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:''See also [[Chevrolet Astra]] of Latin America''
==Welcome to English Wikipedia==
{{Infobox Automobile
|name=Chevrolet Astro
|image=[[Image:Chevrolet-Astro-cargo.jpg|250px|2nd-gen Chevrolet Astro cargo van]]
|manufacturer=[[General Motors]]
|production=1985–2005
|class=[[Minivan]]
|layout=[[Front-engine design|Front engine]], [[rear-wheel drive]] / [[Four-wheel drive]]
|platform=[[GM M platform|M-body]]
|aka=GMC Safari
|body_style=3-door [[van]]
|transmission=4-speed [[Automatic transmission|automatic]]
|assembly=[[Baltimore Assembly]] in [[Baltimore, Maryland]], [[USA]]
}}
{{Infobox Automobile generation
|name=First generation
|image=[[Image:1st Chevrolet Astro.jpg|250px|Chevrolet Astro]]
|production=1985–1994
|engine=2.5L [[GM_Iron_Duke_engine#Tech_IV|Tech IV]] {{convert|98|hp|abbr=on}}[[Straight-4|I4]]<br>4.3L [[GM Vortec engine#4300|4300]] {{convert|165|hp|abbr=on}} [[V6]]<br>4.3L 4300 {{convert|200|hp|abbr=on}} [[V6]]
|height=1985-89: {{auto in|73.7|0}}<br>1985-89 Cargo Van SWB: {{auto in|74.5|0}}<Br>1990-91 SWB: {{auto in|74.9|0}}<br>1990-91 SWB: {{auto in|74.1|0}}<br>1992-94 Astro: {{auto in|76.2|0}}<bR>1992-94 Safari Cargo Van: {{auto in|76.1|0}}<br>1992-94 Safari SLX: {{auto in|76.4|0}}<br>1992-94 Safari 2WD LWB: {{auto in|76.6|0}}<br>1992-94 Safari Cargo Van AWD SWB: {{auto in|75.7|0}}<br>1992-94 Safari Cargo Van AWD LWB: {{auto in|76.0|0}}
|length=SWB: {{auto in|176.8|0}}<br>LWB: {{auto in|186.8|0}}<Br>1992-94 Astro Cargo Van SWB: {{auto in|177.9|0}}<br>1992-94 Astro Cargo Van LWB: {{auto in|187.9|0}}
|wheelbase={{auto in|111.0|0}}
|width={{auto in|77.0|0}}<Br>1992-94 Safari & Astro Cargo Van: {{auto in|77.5|0}}
}}
{{Infobox Automobile generation
|name=Second generation
|image=[[Image:2nd-Chevrolet-Astro.jpg|250px|Second generation Chevrolet Astro]]
|production=1995&ndash;2005
|engine=4.3 L {{convert|190|hp|abbr=on}} [[V6]]
|height=1995-96 Astro: {{auto in|75.9|0}}<br>1997-98 Astro: {{auto in|76.0|0}}<br>1995-96 Safari: {{auto in|76.2|0}}<br>1997-98/2002-03 Safari Cargo Van & 1999-2001 Astro Cargo Van 2WD: {{auto in|75.3|0}}<br>1997-2005 Safari & 2002-05 Astro: {{auto in|75.0|0}}<Br>1999-2001 Astro 2WD: {{auto in|74.9|0}}<br>1999-2001 Astro Cargo Van AWD: {{auto in|75.2|0}}<br>1999-2001 Astro AWD: {{auto in|74.8|0}}
|length={{auto in|189.8|0}}
|wheelbase=1995-96: {{auto in|111.0|0}}<br>1997-2005: {{auto in|111.2|0}}
|width={{auto in|77.5|0}}
}}
[[Image:1st-GMC-Safari.jpg|250px|thumb|right|1st-gen GMC Safari]]
[[Image:GMC Safari.jpg|250px|thumb|right|1997 GMC Safari]]


The '''Chevrolet Astro''' was a [[rear-wheel drive]] [[minivan]] introduced by [[Chevrolet]] in 1985 to rival domestic ([[United States|American]]) competitors the [[Dodge Caravan]]/[[Plymouth Voyager]] twins and the [[Japan]]ese [[Toyota Van]]. Also sharing the Astro's truck-based platform was its sibling, the '''[[GMC (automobile)|GMC]] Safari'''. In addition to standard passenger uses, the vans were also available as cargo vans, and converters used them as the basis for small [[conversion van]]s.
Im happy that you have created an account ;) [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 22:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


Both [[Pontiac]] and GMC have used the Safari nameplate (GMC is part of the Pontiac/GMC division); Pontiac used the nameplate on several of its [[station wagon]] models from 1955 through 1989. The two Safaris, both Pontiac and GMC, were on the market together (often sold by the same dealerships) from 1985 through 1989.
Thank you. [[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 08:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


The Astro model name had been used previously for the unrelated Chevrolet Astro 1 Concept car, first shown at the New York Autoshow of 1967.<ref> [http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/2409/Chevrolet-Astro-I-Concept.html Chevrolet Astro I Concept car at www.ultimatecarpage.com] Retrieved on 24/7/08 </ref>


While the Astro was referred to as a minivan, it was sized between the [[Chevrolet Venture]]/[[Chevrolet Lumina APV|Lumina APV]] [[unibody]] [[minivan]] and the full-size [[Chevrolet Van|Chevy Van/Express]]. Similar to the [[Ford Aerostar]], it was based on a traditional truck frame.
==Please stop==
Please stop leaving bad comments on my talkpage and reverting my edits. This is not acceptable behavior on English Wikipedia. If you stop then we have no problems with each other. --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 23:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


Due to their truck-based platform, the Astro and Safari could pull {{convert|5500|lb|abbr=on}} with proper equipment. AWD models could tow up to {{convert|5000|lb|abbr=on}} when properly equipped. This is opposed to car-based, front-wheel drive minivans; most of which are limited to a 3,500 pound towing capacity. {{Fact|date=July 2007}}
But thats what you do is not right, too. You should try to have a neutral point of view. That help help everybody here.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 08:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ever heard of ban? Gotta tell you, since your a user now, its possible. It's agaisnt the rules to remove comments and undue edits simply because "i don't like him/her/it". Du isst dum und langweilig.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 03:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:: "'''''b'''''ist dum'''''m'''''" - I am impartial, just remark on the German language. By the way it sounds as a severe contradiction of [[WP:NPA]] and I am obliged to concede that I disapprove its use. [[User:Bogorm|Bogorm]] ([[User talk:Bogorm|talk]]) 20:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


Initial advertising boasted that it was a vehicle that will "make you realize that life is too big for a [[minivan]]", referring to the [[Chrysler minivans]].
I have already apologized and now working here like everyone else. Why are you still to agressive toward me?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 07:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


Engines options ranged from 145 to 190 hp (108 to 142 [[watt|kW]]) [[V6]] engine, depending on options and/or model year.
== welcome to the fun world of being held accountable to your stupidity. ==


The van seated up to 8 passengers.
stop addingm sources from people who arnt in the goverment of these countries--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 00:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


In addition to being sold in [[North America]], the Chevrolet Astro was exported to [[Japan]], where the van enjoys a cult following. In 2005, to celebrate the last year of Astro production, Chevrolet of Japan offered a limited edition run of the final production models. The Astro's popularity in Japan comes even though it was only offered in left-hand drive.
Please stop being so agressive toward me.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 08:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


==Chassis features==
==Whom I was regarding==
Much like the second-generation [[GM F platform|GM F-body]] and [[GM X platform|X-body]] vehicles, the GM M-van (Astro/Safari) had a bolt-on subframe incorporating the front suspension from a [[GM B platform|GM B-body]] station wagon ([[Chevrolet Caprice]], [[Cadillac Brougham]]) with a leaf-spring rear suspension. The lower ball joints were larger than their [[GM B platform|B-body]] counterparts (similar to 1977-96 Cadillac D platform vehicles e.g. Fleetwood limousines). These ball joints were later used in the final Chevrolet Caprice 9C1 (police package) cars manufactured in 1995 and 1996. They also shared many mechanical similarities to the [[GM GMT platform|GMT 325/330]] midsize S/T Pickup/Utilities.


As mentioned above, the Astro and Safari were [[rear-wheel drive]] vehicles, but in 1990 a new [[all-wheel drive]] (AWD) system, designed and developed by [[FF Developments]] (FFD)<ref>{{cite news
I was talking about Jakezing, not you. Regards ;) [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 20:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
|title=No giant here - FF Developments Ltd - company profile
:could you do something for me please. Will you translate this please? [http://www.vienna.at/news/politik/artikel/portugal-will-kosovo-bald-anerkennen/cn/news-20080828-10124076] Thanks [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 20:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
|date=Dec 1999
:your not one to talk about incivility.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 20:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
|publisher=[[Ward's Auto World]]
|url=http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3165/is_n12_v25/ai_8255861
}}</ref>, was made optional. The AWD models had a lower fuel economy: 17 miles per gallon highway versus 20-21 for rear-drive vans. Premature idler arm wear on the AWD front suspension is a common problem.{{Fact|date=June 2007}}


Hundreds of instances of front torsion bar failure in the AWD suspension were reported to the [[NHTSA]]. The torsion bars failed without warning, resulting in bottoming of the suspension. Repair required replacement of both torsion bar assemblies with upgraded designs at a cost of about $1000. No fatalities were reported.{{Fact|date=June 2007}}
It says that Portugal will recognize Kosovo in the near future, in about 2 to three weeks.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 15:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


In 1990, a new dash was introduced along with the availability of a long-wheelbase model. In 1995, the model was face lifted with an extended nose that resembled the then-new full-size Express vans. In 1996, a redesigned dash received a passenger side air-bag. The vans remained mostly unchanged until canceled in 2005.
==Kosovo article==


In 2003, GM upgraded the chassis of both the Astro and Safari with certain suspension components, larger brakes, and six-lug, 16 inch wheels from the full-size Chevrolet and GMC half-ton pickup trucks. The modifications improved{{Fact|date=June 2007}} the poor handling and braking of the vans.
look at your edit here and scroll down [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence&diff=236274852&oldid=236267396]. You did your edit wrong. I believe it is possible that Portugal may recognise within the next few weeks and that Macedonia may soon too. However how you presented it was all wrong [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 17:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


==End of the line==
How do I make the edit right?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 17:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Faced with falling sales across its vehicle lines, [[General Motors]] began closing plants and discontinuing slow-selling vehicle lines. With new federal standards for side impact and head injury reductions coming, GM determined that there was no use in expending money for a redesign of a vehicle line that was no longer selling well. Thus, the Safari and Astro were taken out of production in [[May 14]], [[2005]], and the long-serving [[Baltimore, Maryland]] assembly plant where both were built was closed. It was the only rear-wheel drive minivan which was produced for 20 model years - a longer run than its nearest rival, the [[Ford Aerostar]], which ceased production in 1997, and the only remaining rear-wheel drive minivan in the [[United States]] and [[Canada]] since the original [[Mazda MPV#1989-1998 (Rear wheel drive)|Mazda MPV]] ceased production in 1998. It was also the only [[rear-wheel drive]] [[minivan]] in the United States and Canada to spawn two generations, and also was the only rear-wheel drive minivan in the United States and Canada since the [[Volkswagen Eurovan]] ceased production in 2003. In total, the Baltimore plant produced approximately 3,700,000 Astro and Safari vans.


In the Chevrolet line, the Astro was replaced by the [[Chevrolet Uplander]] "crossover sport van", which also replaced the [[Chevrolet Venture]]. Like the Astro, the Uplander is available in cargo and passenger versions, although its front-wheel drive [[unibody]] platform makes it less suitable for heavy-duty work. GMC has replaced the Safari with their [[GMC Acadia|Acadia]] 7-passenger [[crossover SUV]] for 2007.
Can you help me?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 19:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


==Safety and Crash Testing==
:We cant make the edits just yet because we need better sources. The Portugal source is not quoting senior Portuguese politicians. The Macedonian sources are from the Opposition leader, we need sources from the coalition parties as they have the power to recognise. If you find some more sources, let me know please. So then i can make the edit [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 19:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


The [[Insurance Institute for Highway Safety]] (IIHS), which is known for its testing of vehicles and results that are often shown on [[NBC]]'s ''[[Dateline]]'' television news program, gave the Astro a "poor" rating in 1996 because of what by all appearances was a horrifying display of [[structural failure]] in the Institute's {{convert|40|mi/h|km/h|abbr=on}} [[crash test]] into a fixed, offset barrier. The underbody of the test van buckled, pitching both front seats forward and shoving the crash dummy into the dashboard and [[steering wheel]], leading the Institute to comment that "[t]he collapse of the occupant compartment left little survival space for the driver." [http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=66 See detailed crash test information, including photos illustrating the Astro's structural collapse]
[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] don't want me writing on his discussionpage only because he don't want to speak to me. What advice can you give me?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 12:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:If he doesnt want you to edit his talk page, then theres nothing I can do. Try ignoring him for a while, then when things have cooled down, try later [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 18:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


In testing performed by the [[National Highway Traffic Safety Administration]] (NHTSA), however, the Astro and Safari fared better, improving from a single-star rating in 1990 to a three-star (driver) and four-star (passenger) rating by 1999. In side impacts, the Astro and Safari both received the highest, five-star rating in every year that the test was administered.
But why do he behaves that way? Have you seen what he had written on this site?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 19:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:I am, i am myself, are you complaining about me being different?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 00:00, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


==Popularity with modifiers==
I'm complaining about your behavior. What do you mean with "being different"?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 07:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hej mos u nervozo pa nevoje. Nese ky person te ka share apo te ka fyer pergjigja me e mire eshte te sillesh sikur ai nuk ekziston. Mos e perul veten sepse e ben qe ai te ndihet me "i madh". Pershendetje.--[[User:Poltergeist1977|Poltergeist1977]] ([[User talk:Poltergeist1977|talk]]) 08:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::I thought you are an Albanian. Where are you from? Translation: "Don't get angry without any reason. If this person has offended you the best solution is to ignore him. Don't degrade yourself because you will make him feel more "important". Greetings" --[[User:Poltergeist1977|Poltergeist1977]] ([[User talk:Poltergeist1977|talk]]) 13:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


[[Image:AstroHonker.jpg|thumb|150px|Chevy Astro modified with the addition of an operable [[Train horn]] and bell.]]
Thats one way to look at it, but I like to work that out. By the way I'm not albanian.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 16:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


In addition to their popularity as conversion vans, the Astro and Safari both have popular followings with "back yard" modifiers. Modifications are both street and off-road. Some vans have the original 4.3L Vortec [[V6 engine]] replaced with a [[small-block]] [[V8 engine]], such as the [[Chevrolet_Small-Block_engine#350|Chevrolet 350 engine]]. This switch is simplified because the 4.3L V6 is based on the GM small-block V8, and most of the factory drivetrain components can be reused.
==Kosovo==
Because they are trying to propagandize the article. China, India, and Russia have made a joint statement and to leave that out would harm the article's credibility. --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 19:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:Tocino, your not one to talk--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 22:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


Because of its truck based design, the Astro also is popular with some off road and camping enthusiasts. The combination of a powerful drivetrain, large cargo and passenger space, all-wheel drive, and stock [[locking differential]] for the rear axle facilitate off road modifications. The suspension can be lifted, allowing larger tires and clearance with relatively small changes in exterior appearance.
@ [[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]]: I ask you again. What do you mean with "being different!"?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 08:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


== wanna work with me? ==
== Parodies ==


The Chevrolet Astro has been parodied as the "[[Moonbeam]]" in various [[Grand Theft Auto]] games.
if you want to eventuly work with me Max, Mein Deutsch(er?) freund, then you must LEAVE. ME. THE. HELL. ALONE. right now, understand, no editing my talk page, any of that, understand? Reply here.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 18:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


==References==
Than please tell me
{{reflist}}
1) Why do you hate me?
2) Why shouldn't I write on your discussion page?


==External links==
[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 18:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.astrosafarivans.com AstroSafariVans.com]
:sigh
*[http://www.astrosafari.com AstroSafari.com]
*1: you annoy me
*[http://www.astro-van.de Astro-Van.de]
*2: i said so,--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 18:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


{{Chevrolet Truck}}
* 1) Do you know "no personal attacks"?
* 2) Thats not a reason. There's nothing wrong I have done do you.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 18:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
::Again you dont listen
*1: "you annoy me" isnt a personal attack
*2: do not edit my talk page... im tired of undoing them. when i want to talk to you, i will let you edit my talk page. end of discussion--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 18:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


[[Category:Chevrolet vehicles|Astro]]
No, not end of discussion. You haven't told me your reasons and your behavior is just ridiciolous.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 18:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:All wheel drive vehicles]]
:Look up cody6, then you;ll understand--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 18:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Rear wheel drive vehicles]]
[[Category:Minivans]]
[[Category:1980s automobiles]]
[[Category:1990s automobiles]]
[[Category:2000s automobiles]]
[[Category:Goods manufactured in the United States]]


[[lt:Chevrolet Astro]]
There's nothing on that User-page.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 18:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
[[ja:シボレー・アストロ]]
:look at the history.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 18:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
[[pt:Chevrolet Astro]]

[[sv:Chevrolet Astro/GMC Safari]]
And.....?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 18:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


::You both need to shut up and go your separate ways. It's pretty clear you two can't work together, and you both have abused [[WP:CIVIL]] on numerous occasions, including personal attacks '''''on each others' userpages''''', which is against Wikipedia policy. Grow up, get a life, and learn to be mature. I don't want to have to tell you again. I hate seeing people fight for petty little reasons on the Internet, and this is no exception. '''''It's The Internet. Nothing Is Serious!''''' --[[User:GSK|''The One They Call GSK'']] // [[User_Talk:GSK|talk to me]] // 19:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I only like to know what he has against me. This nonsense goes that way for days. Now he should bring an explanation. What about this Userpage?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 19:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

:: He has been blocked for 48 hours for violating [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]]. If he continues to act this way when he returns, I have no doubt he'll be blocked again, and probably for a longer time period. --[[User:GSK|''The One They Call GSK'']] // [[User_Talk:GSK|talk to me]] // 20:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you know what he wanted?[[Special:Contributions/84.134.83.124|84.134.83.124]] ([[User talk:84.134.83.124|talk]]) 08:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:for you to leave me the hell alone. my god; can you not read english? JUST LEAVE ME ALONE FFS--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 22:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't even want to know the meaning of FFS but there must be a reason, a real one. What about the above mentioned Userpage? Give me real answers and I'll leave you alone. But not this unfriendly way. [[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 22:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:your not gonna get a freidnly answer if you make me havwe to keep talking to you, leave me alone, end of discussion, and you wanna know what FFS means, type it into the search, that dosnt work, urban Dictionary works fine--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 22:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

::You both need to shut up and drop it. Jakezing, you're already skating on thin ice as it is - you can't afford another screw up. Oh, and technically, Max Mux is leaving you alone, but you're not leaving him alone, trolling on his userpage constantly. Point is, '''''shake hands and go on your way...both of you.''''' --[[User:GSK|''The One They Call GSK'']] // [[User_Talk:GSK|talk to me]] // 00:23, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll try that for days now but he can't accept it. What is so important with that userpage?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 07:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

:I don't know, and quite frankly, I don't give a shit. I just reverted a change made on Jakezing's talk page by you again trying to provoke him further. '''''Just stop, or you'll be in the same situation he is.''''' Drop the entire issue now, or you won't like what's coming next. --[[User:GSK|''The One They Call GSK'']] // [[User_Talk:GSK|talk to me]] // 19:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

==Wikilinking dates==
I thought I would drop you a note about wikilinking dates. It used to be correct to wikilink just about every date in an article. The policy changed about a month ago and dates are now NOT to be wikilinked unless there are very exceptional circumstances. You have added date wikilinks to [[Jeri Ryan]] twice and I have reverted them twice. Just to let you know I am not attacking you or shadowing you....I am just correcting it to the new Wiki policy as per WP:MOS. I hope the information helps you in future edits. [[User:21stCenturyGreenstuff|21stCenturyGreenstuff]] ([[User talk:21stCenturyGreenstuff|talk]]) 18:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== OK ==

Alright. I've given you enough warnings to shut up, and go your separate ways, and to stop provoking Jakezing. I have filed an administrative report on your account for ignoring [[WP:NPA]] and harassing other users (such as Jakezing) even after being told to stop. --[[User:GSK|''The One They Call GSK'']] // [[User_Talk:GSK|talk to me]] // 20:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

He says stupid things about me leaves vague comments. I'm asking him why. He didn't answer. And now you say thats vandalism? In which world are you living?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 07:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:Listen... i'v decided i dont want you editing m talk page, and yet, you kept doing so... therfor, in my eyes, that is vandalism, and then,. even after a admin told you to stop; you didnt, therfor, it is vandalism as your disobeying a admin order. I cant make it any clearer without being insulting.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 12:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

But why don't you like me? I only like to know that.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 15:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:I dont need to answer... --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 18:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Then don't behave that way![[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 18:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

::'''''Final Warning:''''' Both of you drop this. I believe you have finished this long argument, and there should not be any further discussion. If there is, I can assure you, it won't be pretty. --([[User:GSK|GameShowKid]])--([[User_talk:GSK|talk]])--([[Special:Contributions/GSK|evidence]])-- 20:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Please don't treat me like this. I try to solve the problem with him. I want to know his problem with me but he don't tell me. You better should help me. He said vague things about a userpage but I don't know what he want. Maybe he confuses me with someone else. [[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 21:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Max, I seriously don't give a flying fuck about you, Jakezing, or your attitudes towards each other. What's done is done. What you need to do now is move on. Forget about Jake. You'll probably never see him again on Wikipedia. You've spoiled your otherwise-clean record dealing with that pompous jackass, and you don't need to do any more damage to it. So he didn't tell you why he had a problem with you. Quite frankly, I can't understand why either of you kept arguing with the other for so long. I believe that's just poor judgment, really. In any case, I don't have to help you with anything, nor will I. The only reason I stepped into this was because I was trying to stop you two from ripping each others' throats out, and that didn't do any good, since you two just kept right on. He might have confused you with someone else, but that was no reason for you to keep harassing him about it. You and him both have displayed abuse of [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]] on countless occasions. Now, please, '''''do us all a favor and go on your way.''''' --([[User:GSK|GameShowKid]])--([[User_talk:GSK|talk]])--([[Special:Contributions/GSK|evidence]])-- 23:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Sigh ==

Max, calling somebody an idiot is a violation of [[WP:NPA]], so was calling me racist.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 12:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

After I was called many bad things. Your behavior is very questionable. And were should I have called you a racist?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 20:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== October 2008 ==
[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px]] This is your '''only warning'''. <br> The next time you make a [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personal attack]]{{#if:|&#32;as you did at [[:{{{1}}}]]}}, you '''will''' be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-npa4im --> ([[User:GSK|GameShowKid]])--([[User_talk:GSK|talk]])--([[Special:Contributions/GSK|evidence]])-- 17:28, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about ?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 19:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)/Date autoformatting]] ==

Hi, I recommend you to read [[MOS:UNLINKDATES]] carefully. The linking of dates purely for the purpose of autoformatting is now [[Deprecation|deprecated]]. Thanks, [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 18:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:Dieses ist, was (MOS) über Daten sagt. Daten wikilinked nicht jetzt. Vor die Politik änderte einigen Wochen. Tut diese Hilfe? [[User:21stCenturyGreenstuff|21stCenturyGreenstuff]] ([[User talk:21stCenturyGreenstuff|talk]]) 18:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Better try english. Sorry but your german seems to be very bad.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux#top|talk]]) 21:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:Bad yes, but usually understandable. I tried to say (in German)
::"''This is what MOS says. 'Dates are not not wikilinked now'. The policy changed a few weeks ago. I hope this helps''" [[User:21stCenturyGreenstuff|21stCenturyGreenstuff]] ([[User talk:21stCenturyGreenstuff|talk]]) 21:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, you may not know that Wikipedia has a [[Wikipedia:MOS|Manual of Style]] that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Using different styles throughout the encyclopedia{{#if:Treaty of Lisbon|, as you did in [[:Treaty of Lisbon]],}} makes it harder to read. Please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Welcome|welcome page]] to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}}<!-- Template:uw-mos1 --> ''Please read carefully the Manual of Style about dates ([[WP:MOSNUM]]).'' [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

==conflict==

We do not have a conflict mate. Regards [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 22:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Sock puppet|Sockpuppetry]] case==
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You have been accused of [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|sockpuppetry]]. Please refer to [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Max Mux]] for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry/Notes for the suspect|notes for the suspect]] before editing the evidence page. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 19:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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See also Chevrolet Astra of Latin America
Chevrolet Astro
2nd-gen Chevrolet Astro cargo van
Overview
ManufacturerGeneral Motors
Also calledGMC Safari
Production1985–2005
AssemblyBaltimore Assembly in Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Body and chassis
ClassMinivan
Body style3-door van
LayoutFront engine, rear-wheel drive / Four-wheel drive
PlatformM-body
Powertrain
Transmission4-speed automatic
First generation
Chevrolet Astro
Overview
Production1985–1994
Powertrain
Engine2.5L Tech IV 98 hp (73 kW)I4
4.3L 4300 165 hp (123 kW) V6
4.3L 4300 200 hp (150 kW) V6
Dimensions
WheelbaseTemplate:Auto in
LengthSWB: Template:Auto in
LWB: Template:Auto in
1992-94 Astro Cargo Van SWB: Template:Auto in
1992-94 Astro Cargo Van LWB: Template:Auto in
WidthTemplate:Auto in
1992-94 Safari & Astro Cargo Van: Template:Auto in
Height1985-89: Template:Auto in
1985-89 Cargo Van SWB: Template:Auto in
1990-91 SWB: Template:Auto in
1990-91 SWB: Template:Auto in
1992-94 Astro: Template:Auto in
1992-94 Safari Cargo Van: Template:Auto in
1992-94 Safari SLX: Template:Auto in
1992-94 Safari 2WD LWB: Template:Auto in
1992-94 Safari Cargo Van AWD SWB: Template:Auto in
1992-94 Safari Cargo Van AWD LWB: Template:Auto in
Second generation
Second generation Chevrolet Astro
Overview
Production1995–2005
Powertrain
Engine4.3 L 190 hp (140 kW) V6
Dimensions
Wheelbase1995-96: Template:Auto in
1997-2005: Template:Auto in
LengthTemplate:Auto in
WidthTemplate:Auto in
Height1995-96 Astro: Template:Auto in
1997-98 Astro: Template:Auto in
1995-96 Safari: Template:Auto in
1997-98/2002-03 Safari Cargo Van & 1999-2001 Astro Cargo Van 2WD: Template:Auto in
1997-2005 Safari & 2002-05 Astro: Template:Auto in
1999-2001 Astro 2WD: Template:Auto in
1999-2001 Astro Cargo Van AWD: Template:Auto in
1999-2001 Astro AWD: Template:Auto in
1st-gen GMC Safari
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1997 GMC Safari

The Chevrolet Astro was a rear-wheel drive minivan introduced by Chevrolet in 1985 to rival domestic (American) competitors the Dodge Caravan/Plymouth Voyager twins and the Japanese Toyota Van. Also sharing the Astro's truck-based platform was its sibling, the GMC Safari. In addition to standard passenger uses, the vans were also available as cargo vans, and converters used them as the basis for small conversion vans.

Both Pontiac and GMC have used the Safari nameplate (GMC is part of the Pontiac/GMC division); Pontiac used the nameplate on several of its station wagon models from 1955 through 1989. The two Safaris, both Pontiac and GMC, were on the market together (often sold by the same dealerships) from 1985 through 1989.

The Astro model name had been used previously for the unrelated Chevrolet Astro 1 Concept car, first shown at the New York Autoshow of 1967.[1]

While the Astro was referred to as a minivan, it was sized between the Chevrolet Venture/Lumina APV unibody minivan and the full-size Chevy Van/Express. Similar to the Ford Aerostar, it was based on a traditional truck frame.

Due to their truck-based platform, the Astro and Safari could pull 5,500 lb (2,500 kg) with proper equipment. AWD models could tow up to 5,000 lb (2,300 kg) when properly equipped. This is opposed to car-based, front-wheel drive minivans; most of which are limited to a 3,500 pound towing capacity. [citation needed]

Initial advertising boasted that it was a vehicle that will "make you realize that life is too big for a minivan", referring to the Chrysler minivans.

Engines options ranged from 145 to 190 hp (108 to 142 kW) V6 engine, depending on options and/or model year.

The van seated up to 8 passengers.

In addition to being sold in North America, the Chevrolet Astro was exported to Japan, where the van enjoys a cult following. In 2005, to celebrate the last year of Astro production, Chevrolet of Japan offered a limited edition run of the final production models. The Astro's popularity in Japan comes even though it was only offered in left-hand drive.

Chassis features

Much like the second-generation GM F-body and X-body vehicles, the GM M-van (Astro/Safari) had a bolt-on subframe incorporating the front suspension from a GM B-body station wagon (Chevrolet Caprice, Cadillac Brougham) with a leaf-spring rear suspension. The lower ball joints were larger than their B-body counterparts (similar to 1977-96 Cadillac D platform vehicles e.g. Fleetwood limousines). These ball joints were later used in the final Chevrolet Caprice 9C1 (police package) cars manufactured in 1995 and 1996. They also shared many mechanical similarities to the GMT 325/330 midsize S/T Pickup/Utilities.

As mentioned above, the Astro and Safari were rear-wheel drive vehicles, but in 1990 a new all-wheel drive (AWD) system, designed and developed by FF Developments (FFD)[2], was made optional. The AWD models had a lower fuel economy: 17 miles per gallon highway versus 20-21 for rear-drive vans. Premature idler arm wear on the AWD front suspension is a common problem.[citation needed]

Hundreds of instances of front torsion bar failure in the AWD suspension were reported to the NHTSA. The torsion bars failed without warning, resulting in bottoming of the suspension. Repair required replacement of both torsion bar assemblies with upgraded designs at a cost of about $1000. No fatalities were reported.[citation needed]

In 1990, a new dash was introduced along with the availability of a long-wheelbase model. In 1995, the model was face lifted with an extended nose that resembled the then-new full-size Express vans. In 1996, a redesigned dash received a passenger side air-bag. The vans remained mostly unchanged until canceled in 2005.

In 2003, GM upgraded the chassis of both the Astro and Safari with certain suspension components, larger brakes, and six-lug, 16 inch wheels from the full-size Chevrolet and GMC half-ton pickup trucks. The modifications improved[citation needed] the poor handling and braking of the vans.

End of the line

Faced with falling sales across its vehicle lines, General Motors began closing plants and discontinuing slow-selling vehicle lines. With new federal standards for side impact and head injury reductions coming, GM determined that there was no use in expending money for a redesign of a vehicle line that was no longer selling well. Thus, the Safari and Astro were taken out of production in May 14, 2005, and the long-serving Baltimore, Maryland assembly plant where both were built was closed. It was the only rear-wheel drive minivan which was produced for 20 model years - a longer run than its nearest rival, the Ford Aerostar, which ceased production in 1997, and the only remaining rear-wheel drive minivan in the United States and Canada since the original Mazda MPV ceased production in 1998. It was also the only rear-wheel drive minivan in the United States and Canada to spawn two generations, and also was the only rear-wheel drive minivan in the United States and Canada since the Volkswagen Eurovan ceased production in 2003. In total, the Baltimore plant produced approximately 3,700,000 Astro and Safari vans.

In the Chevrolet line, the Astro was replaced by the Chevrolet Uplander "crossover sport van", which also replaced the Chevrolet Venture. Like the Astro, the Uplander is available in cargo and passenger versions, although its front-wheel drive unibody platform makes it less suitable for heavy-duty work. GMC has replaced the Safari with their Acadia 7-passenger crossover SUV for 2007.

Safety and Crash Testing

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), which is known for its testing of vehicles and results that are often shown on NBC's Dateline television news program, gave the Astro a "poor" rating in 1996 because of what by all appearances was a horrifying display of structural failure in the Institute's 40 mph (64 km/h) crash test into a fixed, offset barrier. The underbody of the test van buckled, pitching both front seats forward and shoving the crash dummy into the dashboard and steering wheel, leading the Institute to comment that "[t]he collapse of the occupant compartment left little survival space for the driver." See detailed crash test information, including photos illustrating the Astro's structural collapse

In testing performed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), however, the Astro and Safari fared better, improving from a single-star rating in 1990 to a three-star (driver) and four-star (passenger) rating by 1999. In side impacts, the Astro and Safari both received the highest, five-star rating in every year that the test was administered.

Popularity with modifiers

Chevy Astro modified with the addition of an operable Train horn and bell.

In addition to their popularity as conversion vans, the Astro and Safari both have popular followings with "back yard" modifiers. Modifications are both street and off-road. Some vans have the original 4.3L Vortec V6 engine replaced with a small-block V8 engine, such as the Chevrolet 350 engine. This switch is simplified because the 4.3L V6 is based on the GM small-block V8, and most of the factory drivetrain components can be reused.

Because of its truck based design, the Astro also is popular with some off road and camping enthusiasts. The combination of a powerful drivetrain, large cargo and passenger space, all-wheel drive, and stock locking differential for the rear axle facilitate off road modifications. The suspension can be lifted, allowing larger tires and clearance with relatively small changes in exterior appearance.

Parodies

The Chevrolet Astro has been parodied as the "Moonbeam" in various Grand Theft Auto games.

References

  1. ^ Chevrolet Astro I Concept car at www.ultimatecarpage.com Retrieved on 24/7/08
  2. ^ "No giant here - FF Developments Ltd - company profile". Ward's Auto World. Dec 1999.

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