User talk:A Nobody

Welcome to my talk page! Please be sure to make all posts civil and constructive, as I'll revert anything I deem to be vandalism. Also, let us try to keep two-way conversations readable. If you post to my talk page, I will just reply here. If I posted recently to another talk page, including your talk page, then that means I have it on my watchlist and will just read responses there. I may refactor discussions to your talk page for the same reason. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! My Talk Archives: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33

Thanks.

Well I wanted to buy more games. It cost me lot of money. Though now that I had surgery I can only spent less time on games but I still play a lot of them. Why do you want PS 3 get a Xbox 360. Btw do you want to be my friend?. --SkyWalker (talk) 07:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

With the oil companies price gouging us, it is hard to have money for games! My main reasons for wanting a PS3 over a 360 are SingStar and because I have a large number of PS1 and PS2 games I still enjoy playing. Plus, I like that it has a built in Blu-Ray drive, Wi-Fi, and a download service that does not require the subscription fees that Xbox Live has. I really, really wish it had Pinball FX, though as the Nightmare Mansion table is right up my alley (my username means The Great Pumpkin King). And I am always happy to be friends with my fellow editors! Also, sorry to read about your having surgery; I hope you are recovering okay. --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 07:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah i see. Well the only game i wanted to play most on PS 3 is Metal Gear Solid 4. PS3 cost a lot here in India and plus the games are expensive it cost Rs.3000 for 1 game here and PC games cost around Rs.300 to Rs.1200 and plus with modding in PC game it is cheap. I must say games are getting costlier. How you tried Rock Band and Guitar Hero 3?. --SkyWalker (talk) 07:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I own the following consoles, games, strategy guides, and peripherals: Imperial Glory, Sid Meier’s Civilization IV, Warlords, Beyond the Sword, FC Twin Video Game System, Castlevania, Friday the 13th, Ghosts ‘N Goblins, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Jaws, L’Empereur, Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out!!, Super C, Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II The Arcade Game, Captain America and The Avengers, Lethal Enforcers, Blue Justifier, Pink Justifier, Mortal Kombat 3, PGA Tour Golf, TeeV Golf, Operation Thunderbolt, Super NES Super Scope 6, Revolution X, Music is the Weapon-featuring Aerosmith, Sid Meier’s Civilization, Super Batter Up, Batter Up, Super Game Boy, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fall of the Foot Clan, Tetris, Super Ghouls ‘N Ghosts, Super NES Super Scope 6, Super NES Super Scope 6, Super Star Wars, Super Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, Super Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, T2: The Arcade Game, Super NES Super Scope 6, X Zone, Super NES Super Scope 6, Microsoft Xbox, Arctic Thunder (rated “Teen” for mild violence), Capcom Classics Collection (rated “Teen” for violence), Dead or Alive Ultimate (rated “Mature 17+” for sexual themes and violence), Dead or Alive 1 Ultimate, Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate, Dead or Alive 3 (rated “Teen” for mature sexual themes and violence), Fight Club (rated “Mature 17+” for blood, intense violence, and language), Karaoke Revolution (rated “Everyone”), Microphone, Karaoke Revolution Party (rated “Everyone 10+” for mild lyrics and suggestive themes), Microphone, Midway Arcade Treasures 3 (rated “Everyone” for cartoon violence), Mortal Kombat Armageddon (rated “Mature 17+” for blood, gore, and intense violence), Prima Official Guide, Outlaw Golf: 9 More Holes of X-Mas (rated “Teen” for comic mischief, mature sexual themes, mild language, and mild violence), Pinball Hall of Fame: The Gottlieb Collection (rated “Everyone” for mild suggestive themes), Pure Pinball (rated “Everyone” for suggestive themes), Silent Scope Complete (rated “Mature 17+” for blood and violence), SoulCalibur II (rated “Teen” for violence and suggestive themes), Official Fighter’s Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0256-7), Starsky & Hutch (rated “Teen” for violence), Tecmo Classic Arcade (rated “Everyone”), The House of the Dead III (rated “Mature” for blood, gore, and violence), The MadCatz Blaster Light Gun, The Guy Game (rated “Mature 17+” for crude humor, nudity, strong language, strong sexual content, and use of alcohol), Trivial Pursuit Unhinged (rated “Teen” for comic mischief an suggestive themes), Sega Genesis, Menacer Sony PlayStation 2, Area 51, Konami Enforcer/Justifier Gun, Bass Landing, Fishing Controller, Crypt Killer, Konami Enforcer/Justifier Gun, Die Hard Trilogy 2 – Viva Las Vegas, Konami Enforcer/Justifier Gun, Prima’s Official Strategy Guide, Elemental Gearbolt, GunCon, Konami Enforcer/Justifier Gun, Game & Controller Combo Pack, Fission Fishing Controller Greatest Hits: Reel Fishing, Greatest Hits: Die Hard Trilogy, Konami Enforcer/Justifier Gun, Greatest Hits: Final Fantasy VIII, Greatest Hits: Mortal Kombat Trilogy, Gunfighter: The Legend of Jesse James, GunCon, Interactive sampler disc CD volume 8, Lethal Enforcers I & II, Konami Enforcer/Justifier Gun, Maximum Force Pull the Trigger, GunCon, Konami Enforcer/Justifier Gun, Point Blank 2, GunCon, Project: Horned Owl, Konami Enforcer/Justifier Gun, Rampage Through Time, Reel Fishing II, EA Sports Championship Bass, Fission Fishing Controller, Revolution X, Music is the Weapon – Featuring Aerosmith, Risk, The X Files, Time Crisis, GunCon, Time Crisis: Project Titan, GunCon, WWF Attitude, Official Acclaim Strategy Guide, American Idol (rated “Everyone”), Arctic Thunder (rated “Teen” for mild violence), Aqua Teen Hunger Force Zombie Ninja Pro-Am, Atari Anthology, Backyard Wrestling 2: There Goes the Neighborhood, Battlestar Galactica, Boogie, Logitech Microphone, CMT Presents Karaoke Revolution Country, Headset or Microphone, Eye Toy, DOA 2: Hardcore, Prima’s Official Strategy Guide, Dino Stalker, GunCon 2, Disney High School Musical: Sing It!, Logitech Microphone, Singstar USB Microphones, Disney’s The Haunted Mansion, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0347-4), Eighteen Wheeler American Pro Trucker, Driving Force, Endgame, GunCon 2, Eye Toy Groove, Eye Toy, Eye Toy Play, Eye Toy, Eye Toy Play 2, Eye Toy, Fighter Maker 2, Fisherman’s Bass Club, Agetec Bass Landing Controller, Freaky Flyers Demo Disc, Gauntlet Dark Legacy, Prima’s Official Strategy Guide, Get On Da Mic, EyeToy USB Camera, Logitech/PS2 USB Headset, Logitech USB Microphone, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Driving Force, Greatest Hits: God of War, Prima Official Game Guide, Greatest Hits: Kingdom Hearts, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0198-6), Greatest Hits Namco Museum 50th Anniversary, Greatest Hits: Resident Evil 4, Chainsaw Controller, Signature Series Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0557-4; updated), Greatest Hits: Sonic Mega Collection Plus, Happy Feet, Jampack: Volume 12, Jampack: Volume 15, Jaws Unleashed, Jeopardy!, Karaoke Revolution, Headset Microphone, Konami Microphone, Karaoke Revolution Volume 2, Headset Microphone, Konami Microphone, Karaoke Revolution Volume 3, Konami Microphone, Karaoke Revolution Party, Konami Microphone, Eye Toy, Karaoke Revolution Presents American Idol, Konami Microphone, Eye Toy, Karaoke Revolution Presents American Idol Encore, Konami Microphone, Eye Toy USB Camera (for PS2), Midway Arcade Treasures 2, Midway Arcade Treasures 3, Mortal Kombat Armageddon Premium Edition, Prima Official Guide, Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0173-0), Mortal Kombat Deception Premium Pack Sub-Zero Edition, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0433-0; updated), Ninja Assault, GunCon 2, Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine Demo Disc 73, Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine Demo Disc 112, Okage: Shadow King, Onimusha 3: Demon Siege, Peter Jackson’s King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie, Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End, Rampage: Total Destruction, Rapala Pro Fishing, Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0038-6), Reel Fishing III, Resident Evil Dead Aim, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0274-5), GunCon 2, Rock Band, Rumble Roses, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0474-8), Sega Genesis Collection, Sega Superstars, Eye Toy, SingStar Amped, EyeToy USB Camera (for PS2), SingStar microphones, SingStar USB converter, SingStar 80's, EyeToy USB Camera (for PS2), SingStar microphones, SingStar USB converter, SingStar ‘90s, EyeToy USB Camera (for PS2), SingStar microphones, SingStar USB converter, SingStar Pop, SingStar microphones, SingStar USB converter, SingStar Rocks!, SingStar microphones, SingStar USB converter, SoulCalibur II, Official Fighter’s Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0256-7), SoulCalibur III, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0598-1), Starsky & Hutch, Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Taito Legends, Taito Legends 2, The Guy Game, The King of Fights XI, The King of Fighters 2006, The X Files Resist or Serve, Thrillville, Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas Oogie’s Revenge, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0618-X), Time Crisis Crisis Zone, GunCon 2, Time Crisis 2, GunCon 2, Time Crisis 3, GunCon 2, Trivial Pursuit Unhinged, Ultimate Board Game Collection, Vampire Night, GunCon 2, WWE Smackdown! vs Raw, Official Game Guide, WWE SmackDown! vs Raw 2006, Official Strategy Guide (ISBN: 0-7440-0606-6), The Lord of the Rings: Warrior of Middle Earth, and Wireless Sword. I have actually uploaded photos of many of my games and accessories listed above that can be found on some of their relevant pages. --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh my that is a loads of games and guides.About 80% of those are not available in India. I usually buy games on reviews and when i get money to get them. :). It would be good idea if you can add those to your userpage :). --SkyWalker (talk) 09:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll definitely consider it, but I think my userpage is already overally long. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 12:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy 4th of July

How nice, thank you! Oui, je suis bien Americain, happy 4th of july to you too! -- Geĸrίtz (talk) 00:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! Tres bien!  :) --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Same to you! Thanks for the note. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome; I'm always happy to spread some wiki-love to help make our project more pleasant. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like its unanimous. Citrus, I always appreciate your greetings. Best, Mandsford (talk) 01:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy to read that! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm nice because I agreed with you? :P Have a nice weekend too. Not entirely sure I should be supporting you, considering that it's a celebration of you guys getting out from under the Brit's grasp, but I'll let it slide. Naerii 01:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Anyone who agrees with me is okay in my book! And for the record, I personally am quite fond of the many British people I have met. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

We don't really celebrate that here in Australia, but thanks for the well wishes. I hope you have a happy 4th of July. Gamer Junkie ^{T / C} 02:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome and yes, I saw a massive hot air balloon lift off and fire works and had some Dairy Queen as well; and I even saw a big basset hound. Plus, my pumpkins are doing great this year! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You too! Happy Independence Day. :) --PeaceNT (talk) 02:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!  :) --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks as well, if you are an American (and even if you are not; I can only assume that you are a citizen of a nation of freedom yourself, as you are such a strong champion of freedom for people who work on articles whose "notability" is called into question) then I wish the same for you as well. No need to limit that to "nice" people though, as even non-nice people deserve the same rights to independence as the rest of us!  :) BOZ (talk) 03:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! Yes, I am American and I like helping people, whether it's giving them nice greetings or defending their work. If you notice, I changed my signature for the day to "Happy Independence Day!" So, hopefully even those with whom I disagreed in various XfDs also felt some pleasantness. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the well wishes, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles! I had a very nice Independence Day, I hope you did too! Knowitall (talk) 03:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome and yes, as indicated above, the Balloon Fest was cool as usual. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Not an American, but thanks anyway. Nice list you're keeping ;) --Pwnage8 (talk) 03:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. I think it's important to show appreciation for those who have helped make editing Wikipedia more pleasant for me (hence, the list) as I truly believe that Wikipedia:Editors matter.  :) --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, same to you. VartanM (talk) 03:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm Canadian, but I hope you have a great weekend and Independence Day! Happy editing! --Silver Edge (talk) 04:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, Canada is without a doubt one of my favorite places to visit (I love Montreal with its Restaurant Bonaparte and La Ronde; Niagara Falls for Clifton Hill; the Wheels Inn near Windsor; and the great fishing elsewhere). Plus, I have always found Canadians pleasant when I have visited, whether it be Ontario or Quebec. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Same to you. :-) — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 05:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome and thanks right back!  :) --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I just enjoyed the Disneyland fireworks. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 06:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

We (my parents and I) went with the Ashland Balloon Fest. --Happy editing! Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 07:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Happy Independence Day indeed--independence from alcohol, by the grace of my Higher Power, for 22 years, 4 months, 23 days, 22 hours, and fourteen minutes--but who's counting! I only wish all of the practicing drunks in my life could have this gift... Qworty (talk) 06:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm not an American (though I did watch Independence Day the film yesterday...Okay, well, not quite the same...But it's a great film. :D). I hope you have a great celebratory weekend. All the best, PeterSymonds (talk) 08:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm not Amercian but my wife is, so that's enough reason to celebrate!:)Pawnkingthree (talk) 10:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you LGRdC. Rudget (logs) 15:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome to all! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. I hope you had a good fourth of July as well. Tim Q. Wells (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome and I did!  :) --Happy Festival of Castor and Pollux! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for the kind sentiment. As it happens, I'm not American, and get no break this weekend. It's currently throwing down with rain here in Wales, and I've had to spend most of the day clothes shopping for an upcoming wedding I can't get out of attending (not mine!). However, your note brought a smile to my face, and for that I thank you ;) Best, EyeSerene^talk 16:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

thank you from me as well, LeGrand. I appreciate the well wishes! Hope you have a nice weekend as well! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you from me as well, sir. I hope that you enjoy the weekend as well. :) John Carter (talk) 16:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

And me too :) It was actually my Birthday so the 4th of July is always good for me ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.32.31 (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome to all and Happy Birthday to the IP! My weekend is fine, although I just reverted hoax/nonsense vandalism that has been unnoticed for nearly two months. Anyway, I now wonder how much more of that has been unnoticed for so long or if this is something rare. It concerns me as I know students use this site (I think most would read the removed material and realize it's bull, but still!). --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much!!! Hurray America! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome!  :) --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

<- Thanks from me also, but I'm not American! Ah well, cheers for the thought! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 21:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

That's okay as I have had many good friends who aren't American!  :) --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, my pumpkin-y friend. :P Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 22:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You're most welcome! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet case

Hello,

Join the sockpuppet case against the IP troll. That way we can edit in peace!--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 00:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Where at? Best, --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 06:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

FFF talks back

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Okay. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 14:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

At the VP

Le Grand Roi, someone has already commented back at the Village pump in response to your proposal. Thought you ought to be aware, because I think I am going to wait for your next comments there before leaving some more of my own, i.e. listen to what you have to say in response to decide further. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 15:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for letting me know about the AN/I. I've already left a comment there. As for the RFA, well, at this point I'm going to play it out and see what becomes of it. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 16:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome and I think it's important that you commented at ANI, because don't be surprised if a number of editors check your RfA from seeing it at ANI who might otherwise not have seen it. By the way, alleged "fact" just emailed to me: "The human brain cell can hold 5 times as much information as the Encyclopedia Britannica." --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Independence Day

Thank you for the note! I was gone during that weekend, so sorry for the late reply. Once again, thanks for the nice note! --haha169 (talk) 20:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Me too...I was also gone. Cheers, Spencer^T♦C 23:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Cool! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks from User:Jerry

Thanks for wishing me a good Independance Day. I am currently on vacation and unable to login due to cookies poliocy on the public computer I am accessing the internet from. I did indeed have a nice 4th, and hope you did as well. - Jerry 24.63.50.205 (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! Have a nice vacation! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I just came back to authenticate my previous anonymous post. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 23:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome again!  :) --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 23:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

On "cruft"

Hi,

I'm sure you're aware that WP:NOCRUFT and WP:CRUFTCRUFT are essays and not policy. You appear to be of the inclusionist bent, which is fair enough, but there's really not much point in citing those two essays in deletion discussions given that they've got absolutely no buy-in outwith inclusionists. Admins are smart enough to weight comments which say nothing more than "delete, cruft" without needing to be linked to essays on the subject. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 00:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello! They may be good reads for new users coming to the discussions and hopefully they'll help discourage others from using that word. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Meh. I suppose I'm not really the one to judge whether users should be "discouraged" from viewing "cruft" as a valid argument in *fD, given that I believe "cruft" to be amongst the most compelling reasons possible for deletion. Each to his own. Just a heads-up, though, given that you recently replied as such to an editor who is himself an experienced admin. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 00:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I know, but I suppose since it's a new essay, might as well post it somewhere. Plus, the admin in question is on my list of nice Wikipedians. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day

Thanks for the kind wishes. SunCreator (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 02:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for the message: yes, I am an American: see my userboxen. Bearian (talk) 14:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

Hello, A Nobody. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. See Wikipedia:AN#Question about disruptive editor. Cheers, HiDrNick! 11:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• I did close and archive this discussion but it was un-archived by another admin. Fair warning, there appears to be a groundswell of disapproval about your style and suggestions that this is now becoming disruptive. Your recent performances at DRV have certainly tried my patience and, tolerant chap that I am, I have seriously wondered whether your value as a dissenting voice is being out weighed by the drama that your behavior engenders. I'm sure on the other hand that there is also support for your crusade to include everything in the 'pedia and for your obvious value as an opponant of rampant unreasonable deltionism. The reality obviously falls somewhere in the middle and I'm hoping that you might be willing to give some serious thought to why your editing is upsetting other users. Noone wants a user RFC (having been on the wrong end of one I can confirm it's no fun) and you do bring value to the deletion process. I just wonder whether you can be persuaded to keep comments to less then 200 words and perhaps restrain yourself to one long rambling defense per discussion and perhaps not challenge everyone's opinions with issues that are not based on policy or plain assertions? I think if you can do this you will find yourself creating less angst and perhaps then editors on the deleting side might actually listen and consider what you say rather then getting annoyed and not being able to take in your comments because of the red mist! Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the heads up, but I see there's no need to comment there. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

All the Best to You As Well!

Thank you for your kind greeting for July 4th. Yes, I am an American, and I appreciate your kind regards. In a week you and I can rejoice in Bastille Day (July 14th), which celebrates our common French heritage. My name, Boisclair, is French, meaning "clear forest." I treasure your friendship and kind regard. May you always have all the best in life. Your fellow Wikipedian.--Drboisclair (talk) 17:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! I was once actually in France for Bastille Day fireworks; pretty cool. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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Member News Based on the members list, there are currently 397 members participating in WikiProject Professional wrestling. On the calendar: 29 - WWE presents Night of Champions 1 - D.M.N.'s birthday 7 - Alex Roggio's and The Hybrid's birthdays 13 - TNA presents Victory Road Collaboration of the Week The article collaborations for July 6 through July 19 are Sean Waltman and The Attitude Era. Please help to improve these articles to match the quality of an ideal Wikipedia professional wrestling related article. The next articles for collaboration will be chosen on July 20. Cast your vote to select the collaboration for next week! — Nominate an article that could be greatly improved! Articles for Deletion Current: Jack Korpela, List of Ring of Honor events, List of World Wrestling Entertainment championships, Beer Money Inc., and The Badd guys. Kept: Redirected/Merged: Mark Beale, and Eric Mastrocola. Deleted: List of ECW events. From the Editors As I'm sure you noticed above, this is the 20th edition of the WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter! It has come a long way since the first issue, and I'm sure it will only improve from here. I'd like to thank everyone reading this for continuing to read the newsletter, biweekly. I'd like to especially thank those who have helped to get the newsletter to it's 20th edition; The Hybrid, The Chronic, TJ Spyke, Alex Roggio, LAX, ThinkBlue, Nikki311, GaryColemanFan, Gavyn Sykes, D.M.N., Naha, NiciVampireHeart, SRX, Zenlax and, RkOrton. Also, lastly I'd like to thank Misza13, for sending the newsletter out for us, though his bot. His bot has to be the most important part of the process, because without it, the newsletter would not get sent to project members. I know that's a long list, but they all deserve recognition for their hard work towards the newsletter. So again, thank you to that list of people, and thank you to all of the newsletter's biweekly readers. If you have an questions, comments, or feedback about the newsletter, remember those links below. -- iMatthew T.C. Contributors to this Issue: IMatthew (talk · contribs) NiciVampireHeart (talk · contribs) SRX (talk · contribs) Discussion • Suggestions • Feedback

Delivered: 18:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC) by MiszaBot (talk)

Thanks for the Happy 4th Wishes.

Thanks very much for the sentiment. I hope your weekend was restful and happy, as well. Cheers, --SimpleParadox 18:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yu're very welcome! Unfortunately, my weekend has taken a turn for the worst as my basset hound pictured on my userpage may need to have her tail amputated due to a cancerous tumor. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know...

I've recently moved my "tribute to Wikipedians who have helped me" to a new page, and you've made my list. Check it out at User:Red Phoenix/Recognitions. Thanks, Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 19:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

How nice! Thanks! Such things really help to make Wikipedia an enjoyable place to work! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the 4th of July greeting

It was really thoughtful of you! Sincerely, Prepsear (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The traditional rfa thank you message

		Thank you for the support!
		A Nobody, it is my honor to report that thanks in part to your support my third request for adminship passed (80/18/2). I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me, and I will endeovour to put my newly acquired mop and bucket to work for the community as a whole. Yours sincerly and respectfuly, TomStar81 (Talk) 02:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome and good luck! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 14:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (July 2008)

• Newsletter delivered by xenobot 03:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Your dog

File:Bandaged basset tail.jpg

Photograph of my basset hound whose tail is bandaged due to a tumor that burst on Sunday.

I'm really sorry your dog is blind and that she appears to have had some other major surgery on her back as well. What exactly happened? Were the two related? Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 04:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; I appreciate that. She lost her eyes due to glaucoma, which is common in bassets. The other surgeries were tumors. On Sunday, a tumor on her tail burst and is currently bandaged up. Unfortunately, according to the vet, it may be cancerous and so there is a strong possibility that part or all of her tail will be amputated. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 14:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to talk about your dog when i saw your user page. I too have dog. He is a lab. We named him Juno. I had a dog before he died on Dec 2006 due to gastroenteritis. No idea how he got that. We gave him clean food and water. So we brought another. I still think about my old dog and miss him :(. Anyways take care of your pet and love him/her. --SkyWalker (talk) 17:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; I will and I'm sorry to read that about your dog. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I hope her tail surgery works out well. I'm not really a pet person, so excuse my ignorance. Is it common for a dog to have so many maladies or is this just a tragic streak of misfortune? Is she old for the breed? Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 18:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Glaucoma is common in bassets and I suppose older ones do get lumps and bumps, but this dog has been particularly unlucky. With that said, I do not give up on anything I care about. By the way, are you a real doctor and if so, what of? --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't me mentioning this Proverbs 12:10 "A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel." :). Caring for animals is good. Also Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles your pet will be just fine. No matter how many bad things happen there is always a good side. :). Take care of yourself too. See you. Iam sorry for hijacking your post Doctorfluffy. --SkyWalker (talk) 18:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate the kind thoughts. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 23:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I got a doctorate in Awesomeness. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 23:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm for real working on one in history (most likely 2009). --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 23:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

I just got back on today, and I saw your message. It really made me feel good! Thanks!!! I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 21:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm happy to read that! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 23:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You couldn't direct me to the page that talks of this "request the deleting admin reconsider closing as no consensus and then take it to deletion review" could you? I've never heard of such a thing. I'm probally a bit busy right now to fight this spate of uncalled for deletions but it'd be good to know for the future.--Him and a dog 19:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Deletion review. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonic the Hedgehog (American TV and Comic)

There seems to be no objection to merging (as per the lack of response to the target article's talk page) so I would say it's probably OK to go ahead and perform the merge, if you have not already done so. Shereth 20:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Should I check with anyone else who advocated merging in the AfD first, i.e. to see their ideas as to what would be best to merge? --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 02:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

That would probably be a good idea, yes. Shereth 13:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do so ASAP. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Independence Day

Thanks! Dlohcierekim 13:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcoem! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Lists and italics

A couple of days ago I did some work on List of magazines in South Africa, including removing the italics from magazine titles. Only now do I notice that you specifically italicized those very same titles back in December.
(a) Sorry. I should have checked the history first.
(b) I know periodical titles get italics as per WP:MOSTITLE, but it just seemed wrong to have an entire page made up of virtually nothing but italics; it didn't scan well. That is just an opinion, so I went looking for policy or consensus. WP:LIST is no help, and my searches haven't turned up any other policy or discussion, not even in the daunting Manual of Style archives, so
(c) If you can point me to a resource I'd really appreciate it. If not, could you take the time to run me through your thinking on the matter? That would be a great help.
9Nak (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles), "Italics should be used for...magazines". So, it's just a matter of being consistent across all articles. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I guess consistency is important, and having recently come across WP:CREEP I have to admit that an exception could do more harm than good – even though I still prefer the way it looks without italics. Thanks for the help. 9Nak (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

And I thought I was one of your "nice editors"

I welcome your RFC, as most of my AFD's are successful, and you are completely unsupported by Wikipedia policy in your opposition, not to mention that most editors disagree with you on this and on a potential RFC. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Spiritedly disagreeing in a few AfDs does not mean I do not think someone is nice and from my perspective your arguments in the recent ones are unsupported by Wikipedia policy, which is why I am not the only one arguing to keep or who has created or worked on these question. If we take them into account, then most editors agree with me. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 04:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, Judgesurrel, you need to come down. Le Grand was just doing is job. Do you see Wikipedia as a popularity contest? King Rock (Gears of War) 04:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The world of Warhammer: The offical encyclopedia

You do realise that the encyclopaedia doesn't cover many of the things that you are adding it to - I mean... you are not just padding articles with sources you haven't read are you? could you tell me the page number that the world eaters appear on? could you tell me the length of the entry? --Allemandtando (talk) 09:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

It demonstrates that aspects of Warhammer are encyclopedic. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

No it doesn't - because that's a book about warhammer, the articles you are adding it to are warhammer 40k, an entirely different game that doesn't cross over. So please explain further how a book that doesn't mention warhammer 40k at all provides evidences of notability. --Allemandtando (talk) 09:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

There seem to be a number of books on that topic, too. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Which are all from the publisher and have been discussed previously - what is it about 3rd party that you have a difficult grasping? Please don't waste people's time at AFD with those sorts of games - it's disruptive. Which is why I will support the RFC that is being set up about you, it's wrong to waste people's time like you currently are. --Allemandtando (talk) 09:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Please stop wasting people's times with all of these frivolous AfDs. What will be funny is if people are foolish enough to start and RfC that I will never read or abide by, because all the time they waste there will be time not spent trying to delete other people's work. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh and I'd warm up the cut and paste machine - there are about another 60 warhammer AFDs to come. --Allemandtando (talk) 09:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Be sure to first make an honest effort to improve the articles in question and keep in mind that we merge and redirect without deletion in most cases. Please do not flood AfD as deletion is reserved for last resort cases and also remember that it is good faith courtesy to notify everyone who worked on the articles in question of the AfDs to get a real consensus. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Nobody has a problem with merging and redirecting. Unfortunately, when Allemantando did exactly that to the Chaos Space Marine chapter articles in question his edits were reverted. And it is not common courtesy to notify every contributor to an article when AfDing it at all. What an absurd misreading of the guidelines. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

It's the respectful thing to do and the best way to reach an actual honest consensus. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 09:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

It's also a huge amount of work for any established article, which may have hundred of contributors. You know this, so why you would expect other established editors to fall for it is beyond me. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't interpret it ridiculously. When there are hundreds of contributors, nobody expects a nominator to notify everyone. On the other hand, how often are there "hundreds of contributors" to a "non-notable" article? (i.e., registered editors.) This "established editor" thing I've seen a few times. The editor in question registered a very short time ago, dove immediately into AfD work, and, when the obvious was pointed out, claimed to be an editor who had exercised his right to vanish. Yet I see certain editors who have treated him as an old friend. Do they know something we don't? Or is it just that the particular disruption he causes favors their causes, and they are glad to have someone else take the heat? This is an uncivil editor who is causing disruption, so ... I'm watching, see his Talk page with the blinking warning! 60 AfD's? Warm up the cut-and-paste? That's a declaration of war, not a discussion of an issue. This is not the way to build or clean up the project.--Abd (talk) 13:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Apologies

I didn't actually realise which of the various pages on this discussion I was on when I posted that diatribe. It's obviously not very civil to go talking about you in the third person on your user page. Hopefully this discussion can be had somewhere more appropriate. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Accepted and that place is User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles/Deletion discussions. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA Thanks

Thanks for your support at my RFA - it closed as a success. I now have the buttons, and a wand, and I shall do my best to cast some good wikimagic - just as you suggested! StephenBuxton (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, congratulations, and good luck! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations!!!!

		The Original Barnstar
		This Barnstar is for you finally beginning to figure out how to win AFD's for the keep side, which is by posting links which lead to real world notable content about the article in question. This is a major breakthrough, and I award this to you for your discovery. Here is the time he posted a link with some actual notable real world relevant for the article Ingen. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/InGen_(2nd_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=225245453 Please continue to do this, and if you do this multiple times per article, you will prove to me and others that the articles we nominate for deletion are worth saving, and we will have peace, harmony, and more good articles. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; a step in the right direction.  :) --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 01:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

AFD 101

Here is a good example of how to do AFD; You presented two references to demonstrate notability, one strong, one not. The strong one is this one http://books.google.com/books?id=aIhu14SUsNIC&pg=PA156&dq=Isla+Nublar&ei=gEV5SKXpIIKejgHz7azpBw&sig=ACfU3U2su1QbQqi727_4D4BRH7CyM_Ga2A Why is it strong? Because it shows us that a book actually commented on the island ITSELF, and how the island could not sustain that many raptors, as opposed to a reference that just talks about Jurassic Park in general and its plot This link, however, is not strong http://books.google.com/books?id=vGRZAAAAMAAJ&q=Isla+Sorna&dq=Isla+Sorna&ei=T0Z5SMG3AYjaigGC59nnBw&pgis=1 because we can't access the book, see what it says, so that isn't evidence of anything, other than the word is used in that book in some fashion.

The second lesson for today is, you need to find at least 3-4 of the strong examples before I or others will feel comfortable withdrawing an AFD and going for a merge or keep instead, just one good example often means we have one-two sentences of notable content, and to sustain a whole article, we need more. And I promise, if you can find a few strong examples, I will withdraw the AFD in question and go for a merger or keep instead. See? But if you cannot find strong examples, then you should agree with me and others that the article isn't notable and should be deleted. Either way, we will be in agreement.Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Two quick things (I am a bit out of it at the moment, as it's pretty apparent that my dog is at least going to lose her tail despite our efforts; see above; so I'll be brief). Anyway, regarding the first paragraph above, some sources, not in this particular case I have and can in AfDs verify their contents. As a professional historian, we rarely rely on websites in our works. Thus, we typically reference published books in articles and books of our own and hope that those reading will go to libraries to verify if necessary. Thus, in some cases just because those in the discussion cannot verify the source themself online or in five days time should absolutely not be a reason to claim that the source is somehow invalid. I have in the past been willing to check books out that Google books or Amazon.com does not display in their entirety. So, we need to have some understanding or postponement of AfDs if published books do show up in these searches, but we have to actually check them out of the library to see what they say. As a university student, I can do that. And in the larger sense, when I ask people to change their stances in AfDs from delete to keep, please keep in mind that I am not asking them to do something I have not myself done (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/F.C. Prabis, for example). Regarding your second point, my concern there is not you per se, because yes, I have seen you change stances in AfDs and withdraw nominations. Others in these discussions, however, have explicitly stated before that they absolutely will not do that and so knowing that there are in fact some accounts who see their whole purposes as being to delete with totally closed mind to any new evidence brought to light is something I am increasingly thinking maybe should be addressed somewhere. What bothers me most about AfDs is indeed seeing some discussions in which these accounts who have never and clearly stated will never argue to keep both rapid fire post across multiple discussions and also will indeed go back and forth with those arguing to keep with no desire to themselves consider the keep sides of the argument (see for example this gem of a userpage). The other problem is as you may know, I have been actually harassed both on and off-wiki by checkuser confirmed sock farms, which I could point to a number of past AfDs that closed as delete in which half or more of those on the delete side were in fact sock accounts. So, please understand at least where I am coming from in these discussions. And if I can offer a couple quick suggestions as well, please note that I am far less likely to post some kind of standard keep post in an AfD if it is not the second of third nomination I have seen with an identical nomination rationale and to save the time of AfDs, you may want to consider testing the waters with me first, i.e. ask if I think I can improve an article in question prior to starting the AfD. And I do urge not just notifying the creator of the article under discussion, but also those who have made substantial contributions. Our goal should not be about winning these discussions or trying to just clean stuff up. I certainly agree that hopeless items can and should be deleted, but if articles actually can be improved then wonderful, because after all that's what we're here to do. Time to watch boxing on HBO to relax and not dwell on my health declining hound. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 01:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia School Team

Hi;

The Wikimedia School Team was started to provide special distributions to school districts in the United States. Would you be able to lend your educational expertise to this project? Geoff Plourde (talk) 00:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I am always happy to help. What would you like me to help with? --Happy Bastille Day! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

We need a educator to make a framework or curricula for a school to use. Geoff Plourde (talk) 05:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

What kind of school? My experience is in college history. --Happy Festival of Castor and Pollux! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 05:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Whither disengagement

LeGrand. It appears over the past few days that past disagreements between you and me have come to a head again. You and I have had completely opposed stances toward the encyclopedia, so we were destined to come down on opposite sides of issues, but it appears that we are now on directly opposing sides of an argument in several places. Since our past disagreement, we have been able to correspond in relative calm on most issues. Sometimes we have done so by avoiding our principal disagreements. Sometimes we have done so by acknowledging those disagreements but working around them or (more rarely) compromising in order to engage with an issue. It appears, however, that this isn't sufficient.

Earlier today you and I got into two (basically) arguments. The first was at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/100_Japanese_respected_by_the_world. The second, at: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/World_Eaters. Both revolved around specific claims I made about your edits or questions I raised about the same. Later, at a talk page neither yours nor mine, you chose to interpret those arguments as "harassment"([1], [2], [3]). That is unfortunate. I regret starting those two conversations (at the afds listed above). In retrospect, it wasn't all that helpful and didn't provide any new information. I don't feel that those can be constituted as harassment. You obviously feel otherwise. You also, as is clear from the back and forth in this section (User_talk:TTN#Initiate_a_RFC), that my comment on these editors amounts to a breech of a covenant I was placed under following our disagreement. I don't agree with that interpretation. I also don't think that is an issue for today. If you feel I'm forever barred from speaking with admins who might seek community review of your actions, I can't disabuse you of that notion. If I feel that you were in the wrong in our original dispute then you are probably not likely to convince me that it is a closed matter.

I'm not here to talk about that. I'm here to follow up on comments I made here, here, and here. The people who disagree with you about articles are humans. They deserve to be treated with the same respect you would demand.

Please, please, please, consider that making a copy/paste response to each AfD, responding didactically to each "just not notable" or "cruft" with an essay link, or refusing to answer questions/further the process is deeply infuriating and profoundly disrespectful. The reason (I won't link diffs here, but I can if you ask me to) that editors like A man in Black and EEMIV have taken time out to mention this is because it is a perceived problem. This doesn't stem from my "issues" with you (which, apart from what I have noted above are almost zero). This stems from the premise that you are not interpreting WP:CIVIL in the same fashion as some other editors. Each editor in the AfD process has a right to be there and their opinions have a right to be heard. If you feel that some positions are weakened by limited argumentation, then please consider that not every person wants to hear from you on the subject. If you feel that nominations are too perfunctory and are undertaken with too little due diligence for searching, please say so. Don't interpret this problem as an opportunity to copy and paste a 'keep' rationale in protest. This is what I was trying to get across (partially) during our WQA/RFC dispute. I interpreted your actions there as a total lack of respect for me and others. I was not along in this interpretation. I'm sorry I filed that WQA. I should have just instead disengaged. But don't interpret that regret as some concession of facts. I don't think I was wrong. I think you were out of line. And I'm sticking by that assessment. This (I'm not digging through talk archives to link the diffs) is echoed here--it is felt that you ought to act as though you treat people who want to delete articles with respect. We are human. We are usually pretty intelligent. We can see through lines like "sincerely" or "cheers" if the text of the actual message doesn't reflect the sentiment of the signature.

I don't mean stop posting to afds. I can't ask you to do that and even if I had the power I wouldn't. As I've said a dozen times, AfD needs your voice. We need you to remind us that not all articles are worthless piles of cruft and that some articles can be saved (Like Star Wars PEZ for just one of many examples). We need you to dig through sourcing because you CARE about the article in question, and sometimes deletionists (or regular editors) don't. Also, it doesn't matter if we "need" you to be there. You have a right to participate (I know WP:NOTDEMO, but the idea is the same). That right shouldn't be abridged because I don't like how you are contributing.

I mean please accept the impassioned pleas of other editors who are asking you to contribute meaningfully. Please don't see something like an RfC as a vicious character attack from determined enemies (unless it actually is). Please see some criticism as a call for change, not an attack on your positions or values. Please, PLEASE treat us with the respect you want us to afford you. Protonk (talk) 01:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I am pleased that we have been able to work successfully in some instances and we should focus on those efforts as models for how to colloborate in the future. So long as people treat me respectfully I will do the same. So long as people do not post copy and paste AfD nominations, I will not post copy and paste arguments to keep. I can tell when comments made to be are biased or self-serving and I can tell when they are neutral and constructive. In the later cases, I will indeed gladly take them as valid suggestions. I hope of course that others will do the same. --Happy Bastille Day! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Again, here I'm going to echo what AMiB said. It doesn't make a bit of sense to reply to copy/paste AfDs with a copy/paste response. It makes much more sense to point out (as you have in some occasions) that the AfD is broad, undirected and incomplete, not respond in kind. It also makes sense to allow superfluous votes to stand unargued most of the time. If I make an AfD comment that something should be deleted because it is cruft and you reply with an essay entitled WP:Do not call things cruft, I am liable to interpret that as an imperative (also, that is a terrible title for that essay, it really ought to be changed, as it doesn't reflect the content, IMO). If I interpret your request as an imperative, I am liable to raise my hackles for no good reason. I understand your frustration but I don't think it reflects well on you to operate in this fashion.

As for the larger issue, I wish we could talk about that. Meaning that I think your response to criticism has been to dismiss the criticism as harassment or to pick a specific point and argue that without taking into account the whole. Sometimes you are correct--lots of editors have taken it into their heads that you are to be harassed or bothered otherwise. Sometimes points of criticism have really boiled down to specific claims about your actions and were properly addressed at that level of specificity. But most of the time this wasn't the case. When I ask you to treat participants in the AfD process with respect I mean that I wish you would operate without the condition that people are respectful to you. In other words, people will always be assholes. They will be dismissive, unfriendly and coarse. I think it would reflect better on you (and me) to behave the same irrespective of that behavior. That is what I was trying (unsuccessfully) to get across with my RfC. That civility means an attempt at mutual respect and that certain practices erode that respect.

I really like working with you and I respect you. As I've noted a half-dozen times (but will repeat), I will have to be around 3 years to begin to match the contribution you have made to the wiki. You have suffered through more harassment and vandalism than I will likely see in a decade here. You have done so (largely) with wit and aplomb. Dealing with you on talk pages and article-space has been a treat. But talking to you on AfD pages is like speaking to a different person. You don't treat me or other editors with the same respect you offer on talk pages. One of the reasons this came to a head between you and me again was because the contrast was so jarring. To go from collaborating over the Cheshire Cat article to being given the cold shoulder in AfD debates seemed stark and rude. I got the feeling that you thought the WQA/RfD debacle had been a comment on my behavior specifically and that we were to continue as before but with an admonishment to me for the temerity to raise a complaint. All in all, this was pretty frustrating. And when you admonished me to "stay on task" for remarking on your AfD contributions, it was specifically frustrating.

So where is this going? Partially, I want to keep the dialogue up. Partially I want to diffuse this and prevent it from becoming a repeat of the past issues. But I also want to declare that my complaints are legitimate. They are not harassment. And while I won't file another RfC absent some unprecedented change in behavior, I don't consider discussions of one with others (particularly when the subtext of my contribution is to implore the participants to calm down) as harassment a priori some evidence of that. While you may act out of frustration I don't appreciate the lecture. So lets see where we can come together. Protonk (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

The cruft essay and all is intended to encourage editors to provide a real substantiated reason for deletion if they reply as such then they wind up strengthening their stance, if they reply defensively then it further shows that their reason is indeed subjective. I do not dismiss critciism when it comes from neutral editors; when it comes from those who have themselves been cautioned, warned, blocked, or sanctioned for civility or who never or practically never argue to keep then I take it for what it really is. Thus, in AfDs, I usually know which editors see their purpose on wikipedia as being solely to delete stuff or other singular purposes. And I know what kinds of venues are conducive toward gaining mutual understandings or proactive ideas and which devolve into partisan mudslinging that escalates matters and makes editors dig in. And thus I do what is necessary to keep discussions in productive venues and to make sure that whatever discussion there is remains worthwhile. --Happy Bastille Day! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It saddens me considerably to read that response. Again you have drilled down to specifics where I raised broad questions. Again you have claimed the high ground without room for exception. I'm not out to smear you or to troll you. In asking you to be receptive of criticism I'm only asking that you reflect upon comment regardless of the source's stance toward the wiki. If you break up editors based on their stance in deletion debates and accept criticism based largely on that dichotomy that has the same effect as ignoring the criticism. I'm not out to get into a pissing contest. I want a real response to my questions and my concerns. If that requires days or weeks, I am happy to oblige (I hope you know from our parallel conversation on my talk page that I know this is low priority). If you don't want to give a response, then please say so. Consider my pleas above as a call for you to embrace some self-reflection on this subject. I don't expect you do change when I (or anyone else) demand it nor to expect cries for reflection to be answered immediately, but I feel this is important. But please reflect upon this before responding. Protonk (talk) 19:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I have to be brief at present as I am bogged down with my dog and grading and so my edits today have to be quick ones; i.e. welcomes or one sentence replies, quick grammar fixes, etc. unfortunately. My mind is elsewhere as far as reflective comments go today and probably for the next few days. --Happy Bastille Day! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Please, take your time. Like I said, responding to this at length or following some thought should fall pretty low on the totem pole. I don't think I have status to demand an immediate and detailed response. Please respond at your leisure. Protonk (talk) 20:01, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay. By the way, what do you think about starting an article on Reptilian humanoids in culture from such sources as [4] and [5]? --Happy Bastille Day! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

To be honest the subject doesn't interest me enough to put the effort into it to make a new article. There is room for a GA in there somewhere (and I'm sure there is already a "reptiles in mythology" or "reptiles in fiction" article out there) should someone want to dig through sources, but I probably wouldn't do it justice. Protonk (talk) 22:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate the open-mindedness. --Happy Bastille Day! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 02:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm eager to please. I hope that I usually live up to my promise of reversing my position in the event that facts change. Protonk (talk) 02:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying for some good natured humor at User talk:A Man In Black#A moment of levity to cheer everyone up. --Happy Festival of Castor and Pollux! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 02:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Good talk

Take care of your poor pooch, I have a dog myself so I completely understand, it's good you have your priorities straight on that. Back to what you said in AFD 101, I think we are now in agreement. If you can either demonstrate notability in the manner I showed you, or you have a good feeling there is notable information in existence about an article that you can access, I won't nominate an article for AFD, or if you need time, I will withdraw it. But this understanding must extend the other way, that if you can't find anything or don't have a good feeling, which means the article really doesn't have a leg to stand on, we should delete and possibly redirect. Besides, a lot of this material eventually comes back, such as when they do the Warhammer 40,000 main article and discuss the plot. If a massive amount of material is found about how the characters and worlds of Warhammer were created, all these articles would come back in a much better form, so it's not like the earth is salted for them.

And perhaps I will run some articles by you if you are game, as that would make this process more efficient. At the moment, the Warhammer 40,000 series has a vast amount of fictional articles associated with it, which you will notice in topics on one of my userpages. They have so far demonstrated no notability, and I have a feeling they will not. In this case, if you could look in print media for information regarding how the creators of the Warhammer 40,000 series created/dreamed it up/designed the worlds and characters, that would be great. I can look on the net, you can look in the library. And if we don't find anything, the major consolidation that others are trying to instigate should go through unopposed by either of us. But if we find something, we can build them up and keep them. Sound good? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, she's almost assuredly losing all or part of the tail on Thursday in surgery, which has me down. The Warhammer articles I believe can be merged and redirected at least into lists, transwiked, etc., where I just don't think outright deletion is the path to take, i.e. I don't think other options have yet been exhausted. Deletion really needs to be a last resort when the articles in question can't even be redirected or transwikied. --Happy Bastille Day! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Bastille Day!

Sorry to waste your space with this, but your festive signature was quite a joy to see, and I'm glad that someone around here remembered... nah... Anyway, Happy Bastille Day! Leonard^(Bloom) 22:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

A nice comment is never a waste of space! Thanks and Happy Bastille Day to you as well!  :) --Happy Bastille Day! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 02:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

PS, Le Grand, is there a code you use to generate these daily holidays? Or do you update your sig manually? weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 13:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello! I do it manually. --Happy Festival of Castor and Pollux! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OK this is getting silly

_{sorry edit watchers that edit summary was for fun}

OK, I think our interaction is getting out of hand at the moment and is causing problems - so I'm going to suggest the following:

1) I will *not* AFD any more Warhammer articles - while I think they have problems and *should* be AFD'd, I'd like to reach out the hand and say "ok you have concerns that they are not and I'm going to try and listen harder" - so that's my way of listening harder - I will *not* AFD any of the ones currently at ARS and will post a notice to that affect to the rest of the ARSes _{(heh - I couldn't help myself with that one - did nobody notice the pun when you came up with name?)}

2) In fact, I will not AFD ANY article for a period of six weeks and will concentrate solely on clean-up, article creation and sourcing etc. I have got this rep as some AFD crazied nutcase. That's really not what it's about and I frankly haven't done a very job of convincing people of that.

3) As a further boon and sign of goodwill - I will assist the ARSes _{(I'm sorry I just love that pun)} on clean-up and rescue of articles for a period of at least six weeks. Because let's be clear about this - where are we going as a project - this division between "them" (delete!) and "us" (keep!) is getting us nowhere. Maybe by working with the ARSes _{(ok stop it now Alle..)}, I can get a better understanding of the perspective there and hopeful people can get a better idea of my talents.

How does this sound?

--Allemandtando (talk) 21:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)