2T no. 85 (Used regularly, boiler ticket expires in June 2009)
*[[British Rail|BR]] 2-8-0 [[WD class 8F 2-8-0|Austerity]] no. 90733 (In regular use, boiler ticket expires in 2017)
*[[Hudswell Clarke]] 0-6-0T no. 1704 "Nunlow" steam tested and moved under its own power 6th June 2008. (Boiler ticket expires 2018)


==Steam Locomotives undergoing light repair==
::For myself, I dont have a problem with symbol [j]. (My brother's name is Jarl!) However, too often, I feel I cant use the IPA because of the [j], which is too problematic for American lay readers. If it was just me who didnt like it, I wouldnt mind. However I feel millions of people defacto refuse to use the IPA because of it. The IPA has ambitions to be the foremost international standard, and toward this goal, it would help if Americans used it too. Allowing an alternate symbol for [j] would be a wise strategy. Decades from now, future users can always reduce it back to one symbol, AFTER most of the world becomes familiar with the IPA. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 06:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
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==Steam locomotives under overhaul or restoration==
::Kwami: "There is iconic similarity between [j] and [i]". Regarding archeology, I love how the form j retains vestiges of i from which it evolved. Regarding phonetics, it's totally irrelevant. Regarding Americans, for them, the form i has nothing to do with the sound [dʒ], and the use of j just creates confusion. Even for the general American reader who is aware that [j] means "y", it is highly distracting. It's impossible to implement it on-the-fly. Texts that need to discuss pronunciation are ALREADY complex and technical. Substituting the letter [j] for "y" adds too much confusion, because the reader doesnt just need to learn what some new symbol means, but has to keep on "unlearning" what "j" normally means. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 06:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
*[[BR standard class 4 4-6-0]] no. 75078 (Undergoing a ten year overhaul. Boiler away for overhaul. Completion is due for 2014)
*[[Midland Railway 3835 Class]] 0-6-0 (LMS Class 4F) no. 43924 (Stripped down for restoration. Good progress is being made on the overhaul, which is focusing on the frames presently. Boiler away for overhaul. Completion is expected in 2012)
*[[London and North Eastern Railway|LNER]] 0-6-0ST [[LNER Class J94|Class J94]] no. 68077 (Undergoing overhaul at the [[Spa Valley Railway]] where the loco's dismantling is nearly done)
*SR 4-6-2 [[SR West Country Class|West Country Class]] no. 34092 [[Wells|"City of Wells"]] (The boiler cladding is now all on and the boiler is now being tackled. The engine is expected to steam in 2009)
*[[USATC S160 Class]] 2-8-0 no. 5820 "Big Jim" (Under restoration; the frames are making good progress. Driving wheels re-tyred. Most brake and suspension parts have been overhauled or renewed. Refitting has begun. New tender bogies require some modification.)
*[[LNWR Webb Coal Tank]] 0-6-2T no. 1054 (Undergoing restoration at Ingrow Workshops with work on the frames and boiler going well)
*[[LMS]] 0-6-0ST [[L&YR Class 23]] No 752. Undergoing restoration, the frames, smokebox and saddle tank are just about finished and the boiler has been steam tested, a few more jobs need to be done like putting the locomotive back together again, planned to be in traffic in 2008.


==Stored and static steam locomotives==
:::I agree it's a problem. Just teach the IPA with <y> for <j>. People do this kind of thing all the time, with extra letters for affricates, etc., especially with Amerindian languages. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 08:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
*BR 2-6-0 [[BR standard class 2 2-6-0|Class 2MT]] no. 78022. (Withdrawn for ten year overhaul in 2002 and is currently on display in the museum at Oxenhope. It is expected that the overhaul will begin in 2010)
*[[Great Western Railway|GWR]] 0-6-0PT [[GWR 5700 Class|5700 Class]] no. 5775. On display at Oxenhope. (Not expected to enter the workshops before 2019)
*[[Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway|L&Y]] 0-4-0ST [[L&YR Class 21|Class 21 "Pug"]] no. 68 (later BR Class 0F no. 51218). (Stored awaiting overhaul which is planned to start once 752 is finished)
*LMS 4-6-0 [[LMS Jubilee Class|Class 5XP Jubilee]] no. [[LMS Jubilee Class 5596 Bahamas|45596]] "Bahamas". (Awaiting overhaul. Funding is being arranged by the Bahamas Trust, and work will begin upon completion of the 'Coal Tank')
*LMS 2-8-0 [[LMS Class 8F 2-8-0|Class 8F]] no. 48431. (On display in the museum at Oxenhope)
*[[Southern Railway (UK)|SR]] 0-6-0T [[SR Class USA|Class USA]] no. 30072. (On display in the Oxenhope museum, requires extensive firebox repairs. Not expected to enter the workshops before 2019)
*[[MSC]] 0-6-0ST no. 31 Hamburg. (Requires a new inner firebox and a general overhaul)
*[[LMR]] 0-6-0ST no. 118 "Brussels". (Requires a general overhaul)
*[[Andrew Barclay]] 0-4-0ST no. 2258 "Tiny". (On display at Ingrow awaiting a general overhaul, owned by the Bahamas trust)
*[[Robert Stephenson and Hawthorns]] 0-4-0 [[crane tank]] no. 7069 "Southwick". (On display at Ingrow awaiting overhaul)
*[[Manning Wardle]] 0-4-0ST "Lord Mayor". (On display at Ingrow awaiting overhaul)


==Operational diesel locomotives==
:The purpose of the IPA is to provide a common, unified system of graphic symbols so that people all over the world can communicate with each other about phonetics, the same reason chemists worldwide use H for hydrogen regardless of whether the word in their language for "hydrogen" starts with an "h" (to wit, Italian or German) or whether even their written language involves an alphabet. A system that has alternate symbols so that speakers of each language can pick and choose the one he is most comfortable with defeats the purpose of the IPA.
*BR 0-6-0 [[Hudswell Clarke]] ([[British Rail Class D2/12]]) [[shunter]] no. D2511. In use as the Works train shunter after a recent engine and cylinder liner repair.
*BR 0-6-0 [[British Rail Class 08|Class 08]] no. 13336 (ex-08266). In use but restricted to Haworth yard duties as the Locomotive is currently suffering from worn tyres. Appeared at 2008 Diesel Gala working shuttles between Keighley and Ingrow.
*[[Port of Bristol|Port of Bristol Authority]] Diesel Mechanical 0-6-0 no. 23 "Merlin". In use, currently at Oxenhope station as it is the carriage and wagon shunter.
*BR Bo-Bo [[British Rail Class 25|Class 25]] no. 25059 (ex-D5209). In service following repairs.


==Diesel locomotives under repair==
:If you want to use IPA in a work geared toward English-speaking laymen, then give them a guide. You have to give them a guide regardless of the system you use if you care about distinguishing between [u] and [ʊ] and [ʌ], for example, and expect them to know what you mean. &#8212;[[User:Largoplazo|Largo Plazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 09:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
*BR 0-6-0 [[British Rail D0226|Prototype EE shunter]] no. D226 "Vulcan". Suffered a main generator failure in June 2006 and has also developed bearing problems. A group have now started the overhaul of the engine.
*[[Mersey Docks and Harbour Board]] Diesel Mechanical 0-6-0 no. 32 "Huskisson". Currently undergoing a long delayed axlebox overhaul.
*BR Bo-Bo [[British Rail Class 20|Class 20]] no. D8031 (ex-20031). Returned to traffic in July 2006 after a generator repair. Out of service again due to main generator bearing failure.


==Operational diesel multiple units==
::Regarding the lay reader, its easy to learn [u], [ʊ], and [ɐ]. It isnt easy to "unlearn" "j" every time theres a [j]. One can intuitively guess [yɛloʊ] means "yellow" without too much concentration. But [jɛloʊ] continues to throw the reader off every time. The [j] symbol requires the writer to spend too much energy to make sure the IPA is clear, when the energy should focus on the point that the writer is trying to make. The extra worry adds confusion to a discussion that is already technical. Besides, IIRC, the IPA isnt just for linguists, but is intended to become a normal alphabet for everyone in the world. So, the IPA gains if it as friendly as possible for lay readers. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 09:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
*BR [[British Rail Class 108|Class 108]] unit 50928+51565. Both are in regular use but when the 101 set is in traffic this set will be withdrawn for overhaul.
*BR [[British Rail Railbuses|Railbuses]] No 79964. In regular use on morning diesel services.


==Diesel multiple units under overhaul or restoration==
:::I disagree with your feeling that [j] = "y" is hard to learn. Have you conducted a study showing this to be terribly difficult for people, or is this a presupposition? English speakers cope just fine with "ja", Jarlsberg cheese, and Johann Sebastian Bach. Besides, if you're writing material where use of IPA would be germane, then you aren't exactly dealing with the lowest common denominator of human intellect.
*BR [[British Rail Class 101|Class 101]] unit 51803+51189. Under restoration. Both vehicle's mechanical restorations have been done and both are shortly going to be painted in BR blue. The unit is expected to start carrying passengers in 2007.
*BR [[British Rail Railbuses|Railbuses]] No 79962. Currently stored and sheeted over in Haworth yard, the engines restoration has been finished and once shed space is available the body, wheels and frames will be restored. It is expected to be finished in 2008 which is the railways 40th anniversery of when it was first preserved.


==Locomotive notes==
:::Meanwhile, I disagree entirely that [yɛloʊ] is at all intuitive, and I disagree even more strongly when you're using similar symbols to represent words that the reader doesn't already know (which is usually the reason why you'd be providing a phonetic representation to non-technical people). How does the reader know intuitively what [ɛ] means or how it differs from [e], and in particular how would a non-technical reader, who has no idea that phonetically our "long o" is a diphthong, know what the [ʊ] means or what it's there for? If you're using IPA for phonetic representation, then if you aren't assuming a level of intelligence sufficient to deal with [j] representing our "y" sound, then you shouldn't be assuming a level of intelligence sufficient to deal with IPA at all.
*'Black Five' no.45212 is operational but currently based on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, as part of a deal which will see it running there until it has covered 70,000 miles. This could take the entire 10-year duration of the boiler ticket.
*'Coal Tank' no.1054 is currently undergoing overhaul at Ingrow. Once its owning group have completed the repairs, attention will be focused on returning "Bahamas" to traffic.
*Steam Engines in line for a return to steam before the end of the decade are no.34092 "City Of Wells", and no.43924, which was the first engine salvaged from Barry Scrapyard in South Wales to be returned to steam on a heritage line, back in the 1970s.
*Somerset & Dorset Railway 7F 2-8-0 no.53809, currently based at the Midland Railway Butterley, is due to visit the K&WVR in Autumn for their second steam gala of the year. This will be the locomotive's second visit, as it spent time on the railway during the 1980s.
*Class 101 vehicle No 51803 is operational but out of service awaiting a repaint in BR blue livery, 51189's interior and mechanical restoration is nearing completion and it to is awaiting a reapaint. The unit will hopefully be ready for service in 2007 allowing the 108 set to be withdrawn for repairs.


==Vintage carriages==
:::And certainly, if English speakers were going to use [y], or some variant thereof, for "y", then naturally they'd have the same expectation of being able to use [j], or some variant thereof, instead of [dʒ], for the sound that we write as "j"&#8212;and never mind that speakers of other languages are using [j] for [j] and may be using the same variant of [j] for something else. And then Germans will similarly want to use [w] or some variant thereof to represent [v], which they spell "w", and likewise for speakers of languages where [ʃ] is spelled "x" or "ch", where [ʒ] is spelled "j" or "ll" or "y", and so on. &#8212;[[User:Largoplazo|Largo Plazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 12:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The railway has a large collection of Vintage Carriages. Some are used to carry passengers on specially selected open days.
[[Image:Metropolitan 465 'Dreadnought' 9-compartment third built 1919.jpg|thumb|Metropolitan 465 'Dreadnought' 9-compartment third built 1919]]
[[Image:SR 3554 'Matchboard' Continental Brake third built 1924.jpg|thumb|SR 3554 'Matchboard' Continental Brake third built 1924]]
*[[Great Northern Railway]] 1867 (body only). Stored awaiting restoration.
*[[Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway|MSLR]] 4-wheeler Tricomposite 154 built in 1876. Operational.
*[[Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway]] 6-wheeler five compartment third 1507 built in 1882. In regular vintage train use.
*[[Midland Railway]] 6-wheeler Composite 258 built in 1886. On static display at Ingrow.
*[[Great Northern Railway]] 6-wheeler Brake Third 589 built in 1888. Used for filming use.
*[[Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway]] 6-wheeler 4 compartment first 279 built in 1894. In the restoration queue, could be worked on once 47 is completed.
*[[Great Northern Railway]] Composite Lavatory Brake 2856 built in 1896. In regular vintage train use.
*[[NER]] Clerestory Saloon 1661 built in 1904. In regular vintage train use.
*[[Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway]] Director's Saloon 135 built in 1908. On static display at Oxenhope.
*[[Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway]] Brake Third 1474 built in 1910. In regular vintage train use.
*[[Metropolitan Railway]] 'Dreadnought' Brake 427 built in 1910. In regular vintage train use.
*[[Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway]] Blackpool Club Car 47 built in 1912. Interior restoration progressing.
*[[Metropolitan Railway]] 'Dreadnought' 9 compartment third 465 built in 1919. Out of service.
*[[Metropolitan Railway]] 'Dreadnought' 7 compartment first 509. In regular vintage train use.
*[[Southern Railway (Great Britain)|Southern Railway]] 'Matchboard' Continental Brake Third built in 1924. In regular vintage train use.


==Use In film and television==
:::By the way, where did you get the impression that "IPA ... is intended to become a normal alphabet for everyone in the world"? If that were ''true'' then your proposal would defeat the purpose outright! You'd be proposing that instead of using one IPA, speakers of each language use symbols that are "intuitive" to them based on their ''old'' writing system&#8212;and then we wouldn't all be using the same alphabet anyway, and nothing would have been accomplished. &#8212;[[User:Largoplazo|Largo Plazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 11:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The line and its stations has been used numerous period film and television productions including films ''[[The Railway Children (film)|The Railway Children]]'' and ''[[Yanks]]'' & in an episode of the longest running sitcom [[Last of the Summer Wine]] in 1979.


==External links==
::::Actually, it's been my experience that <j> is a major hangup for Usonians learning the IPA. It's much harder to unlearn something than to learn something new. German <j> isn't such a problem, because you're learning a foreign language, and it's all new. But with the IPA, students generally practice transcribing English, and that really screws them up. But if you say, 'this is where everyone screws up, so you know it's going to be on the test', and giving examples from German, Polish, etc., then they get it all right. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 13:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
{{commonscat|Keighley and Worth Valley Railway}}
*[http://www.kwvr.co.uk/ Keighley and Worth Valley Railway website]
*[http://www.ingrowrailwaycentre.co.uk Ingrow Railway Centre website]
*[http://www.thesectionalappendix.co.uk/NERS76.html British Railways in 1960 - Keighley to Oxenhope]


{{Heritage railways in England}}
=== Relocate the symbol [a] in the IPA Vowel Chart to the Open Central Semirounded Vowel ===
The symbol [a] is extremely important, but it gets wasted on the cardinal Open Front Unrounded Vowel, which possibly doesnt occur in any language. Informally, many linguists reuse this symbol instead for the Open Central Semirounded Vowel, which occurs in many languages (like [a] in 'spa', 'father', or 'car', depending on dialect). Make this reuse official: relocate the symbol [a] in the IPA Vowel Chart to the Open Central Semirounded Vowel. (If necessary, create a new symbol for the cardinal Open Front Vowel. ;-) It doesnt matter what the new symbol looks like since transcriptions will almost never use it anyway.) --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 03:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


[[Category:Heritage railways in England]]
:The symbol used to be central. It was redefined to be front. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 06:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Visitor attractions in Bradford]]

::Well switch it back! It was a mistake. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 07:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:::The change was made so that the vowels could be given some objective definition, the way the consonants are, rather than the subjective definitions of "sounds like X in language Z". If you move your tongue as far forward as it is possible to pronounce a vowel, and so high that raising it any further will produce turbulence (an approximant), then the vowel is cardinal {{IPA|[i]}}. As far back as possible, with rounding and lip protrusion, and the vowel is cardinal {{IPA|[u]}}. As low as possible, and the vowels are cardinal {{IPA|[a]}} (front) and {{IPA|[ɑ]}} (back: any backer and you'd get a pharyngeal approximant). Few languages have any of these, except maybe {{IPA|[i]}} (and even cardinal [i] is more extreme than the /i/ in many if not most languages). They are theoretical fixed points that can be used to define any vowel: Divide the tongue height into thirds, with adjustments to rounding, for example, and you've got cardinal {{IPA|[e], [ɛ], [ɔ], [o]}}. Then you can divide backness to get the central vowels, and adjust rounding for the others.

::::Sure, but they shouldnt have wasted the [a] symbol on the theoretical cardinal vowel. They should have made up a new symbol for it, and kept the [a] in Central where its actually useful - where linguists actually use it. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 08:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::Then we would have no symbol for the cardinal vowel. The entire IPA is based on the idea of only having letters for sounds which are phonemically distinctive, and low front & center are not distinctive. But this is an issue for ''all'' vowels: Hardly any of them match the cardinal vowels. If we can use <nowiki><u></nowiki> for English /u/, we can use <a> for Spanish /a/. Few of them are ever going to be exact. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 07:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::Theres a decisive difference between Open Front, which is an Unrounded vowel, versus Open Central, which is Semirounded. So, there is a phonemic distinction. Pragmatically both locations are important and warrant separate symbols: the Front is an important theoretical limit while the Central is an extremely common vowel. It would make more sense, to move the common [a] symbol to Open Central, and then move the [æ] symbol to Open Front to serve as the cardinal. Then the Mid-Open location would use the [{{IPA|æ̝}}] with the diacritic mark, but since the cardinal Open never gets used, the Mid-Open can always use this symbol without a diacritic. With this shift in locations, linguists will still continue to use the symbols in transcriptions in the same way they already use them now, except the IPA would officially recognize this reality. (Incidentally, if the [æ] symbol moves to the cardinal corner, the Front vowels would mirror the Back vowels symmetrically.) In sum, the Vowel Chart seems more useful if [a] moves to Central, and [æ] to Open. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 09:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I agree with you, and what you're proposing is the way it used to be. But phonemicity has nothing to do with rounding, it has to do with contrast within a language. Also, IPA vowels are either rounded or unrounded. And where do you get the idea that [ä] must be semi-rounded? [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]])

::::::::But the vowel in [hæt] is phonemically distinct from the one in [car]. The only difference in the Vowel Chart would be, the [æ] would represent the cardinal, instead of the [a]. In the exact same way, the [ɒ] represents the cardinal for the Back vowels. Regarding [ä], Iv seen studies describe it as Semirounded. Its similar to Semirounded [ɐ] but more Open. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 10:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::I don't know where you get that [ɐ] is semirounded either. Low vowels are generally not rounded.
:::::::::If you want <æ> for [a], fine. Then we discard <a>, because there isn't a three-way distinction here. Anyway, this discussion would be fine for a user page, but it is useless here, where we're supposed to be discussing the article. —[[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 10:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::"Then we discard <a>". Why? The above reasoning doesnt make sense to me. I dare say, as the chart is now, theres no such thing as a phonemic distinction between open front [a] and near-open front [æ] in any language. As is, one of these symbols is discardable, since either symbol is proximal enough to stand for either sound. But elsewhere, there *is* a phonemic distinction between the open central [ä], like "car" [cär], and the near-open central [ɐ], like "cup" [cɐp]. Now, an updated Vowel Chart could move the [æ] symbol to the unused cardinal open front vowel, thus be able to move the important [a] symbol from there to the important open central vowel. There would remain phonemic distinctions between all of these: "cap" [cæp], "cup" [cɐp], and "car" [car]. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 01:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::''either symbol (<æ> and <a>) is proximal enough to stand for either sound''. Yeah, the only time I've seen <æ> and <a> used to distinguish vowels is when <a> is used to express the low central vowel or the low back vowel. While it's true that the low central vowel is not a cardinal vowel, it's still ironic that the most common vowel in the world's languages has no IPA symbol! I do remember one proposal for using [a] with the advanced or fronting diacritic for the low front vowel, but I think the ash symbol works fine, leaving <a> for the central one (even though, confusingly, that's used for the low back vowel sometimes). We're frequently forced to do that anyway. It's true we're not in the business of changing IPA here, but linguists do contend with some of the issues you raise. — [[User:Zerida|Zerida]] [[User talk:Zerida|<font color="RoyalBlue"><span class="Unicode">☥</span></font>]] 05:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Aren't there parts of New England (Maine? Hahvahd Yahd?) where "hard" = [ha:d] and "had" = [hæ:d]? &#8212;[[User:Largoplazo|Largo Plazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 03:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[Boston accent]] (not certain)? — [[User:Zerida|Zerida]] [[User talk:Zerida|<font color="RoyalBlue"><span class="Unicode">☥</span></font>]] 04:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think ''had'' has a long vowel in those accents, at least, not as long a vowel as ''hard'' has. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 04:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Supposing that to be true: I'm not sure that matters because I don't think that length is phonemic. I believe that whether you uttered [had] or [ha:d] they'd understand you to be saying "hard", not "had", because it's the openness that's distinctive, not the length. Likewise, I believe they'd hear both [hæd] and [hæ:d] as "had". &#8212;[[User:Largoplazo|Largo Plazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 11:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, while not a professional phonetician, I can say living in Boston that <æ> is not a characteristically long vowel in the accent here. It might be elongated in environments such as "ladder" (as it is in many varieties of English), but in "bad" and "had" it's short--no longer than the vowel in "bud" or "bed". --[[User:Atemperman|Atemperman]] ([[User talk:Atemperman|talk]]) 16:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, "ladder" [ˈlæ:ɾə] vs "larder" [ˈla:ɾə]? &#8212;[[User:Largoplazo|Largo Plazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 21:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

=== Remove the symbol [{{IPA|ɧ}}] ===

This is the place for suggesting improvements to Wikipedia's article on the IPA, not improvements to the IPA itself. (That said, my wishlist would include getting rid of the silly symbol "{{IPA|ɧ}}" and adding a symbol for the unrounded equivalent of {{IPA|[ʊ]}}.) —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] <sup>[[User:Angr/If|If you've written a quality article...]]</sup> 04:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:What language(s) have the unrounded vowel? — [[User:Zerida|Zerida]] [[User talk:Zerida|<font color="RoyalBlue"><span class="Unicode">☥</span></font>]] 05:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::Before that, we need a way to transcribe Swedish and Japanese vowels. Since we only have the silly {{IPA|ɧ}} symbol because of Swedes on the IPA board, I find it amazing that there's no unambiguous way to do that. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 06:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:::I don't know if I remember this correctly, but I used to hear a phonetician complain tongue-in-cheek that the IPA board was "controlled by French" (or was it British?) — [[User:Zerida|Zerida]] [[User talk:Zerida|<font color="RoyalBlue"><span class="Unicode">☥</span></font>]] 06:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::::There have been complaints of favoritism towards the languages of the members of the IPA. They even removed the symbols for the voiceless implosives, despite their being phonemic in Nigeria and Guatemala. If they were phonemic in English or French, there's no way that would ever have happened. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 06:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

=== Make a symbol for the Unrounded Near-Close Near-Back Vowel ===

Per Angr, make a symbol for the Unrounded Near-Close Near-Back Vowel, that is, the unrounded equivalent of [{{IPA|ʊ}}]. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 06:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:The IPA only adds symbols when they can be shown to be phonemically distinct in some (important) language. For minor phonetic distinctions, use diacritics, in this case {{IPA|<ɯ̽>}} or {{IPA|<ʊ̜>}}. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 06:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:Haldrik, this is pointless. You might as well write on the Pluto article that you want Pluto reinstated as a planet, or on the Northern Cyprus or Abxazia articles that you want them recognized as independent countries. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 06:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::Wikipedia benefits from the minds of millions of people, who are often experts in the subject. These discussions are valuable. Its good to have it in Talk. Again, in this case, the "wish list" is instructive because it clarifies what the IPA can do. --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 07:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::Per Zerida, how many languages use the unrounded [ʊ]? --[[User:Haldrik|Haldrik]] ([[User talk:Haldrik|talk]]) 07:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:::In English [ʊ] is often not very rounded. Portuguese is supposed to have it. I don't know where else, since it isn't phonemic. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 07:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::If it comes to that, how many languages have {{IPA|[ɶ]}} that's phonemically distinct from [œ]? Probably none, but they have the symbol anyway. Another addition on my wishlist is {{IPA|[<s>ɪ</s>]}}, a symbol widely used but not official IPA, which is a phoneme in northern dialects of Welsh. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] <sup>[[User:Angr/If|If you've written a quality article...]]</sup> 16:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::To clarify, my question wasn't rhetorical. I wanted to know what language or languages might have that vowel sound. I was still under the impression that {{IPA|[ɶ]}} was not attested in any language. Only now did I find out after reading its article that it does exist in some dialects. — [[User:Zerida|Zerida]] [[User talk:Zerida|<font color="RoyalBlue"><span class="Unicode">☥</span></font>]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::English uses the sound often, especially American English (in fact, I find rounded ones rarer than unrounded ones) but they're not technically "distinguished" in the language. If you were to switch the rounded/unroundedness of the vowel on a particular word no one would notice, and there are no words where a version of it with the rounding reversed will mean something different. So that's why the IPA doesn't include an official symbol for it. [[User:LokiClock|LokiClock]] ([[User talk:LokiClock|talk]]) 18:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

=== Alveolar trill ===

Shouldn't it have a voiced/voiceless distinction? One of the best-known examples of this sound is in Spanish (the double r in words like "perro"), where it is voiced. But from what I understand of Welsh phonology, the Welsh "rh" makes the same sound, but without voicing. [[User:A. Parrot|A. Parrot]] ([[User talk:A. Parrot|talk]]) 18:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:Classical Greek had a similar sound. You transcribe it using the voiceless diacritic. I know what you're getting at: it seems arbitrary that there should be (e.g.) symbols for both /t/ and /d/, but none for a voiceless /r/. [[User:Garik|garik]] ([[User talk:Garik|talk]]) 19:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

=== Wish lists ===
Am I the only person who thinks that Wikipedia talk pages are not the place for this kind of wish list? [[User:Garik|garik]] ([[User talk:Garik|talk]]) 19:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Note links don't work ==

They will return you to the text once you get to them, but won't take you to the note in the first place. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 17:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== No need for IPA templates in tables ==

Hi, the tables in the article have the "IPA wikitable" classes set, so you don't have to call the IPA template in the tables. --'''[[User:Kjoonlee|Kjoon]]'''[[User talk:Kjoonlee|lee]] 07:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hm, if you only have "span.IPA" in your user stylesheets, then the CSS rules will not cascade onto all cell contents. Switching to ".IPA" in your user styles can be a solution. It's just too useful, and the global stylesheets are set up to work that way as well. --'''[[User:Kjoonlee|Kjoon]]'''[[User talk:Kjoonlee|lee]] 21:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== Need IPA help, probably in wrong place ==

[[Willamette River|Wəlæm'ət vs. wɪ'læmət]]. The accent should be on the second syllable, sounds like "wuh-''lamm''-it" or "wuh-''lamm''-uht" not "''Will''-uhm-ett" (a quick marker for a tourist). I think this is wrong and I have changed it, but my knowledge of the [[International Phonetic Alphabet|IPA]] is pretty weak. If there's an "IPA help board" somewhere, feel free to move this comment there.[[User:Somedumbyankee|Somedumbyankee]] ([[User talk:Somedumbyankee|talk]]) 01:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, done. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 03:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== "Non-Contextual" Claim ==

"There are no letters that have context-dependent sound values (as <c> does in English and other European languages)"

That's not true. That's the idea, yes, but in practice you have variable usage in some cases, such as dipthongs ending in [i] being regularly transcribed with <ɪ>, e.g. <eɪ> for [ei] as in "bay". [[User:LokiClock|LokiClock]] ([[User talk:LokiClock|talk]]) 15:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

:By writing it <eɪ>, the author is claiming that it ''is'' [eɪ] (or /eɪ/), so that isn't context dependent. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 23:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::But English vowels are almost universally listed with [ɪ], not [i]. I have never in any dialect heard that dipthong pronounced <eɪ>. Yet it's under the official IPA help page for English. [[User:LokiClock|LokiClock]] ([[User talk:LokiClock|talk]]) 19:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
::Also, the same sound is transcribed both ways, when they'd obviously be transcribed the same way every time if it was non-contextual. The only way you could confuse [ei] with [eɪ] would be if you confused the sound values that correspond to the characters, which can easily be the case, since they're both variants of the letter I. [[User:LokiClock|LokiClock]] ([[User talk:LokiClock|talk]]) 17:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:::It really sounds like /ei/ to me too. But I know Ladefoged worked w my dialect, and when he mapped the diphthongs in vowels space, they didn't quite reach /i/. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== Google Chrome ==

It looks like we have a new problem. The new Google Chrome browser does not display IPA very well. Especially diacritics like superscripts and ties. Any ideas how to find a remedy? &minus;[[User:Woodstone|Woodstone]] ([[User talk:Woodstone|talk]]) 13:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:Looks perfectly fine to me—same as in Firefox... [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small>&nbsp;([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 13:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

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File:Ivatt tank Keighley & Worth Valley Railway.jpg
Ivatt 2MT 2-6-2T 41241 at Haworth station
The Platform, Oxenhope Railway Station, terminus of the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway (photo by Nigel Homer, 2006)
Damems Junction signal box

The Keighley and Worth Valley Railway is a five-mile (eight-km) long heritage railway line in West Yorkshire, England, that runs from Keighley to Oxenhope. It connects to the national rail network line at Keighley. It is currently the first and only Heritage Railway that operates a whole branch line in its original form.

History

The line was built in 1867 by local mill owners, but operated by the Midland Railway, which owned most of the rail network in the area, and was eventually bought by the Midland.

After becoming part of the London, Midland and Scottish Railway in 1923, ownership passed to British Railways following nationalisation in 1948. As a part of the rail cutbacks in the 1960s, British Railways closed the line at the end of 1962.

However a preservation society was formed which bought the line from BR and reopened it in 1968 as a heritage railway. The line is now a major tourist attraction operated entirely by volunteers and carries more than 110,000 passengers every year. The KWVR is currently the only preserved railway that operates a complete branch line in its original form. It is celebrated among beer lovers for operating the only buffet car serving real ale.

The line and its bridges and tunnels including a deviation were built as single track but with provision for duplication, should the need arise.

Stations and facilities

Special events

  • During Summer 2008, 45212 is expected to return for the final of its 3 visits permitted during its 10 year boiler certificate, to participate in an event to mark 40 years since the end of steam on BR.

Operational steam locomotives

80002
  • BR 2-6-4T Class 4MT no. 80002 (Used regularly, especially in summer, boiler ticket expires in 2015)
  • L&Y 0-6-0 Class 25 "Ironclad" no. 957 (later BR Class 2F no. 52044, boiler ticket expires in 2011) (Used on summer vintage trains and during special events)
  • LMS 2-6-2T Class 2MT no. 41241 (Used regularly)
  • LMS 0-6-0T Class 3F "Jinty" no. 47279 (Used regularly. boiler ticket expires in 2011)
  • Taff Vale Railway 0-6-2T no. 85 (Used regularly, boiler ticket expires in June 2009)
  • BR 2-8-0 Austerity no. 90733 (In regular use, boiler ticket expires in 2017)
  • Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0T no. 1704 "Nunlow" steam tested and moved under its own power 6th June 2008. (Boiler ticket expires 2018)

Steam Locomotives undergoing light repair

Steam locomotives under overhaul or restoration

  • BR standard class 4 4-6-0 no. 75078 (Undergoing a ten year overhaul. Boiler away for overhaul. Completion is due for 2014)
  • Midland Railway 3835 Class 0-6-0 (LMS Class 4F) no. 43924 (Stripped down for restoration. Good progress is being made on the overhaul, which is focusing on the frames presently. Boiler away for overhaul. Completion is expected in 2012)
  • LNER 0-6-0ST Class J94 no. 68077 (Undergoing overhaul at the Spa Valley Railway where the loco's dismantling is nearly done)
  • SR 4-6-2 West Country Class no. 34092 "City of Wells" (The boiler cladding is now all on and the boiler is now being tackled. The engine is expected to steam in 2009)
  • USATC S160 Class 2-8-0 no. 5820 "Big Jim" (Under restoration; the frames are making good progress. Driving wheels re-tyred. Most brake and suspension parts have been overhauled or renewed. Refitting has begun. New tender bogies require some modification.)
  • LNWR Webb Coal Tank 0-6-2T no. 1054 (Undergoing restoration at Ingrow Workshops with work on the frames and boiler going well)
  • LMS 0-6-0ST L&YR Class 23 No 752. Undergoing restoration, the frames, smokebox and saddle tank are just about finished and the boiler has been steam tested, a few more jobs need to be done like putting the locomotive back together again, planned to be in traffic in 2008.

Stored and static steam locomotives

  • BR 2-6-0 Class 2MT no. 78022. (Withdrawn for ten year overhaul in 2002 and is currently on display in the museum at Oxenhope. It is expected that the overhaul will begin in 2010)
  • GWR 0-6-0PT 5700 Class no. 5775. On display at Oxenhope. (Not expected to enter the workshops before 2019)
  • L&Y 0-4-0ST Class 21 "Pug" no. 68 (later BR Class 0F no. 51218). (Stored awaiting overhaul which is planned to start once 752 is finished)
  • LMS 4-6-0 Class 5XP Jubilee no. 45596 "Bahamas". (Awaiting overhaul. Funding is being arranged by the Bahamas Trust, and work will begin upon completion of the 'Coal Tank')
  • LMS 2-8-0 Class 8F no. 48431. (On display in the museum at Oxenhope)
  • SR 0-6-0T Class USA no. 30072. (On display in the Oxenhope museum, requires extensive firebox repairs. Not expected to enter the workshops before 2019)
  • MSC 0-6-0ST no. 31 Hamburg. (Requires a new inner firebox and a general overhaul)
  • LMR 0-6-0ST no. 118 "Brussels". (Requires a general overhaul)
  • Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST no. 2258 "Tiny". (On display at Ingrow awaiting a general overhaul, owned by the Bahamas trust)
  • Robert Stephenson and Hawthorns 0-4-0 crane tank no. 7069 "Southwick". (On display at Ingrow awaiting overhaul)
  • Manning Wardle 0-4-0ST "Lord Mayor". (On display at Ingrow awaiting overhaul)

Operational diesel locomotives

  • BR 0-6-0 Hudswell Clarke (British Rail Class D2/12) shunter no. D2511. In use as the Works train shunter after a recent engine and cylinder liner repair.
  • BR 0-6-0 Class 08 no. 13336 (ex-08266). In use but restricted to Haworth yard duties as the Locomotive is currently suffering from worn tyres. Appeared at 2008 Diesel Gala working shuttles between Keighley and Ingrow.
  • Port of Bristol Authority Diesel Mechanical 0-6-0 no. 23 "Merlin". In use, currently at Oxenhope station as it is the carriage and wagon shunter.
  • BR Bo-Bo Class 25 no. 25059 (ex-D5209). In service following repairs.

Diesel locomotives under repair

  • BR 0-6-0 Prototype EE shunter no. D226 "Vulcan". Suffered a main generator failure in June 2006 and has also developed bearing problems. A group have now started the overhaul of the engine.
  • Mersey Docks and Harbour Board Diesel Mechanical 0-6-0 no. 32 "Huskisson". Currently undergoing a long delayed axlebox overhaul.
  • BR Bo-Bo Class 20 no. D8031 (ex-20031). Returned to traffic in July 2006 after a generator repair. Out of service again due to main generator bearing failure.

Operational diesel multiple units

  • BR Class 108 unit 50928+51565. Both are in regular use but when the 101 set is in traffic this set will be withdrawn for overhaul.
  • BR Railbuses No 79964. In regular use on morning diesel services.

Diesel multiple units under overhaul or restoration

  • BR Class 101 unit 51803+51189. Under restoration. Both vehicle's mechanical restorations have been done and both are shortly going to be painted in BR blue. The unit is expected to start carrying passengers in 2007.
  • BR Railbuses No 79962. Currently stored and sheeted over in Haworth yard, the engines restoration has been finished and once shed space is available the body, wheels and frames will be restored. It is expected to be finished in 2008 which is the railways 40th anniversery of when it was first preserved.

Locomotive notes

  • 'Black Five' no.45212 is operational but currently based on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, as part of a deal which will see it running there until it has covered 70,000 miles. This could take the entire 10-year duration of the boiler ticket.
  • 'Coal Tank' no.1054 is currently undergoing overhaul at Ingrow. Once its owning group have completed the repairs, attention will be focused on returning "Bahamas" to traffic.
  • Steam Engines in line for a return to steam before the end of the decade are no.34092 "City Of Wells", and no.43924, which was the first engine salvaged from Barry Scrapyard in South Wales to be returned to steam on a heritage line, back in the 1970s.
  • Somerset & Dorset Railway 7F 2-8-0 no.53809, currently based at the Midland Railway Butterley, is due to visit the K&WVR in Autumn for their second steam gala of the year. This will be the locomotive's second visit, as it spent time on the railway during the 1980s.
  • Class 101 vehicle No 51803 is operational but out of service awaiting a repaint in BR blue livery, 51189's interior and mechanical restoration is nearing completion and it to is awaiting a reapaint. The unit will hopefully be ready for service in 2007 allowing the 108 set to be withdrawn for repairs.

Vintage carriages

The railway has a large collection of Vintage Carriages. Some are used to carry passengers on specially selected open days.

Metropolitan 465 'Dreadnought' 9-compartment third built 1919
SR 3554 'Matchboard' Continental Brake third built 1924

Use In film and television

The line and its stations has been used numerous period film and television productions including films The Railway Children and Yanks & in an episode of the longest running sitcom Last of the Summer Wine in 1979.

External links

Wikimedia Commons has media related to Keighley and Worth Valley Railway.
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