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'''Joseph-Marie, [[Count|Comte]] de Maistre''' (1 April 1753- 26 February 1821) was a [[French language|French-speaking]] [[Savoy]]ard lawyer, diplomat, writer, and philosopher. He was one of the most influential spokesmen for a counter-revolutionary and [[authoritarian]] [[conservatism]] in the period immediately following the [[French Revolution]] of 1789. Despite his close personal and intellectual ties to [[France]], de Maistre remained throughout his life a subject of the [[Kingdom of Sardinia|King of Sardinia]], whom he served as member of the Savoy Senate (1787-1792), [[ambassador]] to [[Russia]] (1803-1817), and minister of state to the court in [[Turin]] (1817-1821).
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De Maistre argued for the restoration of hereditary [[monarchy]], which he regarded as a [[Divine Right of Kings|divinely sanctioned institution]], and for the indirect authority of the [[Pope]] over temporal matters. According to de Maistre, only governments founded on the Christian constitution, implicit in the customs and institutions of all European societies but especially in that of [[Roman Catholic Church|Catholic]] [[Europe]]an monarchies, could avoid the disorder and bloodletting that followed the implementation of [[rationalism|rationalist]] political programs, such as that of the 1789 revolution. An enthusiastic believer in the principle of established [[authority]], which the Revolution sought to destroy, de Maistre defended it everywhere: in the [[State]] by extolling the monarchy, in the Church by exalting the privileges of the papacy, and in the world by glorifying [[Divine Providence|God's providence]].
{{User|JPG-GR}} - Every time that I decide to take a look at [[:CAT:AB|the admin backlog]], one of the most consistent areas where help is sorely, sorely needed is [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]. So I've looked at it for a little while now, and since I'm not that great at move issues I generally don't do it myself, and presumably others are in the same boat? So who's doing the moves? Well, a non-admin is doing those where admin intervention is not needed, and is basically a staple of the RM page. That person is JPG-GR. With over '''5000''' page moves done, he is clearly an asset to his area of specialty. His 2000+ edits to the RM page have to be either the most or nearly the most out of all Wikipedia users, which shows his dedication. Obviously, he would be a great help to handling that move backlog, and making sure those are taken care of.
His edits are, of course, more than just that. His specialty in article writing and discussion is radio stations, as seen by his frequent discussions at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations]]. Examples of his work include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_radio_stations_in_Michigan&diff=225248691&oldid=220892382] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anna_Popplewell&diff=221077958&oldid=221058150], which isn't a major edit but shows that he clearly understands policy. He also does some vandalism reversion as well. All in all, since he would be a specialist contributor as an administrator, and he shows that he would clearly be dedicated to that area, he would make a good admin. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#060">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] 04:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


==Biography==
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[[Image:SardiniePiemont.jpg|thumb|right|An 1856 map of the [[Kingdom of Sardinia]], with the [[Duchy of Savoy]] ''in yellow'' on top left. De Maistre was born in the Duchy in 1753.]]
De Maistre was born at [[Chambéry]], in the [[Duchy of Savoy]], which at the time belonged to the [[Kingdom of Sardinia]]. His family was of [[France|French]] origin and had settled in Savoy a century earlier, eventually attaining a high position and [[aristocracy|aristocratic rank]]. His father had served as president of the Savoy Senate and his younger brother, [[Xavier de Maistre]], would later become a military officer and a popular writer of fiction.


Joseph was probably educated by the [[Society of Jesus|Jesuits]].<ref>{{web cite|url=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09554a.htm|title=Joseph-Marie, Comte de Maistre|work=[[Catholic Encyclopedia]]}}</ref> After the Revolution, he became an ardent defender of their Order as he came increasingly to associate the spirit of the Revolution with the spirit of the Jesuits' traditional enemies, the [[Jansenism|Jansenists]]. After completing his training in the law at the [[University of Turin]] in 1774, he followed in his father's footsteps by becoming a Senator in 1787.
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De Maistre, a member of the progressive [[Scottish Rite]] [[Freemasonry|Masonic]] lodge at Chambéry from 1774 to 1790, was initially sympathetic to reform movements in France and supported the efforts of the magistrates in the [[Parlement]]s to force King [[Louis XVI of France|Louis XVI]] to call the [[French States-General|States-General]]. As a landowner in France, de Maistre might have been eligible to join that body, and there is some evidence that he contemplated that possibility.<ref>[http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/history/links/maistre/maistrebio.html A Brief Biography of Joseph de Maistre], U. of Manitoba</ref> He was alarmed, however, by the decision of the States-General to join the three orders of [[clergy]], [[aristocracy]], and [[commoner]]s into the single legislative body that became the [[National Constituent Assembly]], and he turned strongly against the course of events in France after the revolutionary legislation of 4 August 1789 was passed (see [[August Decrees]]).
====Questions for the candidate====
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
:'''1.''' What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
::'''A:''' As [[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] indicated, I spend a lot of time working on move proposals at [[Wikipedia:Requested Moves]] and intend to continue doing so. Thanks to my use of {{tl|db-move}}, I am well aware that the backlog at [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]] can sometimes get out of control and I'd be glad to help out there. As for the other staple areas admins work ([[WP:XFD]] comes to mind first and foremost, naturally), I have a help-where-needed attitude. I don't have any intention of jumping full force into any particular area or areas that I don't already spend time in without first spending plenty of time "feeling" my way around.


De Maistre was the only native Senator who fled Savoy after a French revolutionary army invaded the region in 1792. He briefly returned to Chambéry the following year but eventually decided that he could not support the French-controlled regime and departed for [[Switzerland]], where he visited the salon of [[Germaine de Staël]] and discussed politics and theology with her. De Maistre then began his career as a counterrevolutionary writer with works such as ''Lettres d'un royaliste savoisien'' ("Letters from a Savoyard Royalist," 1793), ''Discours à Mme. la marquise Costa de Beauregard, sur la vie et la mort de son fils'' ("Discourse to the Marchioness Costa de Beauregard, on the Life and Death of her Son," 1794) and ''Cinq paradoxes à la Marquise de Nav...'' ("Five Paradoxes for the Marchioness of Nav...," 1795).
:'''2.''' What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
::'''A:''' I helped spearhead the initiative to clean up the mess that were the United States radio lists (articles of the type [[List of radio stations in STATE]]) by working to coordinate the best format for said lists and then creating/fixing/updating them with info from the FCC database. A large portion of my content-related edits are to those lists and to the greater [[WP:WPRS]]-related framework. In general, I am much more "maintenance"-intensive than "content"-intensive (which should be clear from my work at WP:RM). I can't boast of any FAs written or impressive DYK counts. I account that to being much more of a math/science guy vs. a literature/arts guy.


In 1803 de Maistre was appointed as the King of Sardinia's diplomatic envoy to the court of [[Russia]]'s [[Tsar]], [[Alexander I of Russia|Alexander I]] in [[Saint Petersburg]]. From 1817 until his death, he served in [[Turin]] as a [[magistrate]] and minister of state for the Kingdom of Sardinia.
:'''3.''' Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
::'''A:''' I fear that if an admin knows me and it's not for something WP:RM-related, it's probably something [[User:Neutralhomer]]-related. We had a period late last year where we were both working toward the betterment of WP:WPRS but with slightly different perspectives. We butted heads more than once and both suffered from the need to have the last word. I pride myself that during all that chaos, while the CAPSLOCK may have been selected here or there, I never crosses the policy line. NH and I have since made peace. In general, I definitely have a "walk-away when angered" position now and find it's better to say nothing at all rather than to let the verbal venom fly.


==Political and moral philosophy==
; Optional [[User:Jc37/RfA/General questions|questions]] from [[User:Jc37|jc37]]
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In ''Considerations sur la France'' ("Considerations on France," 1796), <ref>[http://maistre.ath.cx:8000//considerations_on_france.html Considerations on France], De Maistre</ref> De Maistre maintained that France had a [[God|divine]] mission as the principal instrument of [[Goodness and value theory|good]] and of [[evil]] on [[earth]]. De Maistre considered the Revolution of 1789 as a [[Divine Providence|Providential]] occurrence: the monarchy, the [[aristocracy]], and the whole of the [[ancien régime|old French society]], instead of using the powerful influence of French civilization to benefit mankind, had instead promoted the destructive [[atheism|atheistic]] doctrines of the [[The Enlightenment|eighteenth-century philosophers]]. The crimes of the [[Reign of Terror]] were at once the apotheosis and logical consequence of the destructive spirit of the eighteenth century, as well as the divinely decreed punishment for it.
:*'''4.''' Please describe/summarise why and when it would be appropriate for:
::*'''4a.''' ...an editor to be [[WP:BLOCK|blocked]]?
:::*'''A:''' If said editor is in violation of Wikipedia policies. Personal attacks, violations of [[WP:BLP]], continued vandalism after warnings, etc.


His short book ''Essai sur le principe générateur des constitutions politiques et des autres institutions humaines'' ("Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions," 1809),<ref>[http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/history/links/maistre/generative_Principle.html Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions]</ref> centres on the idea that [[constitution]]s are not the artificial products of study but come in due time and under suitable circumstances from God, who slowly brings them to maturity in silence. After the appearance in 1816 of his French translation of [[Plutarch]]'s treatise ''On the Delay of Divine Justice in the Punishment of the Guilty'', de Maistre published in 1819 his masterpiece ''Du Pape'' ("On the Pope"). The work is divided into four parts. In the first he argues that, in the [[Roman Catholicism|Church]], the [[pope]] is [[sovereignty|sovereign]], and that it is an essential characteristic of all sovereign power that its decisions should be subject to no appeal. Consequently, the pope is [[Papal infallibility|infallible]] in his teaching, since it is by his teaching that he exercises his sovereignty. In the remaining divisions the author examines the relations of the pope and the temporal powers, civilization and the welfare of nations, and the [[schism (religion)|schismatic]] Churches. He argues that nations require protection against abuses of power by a sovereignty superior to all others, and that this sovereignty should be that of the papacy, the historical saviour and maker of European civilization. As to the schismatic Churches, de Maistre believed that they would, with time, return to the arms of the papacy because "no religion can resist science, except one."
::*'''4b.''' ...a page to be [[WP:PROTECT|protected]]?
:::*'''A:''' If said page is currently the victim of an edit war, IP vandalism from multiple IPs, etc.


Besides a voluminous correspondence, de Maistre left two posthumous works. One of these, ''L'examen de la philosophie de Bacon'', ("An Examination of the Philosophy of Bacon," 1836), develops a spiritualist epistemology out of a critique of [[Francis Bacon]], whom de Maistre considers as a fountainhead of [[the Enlightenment]] in its most destructive form. The ''Soirées de St. Pétersbourg'' ("The Saint Petersburg Dialogues", 1821) <ref>[http://maistre.ath.cx:8000/st_petersburg.html The Saint Petersburg Dialogues]</ref> is a [[theodicy]] in the form of a [[Platonic dialogue]], in which de Maistre proposes his own solution to the age-old problem of the existence of evil. For him, the existence of evil throws light on the designs of God, for the [[morality|moral]] world and the physical world are interrelated. Physical evil is the necessary corollary of moral evil, which humanity expiates and minimizes through prayer and sacrifice. The shedding of blood, the expiation of the sins of the guilty by the innocent is for de Maistre a law as mysterious as it is indubitable, the principle that propels humanity in its return to God and the explanation for the existence and the perpetuity of [[war]].
::*'''4c.''' ...a page to be [[WP:CSD|speedily deleted]]?
==Quotes==
:::*'''A:''' If one or more of the criteria at [[WP:SPEEDY]] apply to said article. Be it something as complicated as a good looking though confirmed hoax or as simple as an article which has "uze guyz sux" as it's sole content.
* I don't know what a scoundrel is like, but I know what a respectable man is like, and it's enough to make one's flesh creep.
* If occasionally superstition believes in belief, as it is accused of, more often still, you can be sure, pride believes in disbelief.
* False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing.
* If there was no moral evil upon earth, there would be no physical evil.
* In the works of man, everything is as poor as its author; vision is confined, means are limited, scope is restricted, movements are labored, and results are humdrum.
* Man is insatiable for power; he is infantile in his desires and, always discontented with what he has, loves only what he has not.
* Wherever an altar is found, there civilization exists.


==Influence and repute==
::*'''4d.''' ...the policy to [[WP:IAR|ignore all rules]] to be applied to a situation?
De Maistre can be counted, with the [[Anglo-Irish]] statesman [[Edmund Burke]], as one of the fathers of European [[conservatism]]. Since the 19th century, however, the providentialist, authoritarian, "throne and altar" strand of conservatism that he represented has greatly declined in political influence when compared to the more pragmatic and adaptable conservatism of Burke. De Maistre's stylistic and rhetorical brilliance, on the other hand, have made him enduringly popular as a writer and controversialist. The ''Catholic Encyclopedia'' of 1910 describes de Maistre's style as "strong, lively, picturesque," and adds, "animation and good humour temper his dogmatic tone. He possesses a wonderful facility in exposition, precision of doctrine, breadth of learning, and [[dialectic]]al power." The great liberal poet [[Alphonse de Lamartine]], though a political enemy, could not but admire the lively splendour of de Maistre's prose:
:::*'''A:''' Succinctly, if a policy prevents the maintaining or improvement of the encyclopedia. I can't cite a particular example - though if there were a common example, there would probably then (logically) be an associated rule, and then we would have a paradox.


:That brief, nervous, lucid style, stripped of phrases, robust of limb, did not at all recall the softness of the eighteenth century, nor the declamations of the latest French books: it was born and steeped in the breath of the Alps; it was virgin, it was young, it was harsh and savage; it had no human respect, it felt its solitude; it improvised depth and form all at once… That man was new among the ''enfants du siècle.''
:*'''5.''' How does one determine [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]? And how may it be determined differently on a [[WP:TALK|talk page]] discussion, an [[WP:XFD|XfD]] discussion, and a [[WP:DRV|DRV]] discussion.
::*'''A:''' Sometimes the only thing more difficult than defining "consensus" is coming to a consensus. Article-wise, it's a combination of the actual editing and the content-related discussion on the talkpage. (I've always been a fan of [[:Image:CCC Flowchart 6.jpg]], despite it's less than descriptive name.) With the deletion-related discussion, there is obviously much more discussion. In those cases, the presence of a consensus is determined by input from both the involved parties and some uninvolved editors and weighing the strength of the arguments. It's debate class on a worldwide scale.


De Maistre's critique of the Enlightenment, especially its [[Rationalism]], have long made him an attractive [[Counterculture|countercultural]] figure. For example, the [[Decadent movement|Decadent poet]] [[Charles Baudelaire]] claimed that de Maistre had taught him "how to think" and declared himself a disciple of the Savoyard counterrevolutionary.
:*'''6.''' User:JohnQ leaves a message on your talk page that User:JohnDoe and User:JaneRoe have been reverting an article back and forth, each to their own preferred version. What steps would you take?
::*'''A:''' Firstly, my natural curiosity would cause me to question why an editor has returned after [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JohnQ not making an edit in over five years]. All kidding aside, it would depend on the particular situation. If either editor has broken the [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]], a short block for the offender(s) may be in order. If more editors have joined in, full page projection might be necessary temporarily. Either way, I would inform the involved editors on their talkpage that they would be best to take their [[seesaw]] battle to the article talk page to discuss the situation (and gather additional input) as back-and-forth reverting is more a game of [[tug of war]] than anything else.


[[Isaiah Berlin]] counts him, in his ''Freedom and Its Betrayal'', as one of the six principal enemies of liberty amongst major Enlightenment advocates. He maintains that Maistre's works were regarded as "the last despairing effort of feudalism in the Dark Ages to resist the march of progress". His lecture ''Two Enemies of the Enlightenment'', offers Berlin's psychological profile of Maistre and his philosophy summarizing him as an angry man. However, Isaiah Berlin in his essay ''The Hedgehog and the Fox'' regards Maistre as the major influence behind Tolstoy's entire philosophy of history in ''War and Peace''.
:*'''7.''' Why do you wish to be an administrator?
::*'''A:''' "Wish" is almost too strong of a word. For instance, I ''wish'' that I'd win the lottery (probably would have to play first...). Basically, I've had a small handful of people comment in the last couple of months that I would make a good admin. I believe in the Wikipedia project and am willing to dedicate a portion of my free time to its benefit. If having a few extra tools would do that, as I believe it can, then I'm for it. If the community disagrees, sobeit. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 06:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


[[Émile Faguet]], whom Berlin thinks the most accurate and fairest-minded critic of Maistre in the 19th century, described Maistre as "a fierce absolutist, a furious theocrat, an intransigent legitimist, apostle of a monstrous trinity composed of Pope, King and Hangman, always and everywhere the champion of the hardest, narrowest and most inflexible dogmatism, a dark figure out of the Middle Ages, part learned doctor, part inquisitor, part executioner"
;Optional question from [[User:Blooded Edge|Blooded Edge]]
:'''8:''': As an administrator, you will most probably come across rash users/IPs, who will not take kindly to reversions by yourself, for whatever the reason. Indeed, you may already have been in such situations before. I want to know what exactly your personal stance is on the ''cool down'' block. Wikipedia generally discourages admins from taking this course of action, due to the belief it only inflames the situation. However, there is still the small chance that the subject will indeed take the oppurtunity to review his/her actions, and may change his/her way of acting to something more appropriate. Assuming that Wikipedia had no clear policy on this, would you use such a block? Or wait until the IP/User simply becomes too irksome to ignore?
::If the policy says that cool down blocks "should ''not'' be used" (and it does), then that is the policy I will follow. If Wikipedia had no such policy, I would act as those before me have (i.e. if cool down blocks were a common and accepted thing, fine). Wikipedia is not a young project and I don't intend to stray into any undiscovered/unexplored areas of policy, etc.


Generally, Enlightenment advocates loathe Maistre's position on the place of revolution in the history of nations and his complete distrust of man, but they are equally in awe of his style and intellectual prowess. They portray Maistre as a fanatical monarchist and a still more fanatical supporter of papal authority -- strong-willed and inflexible, and in possession of potent but rigid powers of reasoning, brilliant but embittered.
:'''9.''':This isn't really to do with your work on Wikipedia, but is important if you indeed gain the requested status. Is your password alphanumeric? Formed by at least 8 characters? Not by words in the dictionary? Not in the [http://geodsoft.com/howto/password/common.htm weakest password list]? A hiijacked admin account can do widespread damage across the site, it is important to confirm the security of your account.
::My password is secure. Saying anything more specific wouldn't be very smart.


===American conservatism===
;Question from How do you turn this on
De Maistre influence is controversial among [[Conservatism in the United States|American conservatives]]. Contemporary conservative commentator [[Pat Buchanan]] praises de Maistre, calling him a "great conservative" in his 2006 book ''State of Emergency''. Along with [[paleoconservative]] theorist [[Samuel Francis]], Buchanan considers de Maistre an early intellectual precursor on issues of [[nationalism]] and [[universalism]]<ref>''State of Emergency'', p.146</ref>. When [[neoconservative]] writer [[Jonah Goldberg]] attacked de Maistre in one column for disagreeing with the notion that "humanity is universal" and for suggesting that "transcending one's particular identity was impossible,"<ref>[http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment072600d.html Through the Melting Pot], Jonah Goldberg</ref> [[Paul Gottfried]] questioned Goldberg's credentials as a conservative and his knowledge of de Maistre. Gottfried considers Joseph de Maistre a "formidable literary and intellectual figure" and calls Goldberg's attempt to link him to modern day African-American identity politics "thoroughly dishonest and/or abysmally stupid."<ref>[http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/goldberg_de_maistre.htm Goldbergism vs. Buchanan], Paul Gottfried</ref> Gottfried also writes:


:What Goldberg is really pushing is a form of leftist imperialism reaching back to [[Robespierre]] and [[Jacobin]] France. Goldberg has dusted off the platform of the French revolutionary Left and misnamed it conservatism, while taking a once renowned conservative, Maistre, and assigning him to a neocon version of eternal perdition. It might be properly asked why anyone would mistake the bearers of this view for certified conservatives.<ref>Paul Gottfried, [http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/first_universal_goldberg.htm The First Universal Goldberg?]</ref>
:'''10.''' What made you decide to run now, instead of when [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JPG-GR/Archive_7#Hello I asked you] if you would?
::IIRC, you were either the first or second to bring it up. As more people suggested it, I considered it more and more.


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====Discussion====
==References==
* Ghervas, Stella. ''Réinventer la tradition. Alexandre Stourdza et l'Europe de la Sainte-Alliance.'' Paris, Honoré Champion, 2008. ISBN 978-2-7453-1669-1
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==External links==
*Any chance that you (JPG) are likely to enable e-mail? Not a deal breaker, so not a question for the above section. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 07:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* [http://maistre.ath.cx:8000 Some writings of de Maistre in English translation]
**I have now enabled email. As a regular editor, there was (I felt) no need for anyone to contact me in private that couldn't just as easily occur on a talkpage. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 16:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* [http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/history/links/maistre/maistre.html The Joseph de Maistre Homepage]
* [http://berlin.wolf.ox.ac.uk/lists/nachlass/maistre.pdf "Two Enemies of the Enlightenment" The Isaiah Berlin Virtual Library]


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=====Support=====
[[Category:19th century French writers]]
#'''Beat-the-nom support'''; specialist admins are okay, and this candidate has no warning bells attached. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]</sup> 04:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Conservatives]]
#'''Absolutely''' Go help that backlog at WP:RM. good candidate. [[User:Protonk|Protonk]] ([[User talk:Protonk|talk]]) 04:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:French counter-revolutionaries]]
#'''Support'''. Definitely. —[[User:Wknight94|Wknight94]] ([[User talk:Wknight94|talk]]) 04:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Italian writers in French]]
#'''Support'''. I've seen this editor in action over at [[WP:RM]] and I respect his work. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 04:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:People from the Kingdom of Sardinia]]
#'''Support'''. No problems here. [[User:Tanthalas39|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">'''Tan'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:Tanthalas39|<font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39</font>]] 05:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:People from Savoy]]
#'''Support''' - Specialist candidate. [[User:Wisdom89|'''<font color="#660000">Wisdom89</font>''']] <sub>([[User_talk:Wisdom89|<small><sub><font color="#17001E">T</font></sub></small>]] / [[Special:Contributions/Wisdom89|<small><sup><font color="#17001E">C</font></sup></small>]])</sub> 05:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:People from Turin (city)]]
#'''Support''', Most Definitely. [[User:RockManQ|<font color=#808080>'''RockManQ'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:RockManQ|(talk)]]</sup> 05:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Roman Catholic philosophers]]
# '''Support'''. I see no problems. [[User:DiverseMentality|<font color="E9580C">'''DiverseMentality'''</font>]][[User_talk:DiverseMentality|<font color="262525"><sup>(Boo!)</sup></font>]] 05:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Roman Catholic writers]]
# '''Strong support''' - I run across this user frequently via his G6 tagging for requested page moves and have always found his work to be accurate, clueful and per consensus. [[WP:RM]] and Wikipedia in general can only benefit from JPG-GR getting the bit. [[User:Nancy|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;color:#FF6600;font-size:14px">Nancy</span>]][[User talk:Nancy|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;font-size:14px"><sup> talk</sup></span>]] 05:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
# '''Support''' No reason to oppose really, although the issue bought up by Aude is somewhat concerning I don't really find it too concerning to the point where there's evidence that the candidate will abuse the tools, which is what I do care about when considering RfA candidates. We all have our learning experience and I think the user will learn from it. [[User:Yamamoto Ichiro|Yamamoto Ichiro]] ([[User talk:Yamamoto Ichiro|talk]]) 06:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
# '''Support''' Already knows how to handle the backlog, why don't we give JPG-GR the tools to help out more? per my [[User:Foxy Loxy/RfA criteria|RfA criteria]] [[User:Foxy Loxy|<span style="color:#CC6600;">Foxy</span> <span style="color:#993300;">Loxy</span>]] [[User talk:Foxy Loxy|<sup><span style="color:#CC3333;">Pounce!</span></sup>]] 07:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
# '''Support''' - While not perfect (who or what is?), I liked a fair part of your answers, and my quick look over your edit history didn't ring any alarm bells. And from what I can tell you have a fairly good handle on consensus. We simply need more admins who understand that it's about weighing arguments, and not about counting "votes". - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 08:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
# '''Support'''. A fine candidate. [[User:Axl|<font color="#808000">'''Axl'''</font>]] <font color="#3CB371">¤</font> <small>[[User talk:Axl|<font color="#6B8E23">[Talk]</font>]]</small> 08:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
# '''Support''' Clearly a specialist in a sorely under "staffed" area that we urgently need to grant the bit to. Also the answer to Q7 was particularly pleasing - an excellent attitude / outlook. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 08:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Yes, we need more page movers, always more people moving pages, the faster the better </sarcasm> '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 08:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' - We need more admins in this area, but I'd like to see email enabled. <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>&mdash; [[User:Neurolysis|neuro]]</b><sup><i>[[User talk:Neurolysis|(talk)]]</i></sup></font> 08:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Looks like a fine hard-working candidate willing to take on tedious duties. I read the opposition by Aude, and while I can understand the annoyance, it is mostly a result of someone trying to work efficiently, not a lapse in judgment. [[User:Sjakkalle|Sjakkalle]] [[User talk:Sjakkalle|<small>(Check!)</small>]] 09:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#Excellent moving work. &mdash;'''[[User:Ceranthor|<font color="#000000">Ceran</font >]]''' [[User_talk:Ceranthor|<font color="#000000">[speak]</font>]] 11:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Looks good from what I can see and I think specialist candidates are fine. After all, we are all specialists in some area of admin work that we take part in and that is no bad thing. He does what he knows best to do and I am more than happy to support him to continue doing it - just a bit more effective. And as for the oppose, well, the candidate said he would learn from it. That's good enough for me. Also, I like the answer of Q7, admins need a bit of humor ;-) '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #1F3F53">Why</span>]]''' 11:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Strong support''' - I assumed he already was one, he behaves professionally and manages janitorial tasks few want to bother with. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 11:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' net positive. Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#''' Support''' Great track has been around since Aug 2006 and over 19000 mainspace edits with over 40000 overall.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 11:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. Good track record as Pharoah says above; help always needed at RM. In response to the email 'situation', I agree - even if it means setting up a separate email address for the wiki (as I have done) it shouldn't be a problem. [[User talk:Caulde|<span style="color:#8B0000;font-weight:bold">Caulde</span>]] 12:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
# What Sjakalle and Orderinchaos said. [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 12:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' great amount of experience, I also like how he didn't jump immediately into an RfA when first approached. --[[User:Banime|Banime]] ([[User talk:Banime|talk]]) 13:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Seems good to me [[User:II MusLiM HyBRiD II |<span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:white;background:blue'>II MusLiM </span><span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:yellow;background:black'>HyBRiD II </span>]] 13:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' i like the idea of specialist administrators and this one should be good at what he sets out to do.[[User:Mjchesnel|Mjchesnel]] ([[User talk:Mjchesnel|talk]]) 13:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Wizardman nominated; 'nuff said. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 14:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''', why not. But please enable email :) [[User:Garden|<font color=#000066>'''Garden'''</font>]]. 14:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' Why not? [[User:America69|America69]] ([[User talk:America69|talk]]) 14:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support'''. An excellent all-around contribution record, both in mainspace and projectspace, good answers to the questions, good judgement and attitude. Will definitely be an asset as an admin. [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 15:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
#'''Support''' as nom. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#060">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] 15:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


[[cs:Joseph de Maistre]]
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# '''Oppose''' - I am concerned about how JPG-GR handles the [[WP:RM|requested moves]] page. On September 23, I added a move request tag [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Islamic_terrorism&diff=prev&oldid=240380639] to the talk page of the [[Islamic terrorism]] article. JPG-GR came by 18 minutes later and removed the tag from the talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Islamic_terrorism&diff=next&oldid=240380639], with the edit summary "rm move request template - page not listed at WP:RM", because I hadn't yet added it to the requested moves page. Clearly a requested move was intended by my adding the tag, and removing it was impolite. I'm sure it was unintended, but JPG-GR also blanked most of the page along with removing the tag. Instead, the thing to do would be to add my request to the [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] or leave a note on my talk page, or be patient. Please remember that [[Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_bureaucracy|Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy]] and don't trounce on other users for procedural mistakes or not following the three requested move steps quick enough. Such actions only frustrate other users and have the potential to drive away contributors. Removing the requested move tag from the article talk page was enough of a problem, but easily reverted. Although admin actions are mostly reversable, more damage can be done. Speedy deletions, which JPG-GR appears interested in handling, is one area where being too quick and focused on process, can be a problem (see [[Frog Legs Rag]] which was subject of a recent [[Wikipedia:NotTheWikipediaWeekly/Episode_34|Not the Wikipedia Weekly]] episode). I don't like opposing anyone at RFA, but given my experience, I'm not ready to trust JPG-GR with the admin tools. --[[User:Aude|Aude]] <small>([[User talk:Aude|talk]])</small> 04:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[et:Joseph de Maistre]]
#:Firstly, I assure you that the blanking of a good portion of the page was not intentional and am somewhat disturbed such a large portion of text was removed and I didn't notice. As for removing the template, I do a run through of [[:CAT:RM]] as part of my WP:RM "routine" and often find pages tagged with {{tl|move}} only - with no discussion on the talk page nor proposal at WP:RM. Accordingly, it is possible that one of my random cleanings of CAT:RM will catch someone in mid-procedure. In the future, I will do a more consistent job of comparing the time of the addition of {{tl|move}} to the talk page vs. the current time. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 04:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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#::It took me 20 minutes to do step 2 of [[WP:RM]], which is create a place for discussion with my move rationale (along with finding sources to support my request). [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AIslamic_terrorism&diff=240383392&oldid=240383060] You need to be more patient with people. I'm concerned about the ramifications of such impatience when it comes to using admin tools to handle speedy deletions, and other tasks. If this RFA doesn't pass, I would be happy to reconsider at a later time. --[[User:Aude|Aude]] <small>([[User talk:Aude|talk]])</small> 04:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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#'''Week Oppose''' (a little leaning toward neutral) I thought the candidate is already an admin because closing heated [[WP:RM]] discussion is mostly taken care by admins. --[[User:Caspian blue|Caspian blue]] ([[User talk:Caspian blue|talk]]) 16:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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:'''Neutral''' - waiting on question responses. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 05:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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::For the first half dozen, can we just point to the appropriate policy/guideline and save a boatload of time for everyone? [[User:Tanthalas39|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">'''Tan'''</font>]] &#124; [[User talk:Tanthalas39|<font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39</font>]] 06:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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Joseph de Maistre (portrait by Karl Vogel von Vogelstein, ca. 1810)

Joseph-Marie, Comte de Maistre (1 April 1753- 26 February 1821) was a French-speaking Savoyard lawyer, diplomat, writer, and philosopher. He was one of the most influential spokesmen for a counter-revolutionary and authoritarian conservatism in the period immediately following the French Revolution of 1789. Despite his close personal and intellectual ties to France, de Maistre remained throughout his life a subject of the King of Sardinia, whom he served as member of the Savoy Senate (1787-1792), ambassador to Russia (1803-1817), and minister of state to the court in Turin (1817-1821).

De Maistre argued for the restoration of hereditary monarchy, which he regarded as a divinely sanctioned institution, and for the indirect authority of the Pope over temporal matters. According to de Maistre, only governments founded on the Christian constitution, implicit in the customs and institutions of all European societies but especially in that of Catholic European monarchies, could avoid the disorder and bloodletting that followed the implementation of rationalist political programs, such as that of the 1789 revolution. An enthusiastic believer in the principle of established authority, which the Revolution sought to destroy, de Maistre defended it everywhere: in the State by extolling the monarchy, in the Church by exalting the privileges of the papacy, and in the world by glorifying God's providence.

Biography

An 1856 map of the Kingdom of Sardinia, with the Duchy of Savoy in yellow on top left. De Maistre was born in the Duchy in 1753.

De Maistre was born at Chambéry, in the Duchy of Savoy, which at the time belonged to the Kingdom of Sardinia. His family was of French origin and had settled in Savoy a century earlier, eventually attaining a high position and aristocratic rank. His father had served as president of the Savoy Senate and his younger brother, Xavier de Maistre, would later become a military officer and a popular writer of fiction.

Joseph was probably educated by the Jesuits.[1] After the Revolution, he became an ardent defender of their Order as he came increasingly to associate the spirit of the Revolution with the spirit of the Jesuits' traditional enemies, the Jansenists. After completing his training in the law at the University of Turin in 1774, he followed in his father's footsteps by becoming a Senator in 1787.

De Maistre, a member of the progressive Scottish Rite Masonic lodge at Chambéry from 1774 to 1790, was initially sympathetic to reform movements in France and supported the efforts of the magistrates in the Parlements to force King Louis XVI to call the States-General. As a landowner in France, de Maistre might have been eligible to join that body, and there is some evidence that he contemplated that possibility.[2] He was alarmed, however, by the decision of the States-General to join the three orders of clergy, aristocracy, and commoners into the single legislative body that became the National Constituent Assembly, and he turned strongly against the course of events in France after the revolutionary legislation of 4 August 1789 was passed (see August Decrees).

De Maistre was the only native Senator who fled Savoy after a French revolutionary army invaded the region in 1792. He briefly returned to Chambéry the following year but eventually decided that he could not support the French-controlled regime and departed for Switzerland, where he visited the salon of Germaine de Staël and discussed politics and theology with her. De Maistre then began his career as a counterrevolutionary writer with works such as Lettres d'un royaliste savoisien ("Letters from a Savoyard Royalist," 1793), Discours à Mme. la marquise Costa de Beauregard, sur la vie et la mort de son fils ("Discourse to the Marchioness Costa de Beauregard, on the Life and Death of her Son," 1794) and Cinq paradoxes à la Marquise de Nav... ("Five Paradoxes for the Marchioness of Nav...," 1795).

In 1803 de Maistre was appointed as the King of Sardinia's diplomatic envoy to the court of Russia's Tsar, Alexander I in Saint Petersburg. From 1817 until his death, he served in Turin as a magistrate and minister of state for the Kingdom of Sardinia.

Political and moral philosophy

In Considerations sur la France ("Considerations on France," 1796), [3] De Maistre maintained that France had a divine mission as the principal instrument of good and of evil on earth. De Maistre considered the Revolution of 1789 as a Providential occurrence: the monarchy, the aristocracy, and the whole of the old French society, instead of using the powerful influence of French civilization to benefit mankind, had instead promoted the destructive atheistic doctrines of the eighteenth-century philosophers. The crimes of the Reign of Terror were at once the apotheosis and logical consequence of the destructive spirit of the eighteenth century, as well as the divinely decreed punishment for it.

His short book Essai sur le principe générateur des constitutions politiques et des autres institutions humaines ("Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions," 1809),[4] centres on the idea that constitutions are not the artificial products of study but come in due time and under suitable circumstances from God, who slowly brings them to maturity in silence. After the appearance in 1816 of his French translation of Plutarch's treatise On the Delay of Divine Justice in the Punishment of the Guilty, de Maistre published in 1819 his masterpiece Du Pape ("On the Pope"). The work is divided into four parts. In the first he argues that, in the Church, the pope is sovereign, and that it is an essential characteristic of all sovereign power that its decisions should be subject to no appeal. Consequently, the pope is infallible in his teaching, since it is by his teaching that he exercises his sovereignty. In the remaining divisions the author examines the relations of the pope and the temporal powers, civilization and the welfare of nations, and the schismatic Churches. He argues that nations require protection against abuses of power by a sovereignty superior to all others, and that this sovereignty should be that of the papacy, the historical saviour and maker of European civilization. As to the schismatic Churches, de Maistre believed that they would, with time, return to the arms of the papacy because "no religion can resist science, except one."

Besides a voluminous correspondence, de Maistre left two posthumous works. One of these, L'examen de la philosophie de Bacon, ("An Examination of the Philosophy of Bacon," 1836), develops a spiritualist epistemology out of a critique of Francis Bacon, whom de Maistre considers as a fountainhead of the Enlightenment in its most destructive form. The Soirées de St. Pétersbourg ("The Saint Petersburg Dialogues", 1821) [5] is a theodicy in the form of a Platonic dialogue, in which de Maistre proposes his own solution to the age-old problem of the existence of evil. For him, the existence of evil throws light on the designs of God, for the moral world and the physical world are interrelated. Physical evil is the necessary corollary of moral evil, which humanity expiates and minimizes through prayer and sacrifice. The shedding of blood, the expiation of the sins of the guilty by the innocent is for de Maistre a law as mysterious as it is indubitable, the principle that propels humanity in its return to God and the explanation for the existence and the perpetuity of war.

Quotes

  • I don't know what a scoundrel is like, but I know what a respectable man is like, and it's enough to make one's flesh creep.
  • If occasionally superstition believes in belief, as it is accused of, more often still, you can be sure, pride believes in disbelief.
  • False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing.
  • If there was no moral evil upon earth, there would be no physical evil.
  • In the works of man, everything is as poor as its author; vision is confined, means are limited, scope is restricted, movements are labored, and results are humdrum.
  • Man is insatiable for power; he is infantile in his desires and, always discontented with what he has, loves only what he has not.
  • Wherever an altar is found, there civilization exists.

Influence and repute

De Maistre can be counted, with the Anglo-Irish statesman Edmund Burke, as one of the fathers of European conservatism. Since the 19th century, however, the providentialist, authoritarian, "throne and altar" strand of conservatism that he represented has greatly declined in political influence when compared to the more pragmatic and adaptable conservatism of Burke. De Maistre's stylistic and rhetorical brilliance, on the other hand, have made him enduringly popular as a writer and controversialist. The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910 describes de Maistre's style as "strong, lively, picturesque," and adds, "animation and good humour temper his dogmatic tone. He possesses a wonderful facility in exposition, precision of doctrine, breadth of learning, and dialectical power." The great liberal poet Alphonse de Lamartine, though a political enemy, could not but admire the lively splendour of de Maistre's prose:

That brief, nervous, lucid style, stripped of phrases, robust of limb, did not at all recall the softness of the eighteenth century, nor the declamations of the latest French books: it was born and steeped in the breath of the Alps; it was virgin, it was young, it was harsh and savage; it had no human respect, it felt its solitude; it improvised depth and form all at once… That man was new among the enfants du siècle.

De Maistre's critique of the Enlightenment, especially its Rationalism, have long made him an attractive countercultural figure. For example, the Decadent poet Charles Baudelaire claimed that de Maistre had taught him "how to think" and declared himself a disciple of the Savoyard counterrevolutionary.

Isaiah Berlin counts him, in his Freedom and Its Betrayal, as one of the six principal enemies of liberty amongst major Enlightenment advocates. He maintains that Maistre's works were regarded as "the last despairing effort of feudalism in the Dark Ages to resist the march of progress". His lecture Two Enemies of the Enlightenment, offers Berlin's psychological profile of Maistre and his philosophy summarizing him as an angry man. However, Isaiah Berlin in his essay The Hedgehog and the Fox regards Maistre as the major influence behind Tolstoy's entire philosophy of history in War and Peace.

Émile Faguet, whom Berlin thinks the most accurate and fairest-minded critic of Maistre in the 19th century, described Maistre as "a fierce absolutist, a furious theocrat, an intransigent legitimist, apostle of a monstrous trinity composed of Pope, King and Hangman, always and everywhere the champion of the hardest, narrowest and most inflexible dogmatism, a dark figure out of the Middle Ages, part learned doctor, part inquisitor, part executioner"

Generally, Enlightenment advocates loathe Maistre's position on the place of revolution in the history of nations and his complete distrust of man, but they are equally in awe of his style and intellectual prowess. They portray Maistre as a fanatical monarchist and a still more fanatical supporter of papal authority -- strong-willed and inflexible, and in possession of potent but rigid powers of reasoning, brilliant but embittered.

American conservatism

De Maistre influence is controversial among American conservatives. Contemporary conservative commentator Pat Buchanan praises de Maistre, calling him a "great conservative" in his 2006 book State of Emergency. Along with paleoconservative theorist Samuel Francis, Buchanan considers de Maistre an early intellectual precursor on issues of nationalism and universalism[6]. When neoconservative writer Jonah Goldberg attacked de Maistre in one column for disagreeing with the notion that "humanity is universal" and for suggesting that "transcending one's particular identity was impossible,"[7] Paul Gottfried questioned Goldberg's credentials as a conservative and his knowledge of de Maistre. Gottfried considers Joseph de Maistre a "formidable literary and intellectual figure" and calls Goldberg's attempt to link him to modern day African-American identity politics "thoroughly dishonest and/or abysmally stupid."[8] Gottfried also writes:

What Goldberg is really pushing is a form of leftist imperialism reaching back to Robespierre and Jacobin France. Goldberg has dusted off the platform of the French revolutionary Left and misnamed it conservatism, while taking a once renowned conservative, Maistre, and assigning him to a neocon version of eternal perdition. It might be properly asked why anyone would mistake the bearers of this view for certified conservatives.[9]

Notes

  1. ^ "Joseph-Marie, Comte de Maistre". Catholic Encyclopedia.
  2. ^ A Brief Biography of Joseph de Maistre, U. of Manitoba
  3. ^ Considerations on France, De Maistre
  4. ^ Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions
  5. ^ The Saint Petersburg Dialogues
  6. ^ State of Emergency, p.146
  7. ^ Through the Melting Pot, Jonah Goldberg
  8. ^ Goldbergism vs. Buchanan, Paul Gottfried
  9. ^ Paul Gottfried, The First Universal Goldberg?

References

  • Ghervas, Stella. Réinventer la tradition. Alexandre Stourdza et l'Europe de la Sainte-Alliance. Paris, Honoré Champion, 2008. ISBN 978-2-7453-1669-1

 This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domainHerbermann, Charles, ed. (1913). Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

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