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The '''''Terminator''''' series is a [[Media franchise|franchise]] encompassing a series of [[science fiction]] [[film]]s and ancillary media concerning battles between [[Skynet (Terminator)|Skynet]]'s [[artificially intelligent]] machine network, and [[John Connor]]'s [[Tech-Com]] forces and the rest of the [[human race]]. Skynet's most well-known products in its genocidal goals are [[Terminator (character concept)|the various terminator models]], such as [[Terminator (character)|the original "Terminator" character]], portrayed by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] in three films.
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==Films==
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===''The Terminator''===
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{{main|The Terminator}}
'''''The Terminator''''' is a [[1984 in film|1984]] [[science fiction film]] written and directed by [[James Cameron]] and starring [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]], [[Linda Hamilton]], and [[Michael Biehn]]. It is the first work in the Terminator franchise. In the film, machines take over the world in the near future, directed by the artificially intelligent computer Skynet. With its sole mission to completely annihilate humanity, it develops cyborg assassins called [[Terminator (character concept)|Terminators]] that look exactly like humans. A man named John Connor starts the [[Tech-Com]] resistance to defeat them and free humanity. With a human victory imminent, the machines' only choice is to send a terminator back in time to kill John's mother, [[Sarah Connor (Terminator)|Sarah]], before he is born, preventing the resistance from ever being founded. With the fate of humanity at stake, John sends soldier [[Kyle Reese]] back to protect his mother and ensure his own existence.


===''Terminator 2: Judgment Day''===
== Meaning of Life is in need of a "expert on the subject" ==
{{main|Terminator 2: Judgment Day}}
'''''Terminator 2: Judgment Day''''' is the [[1991 in film|1991]] [[sequel]] to the original Terminator film, written, directed, and produced by James Cameron and starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, [[Edward Furlong]], and [[Robert Patrick]]. After the machines failed to prevent John Connor from being born, they try again, this time attempting to kill him as a child with a more advanced terminator, the [[T-1000]]. As before, John sends back a protector for his younger self, a reprogrammed Terminator, identical to [[Terminator (character)|the one from the previous film]]. After ten years of preparing for the future war, Sarah decides to use the same tactics the machines used on her: prevent Skynet from being invented by destroying [[Cyberdyne Systems]] before they create it.


===''Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines''===
Is that a joke? Can anyone be a expert on the subject of the meaning of life? Other than experts on the religious explanations of the meaning of life? Correct me if I'm wrong. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Andypham3000|Andypham3000]] ([[User talk:Andypham3000|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Andypham3000|contribs]]) 18:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
{{main|Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines}}
:I thought that was hilarious too, but this article does need some serious attention, preferably from someone with a background in comparative philosophy or religion. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 21:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
'''''Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines''''' is the [[2003 in film|2003]] sequel to ''Terminator 2'', directed by [[Jonathan Mostow]] and starring [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]], [[Nick Stahl]], [[Claire Danes]], and [[Kristanna Loken]]. As a result of the destruction of Cyberdyne at the end of ''T2'', the Skynet takeover has been postponed, not averted. In a last attempt to ensure a machine victory, a new terminator, the [[T-X]], is sent back to kill as many lieutenants as possible, including John Connor and his future wife [[Kate Brewster|Kate]]. After the future Connor is terminated by an identical model to his previous protector, Kate reprograms it and sends it back to save them both from the T-X.


===''Terminator Salvation''===
::I don't know how I found myself on this page, but that tag just struck me as one of the funniest things I've seen on Wikipedia in years. [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 03:34, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
{{main|Terminator Salvation}}
'''''Terminator Salvation''''' is the upcoming fourth installment to the ''Terminator'' film series, scheduled to be released on [[May 22]], [[2009]].<ref>{{cite news |first=Pamela |last=McClintock |coauthors=Diane Garrett |url=http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117981449.html |title=WB's 'Terminator' to open May 2009 |work=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] |date=2008-02-25 |accessdate=2008-02-26 }}</ref> It is written by David Campbell Wilson, John Brancato, and Michael Ferris, directed by [[Joseph McGinty Nichol|Joseph "McG" McGinty Nichol]],<ref>{{cite news |first=Borys |last=Kit |url=http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSN0133618320071202 |title=Bale to segue from 'Dark Knight' to 'Terminator' |work=[[Reuters]] |date=2007-12-02 |date=2008-04-14 }}</ref> and stars actor [[Christian Bale]] as John Connor.<ref>{{cite news |first=Gina |last=Serpe |title=Bale Goes Batty For Terminator 4 |url=http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=9864803c-63b6-42a6-b26f-4c2b3d101a6b |work=[[E! News]] |date=2007-12-02 |accessdate=2008-04-14 }}</ref> [[Anton Yelchin]] is playing a young Kyle Reese, who befriends Marcus, an early Terminator.<ref name="haggis">{{cite news |first=Gregg |last=Goldstein |title=Yelchin finds 'Salvation' |work=[[The Hollywood Reporter]] |date=2008-03-19 |url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ifff588c2bae9eaff4982de057e9344ff |accessdate=2008-04-14 }}</ref> [[Sam Worthington]] is playing Marcus; he was personally recommended to McG by ''Terminator'' creator [[James Cameron]].<ref name="Variety-Worthington">{{cite news |coauthors=Diane Garrett |first=Michael |last=Fleming |title=Worthington to star in 'Terminator' |url=http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117980831.html |work=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] |date=2008-02-12 |accessdate=2008-04-14 |quote=Worthington will play the role of Marcus, a central figure in a three-picture arc that begins after Skynet has destroyed much of humanity... }}</ref> [[Josh Brolin]] and [[Mariusz Pudzianowski]] have been mentioned in a possible role as the Terminator.<ref name="McG interview">{{cite news |first=A.C. |last=Ferrante |title=McG Talks Terminator |url=http://www.ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=5690 |work=[[If (magazine)|If]] |date=2008-02-06 |accessdate=2008-04-14 }}</ref><ref>[http://www.moviehole.net/news/20080509_pudzian_terminatorem.html moviehole.net]</ref> [[Moon Bloodgood]] is playing the female lead of the film, Blair Williams. She will play "a no-nonsense and battle-hardened member of the resistance".<ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Bloodgood Back In ''T4'' |url=http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=52651 |work= |publisher= SciFi Wire|date=2008-04-21 |accessdate=2008-04-23 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |first=Borys |last=Kit |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Moon Bloodgood lined up for "Terminator" sequel |url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080421/people_nm/terminator_dc_2 |work= |publisher= Yahoo! News |date=2008-04-20 |accessdate=2008-04-23 }}</ref> Shooting of the film began on [[May 5]], [[2008]] in [[Albuquerque, New Mexico|Albuquerque]], [[New Mexico]].<ref>{{cite news |work=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] |url=http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117981560.html |title=Film greenlights in limbo |first=Michael |last=Fleming |coauthors=Pamela McClintock |date=2008-02-27 |accessdate=2008-04-14 }}</ref> [[Stan Winston]] was to have supervised the visual effects.<ref>{{cite news |title=Filmnut video |publisher=TheStreamTV |date=2008-03-19 |url=http://www.thestream.tv/watch.php?v=726 |accessdate=2008-03-20 }}</ref>


==''Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles''==
== Corrections in science section ==
{{main|Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles}}
A television series titled ''Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles'' airs on the FOX network, with [[Lena Headey]] as Sarah Connor and [[Thomas Dekker (actor)|Thomas Dekker]] as John Connor. The series, created by [[Josh Friedman]], centers on Sarah and John after ''[[Terminator 2]]'' as they try to "live under the radar" after the explosion at [[Cyberdyne Systems Corporation|Cyberdyne]]. [[Summer Glau]] plays a female Terminator protecting the Connors. Executive producer James Middleton confirmed in ''Variety'' that the series will contain a link to ''Terminator 4''.<ref name="re-tools">{{cite news |last=Adalian |first=Josef |url=http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117932724.html |title='Terminator' Re-tools |work=[[Variety (magazine)|Variety]] |date=2005-11-09 |accessdate=2007-05-17 }}</ref> However, McG later clarified in an interview that show creator Josh Friedman "was the first to jump on and say we can't chase their story threads."<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.moviehole.net/200814587-comic-con-interview-mcg|title=Comic-Con Interview: McG|work=Moviehole|accessdate=2008-08-05}}</ref>


==Cast and characters==
There are a number of misleading claims in the science section. Saying how early in the Big Bang physics can describe things kinda misses the point - understanding the singularity of the Big Bang will not really help us understand its origins. The Anthropic Principle comment is pretty out of touch, too, as most physicists (namely Weinberg and co.) would argue the Anthropic Principle is useless in cosmology. Finally, I take issue with the expression of quantum mind theories as a "popular alternative to determinism" among scientists. It is not. Classical theories of mind are by far the most widely-research and widely-believed mechanism for consciousness. I will go ahead and make some of the appropriate changes. [[User:SamuelRiv|SamuelRiv]] ([[User talk:SamuelRiv|talk]]) 05:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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:In fact, science tends to be somewhat [[incompatibilism|incompatabilist]] concerning the meaning of life, and generally holds to determinism. Free will through quantum phenomena is not just a popular alternative to determinism, it appears to be the only one scientificly treatable, since quantum phenomena are probabilistic, thus not wholly deterministic. [[Special:Contributions/84.194.233.241|84.194.233.241]] ([[User talk:84.194.233.241|talk]]) 16:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! rowspan="2" width="16%" | Character
! colspan="5" align="center" | Media
|-
! align="center" width="16%" | ''[[The Terminator]]''
! align="center" width="16%" | ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''
! align="center" width="16%" | ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]''
! align="center" width="16%" | ''[[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]]''
! align="center" width="16%" | ''[[Terminator Salvation]]''
|-
! [[Terminator (character)|The Terminator]]
| colspan="3" | [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Roland Kickinger]]
|-
! [[Kyle Reese]]
| colspan="2" |[[Michael Biehn]][[#fn 1|<sup>1</sup>]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Jonathan Jackson (actor)|Jonathan Jackson]][[#fn 2|<sup>2</sup>]]
| [[Anton Yelchin]]
|-
! [[Sarah Connor (Terminator)|Sarah Connor]]
| colspan="2" | [[Linda Hamilton]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Lena Headey]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
|-
! [[Dr. Silberman|Peter Silberman]]
| colspan="3" | [[Earl Boen]]
| colspan="1" | [[Bruce Davison]][[#fn 3|<sup>3</sup>]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
|-
! [[John Connor]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Edward Furlong]][[#fn 4|<sup>4</sup>]]
| [[Nick Stahl]]
| [[Thomas Dekker (actor)|Thomas Dekker]][[#fn 5|<sup>5</sup>]]
| [[Christian Bale]]
|-
! [[T-1000]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Robert Patrick]]
| colspan="3" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
|-
! [[Miles Bennett Dyson|Miles Dyson]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Joe Morton]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Phil Morris]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
|-
! [[Kate Brewster]]
| colspan="2" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Claire Danes]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Bryce Dallas Howard]]
|-
! [[T-X]]
| colspan="2" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Kristanna Loken]]
| colspan="2" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
|-
! [[Cameron Phillips]]
| colspan="3" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Summer Glau]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
|-
! [[Derek Reese]]
| colspan="3" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Brian Austin Green]][[#fn 6|<sup>6</sup>]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
|-
! [[Cromartie (Terminator)|Cromartie]]
| colspan="3" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Owain Yeoman]]<br>[[Garret Dillahunt]]
| style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
|-
! Marcus<ref name="haggis"/><ref name="Variety-Worthington"/>
| colspan="4" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Sam Worthington]]
|-
! Barnes<ref>{{Citation |last= |first= |title=Rapper 'to appear in Terminator' |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7387852.stm |publisher=''[[BBC]]'' |date=[[2008-05-07]] |accessdate=2008-05-11}}</ref>
| colspan="4" style="background-color:lightgrey;" | &nbsp;
| [[Common (rapper)|Common]]
|}


{{fnb|1}} A vision of Reese appears only in the extended cut of ''T2''.
::Just because it's probabilistic doesn't mean it lets magic happen. No matter how you throw the dice, you're still in the world of physics. Also, in the grand sense of things, QM doesn't let you do anything that determinism can't do. [[User:SamuelRiv|SamuelRiv]] ([[User talk:SamuelRiv|talk]]) 07:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


{{fnb|2}} [[Skyler Gisondo]] portrays an eight-year-old Kyle Reese and another young actor, who is uncredited, plays a four-year-old Kyle Reese on the episode "[[What He Beheld (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)|What He Beheld]]".
:::I see where you're coming from, but lets face the facts, science doesn't have a complete explanation for consciousness, free will, and the origin of the universe. Since Wikipedia tries to be neutral, it presents the possibilities. I think many scientists would agree with you that the subjects you've mentioned are not really related to any "meaning of life", but there are people who say otherwise, among these people are also scientists, some of them very respected individuals, some others wholly neglected or rejected. But that still leaves us two conflicting views, and since one view seems to reject the general notion of "meaning of life", this article may at times spend more content on what is generally conceived as the controversial, unconventional view. [[Special:Contributions/84.194.239.240|84.194.239.240]] ([[User talk:84.194.239.240|talk]]) 21:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


{{fnb|3}} He is credited as Dr. Silverman in the series but referred to as Silberman by the characters and in writing.
== suggested link for External links ==


{{fnb|4}} [[Michael Edwards (actor)|Michael Edwards]] plays an older John Connor in a brief, nonspeaking role, and Dalton Abbot plays the infant John Connor.
Dear all,
I was thinking of including a link to a fictional story about the meaning of life, that goes
by that title (The Meaning of Life). However, I'm the author of the story so I'm not sure if
it's against the guidelines. Here's the link: http://www.wordriot.org/template_2.php?ID=1616
I'd be curious to know what you think. Best, Daniel Hudon <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Magritte64|Magritte64]] ([[User talk:Magritte64|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Magritte64|contribs]]) 21:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


{{fnb|5}} John DeVito plays a younger John Connor in a brief, nonspeaking role on the flashback scene of the episode "[[Queen's Gambit (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)|Queen's Gambit]]".
:Being fictional, not published in a notable journal, and written by a nonnotable author means that it has no grounds for inclusion. [[User:SamuelRiv|SamuelRiv]] ([[User talk:SamuelRiv|talk]]) 04:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


{{fnb|6}} [[Ryan Kelley]] plays a fifteen-year-old Derek Reese on "[[What He Beheld (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)| What He Beheld]]" and another young actor, who is uncredited, as an eleven year old Derek on the same episode.
== Rewrote the leeed ==


==Other media==
I had a stab at rewriting the lead section by summarizing the article. I'm not sure how well I did - it's a bit of a challenge when there are so many approaches to such a nebulous concept as the meaning of life. It might have worked better if I had made it shorter and even vaguer. I think the paragraph I wrote on religious answers kinda sucks, but still, there we go. :-)<br>
I moved the list of questions in the old lead section to a new section called '''Overview''' (a better title could be thought of). I distributed the remainder of the content into the body of article, but there is still one rather disjointed paragraph on religion still sitting in the '''Overview''' section which I didn't know where to move. [[User:Singinglemon|Singinglemon]] ([[User talk:Singinglemon|talk]]) 19:11, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


There have been several book series and [[graphic novel]]s associated with the Terminator series. The films have been [[novelization|novelized]] as well.
== I'm impressed! ==


===Books===
Everyone did a really good job on this article. The summary of the Christian belief was handled quite well in those 2 paragraphs. The only thing I found that could be worked on is the section on Islam, the first 2 paragraphs seem a bit redundant. [[Special:Contributions/65.189.242.190|65.189.242.190]] ([[User talk:65.189.242.190|talk]]) 20:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
*''[[The Terminator]]'' (first novelization) by [[Shaun Hutson]] (1984)
* ''The Terminator'' (second novelization) by [[Randall Frakes]] (1991)
* ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' novelization by Randall Frakes (1991)
** [[T2: Infiltrator]] series by [[S.M. Stirling]]
*** ''[[T2: Infiltrator]]'' (2002)
*** ''T2: Rising Storm'' (2003)
*** ''[[T2: The Future War]]'' (2004)
** ''[[Terminator 2: The New John Connor Chronicles]]'' by [[Russell Blackford]]
*** ''Dark Futures'' (2002)
*** ''An Evil Hour'' (2003)
*** ''Times of Trouble'' (2003)
** ''[[Terminator 2: Hour of the Wolf]]'' by [[Mark W. Tiedemann]] (2004)
* ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' novelization by [[David Hagberg]] (2003)
** ''[[T3: Terminator Dreams]]'' by [[Aaron Allston]] (2004)
** ''[[T3: Terminator Hunt]]'' by Aaron Allston (2005)
*''[[T-2: Judgment Day Book of the Film]]'' by [[Cameron/Wisher]] (1991)
*''[[The Making of T-2: Judgment Day]]'' by [[Shay/Duncan]] (1991)
*''[[Terminator 3: ROTM - Prima's Offical Strategy Guide]]'' (2003)


== Aristotle's view and logical positivism ==


The logical positivist view is expressed in the "Aristotle's view" part of the article. So, was he the first one to mention it or is it totally irrelevant? [[Special:Contributions/79.103.201.139|79.103.201.139]] ([[User talk:79.103.201.139|talk]]) 01:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


Stirling, Blackford and Allston's individual series are of separate continuity. Tiedemann's novel follows on from Blackford's.
== reorganization ==


===Comics and graphic novels===
I'm not sure the current breakdown - basically a laundry list of various perspectives, organized oddly (first western philosophical, then western religious, the other religions, then back to western scientism) - really handles the matter well. two other approaches that occur to me:
In 1988, [[NOW Comics]] published an ongoing series with [[John Connor]] as the main character in 2029, after sending [[Kyle Reese]] back to 1984 to protect his mother. The seventeen issue series was followed by two limited series.<ref>{{cite comic | title = The Terminator | publisher = [[NOW Comics]] | date = 1988-1989 | issue = 1-17}}</ref><ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Ron Fortier]] | penciller = [[Alex Ross]] | title = [[Terminator: The Burning Earth]] | publisher = [[NOW Comics]] | date = March – July 1990 | issue = 1-5}}</ref><ref>{{cite comic | title = Terminator: All My Futures Past | publisher = [[NOW Comics]] | date = 1990 | issue = 1-2}}</ref>
#organizing it temporally
#*ancient beliefs first - Greek, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Jewish, early Christian, Jain and Zoroastrian)
#*mid-range beliefs - Roman Catholic and Christian theosophy, enlightenment philosophy, Mahayana Buddhism and Advaita vedanta, Bahá'í
#*contemporary beliefs - Science, philosophical perspectives, new-age type concerns
#organizing thematically
#*reason and cognition based, self-ontology
#*divinity-based, non-dualistic unions, prescriptive creeds (both religious and philosophical)
#*pragmatic and analytical approaches (including nihilistic threads)
just a rough outline, of course, but do either of these strike the right chord? let me know before I get involved in large-scale revisions. --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 05:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


[[Dark Horse Comics]] acquired the rights in 1990 and published ''The Terminator'' (titled ''Tempest'' in [[trade paperback]]s to distinguish itself), where a group of human soldiers and four Terminators come to the present, to respectively kill or protect the developers of [[Skynet (Terminator)|Skynet]]. One of the Terminators is Dudley, a human doctor with cybernetic implants, and he betrays his group as he feels he can make a difference in the past.<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[John Arcudi]] | penciller = [[Chris Warner (comics)|Chris Warner]] | title = The Terminator | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 4 issues | date = August to November 1990}}</ref> In the following year's sequel ''Secondary Objectives'', the surviving Terminator leader, C890.L, is reprogrammed to destroy another Terminator sent to aid him and kill [[Sarah Connor]].<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[James Dale Robinson]] | penciller = [[Paul Gulacy]] | title = The Terminator: Secondary Objectives | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 4 issues | date = July to October 1991}}</ref> In the immediate follow-up ''The Enemy Within'', C890.L rebuilds and modifies himself to become more dangerous than ever, while a team of human assassins attempt to return to the past and kill a Skynet developer.<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Ian Edginton]] | artist = [[Vincent Giarrano]] | title = The Terminator: The Enemy Within | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 4 issues | date = November 1991 to February 1992}}</ref> The 1992 ''Endgame'' concludes this arc, with human colonel Mary Randall, having lost Dudley and her soldiers in the final battle with C890.L, protecting Sarah Connor as she goes into labor. Sarah gives birth to a girl named Jane, whose future leadership means Skynet is quickly defeated and never develops time travel.<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[James Dale Robinson]] | penciller = [[Jackson Guice]] | title = The Terminator: Endgame | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 3 issues | date = September to November 1992}}</ref>
:If I remember correctly, the science section used to be first a long time ago; I assumed it was moved down because the idea that science ''per se'' (as opposed to philosophical interpretations of its findings) has much to say about the meaning of life is controversial. My own bias would be to put reason first, but organizing things according to your second plan (though preferable to the current organizational structure) would invite more disagreement than would the first (temporally organized), which is both more neutral and less subject to varying interpretations (for example, theme boundaries). I like the temporally organized plan a lot. An additional advantage is that the development of thinking about this ancient question is more apparent. We need a good label for mid-range beliefs. -'''[[User:DoctorW|<font color="#0000a0">Do</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DoctorW|<font color="#008040">c</font>]][[User_talk:DoctorW|<font color="#a00040">t</font>]][[User:DoctorW|<font color="#0000a0">or''W''</font>]]''' 16:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


Dark Horse published a 1992 [[one-shot (comics)|one-shot]] written by [[James Dale Robinson]] and drawn by [[Matt Wagner]]. It followed a female Terminator and a resistance fighter battling for the life of another Sarah Connor: Sarah Lang, who has married artist Michael Connor and intends to kill him for his money.<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[James Dale Robinson]] | artist = [[Matt Wagner]] | title = The Terminator | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | date = July 1991}}</ref> The following year they published the limited series ''Hunters and Killers'', set during the war, where special Terminators with [[ceramic]] skeletons and genuine organs are created to impersonate leaders in the Russian resistance.<ref>{{cite news | writer = [[Toren Smith]], [[Adam Warren]], [[Chris Warner (comics)|Chris Warner]] | penciller = [[Bill Jaaska]] | title = The Terminator: Hunters and Killers | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 3 issues | date = March to May 1992}}</ref> Another limited series was published in 1998, focusing on the misadventures of two malfunctioning Terminators in [[Death Valley]]. They kill a man named Ken Norden, mistaking his wife Sara and son Jon for the Connors.<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Alan Grant (writer)|Alan Grant]] | artist = [[Guy Davis]] | title = The Terminator: Death Valley | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 5 issues | date = August to December 1998}}</ref> This set up the following year's comic ''The Dark Years'', where Jon Norden fights alongside John Connor in 2030. In ''The Dark Years'', another Terminator is sent to eliminate John and his mother in 1999.<ref>{{Cite comic | writer = [[Alan Grant (writer)|Alan Grant]] | penciller = [[Mel Rubi]], [[Trevor McCarthy]] | title = The Terminator: The Dark Years | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 1-4 | date = September to December 1999}}</ref>
::yeah, the mid-range beliefs thing is a bit vague. the problem, really, is that this 'mid-range' period basically covers the expansion of the big universalistic religions, and so insightful thought is limited in deference to proselytic efforts. I mean, you have a few christian philosophers, the inception of Islam (which self-admittedly borrows a lot from judeo-christian though), mahayana buddhist revisionism in asia and adviata vedanta in India, but most of it really represents attempts to rationalize and solidify doctrine. you don't really see innovative stuff until the Enlightenment period. we could try section titles like this: Ancient (rational idealist) philosophy; universalist expansion; Enlightenment (rational moralism) thought; contemproary scientific and philosophical views. I'm not sure that entirely satisfies me...


Terminators have crossed over with [[RoboCop]], [[Superman]] and [[Alien vs. Predator]]. In the 1992 ''[[RoboCop versus The Terminator (comic book)|RoboCop versus The Terminator]]'' and 2000 ''[[Superman vs. The Terminator: Death to the Future]]'', the heroes must prevent the war ravaged future.<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Frank Miller (comics)|Frank Miller]] | artist = [[Walt Simonson]] | title = [[RoboCop versus The Terminator (comic book)|RoboCop versus The Terminator]] | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 4 issues | date = May to August 1992}}</ref><ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Alan Grant (writer)|Alan Grant]] | penciller = [[Steve Pugh]] | title = [[Superman vs. The Terminator: Death to the Future]] | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 4 issues | date = January to March 2000}}</ref> In 2000 Dark Horse also published ''[[Alien versus Predator versus The Terminator]]'', where [[Skynet (Terminator)|Skynet]], who went dormant after Connor defeated them, have returned and are creating an [[Alien (Alien franchise)|Alien]]-Terminator hybrid. The [[Ellen Ripley]] clone (from ''[[Alien: Resurrection]]'') and the [[Predator (alien)|Predator]]s join forces to stop them.<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Mark Schultz]] | penciller = [[Mel Rubi]] | title = [[Alien versus Predator versus The Terminator]] | publisher = [[Dark Horse Comics]] | issue = 4 issues | date = April to July 2000}}</ref>
::you're probably right that the second plan would generate a bit of dissent (too bad - that's generally the way I see the issue, so that would be easier - for me at least {{=)}}). but yeah, unless it were done carefully it might imply connections between ideas that are merely parallel developments, and that wouldn't be good. --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 20:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


[[Malibu Comics]] published twin series in 1995. One was a sequel to ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]'', where Sarah and John encounter two T-800s and a female [[T-1000]]. The other was a prequel exploring how Connor sent Reese and the T-800 back in time, and the creation of the T-1000 (which took its default appearance from a captive soldier). The conclusions of both series were published in one issue.<ref>{{cite comic | title = Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Cybernetic Dawn | publisher = [[Malibu Comics]] | date = November 1995 to February 1996, April 1996 | issue = 1-5}}</ref><ref>{{cite comic | title = Terminator 2: Judgement Day - Nuclear Twilight | publisher = [[Malibu Comics]] | date = November 1995 to February 1996, April 1996 | issue = 1-5}}</ref>
:::I think the sections should be broken down by years, with individual sections describing the viewpoint's cultural context. I would hesitate to try and carve time up into ideological categories, because they aren't easily applied to all thinkers, and we can make these connections into the article text. It's looking like this article needs a strong "what is the search for the meaning of life?" section, followed by a collection of historical perspectives, finishing with modern and popular views. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 02:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


[[Beckett Comics]] published three series to promote ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'', each consisting of two issues.<ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Ivan Brandon]] | penciller = [[Goran Parlov]] | title = Terminator 3: Before the Rise | publisher = [[Beckett Comics]] | issue = 2 issues | date =July and August 2003}}</ref><ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Miles Gunter]] | penciller = [[Mike Hawthone]] | title = Terminator 3: Eyes of the Rise | publisher = [[Beckett Comics]] | issue = 2 issues | date = September and October 2003}}</ref><ref>{{cite comic | writer = [[Miles Gunter]] | penciller = [[Kieron Dwyer]] | title = Terminator 3: Fragmented | publisher = [[Beckett Comics]] | issue = 2 issues | date = November and December 2003}}</ref>
::::well, the ideological categories actually work fairly well, for systemic reasons, but... at any rate, years would be a bit too precise, (many actual dates in antiquity are contested). eras would certainly work,though. something like this (using the categories that are currently in the article):
::::*Antiquity (100 BC or so and earlier)
::::**Hinduism
::::**Zoroastrianism
::::**Buddhism
::::**Taoism
::::**Confucionism
::::**Judaism
::::**Greek philosophy
::::*Expansionist period (up till, perhaps, the 15th century)
::::**Christian theology
::::**Mahayana Buddhism
::::**Advaita Hinduism
::::**Islam
::::**Sikhism
::::**Shinto
::::*Early modern (15th through 19th centuries)
::::**Utilitarianism
::::**Nihilism
::::**Bahai
::::**Liberalism (this is missing from the current line-up, but there's a bunch of stuff from Locke to Rousseau to Adam Smith that might be needed here)
::::*Modern (late 19th century on)
::::**Pragmatism
::::**Existentialism
::::**Humanism
::::**Scientistic
::::***Evolutionary or species oriented
::::***Positivism
::::***Psychological (scientific)
::::**Post-modern perspectives (another missing element)
::::***Language theorists
::::***Deconstructivism
::::**Psychological (pop)
::::***multiple categories
::::**Modern spiritualism (Tolle, Wilber, Ramakrishna, Krishnamurti, etc.)
::::we could play around with sub-grouping: that's easiest in the 'modern' category (where I've done a bit of it), but gets hairy in the others. there's also an issue that something like Buddhist or Christian philosophy is intended as a timeless universal - many buddhists and Christians would consider their beliefs 'modern day' beliefs rather than old beliefs.


The 2005 ''[[Terminator 2: Infinity]]'' comic book series by [[Dynamite Entertainment]] (a sequel to ''Rise of the Machines'') depicts Connor in [[July 17]] [[2009]]. [[Kate Brewster]] died the year before, and he is aided by a future Terminator named Uncle Bob. They create a homing signal to bring together other human survivors, beginning the resistance.<ref>{{Comic book reference | writer = [[Simon Furman]] | title = [[Terminator 2: Infinity]] | publisher = [[Dynamite Entertainment]] | issue = 1-5 | date = July-November 2005}}</ref>
::::ponder that for a bit, and in the meantime I'll try to whip up a "what is the search for the meaning of life?" section. --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 04:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


===Games===
:::::[1] I'm not convinced yet that a "what is the search for the meaning of life?" section is a good idea. I'll be surprised if you can say anything that does not require philosophical presuppositions that are better left to discussion in the context of the various approaches in subsections.
{{See also|List of Terminator computer and video games}}
The franchise has been expanded with many [[Video game|computer and video games]] and other game types, where many are concerned mainly with the future war, rather than the time travel.


*''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day (video game)|Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' (1991, [[Amiga]], [[Atari ST]], [[Commodore 64]], [[DOS]], [[Game Boy]], [[Game Gear]], [[Sega Mega Drive|Sega Genesis]], [[Nintendo Entertainment System|NES]], [[Sega Master System]], [[Super Nintendo Entertainment System|SNES]], [[ZX Spectrum]])
:::::[2] Four major temporal categories seems much better than three. Good proposal. Perhaps last one should be "Modern/contemporary" or "Modern and contemporary". In my view, separating these would not be good (what would you do with science, a modern approach with enormous influence up to the present?)
*''[[The Terminator (video game)|The Terminator]]'' (1990/1991/1992/1993, [[Sega CD]], SNES, [[Game Boy]], DOS, Genesis, Game Gear, NES)
*''[[Terminator - LCD Video Game]]'' (1991, Tiger Electronics)
*''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day (arcade game)|T2: The Arcade Game]]'' (1992, [[Arcade game|Arcade]], Amiga, DOS, Game Boy, Genesis, Game Gear, Sega Master System, SNES)
*''[[Terminator 2029]]'' (1992, DOS)
*''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Chess Wars]]'' (1993, DOS)
*''[[Robocop versus The Terminator]]'' (1993, Game Boy, Game Gear, Genesis, Sega Master System, SNES)
*''[[The Terminator: Rampage]]'' (1993, DOS)
*''[[Terminator: Future Shock]]'' (1995, DOS)
*''[[Terminator: SkyNET]]'' (1996, DOS)
*''[[The Terminator Collectible Card Game]]'' (2000 [[trading card game]] produced by [[Precedence Entertainment]])
*''[[The Terminator: Dawn of Fate]]'' (2002, [[PlayStation 2]], [[Xbox]])
*''[[Terminator 3: War of the Machines]]'' (2003, [[Microsoft Windows|Windows]])
*''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (video game)|Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' (2003, PlayStation 2, Xbox, [[Game Boy Advance]] [[Mobile Phones]])
*''[[Terminator 3: The Redemption]]'' (2004, [[Nintendo GameCube]], PlayStation 2, Xbox)
*''[[The Terminator (mobile game)|The Terminator]]'', (2003 game for [[mobile phone]]s)
*''[[The Terminator: I'm Back!]]'', (2004 sequel for mobile phones)
*''[[Terminator (2009 video game)|Terminator 4: The Video Game (working title)]]'', (2009, Playstation 3, Wii, XBOX360, n/a)


===Attractions===
:::::[3] The words "scientism" and "scientistic" have been used pejoratively in most things I've read, such as an application of science outside its proper bounds to try to make philosophical claims which themselves are not in fact scientific. They might be aptly applied to some of the treatment of biology and physics and especially of science of mind as it currently exists in the article, but I think it is very important not to apply this label to scientific psychology, which studies what people think and experience regarding meaning and life satisfaction (and factors that impact or are impacted by these). I think there is enough material for a "Scientific findings" section; perhaps this should be strictly science, and perhaps philosophical arguments based (in part) on scientific findings should be in a separate section.
*''[[T2 3-D: Battle Across Time]]'', at [[Universal Orlando]] and [[Universal Studios Hollywood]], which was co-written by [[James Cameron]].
* Terminator: The Ride, at [[Six Flags]] [[Magic Mountain]]. A [[wooden coaster]] set to open 2009, in promotion for [[Terminator Salvation]]


==Related==
:::::[4] A small point, but I don't like the heading "Psychological (pop)". Pop psychology needs to be clearly distinguished from scientific psychology. It ought to be called "Pop psychology" if it even deserves a presence outside the highly dubious "Popular views" section. Perhaps it could be combined with a section containing arguments/views based on science.
*[[Grandfather paradox]]


==References==
:::::[5] A significant development in Buddhist or Christian thought can be included in a later section - if it is in fact really significant. If not, perhaps a mention that adherents consider the views timeless would not be inappropriate. -'''[[User:DoctorW|<font color="#0000a0">Do</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DoctorW|<font color="#008040">c</font>]][[User_talk:DoctorW|<font color="#a00040">t</font>]][[User:DoctorW|<font color="#0000a0">or''W''</font>]]''' 18:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
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==External links==
(undent) DoctorW - I'm with you on points 2-5 (you're right, 'scientistic' is a wrong term, and pop-psych does need to be kept well separate). however, I think I can do a decent job with point 1 - here's a rough draft:
* [http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts_n_z.html Screenplays to the films]
{{quotation|Philosophical questions about the meaning of life ultimately stem from commonplace observations about the [[human condition]]. Human beings are commonly considered to be aware of their condition, and endowed with the capacity to consciously choose and to take action to pursue those choices. Yet - clearly - some human endeavors succeed and some fail, some result in positive experiences and some in misery, some are enduring and some transient, and all human endeavor seemingly ends at physical death. This observation has been captured in numerous philosophical writings, from [[Ecclesiaties]] and the [[Book of Job]] in Abrahamic traditions, to dharmic conceptions of [[karma]] and [[maya]], to a broad range modern and ancient philosophical works. The contrast between this fundamental belief in our ability to choose and act and the apparent vanity of all choice and action is a source of [[cognitive dissonance]] constantly confronted by philosophers and theologians, as well as people in ordinary life.
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Questions about the meaning of life, thus, are inevitably questions about the proper ways to choose and act in order to attain satisfying, enduring, successful results; and about which results are ''truly'' satisfying, ''truly'' enduring, and ''truly'' successful. Philosophical answers to this general question fall roughly into the following generic realms:
;Releasing control over action: This may be as simple as encouraging humility about human limitations, or as complex as suggesting deference or subservience to an overarching natural or divine order.
;Reevaluating or re-valuing results: Again, this may be a mere redefinition of priorities, or an abnegation of worldly desires in preference to an afterlife, to even a complete rejection of the contents of the world as meaningless or illusory.
;Purification of the self, or of intent, or of ideation, so that only 'correct' action can arise: This may be approached in purely pragmatic, context-dependent terms (as in normal concerns about how we can make our employment or relationships more meaningful), or as perfection of the inner self or spirit through rituals, prayer, or esoteric practices, or by the emulation of or identification with divinity.
Such questions, however, are strongly influenced by culture and regional influences, producing a broad variety of formulations.}}


{{Terminator}}
a bit [[wp:OR|OR]]-ish, yes, but to the point (hey, y'all asked for an expert... {{=)|biggrin}}). comments?
{{The Sarah Connor Chronicles}}
::I like where this is going, I like the idea of an intro with some bluelinks, it'll forewarn the reader a little bit that there's going to be a lot of pretty heavy stuff in this article. That example intro is a bit OR, and it may have a strong dose of the West in it, but it's moving in the right direction. I'm not sure how to say it, but it would be worthwhile to note to the reader that while there are some really old and well accepted viewpoints, there are new views every day. I'd like it to say something like that, but without inserting my own perspective too much, which is "Just wait and see". --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 22:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


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:::There is a formatting problem caused by the section heading "Historical perspectives" such that the entire article is under it. After thinking about it, however, I have a problem with the heading being there at all. Where do you put science? As was mentioned, some approaches with ancient origins think of themselves as modern or timeless. I think it's best to let the main sections stand on their own without overly highlighting the "historical" dimension of their origins, which is already significantly highlighted by the basic organizational structure.


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:::Also, I appreciate getting help from a philosophy expert, but I'm afraid the passage above really is [[WP:NOR|original research]]. An introduction will work if it can somehow lay out ''broad'' guidelines which do not align themselves with any of the particular approaches that might be taken to "meaning of life" (e.g., central questions are those dealing with free will vs. determinism) or philosophical conclusions or commitments ("Questions about the meaning of life, thus, are inevitably questions about the proper ways to choose and act"). Psychologists, for example, are (as much as possible) careful ''not'' to have such stakes claimed (no matter how reasonable or well-argued they may seem) in the foundations of their approach, unless addressing a specific theory. A ''brief'' and ''descriptive'' overview of major types of approaches, and/or major issues typically dealt with (not because OR concluded thus, but because it's already there historically) might work if it can avoid these pitfalls. It might not be natural for an expert philosopher to strip out almost all philosophizing; on the other hand it might be a worthy challenge! -'''[[User:DoctorW|<font color="#0000a0">Do</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DoctorW|<font color="#008040">c</font>]][[User_talk:DoctorW|<font color="#a00040">t</font>]][[User:DoctorW|<font color="#0000a0">or''W''</font>]]''' 19:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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::::strip out philosophizing??!?! AAAaaahhhh, you're killing me! Et tu, Bruté!!! {{=)|wink}} No, I know that was too much (which is why I posted it here rather than editing it in). I was hoping it might serve as a guide (or at least an inspiration) for what a section like that might deal with. most of the OR is in the second paragraph - the first is fairly self-evident and supportable - but... lets see if we can make anything useful out of it.

::::and yeah, the structural revisions you made are better - lumping everything under 'history' was odd. --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 21:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I dunno, that first one sounds a bit existential to me. I think we would be better off trying to brainstorm a list of major themes like ethics, beliefs, metaphysics, goals, rituals and such. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 02:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

*(Outdent) Continuing on the same theme I was thinking last night, in which areas of life is the meaning of life supposed to clear things up? --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 17:28, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:Nick, I'm not sure that's quite the right way to phrase the question. questioning the meaning of life is usually a response to some sort of trial or tribulation. people try to find broader meanings when they can't make sense of their lives in any narrower way. the big, philosophical 'Meaning of Life' things arise as philosophers try to generalize that simpler questioning to the entire world. so, you get Plato saying that everyone should be placed by a philosopher king into their own best slot in society; Buddha saying that everyone should give up attachments to the 'things' of the world, because attachments cause misery; nihilists saying that we should give up the very idea that life ''has'' a meaning; some pop-psych gurrhoid saying we should drink beet juice and love our partners unconditionally... part of the problem is that the problem is not clearly defined, and so almost anything can be proposed as the cure-all. in other words, the 'meaning of life' thing can be used to try and clear up any particular thing in our lives, or to clean up everything.

:but major theme-wise... if we stick to just 'grand' theory, I think the following covers it (though the labels are open to change, and they are not necessarily exclusive; and this is really just an expansion of the above into categories...):
:*hedonism - finding meaning in sensory experience (might be split as follows)
:**immediate experience for short-term gratification
:**long-term creation of an aesthetically pleasing life
:*idealism - focusing on and pursuing some perfect, ideal state (might be split as follows)
:**purification/renunciation
:**imitation/emulation
:*civicness - creating a neighborly, loving, trouble free society (might be split as follows)
:**universalist love or respect
:**moral structures and codes
:*liberation - freedom from (***) that allows one to live an 'authentic' or 'natural' life (might be split as follows)
:**'true' liberation
:**submission to a natural or divine order
:does that get us anywhere? --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 20:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Just as I suspected, the easiest way to get the right answer is to suggest the wrong one. That's all good stuff, because it shows us places where the meaning of life would have influence in an individuals everyday life. Consider something like this:
{{quotation|The '''meaning of life''' is a philosophical question concerning the [[purpose]] and [[Intrinsic value (ethics)|significance]] of [[human]] [[existence]]. It has been the subject of much [[philosophy|philosophical]], [[science|scientific]], and [[theology|theological]] speculation throughout history, resulting in a wide range of different views. The meaning of life is intertwined with many concepts, such as [[happiness]], [[life goals]], [[ethics]], [[freedom]], and [[fate]].}}

::::Clearly a rough first attempt, but I think this article needs a few quick sentences that can law out the ideological landscape for the reader, so when they read through different perspectives, they can begin to see some common themes emerge. By pointing out all the areas where the meaning of life matters (or would influence actions/way of life), the reader can better translate the text into this article into real life. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 20:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::[Edit conflict with NickPenguin]
:::::[Response to Ludwigs]: Yes, I think it does (get us somewhere). I think this could be an excellent basis for an introduction if made into concise prose. It organizes the territory for the reader (an advantage of the thematic organizational presentation of the whole article without its fatal pitfalls), so we get the best of both worlds. No implication need be present that a category or the group of categories is comprehensive, or that categories or subcategories are exclusive. It can just be like a tour guide pointing out the types of approaches as broad themes.

:::::This also avoids the problem of the article itself seeming to make philosophical commitments such as asserting that "questions about the meaning of life ultimately stem from...", that they result from trial or tribulation, or conflict between ideal and reality, etc., however self-evident and reasonable these may seem. My own background is weighted toward East Asian thought, and I'm not entirely comfortable with what feels like an analytical, Western approach even in the first paragraph. That's not to say that something can't be made out of it, but I ''really'' like the idea of giving an overview in terms of categories.

:::::Sorry about the stabbing Ludwigs. I know I got you where it hurts. -'''[[User:DoctorW|<font color="#0000a0">Do</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DoctorW|<font color="#008040">c</font>]][[User_talk:DoctorW|<font color="#a00040">t</font>]][[User:DoctorW|<font color="#0000a0">or''W''</font>]]''' 21:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::LOL - no worries. I've known for a LONG time that my brain tends to float like a butterfly (and sometimes sting like a bee, apologies to MA). the way I figure it (like Nick said above) sometimes you just have to say something to get things moving, and trust the rest of the world to bring it back to reality. {{=)}}. ok, let me see if I can turn the above into a nice concise thing (unless one of you wants to tackle it) and we'll put it up and work with it. --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 21:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

*Since we have divided this page up into different ages, it would make sense to do a brief historical writeup for each section. Introduce the reader not only to the theories, but also hit some major cultural landmarks at the time. I think this would also be a way to integrate the science section, and if we're lucky, the pop culture section as well. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 01:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== list in lead ==

Nick, the addition of that long list with references ion the lead looks ugly as sin. there has got to be a better way to do that. maybe a short list of questions (2-4), without the refs? --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 01:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:It was like that for a couple of months, at least. Change it to whatever you think is better, I just wanted to see some sourced content in the intro. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 01:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Terminator franchise
Created byJames Cameron
Original workThe Terminator
Print publications
Novel(s)T2: Infiltrator
ComicsRoboCop versus The Terminator
Superman vs. The Terminator: Death to the Future
Aliens versus Predator versus The Terminator
Films and television
Film(s)The Terminator
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
Terminator Salvation
Television seriesTerminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
Games
Video game(s)List of Terminator computer and video games

The Terminator series is a franchise encompassing a series of science fiction films and ancillary media concerning battles between Skynet's artificially intelligent machine network, and John Connor's Tech-Com forces and the rest of the human race. Skynet's most well-known products in its genocidal goals are the various terminator models, such as the original "Terminator" character, portrayed by Arnold Schwarzenegger in three films.

Films

The Terminator

Main article: The Terminator

The Terminator is a 1984 science fiction film written and directed by James Cameron and starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, and Michael Biehn. It is the first work in the Terminator franchise. In the film, machines take over the world in the near future, directed by the artificially intelligent computer Skynet. With its sole mission to completely annihilate humanity, it develops cyborg assassins called Terminators that look exactly like humans. A man named John Connor starts the Tech-Com resistance to defeat them and free humanity. With a human victory imminent, the machines' only choice is to send a terminator back in time to kill John's mother, Sarah, before he is born, preventing the resistance from ever being founded. With the fate of humanity at stake, John sends soldier Kyle Reese back to protect his mother and ensure his own existence.

Terminator 2: Judgment Day

Main article: Terminator 2: Judgment Day

Terminator 2: Judgment Day is the 1991 sequel to the original Terminator film, written, directed, and produced by James Cameron and starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, Edward Furlong, and Robert Patrick. After the machines failed to prevent John Connor from being born, they try again, this time attempting to kill him as a child with a more advanced terminator, the T-1000. As before, John sends back a protector for his younger self, a reprogrammed Terminator, identical to the one from the previous film. After ten years of preparing for the future war, Sarah decides to use the same tactics the machines used on her: prevent Skynet from being invented by destroying Cyberdyne Systems before they create it.

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines

Main article: Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is the 2003 sequel to Terminator 2, directed by Jonathan Mostow and starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Nick Stahl, Claire Danes, and Kristanna Loken. As a result of the destruction of Cyberdyne at the end of T2, the Skynet takeover has been postponed, not averted. In a last attempt to ensure a machine victory, a new terminator, the T-X, is sent back to kill as many lieutenants as possible, including John Connor and his future wife Kate. After the future Connor is terminated by an identical model to his previous protector, Kate reprograms it and sends it back to save them both from the T-X.

Terminator Salvation

Main article: Terminator Salvation

Terminator Salvation is the upcoming fourth installment to the Terminator film series, scheduled to be released on May 22, 2009.[1] It is written by David Campbell Wilson, John Brancato, and Michael Ferris, directed by Joseph "McG" McGinty Nichol,[2] and stars actor Christian Bale as John Connor.[3] Anton Yelchin is playing a young Kyle Reese, who befriends Marcus, an early Terminator.[4] Sam Worthington is playing Marcus; he was personally recommended to McG by Terminator creator James Cameron.[5] Josh Brolin and Mariusz Pudzianowski have been mentioned in a possible role as the Terminator.[6][7] Moon Bloodgood is playing the female lead of the film, Blair Williams. She will play "a no-nonsense and battle-hardened member of the resistance".[8][9] Shooting of the film began on May 5, 2008 in Albuquerque, New Mexico.[10] Stan Winston was to have supervised the visual effects.[11]

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

Main article: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

A television series titled Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles airs on the FOX network, with Lena Headey as Sarah Connor and Thomas Dekker as John Connor. The series, created by Josh Friedman, centers on Sarah and John after Terminator 2 as they try to "live under the radar" after the explosion at Cyberdyne. Summer Glau plays a female Terminator protecting the Connors. Executive producer James Middleton confirmed in Variety that the series will contain a link to Terminator 4.[12] However, McG later clarified in an interview that show creator Josh Friedman "was the first to jump on and say we can't chase their story threads."[13]

Cast and characters

Character Media
The Terminator Terminator 2: Judgment Day Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Terminator Salvation
The Terminator Arnold Schwarzenegger   Roland Kickinger
Kyle Reese Michael Biehn1   Jonathan Jackson2 Anton Yelchin
Sarah Connor Linda Hamilton   Lena Headey  
Peter Silberman Earl Boen Bruce Davison3  
John Connor   Edward Furlong4 Nick Stahl Thomas Dekker5 Christian Bale
T-1000   Robert Patrick  
Miles Dyson   Joe Morton   Phil Morris  
Kate Brewster   Claire Danes   Bryce Dallas Howard
T-X   Kristanna Loken  
Cameron Phillips   Summer Glau  
Derek Reese   Brian Austin Green6  
Cromartie   Owain Yeoman
Garret Dillahunt 		 
Marcus[4][5]   Sam Worthington
Barnes[14]   Common

Template:Fnb A vision of Reese appears only in the extended cut of T2.

Template:Fnb Skyler Gisondo portrays an eight-year-old Kyle Reese and another young actor, who is uncredited, plays a four-year-old Kyle Reese on the episode "What He Beheld".

Template:Fnb He is credited as Dr. Silverman in the series but referred to as Silberman by the characters and in writing.

Template:Fnb Michael Edwards plays an older John Connor in a brief, nonspeaking role, and Dalton Abbot plays the infant John Connor.

Template:Fnb John DeVito plays a younger John Connor in a brief, nonspeaking role on the flashback scene of the episode "Queen's Gambit".

Template:Fnb Ryan Kelley plays a fifteen-year-old Derek Reese on " What He Beheld" and another young actor, who is uncredited, as an eleven year old Derek on the same episode.

Other media

There have been several book series and graphic novels associated with the Terminator series. The films have been novelized as well.

Books


Stirling, Blackford and Allston's individual series are of separate continuity. Tiedemann's novel follows on from Blackford's.

Comics and graphic novels

In 1988, NOW Comics published an ongoing series with John Connor as the main character in 2029, after sending Kyle Reese back to 1984 to protect his mother. The seventeen issue series was followed by two limited series.[15][16][17]

Dark Horse Comics acquired the rights in 1990 and published The Terminator (titled Tempest in trade paperbacks to distinguish itself), where a group of human soldiers and four Terminators come to the present, to respectively kill or protect the developers of Skynet. One of the Terminators is Dudley, a human doctor with cybernetic implants, and he betrays his group as he feels he can make a difference in the past.[18] In the following year's sequel Secondary Objectives, the surviving Terminator leader, C890.L, is reprogrammed to destroy another Terminator sent to aid him and kill Sarah Connor.[19] In the immediate follow-up The Enemy Within, C890.L rebuilds and modifies himself to become more dangerous than ever, while a team of human assassins attempt to return to the past and kill a Skynet developer.[20] The 1992 Endgame concludes this arc, with human colonel Mary Randall, having lost Dudley and her soldiers in the final battle with C890.L, protecting Sarah Connor as she goes into labor. Sarah gives birth to a girl named Jane, whose future leadership means Skynet is quickly defeated and never develops time travel.[21]

Dark Horse published a 1992 one-shot written by James Dale Robinson and drawn by Matt Wagner. It followed a female Terminator and a resistance fighter battling for the life of another Sarah Connor: Sarah Lang, who has married artist Michael Connor and intends to kill him for his money.[22] The following year they published the limited series Hunters and Killers, set during the war, where special Terminators with ceramic skeletons and genuine organs are created to impersonate leaders in the Russian resistance.[23] Another limited series was published in 1998, focusing on the misadventures of two malfunctioning Terminators in Death Valley. They kill a man named Ken Norden, mistaking his wife Sara and son Jon for the Connors.[24] This set up the following year's comic The Dark Years, where Jon Norden fights alongside John Connor in 2030. In The Dark Years, another Terminator is sent to eliminate John and his mother in 1999.[25]

Terminators have crossed over with RoboCop, Superman and Alien vs. Predator. In the 1992 RoboCop versus The Terminator and 2000 Superman vs. The Terminator: Death to the Future, the heroes must prevent the war ravaged future.[26][27] In 2000 Dark Horse also published Alien versus Predator versus The Terminator, where Skynet, who went dormant after Connor defeated them, have returned and are creating an Alien-Terminator hybrid. The Ellen Ripley clone (from Alien: Resurrection) and the Predators join forces to stop them.[28]

Malibu Comics published twin series in 1995. One was a sequel to Terminator 2: Judgement Day, where Sarah and John encounter two T-800s and a female T-1000. The other was a prequel exploring how Connor sent Reese and the T-800 back in time, and the creation of the T-1000 (which took its default appearance from a captive soldier). The conclusions of both series were published in one issue.[29][30]

Beckett Comics published three series to promote Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, each consisting of two issues.[31][32][33]

The 2005 Terminator 2: Infinity comic book series by Dynamite Entertainment (a sequel to Rise of the Machines) depicts Connor in July 17 2009. Kate Brewster died the year before, and he is aided by a future Terminator named Uncle Bob. They create a homing signal to bring together other human survivors, beginning the resistance.[34]

Games

See also: List of Terminator computer and video games

The franchise has been expanded with many computer and video games and other game types, where many are concerned mainly with the future war, rather than the time travel.

Attractions

Related

References

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