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The '''[[2008 Major League Baseball season|2008]] [[American League Championship Series]]''' ('''ALCS'''), the second round of the 2008 [[American League]] playoffs is a [[Playoff format#Best-of-seven playoff|best-of-seven]] series.


Game 1 took place on Friday, [[October 10]], [[2008]]. The series is being telecast on [[Major League Baseball on TBS|TBS]]. If Game 7 is played, it will be played on Sunday, [[October 19]].<ref name=TentSch>{{cite web |url= http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps.jsp|title= Tentative 2008 MLB Postseason Schedule|accessdate=2008-09-16 |work= World Series|publisher= MLB.com}}</ref>
== Book cover image ==


The series will feature the winners of the two [[2008 American League Division Series|American League Division Series]]: the [[Boston Red Sox]] against the [[Tampa Bay Rays]]. Tampa Bay will have home field advantage, since by rule a wild card qualifier cannot have home field advantage in an LDS or LCS.
I don't think we can use the ''Audacity of Hope'' book cover that was just added. It obviously has a copyright, and I'm not sure we can justify fair-use here, in which case we would have to remove it. I'm not at all an expert on these matters though so maybe someone else can weigh in on this issue. We do obviously want more images, but for this article those are going to be hard to come by.--[[User:Bigtimepeace|Bigtimepeace]] <small>| [[User_talk:Bigtimepeace|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bigtimepeace|contribs]]</small> 05:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


This is the Rays' first appearance in the ALCS while the Red Sox are making their fourth appearance in the last six seasons and ninth overall.
:Yeah, I don't think that that use quite passes the fairly high bar established for fair use of images [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Images|here]]. I wonder whether we could make an "iconic status or historical importance" claim for [http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/03/06/us/06obama_CA0ready.html this image]? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 06:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


==Summary==
[[Image:Barack Obama in New Hampshire.jpg|thumb|200px]]
===Tampa Bay Rays vs. Boston Red Sox===
::It might be a bit of a stretch, but if we added something (cited, of course) about Obama's appeal to white voters and how the Jeremiah Wright controversy threatened to undermine it, maybe we could use this photo? We'd have to be very careful to avoid OR, of course. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 06:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
''Series is tied, 1-1''
:::At least there are no copyright issues, but as you say it is a bit of a stretch to bring in a photo like this (though I am open to creative, non-OR solutions). This article is already well above average in terms of the text/citations, but I think we will have some serious difficulty with images for the foreseeable future.--[[User:Bigtimepeace|Bigtimepeace]] <small>| [[User_talk:Bigtimepeace|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bigtimepeace|contribs]]</small> 10:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
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==Game summaries==
::::It's funny, I would have thought these campaigns would be aggressively trying to improve their Wikipedia related content by submitting photos, etc. Apparently their web operations haven't officially reached us yet. [[User:Joshdboz|Joshdboz]] ([[User talk:Joshdboz|talk]]) 16:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
===Game 1===
:::::It might ultimately be worthwhile to contact the campaign and see if they can provide some images. I assume that would be kosher as far as Wikirules go.--[[User:Bigtimepeace|Bigtimepeace]] <small>| [[User_talk:Bigtimepeace|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bigtimepeace|contribs]]</small> 22:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Friday, [[October 10]], [[2008]] at [[Tropicana Field]] in [[St. Petersburg, Florida]]
::::::Absolutely. There are some [[Wikipedia:Example requests for permission|example letters]] which people have used in the past to get freely licensed images. Note that we can't just ask for an image "for use on Wikipedia", though — we have to ask for an image to be released under a free license such as the GFDL or one of the acceptable Creative Commons licenses. See [[Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission]] for details.
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::::::I'd expect that the Obama campaign would be open to releasing some images under a free license; they're pretty web-savvy. If you want to take the lead on this, it looks like [http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/mediacontact this] is the contact page you want. Good luck!—[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 06:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
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Starter Daisuke Matsuzaka was nearly unhittable in game one of the 2008 ALCS. He held the Rays hitless until [[Carl Crawford]] singled in the seventh inning. All in all, he ended up allowing a total of four hits total, while walking five in the game. Jonathan Papelbon pitched the ninth for his fourth career ALCS save.
==Merge proposal==
I have proposed a merger, not exactly a direct 2-for-1 in this case. More, a merging out of this new page into the existing pages, including this page, and the Obama campaign page, and the Wright bio page. comments please follow the link. This was on the main "a perfect union" page but I moved it because some people were quite pissed about it. [[Special:Contributions/72.0.180.2|72.0.180.2]] ([[User talk:72.0.180.2|talk]]) 06:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


===Game 2===
[[Talk:Jeremiah Wright sermon controversy#Merge with A More Perfect Union.3F|The discussion of this proposed merge]], which took place on the talk page for [[Jeremiah Wright sermon controversy]], has wrapped up with a consensus of '''no move'''. I have removed the merger template from this page. [[User:Hilosoph|<span style="color:#008000;">'''Hilosoph'''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Hilosoph|<span style="color:#1560BD;">''Talk''</span>]]) 20:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Saturday, [[October 11]], [[2008]] at [[Tropicana Field]] in [[St. Petersburg, Florida]]
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The Rays won a hard-hitting, marathon game that lasted 5:27<ref>{{cite web|url=http://mlb.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20081011&content_id=3611898&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home|title=SGame Wrapup|accessdate=2008-10-13|date=2008-10-12|publisher=MLB.com}}</ref>, on the strength of a [[B. J. Upton]] [[sacrifice fly]] in the eleventh inning. Seven total home runs were hit in the game, which broke the [[American League Championship Series|ALCS]] record and tied the all-time [[League Championship Series|LCS]] record<ref>{{cite web|url=http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081011&content_id=3612440&vkey=news_tb&fext=.jsp&c_id=tb|title=Sox, Rays tie mark with seven homers|accessdate=2008-10-13|date=2008-10-12|publisher=MLB.com}}</ref>. Starters [[Scott Kazmir]] and [[Josh Beckett]] were both ineffective, giving up six of the seven total home runs in the game. Dustin Pedroia broke out of his post-season slump with a pair of solo shots off Kazmir. Despite the many home runs, it was a sac fly off [[Mike Timlin]] by Upton and a hard run from 3rd base by [[Fernando Perez (baseball)|Fernando Perez]] that won the game in the eleventh. The Rays' 2007 #1 [[2007 Major League Baseball Draft|draft pick]], [[David Price (baseball)|David Price]], was credited with the win.
== Wikisource Link ==


===Game 3, October 13; 4:37 P.M. (Eastern)===
Jossi has just moved the link to Wikisource to the bottom of the page per the Manual of Style. Of course this should normally be followed, but considering this article is entirely dedicated to the wikisource document and we don't have a picture at this point, I think leaving it at the top is actually the most useful and sensible thing to do. [[User:Joshdboz|Joshdboz]] ([[User talk:Joshdboz|talk]]) 21:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Fenway Park]] in [[Boston, Massachusetts]]
:I understand the point you are making, but the current position is entirely consistent with similar examples. ([[A Time for Choosing|example]]) -- [[User:Scjessey|Scjessey]] ([[User talk:Scjessey|talk]]) 21:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
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::Absolutely true, though that article is short enough that one can get to the find the full text rather quickly. It's just a suggestion to help the user, who likely came to this article to find the speech itself. [[User:Joshdboz|Joshdboz]] ([[User talk:Joshdboz|talk]]) 21:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
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:::Boy, there's another speech (Reagan's that is) which deserves a much fuller treatment. But as to the matter at hand I tend to agree with Joshdboz and think we could apply the spirit of [[WP:IAR|ignore all rules]] if others feel the same way. If we had images for the top of the article I don't think we should go against the MOS, but right now we don't. [[Gettysburg Address]] is another example of a speech article that follows the MOS standard, but it has multiple images. Not a huge deal either way, though it would be nice to figure out a way to keep some non-texty stuff toward the top of the page.--[[User:Bigtimepeace|Bigtimepeace]] <small>| [[User_talk:Bigtimepeace|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bigtimepeace|contribs]]</small> 22:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
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===Game 4, October 14; 8:07 P.M. (Eastern)===
[[Fenway Park]] in [[Boston, Massachusetts]]
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===Game 5, October 16; 8:07 P.M. (Eastern)===
[[Fenway Park]] in [[Boston, Massachusetts]]
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===Game 6, October 18 (if necessary); 4:37 P.M. (Eastern)===
== Reappearance of talk about this speech in "cling" kerfuffle ==
[[Tropicana Field]] in [[St. Petersburg, Florida]]
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===Game 7, October 19 (if necessary); 8:07 P.M. (Eastern)===
[[Tropicana Field]] in [[St. Petersburg, Florida]]
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==References==
Just a headsup--I don't have time for more now. Discussion of the section of AMPU that talks about the resistance of white folks to affirmate action and welfare has surfaced in the current media stormlet about Obama dissing rural American's understanding of their own problems. The links in Kaus' blog at <s>Salon</s>''Slate'' should point you in the right direction. The favored word is "condescension". This article badly needs some allowance for commentary on the actual content of the speech, section by section, and this is one place to start. [[User:Andyvphil|Andyvphil]] ([[User talk:Andyvphil|talk]]) 23:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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:I assume you meant Slate rather than Salon and are referring specifically to [http://www.slate.com/id/2188487/#foursins this], or is it something else? Kaus does discuss the speech a bit, but I don't see any further discussion in the links at that article. His discussion of the speech is actually far from the main point of his blog post (which is related generally to Obama's "bitter" comment). I could imagine using something from Kaus's post as part of the reaction section, but you seem to be interested in a whole new section here and I don't think that blog post is worthy of that. We already have a lot of commentary on the speech, including some on specific aspects of it, but not much of that commentary has analyzed the speech "section by section" per say. When you get a chance maybe you can be more specific about what you have in mind and provide links to sources.--[[User:Bigtimepeace|Bigtimepeace]] <small>| [[User_talk:Bigtimepeace|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bigtimepeace|contribs]]</small> 02:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::No time now either, but I remember pointing to an article with a section-by-section analysis before. It stepped through each section to show which interest group was being addressed.. Whether on not the RS tend to do it, I think this article needs to do it, if you are going to pretend to take the text seriously. And the "cling to guns and religion" stumble has brought my attention to commentary that agrees with my impression that the credit he was being given for acknowledging white resentment was more than offset by his condescending dismissal of the idea that that whites had correctly identified anything they ought to be resentful about. E.g., Kaus links to his own "we're about to nominate a Democrat who doesn't acknowledge the lesson of the 1990s--that voters are worried about issues like welfare because they are worried about welfare, not because 'welfare' is a surrogate for 'lack of national health insurance.'", dated 3/24 (pre-"cling").[http://www.slate.com/id/2186845/#cheapdateabby]. This was my reaction from day one, but I didn't see it in this article. Which I couldn't complain about if it was just me. But it seems it's not just me. So I'm looking for it in MSM, and then I'll be looking to put it in. Heads-up, as I said. [[User:Andyvphil|Andyvphil]] ([[User talk:Andyvphil|talk]]) 16:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


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== I renamed article ==
{{ALCS}}
{{Tampa Bay Rays}}
{{Boston Red Sox}}
{{Major League Baseball on TBS}}


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This had to be renamed because there are books - [http://www.amazon.com/More-Perfect-Union-Jesse-Jackson/dp/B000J3EGQM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208971765&sr=8-7 including one by Jesse Jackson] - and films entitled "A More Perfect Union". [[User:Ewenss|Ewenss]] ([[User talk:Ewenss|talk]]) 17:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:2008 Major League Baseball season|American League Championship Series]]
:I don't support this move, and I think it was a rather bad idea to move an article without any prior discussion. We don't have an article on the Jesse Jackson book, but if we did it would be easy to call it "A More Perfect Union (book)." Per a quick glance on IMDB, neither of the films you mention seem at all notable so I don't think we'll ever have articles about them. Thus I see no reason to put the parenthetical (speech) at the end of this title. Even if we did have articles about those other "Perfect unions", it's still fine to have one article that does not use a parenthetical label at the end. For example there are a lot of [[Michael Jackson (disambiguation)|Michael Jacksons on Wikipedia]], but we have the article [[Michael Jackson]] rather than "Michael Jackson (singer)." I strongly feel this should be moved back to the original title, though it would have to be done by an admin since the original article is now a redirect. There was no consensus for (indeed no discussion about) this move so if a couple of people feel it should be moved back I think we should just do it.--[[User:Bigtimepeace|Bigtimepeace]] <small>| [[User_talk:Bigtimepeace|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bigtimepeace|contribs]]</small> 17:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:American League Championship Series]]
:A really bad move. Moves should only be made without discussion if they won't be controversial. It's hard to imagine how you thought this wouldn't be a big deal. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font></b>]]''' 18:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Tampa Bay Rays]]
:Guess we didn't need an admin. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font></b>]]''' 19:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Boston Red Sox]]
::Right, that was dumb of me to think that we did since anyone can move a page over redirect (it's only when a page has a history beyond being a redirect that an admin is needed). Anyhow obviously I support the move back to the original title. If Ewenss or others are still interested in moving this it should obviously be discussed first.--[[User:Bigtimepeace|Bigtimepeace]] <small>| [[User_talk:Bigtimepeace|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bigtimepeace|contribs]]</small> 19:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Few of the well-known speeches ([[List of speeches|list]]) add things like "(speech)" to the title. A comparable example would be Dr. King's ''[[I Have a Dream]]'' speech. The existing title is just fine. -- [[User:Scjessey|Scjessey]] ([[User talk:Scjessey|talk]]) 19:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::[[Wikipedia:Disambiguation]] indicates that a disambiguating suffix should be added only when there is another article which might share the article name, and not even then if one of the usages is the [[WP:PRIMARYUSAGE|primary topic]] under that title. If someone creates an article on the Jackson book (note that it's by Jesse Jackson, Jr., not his father) or the films, we can discuss whether this page needs to be moved to a disambiguating title, but until then it should remain at [[A More Perfect Union]]. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 19:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Agree with keeping name. This is clearly the most notable thing with this title (and only Wikipedia article), so if someone was ever to write an article on the Jackson book or various other things that share this title, they would take the title as Bigtimepeace and Josiah Rowe described above. Or of course, if historians end up referring to this speech differently, it can always be adjusted. [[User:Joshdboz|Joshdboz]] ([[User talk:Joshdboz|talk]]) 19:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


[[fr:Série de championnat de la Ligue américaine de baseball 2008]]
== Subsequent reappraisal? ==

I was going to add a mention of [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050102900.html this column] by [[Charles Krauthammer]], as an example of conservative commentators calling for reappraisal of the speech in light of Obama's more recent rejection of Wright. But the "News media and pundits" section is under the heading "Initial response", and this isn't initial. Should we change the "initial response" header, or start a new section on later responses? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <small>([[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Josiah Rowe|contribs]])</small> 07:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:A good question. When I titled that section "Initial response" I was thinking more in terms of having a section (at some point down the road) where the speech would be evaluated from a more historical perspective&mdash;i.e. still a "response" but not one in the immediate weeks after the speech. Thinking about it now though I think it probably makes the most sense to simply re-title that section to "response" and use it to encompass any reactions to it including the latest one from Krauthammer. We can tweak the section titles as we go along but I think taking out the "initial" is the best route for now (I doubt anyone else will much care since I'm the one who titled it that way). The Krauthammer quote would thus fit well in the "News media and pundits" section. In adding that, which you should definitely do, you might also reference this [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/20/AR2008032003017.html earlier column] by Krauthammer soon after the speech (which I've been meaning to add in but just haven't). His more recent column seems basically like an extension of points he made in that earlier piece, so it's probably best to cite and quote from both of them.--[[User:Bigtimepeace|Bigtimepeace]] <small>| [[User_talk:Bigtimepeace|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bigtimepeace|contribs]]</small> 05:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 19:18, 13 October 2008

2008 American League Championship Series
2008 World Series logo
Dates October 10 – 19*
Television network United States TBS
TV Announcers Chip Caray, Buck Martinez, Ron Darling
Radio network ESPN Radio
Radio Announcers Jon Miller, Joe Morgan

The 2008 American League Championship Series (ALCS), the second round of the 2008 American League playoffs is a best-of-seven series.

Game 1 took place on Friday, October 10, 2008. The series is being telecast on TBS. If Game 7 is played, it will be played on Sunday, October 19.[1]

The series will feature the winners of the two American League Division Series: the Boston Red Sox against the Tampa Bay Rays. Tampa Bay will have home field advantage, since by rule a wild card qualifier cannot have home field advantage in an LDS or LCS.

This is the Rays' first appearance in the ALCS while the Red Sox are making their fourth appearance in the last six seasons and ninth overall.

Summary

Tampa Bay Rays vs. Boston Red Sox

Series is tied, 1-1

Game Score Date Location Attendance
1 Boston Red Sox - 2, Tampa Bay Rays - 0 October 10 Tropicana Field 35,001[2]
2 Boston Red Sox - 8, Tampa Bay Rays - 9 (11 innings) October 11 Tropicana Field 34,904[3]
3 Tampa Bay Rays at Boston Red Sox October 13 Fenway Park
4 Tampa Bay Rays at Boston Red Sox October 14 Fenway Park
5 Tampa Bay Rays at Boston Red Sox October 16 Fenway Park
6* Boston Red Sox at Tampa Bay Rays October 18 Tropicana Field
7* Boston Red Sox at Tampa Bay Rays October 19 Tropicana Field

* - if necessary

Game summaries

Game 1

Friday, October 10, 2008 at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Florida

Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Boston 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 2 7 0
Tampa Bay 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
WP: Daisuke Matsuzaka (1-0)   LP: James Shields (0-1)   Sv: Jonathan Papelbon (1)

Starter Daisuke Matsuzaka was nearly unhittable in game one of the 2008 ALCS. He held the Rays hitless until Carl Crawford singled in the seventh inning. All in all, he ended up allowing a total of four hits total, while walking five in the game. Jonathan Papelbon pitched the ninth for his fourth career ALCS save.

Game 2

Saturday, October 11, 2008 at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Florida

Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 R H E
Boston 2 0 1 0 3 1 0 1 0 0 0 8 12 0
Tampa Bay 2 0 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 9 12 0
WP: David Price (1-0)   LP: Mike Timlin (0-1)
Home runs:
BOS: Dustin Pedroia 2 (2), Kevin Youkilis (1), Jason Bay (1)
TB: Evan Longoria (1), B. J. Upton (1), Cliff Floyd (1)

The Rays won a hard-hitting, marathon game that lasted 5:27[4], on the strength of a B. J. Upton sacrifice fly in the eleventh inning. Seven total home runs were hit in the game, which broke the ALCS record and tied the all-time LCS record[5]. Starters Scott Kazmir and Josh Beckett were both ineffective, giving up six of the seven total home runs in the game. Dustin Pedroia broke out of his post-season slump with a pair of solo shots off Kazmir. Despite the many home runs, it was a sac fly off Mike Timlin by Upton and a hard run from 3rd base by Fernando Perez that won the game in the eleventh. The Rays' 2007 #1 draft pick, David Price, was credited with the win.

Game 3, October 13; 4:37 P.M. (Eastern)

Fenway Park in Boston, Massachusetts

Team R H E
Tampa Bay - - -
Boston - - -
Starting pitchers:
TB: Matt Garza (RHP, 0-0)
BOS: Jon Lester (LHP, 0-0)

Game 4, October 14; 8:07 P.M. (Eastern)

Fenway Park in Boston, Massachusetts

Team R H E
Tampa Bay - - -
Boston - - -
Starting pitchers:
TB: Andy Sonnanstine (RHP, 0-0)
BOS: Tim Wakefield (RHP, 0-0)

Game 5, October 16; 8:07 P.M. (Eastern)

Fenway Park in Boston, Massachusetts

Team R H E
Tampa Bay - - -
Boston - - -
Starting pitchers:
TB: TBD
BOS: TBD

Game 6, October 18 (if necessary); 4:37 P.M. (Eastern)

Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Florida

Team R H E
Boston - - -
Tampa Bay - - -

Game 7, October 19 (if necessary); 8:07 P.M. (Eastern)

Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Florida

Team R H E
Boston - - -
Tampa Bay - - -

References

  1. ^ "Tentative 2008 MLB Postseason Schedule". World Series. MLB.com. Retrieved 2008-09-16.
  2. ^ "ESPN - Red Sox vs. Rays - Recap - October 10, 2008". ESPN.com. Retrieved 2008-10-11.
  3. ^ "ESPN - Red Sox vs. Rays - Recap - October 11, 2008". ESPN.com. Retrieved 2008-10-12.
  4. ^ "SGame Wrapup". MLB.com. 2008-10-12. Retrieved 2008-10-13.
  5. ^ "Sox, Rays tie mark with seven homers". MLB.com. 2008-10-12. Retrieved 2008-10-13.
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