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{{Infobox Single
==Preliminary comments==
|Name = When I Grow Up
|Cover = PCDwhenigrowup.png
|Artist = [[Pussycat Dolls]]
|B-Side = Close Your Eyes
|from Album = [[Doll Domination]]
|Released = {{Start date|2008|07|10}} <br><small>(see [[#Release history|release history]])</small>
|Format = [[CD single]], [[digital download]]
|Recorded = [[2008]]
|Genre = [[Dance-pop]], [[electropop]]
|Length = 4:05 <small>(Album Version)</small><ref>[http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=282208126&s=143460 Running time]</ref><br>3:54 <small>(Video Edit)</small>
|Label = [[A&M Records|A&M]], [[Interscope Records|Interscope]]
|Writer = [[Rodney Jerkins]], [[Theron Thomas]], Timothy Thomas, [[Jim McCarty]], [[Paul Samwell-Smith]]
|Producer = [[Rodney Jerkins|Darkchild]]
|Last single = "[[Wait a Minute (Pussycat Dolls song)|Wait a Minute]]" <br>(2006)
|This single = "'''When I Grow Up'''" <br>(2008)
|Next single = "[[Whatcha Think About That]]" <br>(2008)
}}


"'''When I Grow Up'''" is a [[dance-pop]] song written by [[USA|American]] [[songwriters]] [[Rodney Jerkins]], [[Theron Thomas]] and Timothy Thomas, and produced by [[Rodney Jerkins|Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins]] for the [[Pussycat Dolls]]' sophomore studio album ''[[Doll Domination]]''. Released as the album's [[lead single]] on [[May 27]] [[2008]], the song has peaked at number nine on the ''[[Billboard]]'' [[Hot 100]] chart, giving the group their fourth top ten single on the chart. The music video won the award for "Best Dancing in a Video" at the [[2008 MTV Video Music Awards]], and was nominated for an additional five awards, including "Video of the Year".
This draft of a notability-equivalent guideline for stand-alone lists is the result of my reading a ridiculous number of list AfDs (something like 800) and the opinions on the current notability RFC, and attempts to express current consensus on what lists are and are not presently permitted, as well as how they are usually judged. Also, I believe the section clarifying the stance with regard to fictional lists is necessary due to the current lack of a [[WP:FICT]] and that they are the primary concern people have with the list exemption proposal at the RFC.


==Background and production==
The page is only a rough outline right now, so I assume it's missing elements and needs various clarifications. Feel free to propose additions, wording changes, etc. --[[User:erachima|erachima]] <small>[[User talk:erachima|talk]]</small> 10:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
{{Audiosample
| Upper caption = Music sample
| Name = When I grow up (Diddy,Lil Wayne and Darkchild remix)
| Audio file= When i grow up remix.ogg
}}


"When I Grow Up" samples the main riff from [[The Yardbirds]] song "He's Always There" off their 1966 studio album ''[[Roger the Engineer]]'', and as a result, [[UK|British]] songwriters [[Jim McCarty]] and [[Paul Samwell-Smith]] have received writing credits for the song. The song was digitally released on [[May 27]] on Amazon,<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0019O5DKS Amazon.com: When I Grow Up: MP3 Downloads: The Pussycat Dolls<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> and iTunes.
Other types of possible fiction lists:
The Pussycat Dolls debuted the song on the ''[[Jimmy Kimmel Live]]'' on [[May 20]],<ref>[http://kappabk.blogs.sapo.pt/140982.html "When I Grow Up" Live at jimmy kimmel]</ref> and have also performed it at the [[2008]] [[MTV Movie Awards]] on [[June 1]], on the American dance show ''[[So You Think You Can Dance]]'' on [[June 12]] [[2008]],The [[MTV Asia Awards]] on [[August 2]] [[2008]], [[The Today Show]] on [[August 28]] [[2008]], at [[Fashion Rocks 5]] on [[September 5th]] [[2008]] , on the German game-show [[Schlag den Raab]] on [[September 13th]] [[2008]],in the [[UK]] [[For One Night Only]] on [[September 14th]] [[2008]] , [[GMTV]] on [[September 16]] [[2008]], at the [[Vodafone]] Live Music Awards on [[September 18th]] [[2008]], on [[The Ellen DeGeneres Show]] on [[September 23rd]] [[2008]] , and on "[[Wal-Mart]] Soundcheck" at the Wal-Mart website.
* ''Lists of serialized media'' - season articles.
* ''Lists of fictional concepts'' - [[Planets in Stargate]], [[Starships in Stargate]], [[Technology in Stargate]].
I am just naming them but have no strong opinion about them one way or another, exept to say that long-running life-action serial works with a big geek following usually have real-world production/conception info that could ''theoretically'' be added, but rarely is because in-universe details are ''so'' much more exciting to keep track of. It is also possible to limit lists of fictional concepts to recurring elements, which automatically limits the depth of in-universe details. &ndash; [[User:Sgeureka|sgeureka]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sgeureka|t]]•[[Special:Contributions/Sgeureka|c]]</sup> 11:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


The song is the first single since the 2008 departure of [[Carmit Bachar]], who had served the longest time with the Dolls since their inception as a [[burlesque]] dance crew in 1995. The song is notable for being their first single to feature a more [[dance-pop]] and [[synthpop]] sounds as opposed to their earlier singles with greater rhythmic and urban influences. As with previous singles, Scherzinger sings the lead as well as backing vocals, also contributing additional background vocals by Thornton. However for the video and radio edit, the other dolls re-recorded backing vocals.
:Season articles are a type of episode list, I think they're sufficiently covered. You're right that the second case is probably worth noting. --[[User:erachima|erachima]] <small>[[User talk:erachima|talk]]</small> 15:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


On [[June 14]], a remix was made and released to the U.S. Mainstream for radio airplay. "When I Grow Up (I Wanna Be)" was released the day after the original "When I Grow Up" song made its video premiere on [[June 13]] on [[FNMTV]]. The song was said to be released on [[September 2]].<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y88DMecDih8]</ref>
I like this, I think there's some potential merging or cross-correlation with my suggested [[User:Masem/Inclusion Guideline|Inclusion Guideline]], in that the points about what make a good list can be used to outline what are good topics for inclusion in sub-inclusion guidelines. I would try to avoid starting from FICT and working outwards, instead thinking more global and then having FICT elements fit into that, only so that this doesn't attempt to customize lists for fiction-uses only (see, for example discussion of professional sports players or any named village/town in any country). --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 18:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
==Criticism==
This idea behind Erachima's proposal is not new, and follows on from [[User:Masem|Masem]]'s proposal to make the article inclusion criteria of the [[Wikipedia:N#General_notability_guideline|General notability guideline]] (GNG) less restrictive for certain subject areas such as fiction [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Notability_%28fiction%29&diff=220168756&oldid=220159644]. At the heart of this proposal is the view that lists can be used as a dumping ground for topics that do not qualify for their own article under [[WP:N]] by placing the topics, or groups of topics (sometimes known as "aggegates") in lists, e.g. [[List of New Order Jedi characters]].


On July 24, a remix of the song leaked onto the internet. It is the official remix featuring [[Fatman Scoop]], [[Sean Combs|Diddy]], [[Lil Wayne]] and [[Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins]]. The song starts off sampling [[Michael Jackson]]s song "[[Thriller (song)|Thriller]]". On the same day another remix leaked, it features [[Eve (rapper)|Eve]].
This proposal is very similar to the [[User:Masem/Inclusion_Guideline#Inclusion_Criteria|inclusion criteria which Masem is proposing]] follows on the heals of the proposal at [[WP:FICT#Fictional elements as part of a larger topic]] to provide exemption from [[WP:N]] for topics of unproven notability. What they have in comon is that topics of unproven notability such as fictional characters or television episodes would be allowed to be the subject of lists, provided that it could be demonstrated that the topic inherited from a topic of proven notability. However, this proposal was flawed because [[WP:INHERITED|notability cannot be inherited/presumed/acknowledged]]in the absence of reliable secondary sources.


==Lyrical Content==
Even if notability could be inherited, the proposal does not provide any workable rules as to how inhertited notability actually works other than the statement that a list must be "Related to a notable topic", which means that the list's scope should be integrally tied to an existing Wikipedia article on a notable subject. Since every article in Wikipedia is in some way tied to related topics, it is hard to understand which articles could actually fail this criteria. The achilles heal of this prosoal is that could not prevent content forks other than having to rely on "expert opinion", which would mean relying on editors opinions about a topic's notability, rather than on relying on evidence. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 15:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Many critics were initially confused by the chorus line "I wanna have groupies" - mistaking this for "I wanna have boobies"<ref>http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/cd_reviews/article4775168.ece</ref>.<ref>http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/chartblog/2008/09/</ref> [[BBC Radio 1]] set up a [[phone-in]] to ask viewers to identify what word they thought was being sung, after the particular line of the song had been played to them.{{Fact|date=September 2008}} Comedian [[Ellen DeGeneres]] also pointed this out when they performed the song on her talk show on September 23, 2008.


On September 16th 2008, while singing on popular British breakfast show [[GMTV]], Nicole changed the 'be on tv' lyric to 'on GMTV' but during the performance, she sang 'MGTV' in error.
:Yes, this idea is not new. How could it be? Its whole intent is to be a [[WP:POL#Sources of Wikipedia policy|codification of existing consensus]] with regard to list inclusion, as judged by review of AfDs and the current RfC on [[Wikipedia:Notability]]. Aside from that point, however, I'm afraid you are entirely mistaken. This proposal is not aimed primarily at fictional topics, it does not seek to weaken any existing policy, and does not reflect my personal opinion on how things ''should be'', but rather is my reading of how things ''are''. So, Gavin, while you are welcome to point out any disconnects you see between this proposal and the current editorial practice that it attempts to reflect, I would prefer that you refrain from making fallacious insinuations about my intent in writing it. --[[User:erachima|erachima]] <small>[[User talk:erachima|talk]]</small> 20:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:*I am not so sure you can blame me if for arguing against this proposal, on the basis that I am making "fallacious insinuations". There is a disconnect between the consensus view of what lists are, and what you are proposing. In some ways your proposal reflects the current consensus: that lists are appendicies to articles on notable topics. However, the purpose to which you are proposing to use lists is very different from consensus: using them as a dumping ground for non-notable topics, which is a way of circumventing [[WP:N]].<br /> If there was some other inclusion criteria that could be proposed that would prevent [[WP:POV FORK|content forks]], then I might view this as a positive proposal. However, since you are not proposing alternative inclusion criteria to [[WP:N]] for lists, I view this proposal as attempt to obtain special treatment for fictional topics. The inclusion criteria for lists that you are proposing, namely a list must be "Related to a notable topic", is a classic example of a [[truism]]. <br />The problem I have with this proposal is that a topic such as [[List_of_New_Order_Jedi_characters#Tekli|Tekli]] would fail [[WP:N]] if it were to have its own stand alone article, as it is basically a content fork of a more notable topic. Your proposal suggests Tekli should feature in a list of similar topics, but fails to recognise that the [[List of New Order Jedi characters]] is ''still'' a content fork from a more notable subject. I oppose your proposal because there are no limitations on the number of content forks that could be created using the inclusion criteria ''a list must be "Related to a notable topic"''. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 08:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::You are aware that these lists and spinout articles are specifically excluded from being called "content forks", per [[WP:SS]]? --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 12:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::*I see nowhere in [[WP:SS]] that says that at all. To go back to the point of my objection, I don't see that it says anywhere in [[WP:SS]] that content forks are allowed just because they are contained in lists. In fact [[WP:SS]] says that "Editors are cautioned to not immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criterion nor the specific notability criteria for their topic". <br />To go back to my example, you can see how easy it is to create content forks if ignore [[WP:N]]. The article [[The New Jedi Order]] is itself a content fork; it should actually be renamed [[List of New Jedi Order Books]], which is not a notable topic per se, nor are the books themselves notable that are listed in it. This is the critical problem with this proposal; it gives rise to enless content forks.--[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 13:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Quoting verbatim from [[WP:POVFORK]], under the section "Article spinouts": '''Summary style articles, with sub-articles giving greater detail, are not content forking, provided that all the sub-articles, and the summary conform to Neutral Point of View.'''. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 13:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::*That assumes that the subject of the spinout is notable. If the spinout does not meet GNG, then it is likely to be a content fork. Your reading of the guideline is too narrow by assuming that [[WP:POVFORK]] is providing an exemption from [[WP:N]] for spinouts, which it is not. The subject of our discussion is a spinout article that fails [[WP:N]]; it is these type of articles (or lists, agrregates etc.) where the opportunity for content forks is at its greatest. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 15:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::*There is no mention of notability in POVFORK, egro it is a red herring here. Content that is split appropriately per WP:SS is not what POVFORK deals with. Now, WP:SS does ''caution'' against but does not ''restrict'' non-notable spinouts, and thus the goal is to try to make sure that when such spinouts exist, they have consensus, either as the general approach has been approved as a whole, or on an individual basis. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 15:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::*What is clear is that there is no mention of any exemption from the [[Wikipedia:N#General_notability_guideline|General notability guideline]] for spinoffs. Again, you are reading too much into [[WP:POVFORK]], in that you are assuming it sanctions a class of article called spinoffs that can be used as a dumping ground for non-notable articles. Just because the guideline does not mention notability, it is not plausible that this is meant to be interpreted as an exemption from [[WP:N]]. If an article is split, it is split into one or more articles. Spinouts are articles, just like any other. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 01:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


==Music video==
Gavin, no offense intended, but your claim that lists fall under [[WP:POVFORK]] is something that you have completely made up. It has no precedent within existing policy. It has no acceptance as a deletion argument. As such, your argument that lists are content forks cannot be given any weight within this [[WP:GUIDELINE]] proposal, because it is not a significant opinion within the community. If you wish to spread the opinion and possibly get it incorporated into future guideline revisions, I suggest that you write an [[WP:ESSAY]] or push for it directly via the submission of AfDs on that ground. But whatever, I didn't ask you here to explain the policy-generation process. I asked you here because I thought you wanted to help keep trivial lists ''out of'' Wikipedia. If list inclusion is to be done consistently rather than by AfD dice-roll, we need a documented standard of what is accepted.
[[Image:Pussycat dolls WhenIGrowUp.jpg|200px|left|thumb|The Pussycat Dolls sitting in the car in traffic.]]


In an interview, the Pussycat Dolls stated that they would be shooting the [[music video]] for "When I Grow Up" after the [[MTV Movie Awards]]. The video was directed by [[Joseph Kahn]]. The shoot took place on June 3rd and 4th, with exterior shots being filmed on Wilcox Avenue in Hollywood. Behind the scenes clips and an official preview became available on the Internet [[June 11]]. [[Britney Spears]] was set to make a cameo appearance in the video,<ref>[http://www.nme.com/news/britney-spears/37131 Britney Spears makes cameo in Pussycat Dolls video | News | NME.COM<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> but according to [[MTV]], her cameo was axed from the final version of the video.<ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1589190/20080612/spears_britney.jhtml Britney Spears Cameo Axed From Pussycat Dolls Video - News Story | Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV News<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> The music video uses an alternate version of the song which features vocals from all the Dolls and has a dance break in the middle.
You may wish to notice that [[Wikipedia:Notability/RFC:compromise#Proposal_A.4:_Lists_may_be_exempted_from_the_GNG|there is no consensus that notability applies to lists]], which means that the inclusion of lists is now specifically governed by ''nothing whatsoever''. We need a guideline to replace N for lists, and we need it a week ago. This problem is what's prompted me to write this proposal, and I've done my genuine best to do it objectively and keep it apart from my personal opinions. I've even gone as far as doping it what I would normally consider unacceptably towards content removal, with the demand that ''individual entries'' be sourceably significant to the subject. If you do indeed wish to help keep out trivial lists like you claim, then please get down from your anti-fiction podium and help write me a guideline proposal that reflects actual consensus. I personally notified you of this proposal draft because I'd hoped you would be willing to do the same as me, and we'd be able to work together to push a proposal through. It seems I was mistaken, and that you are not willing to put aside your personal campaign. As such, I'll simply have to ignore your [[WP:IDHT|repetition of previously discredited arguments]] and bring it before the community. I am truly sorry. --[[User:erachima|erachima]] <small>[[User talk:erachima|talk]]</small> 08:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:*You are mistaken that I am against fiction, but what I do oppose is the idea that lists can be used as a free for all dumping ground for non-notable topics. It is not just me that has this view; have a look at the essay [[WP:LISTCRUFT]], and you will see that opposition to using lists in this way is well established. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 12:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
The music video premiered in the [[US]] on the new [[MTV]] video show [[FNMTV]], which was hosted by [[Fall Out Boy]] bassist [[Pete Wentz]], on [[Friday]], [[June 13]]. The video premiered in other countries quite a long time after this, such as in the [[UK]] where it premiered on [[Wednesday]], [[July 30]] on [[Channel 4]].
:There is no relevance of the GNG or in fact any N guideline for items in lists, just as for content in articles. The use of combination articles for material which is sub-notable is well recognized--how else are we going to treat such content? The use of the GNG does not then not make sense for the article as such: There is no way to tell if a collection of objects is relevant, because people will not usually write about the collection itself, but the individual objects of it. For example, if we are making a list of camera or telephone models, rather than individual articles on the individual models, it is because there is not enough information to make any particular one of them notable--just a little verifiable information on each, such as one or two minor reviews. Than they have not specifically written about the minor characters as a group does not mean that it they do not make together a valid article. Gavin is right, though, that is is not specifically about fiction. But his criterion means that unless there is enough for a full article we should write nothing. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 01:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:*In answer to [[User:erachima|erachima]], if my viewpoint is discredited, I have yet to evidence to this effect. I think you will find that notability does govern lists, but in a roundabout way. As I have stated before, the best defence against deletion or merger of a list is always the citation of reliable secondary sources which demonstrate that the list is itself notable. The best evidence you can present that a list is not a content fork from another notable subject is again the citation of reliable secondary sources in order to get a third party perspective. In any case, lists that do not cite reliable secondary sources are also likely to fail other Wikipedia policies & guidelines, which is why there is a steady stream of lists without any notability being nominated for AFD, e.g [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Killer7 characters]] is just the latest. Notability can also govern the content of list, e.g. [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Lists of people]], which is one example of a prohibition against using lists as a dumping ground for topics (or lists of topics) without notability.--[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 17:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
In the video the Dolls sit in a car in traffic, where Nicole flashes a ring that says 'famous'. They sing the introduction in the car before jumping out. When the chorus kicks in the girls leave the car and stand on the roofs of the other cars and start dancing a routine. The Dolls then walk down a street with bubbles floating all around them and they stop to sing on a bench. [[James Rhine]] was featured here, standing at a restaurant, shirtless, checking out the girls as they walk by. When the next chorus starts, the Dolls climb [[scaffolding]] and begin to dance. During Scherzinger's solo, she stands in a small area with the Pussycat Dolls logo to the left and a mirror to the right, with lights flashing. The Dolls then dance in the breakdown section with the logo behind them, and the camera zooms out to reveal filming equipment and playback screens.
::* I've presented evidence before (On the RFC page) that it clearly is not the case that any non-notable list of characters is acceptable; there is an unspoken threshold of where a list of characters goes from being deletion territory to being a perfectly acceptable solution. One clear point of disallowance is a list of characters from a single game/movie or other singular work. Killer7 is an example of this. But when we go to series or franchises, there is more allowance for them. Of course if the list can be shown notable (as most of the FF character lists), then there's no issue. We can formulate these criteria to some point for all areas via SNGs. The SNGs can also say when we never create a list either, just as the case with list of people. The problem right now is that the SNGs do not really offer this advice in a consistent manner, but I will say that if you look at the pattern across AFDs, you can see where acceptable and completely rejected lists are drawn, and these can be codified in the SNGs. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] 17:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

::*I have stated before non-notable list won't work; like weapons of mass destruction, no one will admit to creating them. In order to provide clear cut advice on inclusion criteria for lists, it appears to me that [[WP:N]] must be the basis, as it is not possible to distinguish whether or not a list can be classed as listcruft or synthesis without the citation of reliable secondary sources. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 11:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
The music video premiered on UK music channels on [[July 30]] [[2008]], and has reached number one on the UK iTunes Top Music Videos Chart.
==Notability of Lists==

Gavin, if we need to say right out hat it does not apply to lists, that might be the best solution. How can a list as such be notable -- (unless we're talking about the special cases of a list compiled by some group or author that is the subjet of discussion, which does happen, as NY Times list of bestselling books, etc. but is not the sort of thing we are really talking about here). Saying a list must meet WP:N is saying that no combination article is acceptable unless every section of it is N. Is that what you actually mean? It would clarify the discussion. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 23:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
The video won for Best Dancing in a Video and was nominated for Best Video of the Year, Best Choreography in a Video, Best Art Direction in a Video, Best Direction in a Video, and Best Cinematography in a Video at the [[2008 MTV Video Music Awards]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_MTV_Video_Music_Awards#Nominees</ref>
* The article [[New York Times Best Seller list]] appears to demonstrate notablity because it citesr reliable secondary sources, but there exist many best seller lists competing for attention, so when deciding which one is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, reliable secondary sources should be cited. You refer to such a list as being the exception, but why? Whether I choose to create an article about the [[New York Times Best Seller list]] or create a list such as [[New York Times Non-Fiction Bestsellers of 2000]], am I not writing more or less about the same topic? I can see that such a list contains ''information'', but does it contain ''information'' worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia? In the absence of a working alternative, it seems to me that [[WP:N]] is the inclusion criteria that must be applied to all lists. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 11:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::I think you are confused between an article about the NYT bestseller list, and a list of books that are on the list. An article about it as a notable outside list needs sources for the notability of the list in general, and of course they are not hard to find. A list of books that have made the list does not require such sources for the list in general, just an agreement that the list is in some way useful--such as the fact that its a sufficient factor for notability of a book. I agree that in many cases we can do both, but we do not need a references that some particular collection of topics or articles on wikipedia is notable as a set of topics. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 03:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
==Tracklisting==
:::*I think it you who is confused between a "list is in some way useful" and one that is notable. [[New York Times Non-Fiction Bestsellers of 2001]] is just one instance of the [[New York Times Best Seller list]], but that instance does not demonstrate notablity. Other instances of list that do not demonstrate notablity are [[New York Times Non-Fiction Bestsellers begining with A]], [[New York Times Non-Fiction Bestsellers begining with B]], [[New York Times Non-Fiction Bestsellers begining with C]] etc. <br />I don't think you have realised that the only criteria by which we can distinguish which lists should be included in Wikipedia is notability; vague references to "list is in some way useful" is just not helpful; for instance, the list [[New York Times Non-Fiction Bestsellers begining with B]] might be useful to crossword puzzle enthusiasts. Just because a list is useful, does not mean it should be included in Wikipedia (see [[WP:NOT#DIR]] for an explaination). --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 08:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
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*'''US CD Single'''
# "When I Grow Up" (Main) - 4:00
# "When I Grow Up" (Instrumental) - 3:58
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*'''Australian CD Single'''<ref>[http://www.sanity.com.au/product/product.asp?sku=2111787 Sanity.com.au] Australian CD Single</ref>
# "When I Grow Up" (Main) - 4:00
# "When I Grow Up" ([[Dave Audé]] Audacious Radio)
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*'''Promo CD'''
# "When I Grow Up" (Radio edit) - 4:00
# "When I Grow Up" ([[Ralphi Rosario]] radio) - 3:53
# "When I Grow Up" (Ralphi Rosario full vox) - 9:25
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*'''German CD Single'''<ref>[http://www.amazon.de/When-Grow-Up-Pussycat-Dolls/dp/B001DSR8S0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1220967530&sr=8-3]</ref>
# "When I Grow Up" (Main)
# "When I Grow Up" (Dave Audé Club Dub Remix)
# "When I Grow Up" ([[Wideboys]] Club Dub Remix)
# "When I Grow Up" (Video)
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==Awards==
{| class="wikitable"
!align="left"|Year
!align="left"|Ceremony
!align="left"|Award
!align="left"|Result
|-
|align="left"|2008
|align="left"|[[2008 MTV Video Music Awards]]
|align="left"|Best Dancing in a Video
|align="left"|Won
|-
|align="left"|2008
|align="left"|[[2008 MTV Video Music Awards]]
|align="left"|Video of the Year
|align="left"|Nominated
|-
|align="left"|2008
|align="left"|[[2008 MTV Video Music Awards]]
|align="left"|Best Direction in a Video
|align="left"|Nominated
|-
|align="left"|2008
|align="left"|[[2008 MTV Video Music Awards]]
|align="left"|Best Choreography in a Video
|align="left"|Nominated
|-
|align="left"|2008
|align="left"|[[2008 MTV Video Music Awards]]
|align="left"|Best Art Direction in a Video
|align="left"|Nominated
|-
|align="left"|2008
|align="left"|[[2008 MTV Video Music Awards]]
|align="left"|Best Cinematography in a Video
|align="left"|Nominated
|-
|align="left"|2008
|align="left"|[[MTV Europe Music Awards 2008]]
|align="left"|Most Addictive Track
|align="left"|Nominated
|-
|}

==Release history==

{|class="wikitable"
! Region
! Date
! Format
|-
|-
|rowspan="2" | [[United States]]
| [[May 27]] [[2008]]
| [[Digital download]]
|-
| [[July 15]] [[2008]]<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001BJ66RU Amazon.com] USA CD Single. Retrieved on [[July 7]], [[2008]]</ref>
| [[CD single]]
|-
| rowspan="2" | [[Australia]]
| [[June 10]] [[2008]]
| [[Digital download]]
|-
| [[July 12]] [[2008]]<ref>[http://www.heraldsunhit.com.au/product/when_i_grow_up_2214627_211106.html Herald Sun HiT] Retrieved on [[June 20]], [[2008]]</ref>
| [[CD single]]
|-
| [[Brazil]], [[Italy]]
| [[July 9]] [[2008]]
| [[Radio]]
|-
| [[India]]
| [[June 29]] [[2008]]
| [[Radio]]
|-
| [[Germany]]
| [[August 29]] [[2008]]
| [[CD single]]
|-
| [[The Netherlands]]
| [[September 5]] [[2008]]<ref>[http://www.universalmusic.nl/p-detail.php?pid=0602517795709 : Universal Music :<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
| [[CD Single]]
|-
|rowspan="2" | [[United Kingdom]]
| [[September 1]] [[2008]]
| [[Digital download]]
|-
| [[September 8]] [[2008]]
| [[CD single]]
|-
| [[France]]
| [[September 29]] [[2008]]
| [[CD single]]
|-
| [[Japan]]
| [[December 23]] [[2008]]
| [[CD single]]
|}

==Chart performance==
"When I Grow Up" made its debut in the lower regions of the [[Mediabase]] Pop Chart, and has since reached a peak of number fourteen, as of [[July 20]] [[2008]]. After being released to [[iTunes]] on [[May 27]], it reached a peak of number two on the Top 100 songs chart and number two on the Top 100 Pop songs chart in the U.S., as of [[June 17]]. "When I Grow Up" debuted at number seventy-six on the ''[[Billboard]]'' [[Hot 100]], rising to number thirty-one in its second week, and then to number eighteen in its third. On its fourth week, the song reached the top ten at number nine, and became the highest charting single by the Pussycat Dolls since "[[Buttons (song)|Buttons]]" peaked at number three in 2006.

"When I Grow Up" debuted at number-fifteen on the [[Canadian Hot 100]], and after falling down the chart for several weeks, it has so far reached a peak of number three.

"When I Grow Up" has also charted strongly across [[Oceania]]. In [[Australia]], "When I Grow Up" debuted on the Australian [[ARIA Charts|ARIA]] Singles Chart at number forty-five, based on digital downloads, on [[June 15]] [[2008]], and the following week ascended to number twenty-six. "When I Grow Up" was named a bullet performer in its third week, having reached number eight. In the following week, "When I Grow Up" ascended to number three becoming the Dolls' fifth top five hit there. "When I Grow Up" was again named one of the bullet performers for that week. Two weeks later "When I Grow Up" ascended to a new peak at number two, becoming the Dolls' highest charting single there since "[[Buttons (song)|Buttons]]" reached number two for two weeks in [[2006 in music|2006]]. The song has been certified Platinum by [[ARIA Charts|ARIA]] for sales in excess of 70,000.

In New Zealand "When I Grow Up" debuted at number thirty-three on the New Zealand [[RIANZ]] Singles Chart and in its fourth reached a peak of number five, becoming the group's biggest hit since "[[Buttons]]" which topped the chart in 2006. The song was certified Gold after thirteen weeks with sales of 7,500+.

It`s also a success in Europe.It debuted at number one-hundred and eighty-seven and climbed to number five in several weeks.On Billboard European Hot 100 it climbed to number three.

In the UK, as of [[August 20]] [[2008]], "When I Grow Up" has reached Radio 1's A list. It entered at number one on the UK [[iTunes]] chart, after only 2 days in the Music Store, knocking off [[Katy Perry]]'s "[[I Kissed A Girl]]". "When I Grow Up" entered the [[UK Singles Chart]] at number three, on download sales alone. It fell one place to number four the week after but rose to number three again on 21st September.

== Charts ==
{|class="wikitable sortable"
!align="center" width="240"|Chart (2008)
!align="center"|Peak<br>position
|-
|Australian [[ARIA Charts|ARIA]] Singles Chart<ref>[http://www.australian-charts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Pussycat+Dolls&titel=When+I+Grow+Up&cat=s australian-charts.com - The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
|align="center"|2
|-
|[[Austrian Singles Chart]]<ref>[http://austriancharts.at/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Pussycat+Dolls&titel=When+I+Grow+Up&cat=s The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up - austriancharts.at<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
|align="center"|7
|-
|Belgium Singles Chart<ref>[http://www.ultratop.be/nl/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Pussycat+Dolls&titel=When+I+Grow+Up&cat=s]</ref>
|align="center"|3
|-
|[[Canadian Hot 100]] <ref>[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=793&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Canadian+Hot+100&ci=3099613&cdi=9911071&cid=09%2F20%2F2008]</ref>
|align="center"|3
|-
|Denmark Singles Chart<ref>http://acharts.us/song/36020</ref>
|align="center"|6
|-
|Dutch Singles Chart<ref>[http://www.dutchcharts.nl/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Pussycat+Dolls&titel=When+I+Grow+Up&cat=s]</ref>
|align="center"|21
|-
|European Singles Chart
|align="center"|3
|-
|Finland Singles Chart<ref>[http://acharts.us/song/36020]</ref>
|align="center"|9
|-
|French SNEP Singles Chart<ref>[http://www.musiqueinfo.com/contenus_fichiers/singles.pdf Musiqueinfo.com]</ref>
|align="center"|2
|-
|German Singles Chart<ref>[http://acharts.us/song/36020]</ref>
|align="center"|7
|-
|Global Dance Tracks<ref>[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=417&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Global+Dance+Tracks&ci=3099623&cdi=9911565&cid=09%2F20%2F2008]</ref>
|align="center"|6
|-
|Irish Singles Chart<ref>[http://acharts.us/song/36020]</ref>
|align="center"|2
|-
|[[Japan Hot 100]]
|align="center"|66
|-
|Mexico Top 100<ref>http://www.americatop100.com/mexico/index.htm</ref>
|align="center"|59
|-
|New Zealand [[RIANZ]] Singles Chart<ref>[http://charts.org.nz/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Pussycat+Dolls&titel=When+I+Grow+Up&cat=s charts.org.nz - The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
|align="center"|5
|-
|Norway Singles Chart<ref>[http://acharts.us/song/36020]</ref>
|align="center"|13
|-
|Polish National Top 50<ref>[http://euro200.net/Polish%20Hitfiles.htm Polish National Top 50 Archives]</ref>
|align="center"|40
|-
|Portugal Singles Chart<ref>[http://acharts.us/song/36020]</ref>
|align="center"|36
|-
|Spanish Los 40 Principales<ref>[http://los40.com]</ref>
|align="center"|25
|-
|Sweden Singles Chart<ref>[http://acharts.us/song/36020]</ref>
|align="center"|18
|-
|Swiss Singles Chart<ref>[http://acharts.us/song/36020]</ref>
|align="center"|10
|-
|align="left"|Turkey Top 20 Chart<ref>[http://www.billboard.com.tr/pages/Turkiye_top20.aspx Turkey Top 20 Chart] Retrieved [[September 2]] [[2008]] </ref>
|align="center"|2
|-
|[[UK Singles Chart]] <ref>[http://acharts.us/song/36020]</ref>
|align="center"|3
|-
|U.S. ''Billboard'' [[Hot 100]]<ref>[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100 Billboard Hot 100 Music Charts -Most Trusted Music Charts in the Industry<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
|align="center"|9
|-
|U.S. ''Billboard'' [[Pop 100]]<ref>[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=Pop+100&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Singles Billboard- Updated Album Charts from the most Trusted Music Magazine<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
|align="center"|5
|-
|U.S. ''Billboard'' [[Hot Dance Club Play]]<ref>[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=359&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Hot+Dance+Club+Play&ci=3098516&cdi=9863753&cid=08%2F16%2F2008]</ref>
|align="center"|1
|-
|}

{{start box}}
{{succession box
| before = "[[Fall (song)|Fall]]" by [[Kimberley Locke]]
| title = ''[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]'' [[Number-one dance hits of 2008 (USA)|Hot Dance Club Play number-one single]]
| years = [[August 2]], [[2008]] - [[August 9]], [[2008]]
| after = "[[Give It 2 Me]]" by [[Madonna (entertainer)|Madonna]]
}}
{{end box}}

==References==
{{reflist|2}}
http://music.yahoo.com/ar-4623677-bio--The-Pussycat-Dolls
[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?JSESSIONID=z1qLLFkWkp9yc1K1nSfm9X2VKkpp86xDZ7JDKXpDwW49D04DglRV!-1264150423&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Singles billboard]

==External links==
*{{Youtube|3gvcpb4_7ZQ|Official "When I Grow Up" music video}}
*{{Youtube|gpJc4kssX3w|"When I Grow Up" piano cover}}

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"When I Grow Up"
Song

"When I Grow Up" is a dance-pop song written by American songwriters Rodney Jerkins, Theron Thomas and Timothy Thomas, and produced by Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins for the Pussycat Dolls' sophomore studio album Doll Domination. Released as the album's lead single on May 27 2008, the song has peaked at number nine on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, giving the group their fourth top ten single on the chart. The music video won the award for "Best Dancing in a Video" at the 2008 MTV Video Music Awards, and was nominated for an additional five awards, including "Video of the Year".

Background and production

"When I Grow Up" samples the main riff from The Yardbirds song "He's Always There" off their 1966 studio album Roger the Engineer, and as a result, British songwriters Jim McCarty and Paul Samwell-Smith have received writing credits for the song. The song was digitally released on May 27 on Amazon,[2] and iTunes. The Pussycat Dolls debuted the song on the Jimmy Kimmel Live on May 20,[3] and have also performed it at the 2008 MTV Movie Awards on June 1, on the American dance show So You Think You Can Dance on June 12 2008,The MTV Asia Awards on August 2 2008, The Today Show on August 28 2008, at Fashion Rocks 5 on September 5th 2008 , on the German game-show Schlag den Raab on September 13th 2008,in the UK For One Night Only on September 14th 2008 , GMTV on September 16 2008, at the Vodafone Live Music Awards on September 18th 2008, on The Ellen DeGeneres Show on September 23rd 2008 , and on "Wal-Mart Soundcheck" at the Wal-Mart website.

The song is the first single since the 2008 departure of Carmit Bachar, who had served the longest time with the Dolls since their inception as a burlesque dance crew in 1995. The song is notable for being their first single to feature a more dance-pop and synthpop sounds as opposed to their earlier singles with greater rhythmic and urban influences. As with previous singles, Scherzinger sings the lead as well as backing vocals, also contributing additional background vocals by Thornton. However for the video and radio edit, the other dolls re-recorded backing vocals.

On June 14, a remix was made and released to the U.S. Mainstream for radio airplay. "When I Grow Up (I Wanna Be)" was released the day after the original "When I Grow Up" song made its video premiere on June 13 on FNMTV. The song was said to be released on September 2.[4]

On July 24, a remix of the song leaked onto the internet. It is the official remix featuring Fatman Scoop, Diddy, Lil Wayne and Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins. The song starts off sampling Michael Jacksons song "Thriller". On the same day another remix leaked, it features Eve.

Lyrical Content

Many critics were initially confused by the chorus line "I wanna have groupies" - mistaking this for "I wanna have boobies"[5].[6] BBC Radio 1 set up a phone-in to ask viewers to identify what word they thought was being sung, after the particular line of the song had been played to them.[citation needed] Comedian Ellen DeGeneres also pointed this out when they performed the song on her talk show on September 23, 2008.

On September 16th 2008, while singing on popular British breakfast show GMTV, Nicole changed the 'be on tv' lyric to 'on GMTV' but during the performance, she sang 'MGTV' in error.

Music video

File:Pussycat dolls WhenIGrowUp.jpg
The Pussycat Dolls sitting in the car in traffic.

In an interview, the Pussycat Dolls stated that they would be shooting the music video for "When I Grow Up" after the MTV Movie Awards. The video was directed by Joseph Kahn. The shoot took place on June 3rd and 4th, with exterior shots being filmed on Wilcox Avenue in Hollywood. Behind the scenes clips and an official preview became available on the Internet June 11. Britney Spears was set to make a cameo appearance in the video,[7] but according to MTV, her cameo was axed from the final version of the video.[8] The music video uses an alternate version of the song which features vocals from all the Dolls and has a dance break in the middle.

The music video premiered in the US on the new MTV video show FNMTV, which was hosted by Fall Out Boy bassist Pete Wentz, on Friday, June 13. The video premiered in other countries quite a long time after this, such as in the UK where it premiered on Wednesday, July 30 on Channel 4.

In the video the Dolls sit in a car in traffic, where Nicole flashes a ring that says 'famous'. They sing the introduction in the car before jumping out. When the chorus kicks in the girls leave the car and stand on the roofs of the other cars and start dancing a routine. The Dolls then walk down a street with bubbles floating all around them and they stop to sing on a bench. James Rhine was featured here, standing at a restaurant, shirtless, checking out the girls as they walk by. When the next chorus starts, the Dolls climb scaffolding and begin to dance. During Scherzinger's solo, she stands in a small area with the Pussycat Dolls logo to the left and a mirror to the right, with lights flashing. The Dolls then dance in the breakdown section with the logo behind them, and the camera zooms out to reveal filming equipment and playback screens.

The music video premiered on UK music channels on July 30 2008, and has reached number one on the UK iTunes Top Music Videos Chart.

The video won for Best Dancing in a Video and was nominated for Best Video of the Year, Best Choreography in a Video, Best Art Direction in a Video, Best Direction in a Video, and Best Cinematography in a Video at the 2008 MTV Video Music Awards.[9]

Tracklisting

Awards

Year Ceremony Award Result
2008 2008 MTV Video Music Awards Best Dancing in a Video Won
2008 2008 MTV Video Music Awards Video of the Year Nominated
2008 2008 MTV Video Music Awards Best Direction in a Video Nominated
2008 2008 MTV Video Music Awards Best Choreography in a Video Nominated
2008 2008 MTV Video Music Awards Best Art Direction in a Video Nominated
2008 2008 MTV Video Music Awards Best Cinematography in a Video Nominated
2008 MTV Europe Music Awards 2008 Most Addictive Track Nominated

Release history

Region Date Format
United States May 27 2008 Digital download
July 15 2008[12] CD single
Australia June 10 2008 Digital download
July 12 2008[13] CD single
Brazil, Italy July 9 2008 Radio
India June 29 2008 Radio
Germany August 29 2008 CD single
The Netherlands September 5 2008[14] CD Single
United Kingdom September 1 2008 Digital download
September 8 2008 CD single
France September 29 2008 CD single
Japan December 23 2008 CD single

Chart performance

"When I Grow Up" made its debut in the lower regions of the Mediabase Pop Chart, and has since reached a peak of number fourteen, as of July 20 2008. After being released to iTunes on May 27, it reached a peak of number two on the Top 100 songs chart and number two on the Top 100 Pop songs chart in the U.S., as of June 17. "When I Grow Up" debuted at number seventy-six on the Billboard Hot 100, rising to number thirty-one in its second week, and then to number eighteen in its third. On its fourth week, the song reached the top ten at number nine, and became the highest charting single by the Pussycat Dolls since "Buttons" peaked at number three in 2006.

"When I Grow Up" debuted at number-fifteen on the Canadian Hot 100, and after falling down the chart for several weeks, it has so far reached a peak of number three.

"When I Grow Up" has also charted strongly across Oceania. In Australia, "When I Grow Up" debuted on the Australian ARIA Singles Chart at number forty-five, based on digital downloads, on June 15 2008, and the following week ascended to number twenty-six. "When I Grow Up" was named a bullet performer in its third week, having reached number eight. In the following week, "When I Grow Up" ascended to number three becoming the Dolls' fifth top five hit there. "When I Grow Up" was again named one of the bullet performers for that week. Two weeks later "When I Grow Up" ascended to a new peak at number two, becoming the Dolls' highest charting single there since "Buttons" reached number two for two weeks in 2006. The song has been certified Platinum by ARIA for sales in excess of 70,000.

In New Zealand "When I Grow Up" debuted at number thirty-three on the New Zealand RIANZ Singles Chart and in its fourth reached a peak of number five, becoming the group's biggest hit since "Buttons" which topped the chart in 2006. The song was certified Gold after thirteen weeks with sales of 7,500+.

It`s also a success in Europe.It debuted at number one-hundred and eighty-seven and climbed to number five in several weeks.On Billboard European Hot 100 it climbed to number three.

In the UK, as of August 20 2008, "When I Grow Up" has reached Radio 1's A list. It entered at number one on the UK iTunes chart, after only 2 days in the Music Store, knocking off Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl". "When I Grow Up" entered the UK Singles Chart at number three, on download sales alone. It fell one place to number four the week after but rose to number three again on 21st September.

Charts

Chart (2008) Peak
position
Australian ARIA Singles Chart[15] 2
Austrian Singles Chart[16] 7
Belgium Singles Chart[17] 3
Canadian Hot 100 [18] 3
Denmark Singles Chart[19] 6
Dutch Singles Chart[20] 21
European Singles Chart 3
Finland Singles Chart[21] 9
French SNEP Singles Chart[22] 2
German Singles Chart[23] 7
Global Dance Tracks[24] 6
Irish Singles Chart[25] 2
Japan Hot 100 66
Mexico Top 100[26] 59
New Zealand RIANZ Singles Chart[27] 5
Norway Singles Chart[28] 13
Polish National Top 50[29] 40
Portugal Singles Chart[30] 36
Spanish Los 40 Principales[31] 25
Sweden Singles Chart[32] 18
Swiss Singles Chart[33] 10
Turkey Top 20 Chart[34] 2
UK Singles Chart [35] 3
U.S. Billboard Hot 100[36] 9
U.S. Billboard Pop 100[37] 5
U.S. Billboard Hot Dance Club Play[38] 1
Preceded by Billboard Hot Dance Club Play number-one single
August 2, 2008 - August 9, 2008 		Succeeded by

References

  1. ^ Running time
  2. ^ Amazon.com: When I Grow Up: MP3 Downloads: The Pussycat Dolls
  3. ^ "When I Grow Up" Live at jimmy kimmel
  4. ^ [1]
  5. ^ http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/cd_reviews/article4775168.ece
  6. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/chartblog/2008/09/
  7. ^ Britney Spears makes cameo in Pussycat Dolls video | News | NME.COM
  8. ^ Britney Spears Cameo Axed From Pussycat Dolls Video - News Story | Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV News
  9. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_MTV_Video_Music_Awards#Nominees
  10. ^ Sanity.com.au Australian CD Single
  11. ^ [2]
  12. ^ Amazon.com USA CD Single. Retrieved on July 7, 2008
  13. ^ Herald Sun HiT Retrieved on June 20, 2008
  14. ^ : Universal Music :
  15. ^ australian-charts.com - The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up
  16. ^ The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up - austriancharts.at
  17. ^ [3]
  18. ^ [4]
  19. ^ http://acharts.us/song/36020
  20. ^ [5]
  21. ^ [6]
  22. ^ Musiqueinfo.com
  23. ^ [7]
  24. ^ [8]
  25. ^ [9]
  26. ^ http://www.americatop100.com/mexico/index.htm
  27. ^ charts.org.nz - The Pussycat Dolls - When I Grow Up
  28. ^ [10]
  29. ^ Polish National Top 50 Archives
  30. ^ [11]
  31. ^ [12]
  32. ^ [13]
  33. ^ [14]
  34. ^ Turkey Top 20 Chart Retrieved September 2 2008
  35. ^ [15]
  36. ^ Billboard Hot 100 Music Charts -Most Trusted Music Charts in the Industry
  37. ^ Billboard- Updated Album Charts from the most Trusted Music Magazine
  38. ^ [16]

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