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[[Image:Mosnier, George Rodney.jpg|thumb|200px|''Admiral George Brydges Rodney, 1st Baron Rodney'', by [[Jean-Laurent Mosnier]], painted 1791]]


[[Admiral]] '''George Brydges Rodney, 1st Baron Rodney''', [[Order of the Bath|KB]] ([[13 February]], [[1719]]<ref>day and year of birth [http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp familysearch.org]Accessed May 23, 2007</ref> &ndash; [[May 24]] [[1792]]) was a [[Kingdom of Great Britain|British]] naval officer.
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He was born in [[Walton-on-Thames]], though the family seat was [[Rodney Stoke]], [[Somerset]]. His father had served in [[Spain]] under the [[Charles Mordaunt, 3rd Earl of Peterborough|Earl of Peterborough]], and on quitting the army served as captain in a marine corps which was disbanded in 1713. George was sent to [[Harrow School|Harrow]], being appointed, on leaving, by warrant dated [[June 21]] [[1732]], a volunteer on board [[HMS Sunderland (1724)|Sunderland]]. While serving on the [[Mediterranean Fleet (United Kingdom)|Mediterranean station]] he was made lieutenant in ''[[HMS Dolphin|Dolphin]]'', his promotion dating [[February 15]], [[1739]]. In 1742, he attained the rank of [[post-captain]], having been appointed to the ''[[HMS Plymouth (1708)|Plymouth]]'' on [[November 9]]. After serving in home waters, he obtained command of the battleship ''[[HMS Eagle (1745)|Eagle]]'' 60, and in this ship took part in [[Edward Hawke|Hawke]]'s victory off [[Ushant]] ([[14 October]] [[1747]]) over the French fleet. On that day Rodney gained his first laurels for gallantry, under a chief to whom he was in a measure indebted for subsequent success.
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== Commander ==
Thanks. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 19:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
On [[May 9]] [[1749]] he was appointed governor and [[Commander-in-Chief (Royal Navy)|commander-in-chief]] of [[Newfoundland (island)|Newfoundland]], with the rank of [[Commodore (RN)|Commodore]], it being usual at that time to appoint a naval officer, chiefly on account of the fishery interests. He was elected M.P. for [[Saltash]] in 1751, and married his first wife, Jane Compton (1730&ndash;1757), sister of [[Charles Compton, 7th Earl of Northampton]], in 1753. During the [[Seven Years' War]] Rodney rendered important services. In 1757, he had a share in the expedition against [[Rochefort]], commanding the battleship ''[[HMS Dublin (1757)|Dublin 74]]''. Next year, in the same ship, he served under [[Edward Boscawen|Boscawen]] at the [[Siege of Louisbourg (1758)|taking of Louisburg]] ([[Cape Breton Island]]).


On [[19 May]] [[1759]] he became a [[rear admiral]], and was shortly after given command of a small [[squadron (naval)|squadron]] intended to destroy a large number of flat-bottomed boats and stores which were being collected at [[Le Havre|Havre]] for an invasion of the English coasts. He bombarded the town for two days and nights, and inflicted great loss of war-material on the enemy. In July 1760, with another small squadron, he succeeded in taking many more of the enemy's flat-bottomed boats and in blockading the coast as far as [[Dieppe, France|Dieppe]]. Elected M.P. for [[Penryn (UK Parliament constituency)|Penryn]] in 1761, he was in October of that year appointed commander-in-chief of the [[Leeward Islands]] station, and within the first three months of 1762 [[British expedition against Martinique|had reduced the important island of Martinique]], while both [[St Lucia]] and [[Grenada]] had surrendered to his squadron. During the siege of [[Fort-de-France|Fort Royal (later Fort de France)]] his seamen and marines rendered splendid service on shore. At the peace of 1763, Admiral Rodney returned, home, having been during his absence made Vice-Admiral of the Blue and having received the thanks of both houses of parliament.
== AFD ==


In 1764, Rodney was created a [[baronet]], and the same year he married Henrietta, daughter of John Clies of [[Lisbon]]. From 1765 to 1770, he was governor of [[Greenwich Hospital (London)|Greenwich Hospital]], and on the dissolution of parliament in 1768 he successfully contested [[Northampton]] at a ruinous cost. When appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Jamaica station in 1771, he lost his Greenwich post, but a few months later received the office of [[Rear-Admiral of Great Britain]]. Until 1774, he held the Jamaica command, and during a period of quiet, was active in improving the naval yards on his station. Sir George struck his flag with a feeling of disappointment at not obtaining the governorship of Jamaica, and was shortly after forced to settle in Paris. Election expenses and losses at play in fashionable circles had shattered his fortune, and he could not secure payment of the salary as Rear-Admiral of Great Britain. In February 1778, having just been promoted Admiral of the White, he used every possible exertion to obtain a command, to free himself from his money difficulties. By May, he had, through the splendid generosity of his Parisian friend [[Louis Antoine de Gontaut|Marshal Biron]], effected the latter task, and accordingly he returned to London with his children. The debt was repaid out of the arrears due to him on his return. The story that he was offered a French command is fiction.
Please give a ''reason'' for your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FBill_Ayers_election_controversy&diff=226999730&oldid=226988520 choice], per [[Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#Discussion]]. -- [[User:Scjessey|Scjessey]] ([[User talk:Scjessey|talk]]) 15:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


== American Revolutionary years ==
: No. Now leave me alone. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 20:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:George Brydges Rodney, 1st Baron Rodney - Project Gutenberg eText 18314.jpg|thumb|George Brydges Rodney, from an engraving by Edward Finden, after the painting by W. Grimaldi]]


Sir George was appointed once more commander-in-chief of the Leeward Islands late in 1779. His orders were to relieve Gibraltar on his way to the West Indies. He captured a Spanish convoy off [[Cape Finisterre]] on [[8 January]] [[1780]], and eight days later at the [[Battle of Cape St. Vincent (1780)|Battle of Cape St. Vincent]] defeated the Spanish Admiral [[Juan de Lángara|Don Juan de Lángara]] off [[Cape St. Vincent]], taking or destroying seven ships. On [[17 April]] an action, which, owing to the carelessness of some of Rodney's captains, was indecisive, was fought off Martinique with the French Admiral [[Luc Urbain de Bouexic, comte de Guichen|Guichen]]. Rodney, acting under orders, captured the valuable Dutch island of [[St Eustatius]] on [[3 February]] [[1781]]. It had been a great ''entrepôt'' of neutral trade, and was full of booty, which Rodney confiscated. As large quantities belonged to English merchants, he was entangled in a series of costly lawsuits.
::Too funny. I want you to be mentor. It definitely helps to have a sense of humor here. :) ([[User:Wallamoose|Wallamoose]] ([[User talk:Wallamoose|talk]]) 04:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC))


After a few months in England, restoring his health and defending himself in Parliament, Sir George returned to his command in February 1782, and a running engagement with the French fleet on [[April 9]] led up to his crowning victory at the [[Battle of the Saintes]] off Dominica, when on [[12 April]] with thirty-five sail of the line he defeated the [[François Joseph Paul, marquis de Grasetilly, comte de Grasse|Comte de Grasse]], who had thirty-three sail. The French inferiority in numbers was more than counterbalanced by the greater size and superior sailing qualities of their ships, yet five were taken and one sunk, after eleven hours' fighting. This important battle saved [[Jamaica]] and ruined French naval prestige, while it enabled Rodney to write: "Within two little years I have taken two Spanish, one French and one Dutch admirals." A long and wearisome controversy exists as to the originator of the manoeuvre of "breaking the line" in this battle, but the merits of the victory have never seriously been affected by any difference of opinion on the question. A shift of wind broke the French line of battle, and advantage was taken of this by the English ships in two places.
== Your edits to Glenn Greenwald. . . ==


== Legacy ==
Hi CENSEI, I have placed a notice of your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glenn_Greenwald&diff=227947592&oldid=227943689 recent edits] to the Glenn Greenwald biography at the biography of living persons noticeboard ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Glenn_Greenwald here]). Please gain consensus before re-adding the same or like material, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Thanks, [[User:R. Baley|R. Baley]] ([[User talk:R. Baley|talk]]) 04:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Rodney arrived home in August to receive unbounded honour from his country. He had already been created Baron Rodney of Rodney Stoke, Somerset, by patent of [[June 19]] [[1782]], and the House of Commons had voted him a pension of £2000 a year. From this time he led a quiet country life till his death in London. He was succeeded as 2nd Baron by his son, George (1753&ndash;1802), from whom the present baron is descended.


Rodney was unquestionably a most able officer, but he was also vain, selfish and unscrupulous, both in seeking prize money, and in using his position to push the fortunes of his family, although such nepotism was common (not to say normal) at the time. He made his son a post-captain at fifteen. He was accused by his second-in-command, [[Samuel Hood, 1st Viscount Hood|Samuel Hood]], of sacrificing the interest of the service to his own profit, and of showing want of energy in pursuit of the French on [[April 12]] [[1782]]. It must be remembered that he was then prematurely old and wracked by disease.
== Removal of referenced text from Hannity's book article==


See General Mundy, ''Life and Correspondence of Admiral Lord Rodney'' (2 vols, 1830); David Hannay, ''Life of Rodney''; Rodney letters in ''9th Report of Hist. manuscripts Coin.'', pt. iiL; "Memoirs," in ''Naval Chronicle'', i. 353-93; and Charnock, ''Biographia Navalis'', v. 204-28. Lord Rodney published in his lifetime (probably 1789) ''Letters to His Majesty's Ministers'', etc., relative to St Eustatius, etc., of which there is a copy in the [[British Museum]]. Most of these letters are printed in Mundy's ''Life'', vol. ii., though with many variant readings.
I reverted the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Let_Freedom_Ring%3A_Winning_the_War_of_Liberty_over_Liberalism&diff=229914649&oldid=229903887 changes] you made to the article. Please be aware that there has been a consensus building process in the discussion page. Please discuss specific issues in the talk page or request for an [[WP:RFC|RFC]] if you are not satisfied with the outcome of the discussion. Well, I happen to notice your previous talk about Glenn Greenwald. <FONT FACE="Benguiat Bk BT" SIZE="+1" Color="#FF0000">[[User:Docku|Docku]]</FONT><sup><FONT FACE="Benguiat Bk BT" SIZE="+1" Color="blue">[[User talk:Docku|Hi]]</FONT></sup> 10:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


At least four serving warships of the Royal Navy have been named [[HMS Rodney|HMS ''Rodney'']] in his honour.
: I did not reinsert the material because the BLP policy would seem to indicate that when there is a legitimate dispute over whether or not content is appropriate it is up to the editors who want to see it included to make the case before the material can go in the article. That’s why the process went forward on the Greenwald article with the material not included. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 14:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


One of the five [[House System|houses]] of [[United Kingdom|British]] [[public school (England)|public school]] [[Churcher's College]] is named for him.
== Your removal of factual material from [[Brian Ross (journalist)]] ==


[[Image:Rodney monument.jpg|thumb|left|Monument of George Brydges Rodney in Memorial in [[Spanish Town]]]]
What are you saying [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_Ross_%28journalist%29&diff=230023903&oldid=230023582 here]? That someone who uses a reporter to disseminate false information ''is'' a news source? &mdash; [[User:Goethean|goethean]] [[User_talk:Goethean|&#2384;]] 17:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
In February 1783, the government of [[Jamaica]] commissioned [[John Bacon]], a renowned British sculptor, to create a statue of Admiral Lord Rodney, as an expression of their appreciation. The Assembly spent $5,200 on the statue alone and a reputed $31,000 on the entire project. Bacon sourced the finest marble from [[Italy]] to create the sculpture of the Admiral, dressed in a Roman robe. On its completion, the statue was fronted with a cannon taken from the French flagship in the battle.


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: It is immaterial what you or I think, its Greenwald's opinion, and is not terribly notable in an article about Brian Ross. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 17:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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::Um, no, if the "source" is not a source of facts, but of fiction, that is absolutely central to whether the "source" should be ptotected. &mdash; [[User:Goethean|goethean]] [[User_talk:Goethean|&#2384;]] 18:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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==References==
::: And when a reliable enough source, or better yet several of them come to that conclusion, then it might be noteworthy. Right now all we have is one opinion from one marginally noteworthy person. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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==External links==
:::::''Right now all we have is one opinion from one marginally noteworthy person. ''
*[http://www.heritage.nf.ca/govhouse/governors/g15.html Government House ''The Governorship of Newfoundland and Labrador'']
::::Yeah, versus...you. &mdash; [[User:Goethean|goethean]] [[User_talk:Goethean|&#2384;]] 18:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
*[http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/RHY_RON/RODNEY_GEORGE_BRYDGES_RODNEY_BA.html ''Online 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica Article'']
*[http://www.jewishmag.com/107mag/jewsofeustatius/jewsofeustatius.htm "Retribution:Admiral Rodney and the Jews of St. Eustatius"], by Louis Arthur Norton
*Chapter III, ''Rodney: The Form'' in {{gutenberg|no=18314|name=Types of Naval Officers}}, by [[Alfred Thayer Mahan|A. T. Mahan]]


{{NLLG}}
:::::: Sorry guy, but its clear that you have to source it, the source has to be notable on that topic, and it has to be a significant enough event to include it in the article. These are the rules, as I am quickly coming to understand them, and I will enforce them where I encounter them being broken. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


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CENSEI wrote: "I have been going through a lot of the articles you have contributed to and I just have to say ..... not cool." Please CENSEI refrain from [[WP:STALK]]. Seriously, your edits are sloppy, you are confrontational, your edit summaries are often misleading and you are focusing on removing left-leaning criticism while boost up right-leaning criticism. This isn't NPOV editing, it is merely partisan editing, not an effort to improve Wikipedia. Bring up your concerns with Goethean on the [[WP:RS]] talk page and get others involved otherwise you are violating [[WP:STALK]] and creating a disturbance. Wikipedia should not be a contest of wills, no matter how strongly you feel about things. --[[User:John Bahrain|John Bahrain]] ([[User talk:John Bahrain|talk]]) 01:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
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[[ja:ジョージ・ロドニー]]
:<blockquote>Reading another user's contribution log is not in itself harassment; those logs are public for good reason. In particular, proper use of an editor's history includes (but is not limited to) fixing errors or violations of Wikipedia policy or correcting related problems on multiple articles</blockquote>, so I certainly dispute the stalking accusation. My edits may be sloppy for now, but I am a quick learner. Please point to an example where I removed left leaning criticism and boosted right leaning criticism? All I have done so far is to decreas all criticism, especialy when it violates policy. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI|talk]]) 01:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
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[[zh:喬治·布里奇斯·羅德尼,第一代羅德尼男爵]]
:I'll repeat myself: bring in others and aim for consensus. Wikipedia isn't a contest of wills and if you just go around reverting Goethean's edits in a sloppy fashion while treathening and berating him, you are just creating an unpleasant atmosphere that isn't going to conclusively solve things. I think your removal of Goethean's unsourced addition to the Brian Ross article earlier was a good one since it wasn't at all sourced. But arguing about WP:WEIGHT is not a clear-cut battle and saying that TPM and Glenn Greenwald aren't valid sources is I think going too far. I think you are editing too fast in the case of Milbank as there were good sources that supported that material, including Politico, but you were just removing it wholesale while being confrontational with Goethean. You aren't aiming for consensus, you are trying to dominate via a contest of wills, just what I was saying that Goethean shouldn't try to do earlier. --[[User:John Bahrain|John Bahrain]] ([[User talk:John Bahrain|talk]]) 01:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:: I removed nothing from the Milbank article, I just trimmed it down to an approproate length, as pwe [[WP:WEIGHT]]. Consensus does not trump policy. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI|talk]]) 01:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Are you sure? This is what I am referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dana_Milbank&diff=230028885&oldid=230026286 --[[User:John Bahrain|John Bahrain]] ([[User talk:John Bahrain|talk]]) 01:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

To answer your earlier question, here is an edit that I felt boosted up a right-leaning take on things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Halperin&diff=next&oldid=230050033

Notice how you emphasized the "reinforce long standing beliefs of [[liberal bias|media bias]]" based on a reference for which the text isn't even available online. That struck me as strange. You are doing some research for some positions. You just said yourself that you come from Conservapedia. You are also removing TPM and Gleen Greenwald links, which are left leaning sources (and I've seen you remove DailyKos links, but that is more understandable and it is an open blogging site.) You are also ridiculing MMFA. This is unfortunately partisan talk. --[[User:John Bahrain|John Bahrain]] ([[User talk:John Bahrain|talk]]) 01:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

: The whole sentence I added, not just the section above will provides it with the needed context '''Halperin was criticized by conservatives who used the memo to ''reinforce long standing beliefs of [[liberal bias|media bias]]''.'''. I thought I was being clear that is was conservatives, cited fro Ponnuru and the Washington Times that were linking this to thier own perceptions of bias. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 15:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== "BLP board" ==

Can you please provide a link to the specific section so I can participate in that discussion? Thank you. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 00:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

<div class="user-block"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for {{#if:24 hours|a period of '''24 hours'''|a short time}} in accordance with [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|Wikipedia's blocking policy]] for violating the [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]]{{#if:Nedra Pickler|&#32;at [[:Nedra Pickler]]}}. Please be more careful to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] or seek [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] rather than engaging in an [[WP:EW|edit war]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|contest the block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below. {{#if:[[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 11:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)|[[User:Papa November|Papa November]] ([[User talk:Papa November|talk]]) 11:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-3block -->


==Unblock==
{{unblock reviewed|1=Yeago follows me around my edits undoing them and I get blocked? He remvoes a tag on an article when he clearly knows there is an issue with iy and I get blocked? No one sees anything wrong with that? [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 13:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)|decline=Yeago has been blocked as well. In any event, you clearly violated 3RR. And if posting unblock requests in the future, remember to [[WP:GAB#Talk about yourself, not others|talk about yourself, not others]]. — [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 13:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)}}

== ANI-notice ==

Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. {{#if:|The discussion is about the topic [[:{{{1}}}]].}} <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. &mdash; [[User:Goethean|goethean]] [[User_talk:Goethean|&#2384;]] 18:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:At this time, I've blocked your account from editing for 48 hours; the editor you were revert warring with has been blocked for 24 hours. Please note that further edit warring in the near future may result in further blocks of escalating length; I'd instead encourage you to make appropriate use of [[WP:TALK|talk pages]] and Wikipedia's [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] process to better develop [[WP:CON|consensus]] regarding the most appropriate article versions. I appreciate that you're approaching this issue with the best of intentions, and should emphasize that this block is not a punishment -- should you convincingly commit to stop reverting and instead discuss issues (note: "instead" rather than "also"), I'd be happy to consider an unblock request on that condition. Obviously you're welcome to appeal this, as I see you've done with your other recent block. Take care. &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 18:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

==Unblock==
{{unblock reviewed|1=I was blocked for edit warring on and article and vandalism. [[WP:RPA]] would suggest that I have the right to remove a personal attack against me, as Goethean made over at ANI, and the IP editor who called me “a racist, sexist right wing nut job”. I would be more than happy to explain all my edits on talk, as I have done before, and if I am not unblocked for editing, I would like to be unblocked so that I can defend myself over at ANI. Thank you. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC) |decline=Please address ''your'' actions not the actions of other, also it may help to take a peak at [[WP:GAB|this guide to requesting unblocks]] — [[User:Tiptoety|<span style="color:#4E562C;font-weight:bold">Tiptoety</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Tiptoety|<span style="color:#FFDB58">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)}}
:I did replace the {{tl|vandal}} template with {{tl|userlinks}} (they're functionally identical, but most people are more familiar with the former -- I'm not sure if they meant anything by it; they may have just thought it would be a useful template). I can't do anything about an edit summary, unfortunately, but if anything you judge to be an attack remains on a talk page, please point it out. You're welcome to respond on this talk page, in the meantime. &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 18:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

:: Its not about removing the edit summary, I feel as if I was treated unfairly and that no one will take a personal attacks, or even policy issues seriously around here. After complaing about edit warring Goethian's first edit is a revision on the article. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Obama_Nation&diff=231732629&oldid=231724938]. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, in all fairness, the user who called you a "racist, sexist right wing nut job" ''is'' blocked (by me), and you're free to let admins know if that sort of verbal abuse continues. More than anything, the behavior we're hoping for here is discussion (hopefully the civil, consensus-building variety). &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 18:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:::: Yes, in all fairness, three editors are enaged in edit warring: one is blocked for 2 days, one is blocked for one day (and has made peronal attacks), and the other is not blocked at all? How the hell is that fair? [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Has the aforementioned third user violated the [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]]? &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 20:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::: According to the block log, you blocked me for edit warring, and not for 3RR. If I was guilty of edit warring (which in retrospect, I agree that I was) were not all users who were engaged in reverting without talking also guilty of edit warring, it was the same behavior for all users involve din that article for the past several days, including an administrator. And if it was only because I crossed the 3RR boundary, why was I not warned of this instead of going right to the block? All I want is consistency. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 20:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Edit warring describes a general behavior, while 3RR describes both a specific violation and what is commonly referred to as an "electric fence". You've been linked to both policies, over the past few days, and are presumably aware of them. As far as consistency, if police see three cars speeding, two of which are going nearly double the limit and one of which is slightly over, which car(s) do you think are most likely to be pulled over? &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 20:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: Edit warring does describe a certain behavior, a behavior that 4 editors were behaving in, and only 2 of them were punished. Your analogy doesn’t really work because you don’t have to deliberate whom you apply the rules to, you pick and choose who to apply the rules to. So lets try another, more apt analogy. A policeman mans a DUI checkpoint, and is supposed to check the sobriety of every driver that passes him. The first person he sees driving up is his friend, and he waves him through. The second guy he sees, he pulls to the side and smelling alcohol on his breath asks how much he has had to drink, but lets him go through without a breathalyzer. The third guy is pulled to the side given a breathalyzer and blows over the limit and is belligerent to boot, he goes to jail for a day. The last guy is pulled over, and he too blows over the limit, and goes to jail for 2 days. All the analogies do not get around the fact that this was handled selectively and disproportionately. Consistency ….. pass it on. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Not a very good analogy for you, either, I'm afraid. In this case, ''all'' of the "drivers" were checked, and all of those above the "legal limit" were blocked. What's unfair about that? &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<font color="#1E90FF">'''Luna Santin'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 00:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 01:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::It was my racing that led us both past this legal limit. I apologize for this. But fair is fair; 3RR is 3RR. The other editors of the article are doing no such racing--they are innocuous contributers who deserve the benefit of the doubt.[[User:Yeago|Yeago]] ([[User talk:Yeago|talk]]) 01:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== McMaster-Carr ==

I am fully aware that McMaster-Carr is not the cheapest place in the world, but it is extremely convenient because one of their warehouses is in chicago and I can get same day delivery for the price of UPS ground. Note only that, but they usually carry just about anything I need in stock (although I do wish they had a fuller metric hardware selection...but you can't have everything). For all of our production requirements we definitely use distributors to help with the cost, supply, and management. McMaster is also great for getting onesies and twosies for prototypes =) --[[User:Wizard191|Wizard191]] ([[User talk:Wizard191|talk]]) 01:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

: Elmhurst actually :) I sent one of my engineers out there, and he passed it 5 times trying to find it ... how someone missed a 3 million squarefoot solid brick building is beyond me. McMaster Carr has saved my ass before as well. Where else can I order a hasteloy gearpump and be 100% confident that I can pick it up 40 minutes after I call them. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 02:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

== Article probation notice ==

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== Sorry ==
Although we are evidently coming from different political perspectives, I want to apologize for accusing you of a POV rv on the TON article. It was a true lapse on my part, but a good faith mistake. Aloha, [[User:Arjuna808|Arjuna]] ([[User talk:Arjuna808|talk]]) 02:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

: No problem, but whats the TON article? [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 14:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

::I wasn't watching this page, and would have replied earlier. TON = [[The Obama Nation]]. Anyway, it was my bad and sorry again. [[User:Arjuna808|Arjuna]] ([[User talk:Arjuna808|talk]]) 00:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

== I'm inviting your comment ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Paris_Hilton_energy_plan ''Here''] (and also, if possible, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_August_19#Image:Paris_Hilton_Responds_to_McCain_Ad_.E2.80.93_talking_head.jpg ''here?''])[[User:Justmeherenow|<span style="font-family: Mistral ; font-size: 10p"> &nbsp;<math>\sim</math>&nbsp;J''ust''me''here''now</span>]] [[User talk:Justmeherenow|<small>'''''(&nbsp;&nbsp;)'''''</small>]] 05:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Your rant ==

You know, you could say the same thing about you, showing up at the [[Helen Thomas]] and [[Joseph C. Wilson]] articles shortly after my edits there. But we are all free to edit whatever article we want to. Wikipedia isn't a battleground, it's a collaboration, and if you did more collaborating and less fighting, you might find your time here more productive and fulfilling. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 18:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

: Thats all probably true ... no, all of that is true, no doubt about it. But I have seem many many editors follow me around to articles I have been editing and worse I have seen indiviiduals they are friendly with me around to articles I have been editing so don’t piss on my back and tell me its raining. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks and an appeal for support ==

I thank you for supporting my Milbank edits. You might take a look at a little problem I'm having with the description of Keith Olbermann's "special comment" of August 18, 2008. Best regards! [[User:Badmintonhist|Badmintonhist]] ([[User talk:Badmintonhist|talk]]) 21:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

: NP, it was a good edit. I'll take a look at Olby [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 21:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sourcewatch ==

I offer no opinion on whether [[Sourcewatch]] is an appropriate external link for the Wilson article, but your edit summary [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_C._Wilson&diff=233163812&oldid=233163745 here] is technically mistaken. Wikis can be appropriate external links if they have "a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." ([[WP:EL]]). Obviously, these terms are subjective, but there is no blanket prohibition in wikis as external links. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 23:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

: I was unaware of that, Thanks. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 16:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Mark Halperin]] and [[Helen Thomas]] ==

I find it interesting that you take the point of view that one commentator is not notable at [[Mark Halperin]], but is notable at [[Helen Thomas]]. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 16:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


: Put some perspective on it. Multiple commentators over Thomas’ carrier have accused here of having an anti-Israeli/pro-Palestinian bias, I cited several sources. Thomas’ article is 17K bytes and the Halperin article is 1/3rd the size, one sentence on Thomas’ anti-Israeli agenda, considering it has been made multiple times over many years by multiple RS’s gives it some weight and notability and nothing indicates any longterm or widespread notability for the one sentence Halperin made.

: In short, I do not find it interesting that you don’t see the difference, I see it as typical from you. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 16:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::I'm sorry, one column plus a link to newsbusters is not a well-cited section. If you want to find ''real'' sources, we can craft a section on conservative views about Thomas, but using a crank blog and a discredited attack column to label someone "anti-Israel" doesn't measure up. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 16:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::: It was the MRC, not Newsbusters ... and Tom Shales .... and the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and perhaps a half dozen other sources I have ferreted out today (which I would be more than happy to provide, Commentary has a wonderful article from the late 90's on Thomas). But I am sorry as well, sorry that you feel that MMFA is a reliable enough source for entire sections in articles, and it conservative equivalent is not reliable enough for even a supporting footnote. Foot meet mouth. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::I'm sorry, I don't see them as equivalent just because one is progressive and one is conservative. Just stating it doesn't make it so. There are plenty of reliable conservative sources (''Commentary'', for example), but Newsbusters/MRC (NB is the MRC's blog) is not one of them. You are welcome to add appropriate sources to the Thomas article. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 18:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::: I realize you don’t see them as equivalent, that’s the point and it is what makes many people think you are such a hypocrite. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 19:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::Ever since my first day on Wikipedia I've been accused of any number of biases and hypocrisies. I'm pretty indifferent to such insults at this point, as I see them as standard operating procedure for people unable to debate on the facts and merits of issues. I don't see them as equivalent because they are not equivalent, just like I don't see CNN and Fox as the same thing, or apples and oranges, or white and wheat bread. Just because other people make an arbitrary connection between two things does not require me to do so as well, and not accepting that arbitrary equivalence hardly makes me a hypocrite. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 19:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::: Well good for you, keep telling yourself how "fair" you are and maybe one day you might convince yourself of it. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 20:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: So much for discussing the facts and merits of issues. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 21:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::::: You didnt come here for a discussion of the "facts and merits" of the issue, you came here to troll for an argument. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 21:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::If I was interested in trolling, I certainly found the right place for it. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 21:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::: Perhaps you should refresh yourself with this [[WP:DICK|essay]], looks like you could use the remedial lesson. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 22:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::::Yes, silly me, because everyone is rude and offensive but you. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|talk]])</small> 23:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::::: Hey, I thought I told you not to come back here untill you read that essay. Now go forth and be schooled young padawan. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 23:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

== Please clear something up at Obama-Ayers controversy talk page ==

You recently edited the [[Obama-Ayers controversy]] page. Could you comment at [[Talk:Obama–Ayers controversy#Removal of "Warren criticized Smith" passage]] and clear up whether you support inclusion of the quote as reported by Ben Smith? Wikidemon is saying (a) that the quote tells us nothing; I say it shows Ayers and Dohrn were supporting Obama at that point, not just giving him a forum (something we have from no other source); (b) Wikidemon says Ben Smith is an unreliable source; I say that should be proven before dismissing him. A quick comment by a third editor might clear up where the consensus is on using the quote. Incidentally, I think that once we can footnote the quote to Ben Smith, and we can, it does no harm to link to the blog as well, but that issue is not important to me. -- [[User:Noroton|Noroton]] ([[User talk:Noroton|talk]]) 20:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== FYI ==

Thought you might find this interesting. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keith_Olbermann&diff=206969110&oldid=206918875] [[User:Arzel|Arzel]] ([[User talk:Arzel|talk]]) 04:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

== August 2008 ==
<div class="user-block"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for {{#if:1 week|a period of '''1 week'''|a short time}} in accordance with [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|Wikipedia's blocking policy]] for violating the [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]]{{#if:|&#32;at [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. Please be more careful to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] or seek [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] rather than engaging in an [[WP:EW|edit war]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|contest the block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below. {{#if:true|[[User:CIreland|CIreland]] ([[User talk:CIreland|talk]]) 04:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-3block -->

{{unblock reviewed|1=While block durations are up to the discretion of the blocking admin, a 1 week block for this is unfair since there was some agreement that the material I was removing was in violation of [[WP:BLP]] sourcing requirements. I admit that I should not have violated 3RR without making my reason more clear on the appropriate notice board and/or talk page and I apologize for that. I pledge from here on out not to make a revert for any reason (excluding obvious vandalism), including [[WP:BLP]], without discussing it on the talk page first. I am requesting that my block duration be lowered to the standard 24 hour length or lifted all together. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 14:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)|decline=Block lengths generally increase after each violation of the three revert rule. This is to further discourage people from becoming persistent offenders. This is your ''third'' violation in 20 days - the block, unfortunately, stands.— [[User:Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry|Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry|talk]]) 14:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)}}
:User unblocked per an understanding e-mail discussion - the above block is 'in the past', provided edit-warring does not continue. [[User:Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry|Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry|talk]]) 16:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:: Still blocked ... I saw my log and I am assuming something with the IP didnt work right? [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 16:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I have cleared the autoblock. Try now. [[User:CIreland|CIreland]] ([[User talk:CIreland|talk]]) 18:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:::: Thanks!. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

== Friendly notification ==

This is a courtesy notice to tell you I have [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:CENSEI|requested third-party advice]] regarding our recent discourse. -- [[User:Scjessey|Scjessey]] ([[User talk:Scjessey|talk]]) 02:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
: That would be agreeable. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 13:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::Just to be clear, ''third party advice'' means advice from a third party - not more intimidation, incivility and commentary about unrelated arguments you have had with other editors. -- [[User:Scjessey|Scjessey]] ([[User talk:Scjessey|talk]]) 16:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::: I must apologize ... I didnt think it was a forum where you could lie about me and not allow me to rebut. My bad.[[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 00:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:::: I like this one too. ([[User:Wallamoose|Wallamoose]] ([[User talk:Wallamoose|talk]]) 04:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC))

==Mark Kirk==
Please discuss major edits before making them. Some of the "unsourced" info you removed citing the BLP policies ''were'' sourced. I note you've been warned for this and similar things before; please use caution next time. [[User:Ironholds|<b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b>]][[User talk:Ironholds|<b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b>]] 03:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

: See the article's talk page. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 13:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::I have; see the response by Shsilver. [[User:Ironholds|<b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b>]][[User talk:Ironholds|<b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b>]] 17:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== BLP vio ==

Please stop revert warring to include material against consensus[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bernardine_Dohrn&diff=238679244&oldid=238306425][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bernardine_Dohrn&diff=238679862&oldid=238679434] that has been opposed on BLP grounds. This addition accuses Bernadine Dohrn of murder. You were tendentious to include it in the first place and never had consensus. Now cut it out. Thanks, [[User:Wikidemon|Wikidemon]] ([[User talk:Wikidemon|talk]]) 22:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

: Huh? Everything is sourced to an RS right? What else do I neede? And BTW, where is this consensus, please provide a link to the relevant discussion. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 02:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

:: You need to follow WP:BLP: "''It is not Wikipedia's purpose to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. When writing about a person notable only for one or two events, including every detail can lead to problems, even when the material is well-sourced.''" Also, if there is not consensus for an action, the default is to, surprise, not do the action! There doesn't need to be consensus for keeping the status quo if there is no consensus to change it. Erik the <font color="red">[[User:Erik the Red 2|Red]]</font> 2 <small>(<font color= "maroon">[[User Talk:Erik the Red 2|AVE]]</font>·<font color= "orange">[[Special:Contributions/Erik the Red 2|CAESAR]]</font>)</small> 01:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

==You've Been Mentioned in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harvey_Milk#Summary_of_feedback|Harvey Milk Talk Page]==

The prior section on Milk and the Peoples Temple to which you commented upon has been deleted. A short sentence was re-added. That has since been deleted, by two of the same 3 editors as before.

SandyGeorge stated that you made prior comments. I noted your prior quote ("I think this is worthy of a paragraph and perhaps a short subsection in the article. Milk was heavily involved in the People's Temple (as well as a number of other well known activists who would also like not to be remembered for it), there appears to be plenty of documentation on this, and it would certainly appear to be notable and noteworthy."

Because both SandyGeorge and I raised your name, I thought I'd inform you that the discussion is occurring [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harvey_Milk#Summary_of_feedback|here].[[User:Mosedschurte|Mosedschurte]] ([[User talk:Mosedschurte|talk]]) 23:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[WP:FAR]] for [[Barack Obama]] ==

[[Barack Obama]] has been nominated for a [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_review|featured article review]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured quality]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_review|here]]. Reviewers' concerns are [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/{{#if:|{{{2}}}|Barack Obama}}|here]].

I have nominated [[Barack Obama]] for Featured Article Review. You are welcome to participate in the discussion. [[User:Curious bystander|Curious bystander]] ([[User talk:Curious bystander|talk]]) 00:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Check your email ==

you've got one from me. -- [[User:Noroton|Noroton]] ([[User talk:Noroton|talk]]) 14:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Your edit to [[Elizabeth Bentley]] ==

I wonder if you'd care to explain your reasoning behind [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elizabeth_Bentley&diff=240215547&oldid=240200448 this] edit. To my thinking, the reference quotes you are replacing repeat information that's already in the article text, and are therefor valueless, especially considering that the references are rather frivolous and unnecessary in the first place, in that they don't document [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|a quote, "information about living persons" or anything "likely to be challenged"]].

I look forward to your response. Once you have explained the value of the material in question, I'll drop my opposition to it. [[User:RedSpruce|RedSpruce]] ([[User talk:RedSpruce|talk]]) 13:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

: The material is relevant to the article and undersocres information from the source that is relevant to the subject. No further explanation needed. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 15:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for your response. "Underscores" is an interesting euphemism for "pointlessly repeats". Anyway, I'm gratified to see that you ''have'' no (rational) response, and that I my initial opinion about the incorrectness of your edit was correct. [[User:RedSpruce|RedSpruce]] ([[User talk:RedSpruce|talk]]) 10:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

::: Well, that was certainly snotty of you. Anyhoo, not like it matters, any change you make to the article will be undone. Thansk for playing :) [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 12:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== I think you'll find this interesting ==

Top of the front page, ''The New York Times'', October 4: [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin ''Obama and '60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths''] by Scott Shane. Article continues to page A14, where it covers that entire page, with five pictures. No scoops, just a lot of important coverage with obvious implications for our coverage. -- [[User:Noroton|Noroton]] ([[User talk:Noroton|talk]]) 14:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== NPOV citation found ==

Now that an NPOV citation comparing "[[An American Carol]]" with "[[Religulous]]" has been found at http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/DN-carol_1003gl.ART.State.Edition1.2699bd1.html can we stop the edit warring? [[User:Steelbeard1|Steelbeard1]] ([[User talk:Steelbeard1|talk]]) 18:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

: Well, if you would have put a source there in the first place I wouldnt have had to undo your ridcuolsly NPOV and OR ridden edit in the first place, now would I? [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::They were put there with the weekend box office results. You disputed the validity of the comparisons which is now moot. [[User:Steelbeard1|Steelbeard1]] ([[User talk:Steelbeard1|talk]]) 18:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::: The comparison issue is most certainly not moot. Take this to the appropriate talk page. [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 18:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

=

== Wikidemon et all on ANI ==

If you have anything to add, then it would be greatly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents appreciated]. I'm sure you know how these people keep in contact with each other and "gangbang," for lack of a better term, anyone who they disagree with.[[User:Thegoodlocust|TheGoodLocust]] ([[User talk:Thegoodlocust|talk]]) 04:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Last warning on incivility and personal attacks ==

Your [[WP:ANI]] contributions after the last warning about disruption have continued to be disruptive.

Please stop. Further disruptive editing will result in blocks of your account.

You can argue your points in a cooperative and civil manner. If you chose to continue to do so in a confrontational and rude manner it's a problem for the encyclopedia, and will result in sanctions. There's no need to do this, and it damages our community. [[User:Georgewilliamherbert|Georgewilliamherbert]] ([[User talk:Georgewilliamherbert|talk]]) 20:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

: So, I am just supposed to sit here while people call me pretty much any God damn thing they want? [[User:CENSEI|CENSEI]] ([[User talk:CENSEI#top|talk]]) 20:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== October 2008 ==

[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia{{#if:Steve King|, as you did to [[:Steve King]]}}, you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-delete3 --> '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font></b>]]''' 20:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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Admiral George Brydges Rodney, 1st Baron Rodney, by Jean-Laurent Mosnier, painted 1791

Admiral George Brydges Rodney, 1st Baron Rodney, KB (13 February, 1719[1]May 24 1792) was a British naval officer.

Early career

He was born in Walton-on-Thames, though the family seat was Rodney Stoke, Somerset. His father had served in Spain under the Earl of Peterborough, and on quitting the army served as captain in a marine corps which was disbanded in 1713. George was sent to Harrow, being appointed, on leaving, by warrant dated June 21 1732, a volunteer on board Sunderland. While serving on the Mediterranean station he was made lieutenant in Dolphin, his promotion dating February 15, 1739. In 1742, he attained the rank of post-captain, having been appointed to the Plymouth on November 9. After serving in home waters, he obtained command of the battleship Eagle 60, and in this ship took part in Hawke's victory off Ushant (14 October 1747) over the French fleet. On that day Rodney gained his first laurels for gallantry, under a chief to whom he was in a measure indebted for subsequent success.

Commander

On May 9 1749 he was appointed governor and commander-in-chief of Newfoundland, with the rank of Commodore, it being usual at that time to appoint a naval officer, chiefly on account of the fishery interests. He was elected M.P. for Saltash in 1751, and married his first wife, Jane Compton (1730–1757), sister of Charles Compton, 7th Earl of Northampton, in 1753. During the Seven Years' War Rodney rendered important services. In 1757, he had a share in the expedition against Rochefort, commanding the battleship Dublin 74. Next year, in the same ship, he served under Boscawen at the taking of Louisburg (Cape Breton Island).

On 19 May 1759 he became a rear admiral, and was shortly after given command of a small squadron intended to destroy a large number of flat-bottomed boats and stores which were being collected at Havre for an invasion of the English coasts. He bombarded the town for two days and nights, and inflicted great loss of war-material on the enemy. In July 1760, with another small squadron, he succeeded in taking many more of the enemy's flat-bottomed boats and in blockading the coast as far as Dieppe. Elected M.P. for Penryn in 1761, he was in October of that year appointed commander-in-chief of the Leeward Islands station, and within the first three months of 1762 had reduced the important island of Martinique, while both St Lucia and Grenada had surrendered to his squadron. During the siege of Fort Royal (later Fort de France) his seamen and marines rendered splendid service on shore. At the peace of 1763, Admiral Rodney returned, home, having been during his absence made Vice-Admiral of the Blue and having received the thanks of both houses of parliament.

In 1764, Rodney was created a baronet, and the same year he married Henrietta, daughter of John Clies of Lisbon. From 1765 to 1770, he was governor of Greenwich Hospital, and on the dissolution of parliament in 1768 he successfully contested Northampton at a ruinous cost. When appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Jamaica station in 1771, he lost his Greenwich post, but a few months later received the office of Rear-Admiral of Great Britain. Until 1774, he held the Jamaica command, and during a period of quiet, was active in improving the naval yards on his station. Sir George struck his flag with a feeling of disappointment at not obtaining the governorship of Jamaica, and was shortly after forced to settle in Paris. Election expenses and losses at play in fashionable circles had shattered his fortune, and he could not secure payment of the salary as Rear-Admiral of Great Britain. In February 1778, having just been promoted Admiral of the White, he used every possible exertion to obtain a command, to free himself from his money difficulties. By May, he had, through the splendid generosity of his Parisian friend Marshal Biron, effected the latter task, and accordingly he returned to London with his children. The debt was repaid out of the arrears due to him on his return. The story that he was offered a French command is fiction.

American Revolutionary years

George Brydges Rodney, from an engraving by Edward Finden, after the painting by W. Grimaldi

Sir George was appointed once more commander-in-chief of the Leeward Islands late in 1779. His orders were to relieve Gibraltar on his way to the West Indies. He captured a Spanish convoy off Cape Finisterre on 8 January 1780, and eight days later at the Battle of Cape St. Vincent defeated the Spanish Admiral Don Juan de Lángara off Cape St. Vincent, taking or destroying seven ships. On 17 April an action, which, owing to the carelessness of some of Rodney's captains, was indecisive, was fought off Martinique with the French Admiral Guichen. Rodney, acting under orders, captured the valuable Dutch island of St Eustatius on 3 February 1781. It had been a great entrepôt of neutral trade, and was full of booty, which Rodney confiscated. As large quantities belonged to English merchants, he was entangled in a series of costly lawsuits.

After a few months in England, restoring his health and defending himself in Parliament, Sir George returned to his command in February 1782, and a running engagement with the French fleet on April 9 led up to his crowning victory at the Battle of the Saintes off Dominica, when on 12 April with thirty-five sail of the line he defeated the Comte de Grasse, who had thirty-three sail. The French inferiority in numbers was more than counterbalanced by the greater size and superior sailing qualities of their ships, yet five were taken and one sunk, after eleven hours' fighting. This important battle saved Jamaica and ruined French naval prestige, while it enabled Rodney to write: "Within two little years I have taken two Spanish, one French and one Dutch admirals." A long and wearisome controversy exists as to the originator of the manoeuvre of "breaking the line" in this battle, but the merits of the victory have never seriously been affected by any difference of opinion on the question. A shift of wind broke the French line of battle, and advantage was taken of this by the English ships in two places.

Legacy

Rodney arrived home in August to receive unbounded honour from his country. He had already been created Baron Rodney of Rodney Stoke, Somerset, by patent of June 19 1782, and the House of Commons had voted him a pension of £2000 a year. From this time he led a quiet country life till his death in London. He was succeeded as 2nd Baron by his son, George (1753–1802), from whom the present baron is descended.

Rodney was unquestionably a most able officer, but he was also vain, selfish and unscrupulous, both in seeking prize money, and in using his position to push the fortunes of his family, although such nepotism was common (not to say normal) at the time. He made his son a post-captain at fifteen. He was accused by his second-in-command, Samuel Hood, of sacrificing the interest of the service to his own profit, and of showing want of energy in pursuit of the French on April 12 1782. It must be remembered that he was then prematurely old and wracked by disease.

See General Mundy, Life and Correspondence of Admiral Lord Rodney (2 vols, 1830); David Hannay, Life of Rodney; Rodney letters in 9th Report of Hist. manuscripts Coin., pt. iiL; "Memoirs," in Naval Chronicle, i. 353-93; and Charnock, Biographia Navalis, v. 204-28. Lord Rodney published in his lifetime (probably 1789) Letters to His Majesty's Ministers, etc., relative to St Eustatius, etc., of which there is a copy in the British Museum. Most of these letters are printed in Mundy's Life, vol. ii., though with many variant readings.

At least four serving warships of the Royal Navy have been named HMS Rodney in his honour.

One of the five houses of British public school Churcher's College is named for him.

Monument of George Brydges Rodney in Memorial in Spanish Town

In February 1783, the government of Jamaica commissioned John Bacon, a renowned British sculptor, to create a statue of Admiral Lord Rodney, as an expression of their appreciation. The Assembly spent $5,200 on the statue alone and a reputed $31,000 on the entire project. Bacon sourced the finest marble from Italy to create the sculpture of the Admiral, dressed in a Roman robe. On its completion, the statue was fronted with a cannon taken from the French flagship in the battle.

Political offices
Preceded by Governor of Newfoundland
1749 – 1749
Succeeded by
Military offices
Preceded by Vice-Admiral of Great Britain
1781–1792
Succeeded by
Peerage of the United Kingdom
Preceded by
New Creation
Baron Rodney
1782 — 1792
Succeeded by

References

  1. ^ day and year of birth familysearch.orgAccessed May 23, 2007
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