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Statistics of [[Hungarian National Championship I|Nemzeti Bajnokság I]] in season [[1904]].
===[[List of anthems by country]]===


==Overview==
[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of anthems by country/archive2|previous FLC]] (18:30, 9 July 2008)
It was contested by 9 teams, and [[MTK Hungária FC]] won the championship.


==League standings==
I've been working on this on and off for six months. It has been through two FLCs, and I think it's ready now. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 05:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
|Pos||Club||P||W||D||L||GF||GA||Pts
|-
||1||[[MTK Hungária FC]]||16||11||3||2||28||13||25
|-
||2||[[Ferencvárosi TC]]||16||11||2||3||48||16||24
|-
||3||[[Budapest TC]]||16||9||4||3||28||13||22
|-
||4||[[MUE]]||16||6||4||6||21||30||16
|-
||5||[[Postás]]||16||6||2||8||17||17||14
|-
||6||[[Magyar Athlétikai Club]]||16||6||2||8||25||27||14
|-
||7||[[MAFC]]||16||4||5||7||22||23||13
|-
||8||[[33 FC]]||16||4||4||8||20||31||12
|-
||9||[[Fővárosi TC]]||16||0||4||12||16||55||4
|}


==References==
'''Comments'''
*[http://www.rsssf.com/tablesh/honghist.html Hungary - List of final tables (RSSSF)]
* <s>What makes http://www.national-anthems.org/origins.htm a reliable source?</s>
: Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the [[tools:~dispenser/view/Checklinks|link checker tool]]. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 15:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:: Replace with an NPR link. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 17:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


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{{Hungarian Premier League seasons}}
'''Comments'''
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*<s>"Near the end of the century, the ... , written in 1792 and adopted in 1795" - near the end of the century seems redundant with the dates there.</s>
*I am sure you have considered this but is it not worth noting the exclusions of Scotland, N Ireland, Wales as by definition they are I believe '''countries''' (see [[constituent country]])
*Being picky I believe the UK national anthem is "God Save the King" regardless of the monarchs gender, it is just the words that are replaced - [http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page829] (this might cause more trouble than it's worth though)
*<s>Lebanon's date "1927" doesn't sort properly.</s>
**Fixed. [[User:Eklipse|Eklipse]] ([[User talk:Eklipse|talk]]) 09:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
*<s>Might be worth linking [[Czechoslovakia]] in the Czech Rep. year notes</s>
*<s>Czech anthem links <nowiki>[[Kde domov můj|Kde domov můj?]]</nowiki> which redirects to <nowiki>[[Kde domov můj?]]</nowiki> - remove piping</s>
*<s>The Slovakian national anthem was originally the "second strophe" of the Czechoslovakia anthm (see [[Kde domov můj?]]) whereas the Czech Republic anthem was the "first strophe" of it. It seems inconsistent to note the founding date of Czech Rep. anthem to Czechoslovakia but not Slovakia's.</s>
*<s>Thailands '''royal''' anthem is listed in the table with a civil one. Is neither/both of these the national anthem?</s>
**The royal anthem should be noted in the notes thought as this currently isn't a "List of ''national'' anthems by country". <small>[[User:Rambo's Revenge|<b><font color="#E32636">Rambo's Revenge</font></b>]] [[User talk:Rambo's Revenge|<small><b><font color="#FFA500">(talk)</font></b></small>]] 20:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
*<s>Solomon Islands has [note 1] but nothing in note 1 about it.</s>
**Not what I meant - I mean Solomon Islands should be added to the list as part of note 1, as "God save..." is their royal anthem. <small>[[User:Rambo's Revenge|<b><font color="#E32636">Rambo's Revenge</font></b>]] [[User talk:Rambo's Revenge|<small><b><font color="#FFA500">(talk)</font></b></small>]] 20:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
[[User:Rambo's Revenge|<b><font color="#E32636">Rambo's Revenge</font></b>]] [[User talk:Rambo's Revenge|<small><b><font color="#FFA500">(talk)</font></b></small>]] 20:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


[[Category:Football in Hungary]]
: All done. Countries used are listed at [[list of countries]] as the box at the top of the table says. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 20:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:1904 domestic football (soccer) leagues]]
:: The box at the top fails [[WP:Selfref]] and it's worth keeping an eye on the fact that it is also currently a TfD. [[User:Rambo's Revenge|<b><font color="#E32636">Rambo's Revenge</font></b>]] [[User talk:Rambo's Revenge|<small><b><font color="#FFA500">(talk)</font></b></small>]] 20:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:1904 in football (soccer)]]


[[hu:1904-es magyar labdarúgó-bajnokság (első osztály)]]
::: Done <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 20:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
[[sr:Прва лига Мађарске у фудбалу 1904.]]

'''<s>Oppose (for now)</s>'''
*With the removal of {{tl|About lists of countries and territories}} per my previous comments, the essential content of what was in the box needs to be added to the list as prose (as suggested at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:About lists of countries and territories|its TfD]]).
[[User:Rambo's Revenge|<b><font color="#E32636">Rambo's Revenge</font></b>]] [[User talk:Rambo's Revenge|<small><b><font color="#FFA500">(talk)</font></b></small>]] 15:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

: Done <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 15:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Wrt that added summary
*"Depenedent territories"? - this list doesn't include [[Puerto Rico]], [[Faroe Islands]] etc.
*"Independent states? - this list doesn't include [[Abkhazia]], [[South Ossetia]] etc.
I'm afraid that latest addition isn't enough, you'll need to be more precise about the criteria of inclusion for the list.
[[User:Rambo's Revenge|<b><font color="#E32636">Rambo's Revenge</font></b>]] [[User talk:Rambo's Revenge|<small><b><font color="#FFA500">(talk)</font></b></small>]] 18:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:: Did you check the latest version that sources the United States government? <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 18:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I strongly suggest to use the list of UN members which would include all the states widely recognised excluding Taiwan and Vatican. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 22:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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'''Support''' with a final comment
*São Tomé and Príncipe should sort as Sa... but currently it comes after Sy... when sorting by name.
[[User:Rambo's Revenge|<b><font color="#E32636">Rambo's Revenge</font></b>]] [[User talk:Rambo's Revenge|<small><b><font color="#FFA500">(talk)</font></b></small>]] 10:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
: Fixed <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 14:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

'''Comments'''
*''Many countries have anthems, defined as "a song, as of praise, devotion, or patriotism";[1] most anthems are either marches or hymns in style'' many and most are very vague. Please use a more precise term (i.e. over half, over 60%, etc.)
*''A hymn can become a country's national anthem by a provision in the country's constitution, by a law enacted by its legislature, or simply by tradition'' perhaps give an example for each case?
*''Some countries also use the royal anthem as the national anthem'' please give some kind of figure, or an example at least.
*the historic paragraph describes only 3 cases, without making the reader why are the UK and the French examples relevant. What about outside Europe? When did countries start having hymns from when they got independence? (i.e. when did it became truly a common practice?)
*The multilingual country of Spain has no words in its anthem => I am not sure multilingual is the best possible word & has no words <u>officially</s>
*Why is the image chosen for that of Hungary? There is no access to the Dutch one?
*What about the usual length of the anthems? (timewise)
*Is it possible to put the exact references used somewhere in the article? perhaps right after [13] or after "'''National anthem'''"
[[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 22:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

: All done. I've switched to the UN. Instead of "many" I've used "most"; I don't want to get much more specific than that so that a dispute won't flare up. It's accurate as it stands now. I've given the anthem of Jordan as one that is used both as a national and a royal anthem. There is sheet music for the Dutch anthem online but I'm uncertain about how the copyright works on those, so I'm sticking to what I can find on the Commons. Length? Sources will definitely disagree with each other on that, if I can even find any. I think the three general references are sufficient; they cover the entire table. The information is from them, and the information found in each one backs up the other. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 04:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 15:05, 10 October 2008

Statistics of Nemzeti Bajnokság I in season 1904.

Overview

It was contested by 9 teams, and MTK Hungária FC won the championship.

League standings

Pos Club P W D L GF GA Pts
1 MTK Hungária FC 16 11 3 2 28 13 25
2 Ferencvárosi TC 16 11 2 3 48 16 24
3 Budapest TC 16 9 4 3 28 13 22
4 MUE 16 6 4 6 21 30 16
5 Postás 16 6 2 8 17 17 14
6 Magyar Athlétikai Club 16 6 2 8 25 27 14
7 MAFC 16 4 5 7 22 23 13
8 33 FC 16 4 4 8 20 31 12
9 Fővárosi TC 16 0 4 12 16 55 4

References

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