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{{Infobox animanga/Header
| name = Crayon Shin-chan
| ja_name = クレヨンしんちゃん
| ja_name_trans = Kureyon Shin-chan
| genre = [[Comedy]], [[Slice of life story]]
}}
{{Infobox animanga/Manga
| author = [[Yoshito Usui]]
| publisher = {{flagicon|Japan}} [[Futabasha]]
| publisher_other = {{flagicon|Malaysia}} [[Comics House]] <br /> {{flagicon|Canada}} {{flagicon|USA}} formerly [[ComicsOne]], now [[CMX Manga]]<br /> {{flagicon|Germany}} [[Egmont Manga & Anime]]<br /> {{flagicon|Taiwan}} {{flagicon||Hong Kong}}[[Tong Li Comics]]<br /> {{flagicon|France}} Casterman<br /> {{flagicon|Italy}} {{flagicon|Spain}} [[Planeta DeAgostini]]
{{flagicon|India}} UTV (Unilazer) <br /> {{flagicon|Thailand}} N.E.D. <br /> {{flagicon|South Korea}} [[:ko:서울문화사|Seoul Media Group]]
| demographic = [[Seinen]]
| magazine = {{flagicon|Japan}} [[Weekly Manga Action]]<br />Manga Town
| first = 1990
| last =
| volumes = 47
}}
{{Infobox animanga/Anime
| director = Mitsuru Hongo (1992-1996)<br />[[Keiichi Hara]] (1996-2004)<br />Yuji Muto (2004-)
| studio = Shin'ei Doga
| licensor = {{flagicon|USA}} Vitello Productions<br /> {{flagicon|USA}} Phuuz Production<br /> {{flagicon|USA}} [[Funimation Entertainment]]
| network = {{flagicon|Japan}} [[Animax]], [[TV Asahi]]
| network_en = {{flagicon|USA}} [[Adult Swim]]<br />{{flagicon|United Kingdom}} [[Jetix (UK)|Jetix]] <br />
| network_other ={{flagicon|Chile}} [[Chilevision]] <br /> {{flagicon|Argentina}} {{flagicon|Mexico}} {{flagicon|Brazil}} [[Animax]]<br /> {{flagicon|Italy}} [[Italia 1]]<br /> {{flagicon|France}} [[Jetix]]<br /> {{flagicon|Galicia}} [[TVG]]<br />{{flagicon|Indonesia}} [[RCTI]] <br /> {{flagicon|Israel}} Arutz Hayladim<br /> {{flagicon|Netherlands}} [[Jetix]] <br /> {{flagicon|Spain}} [[Antena 3 (Spain)|Antena 3]], [[33 (television)|Canal 33]], [[Canal Sur 2]], [[Cartoon Network]] <br /> {{flagicon|India}} [[Hungama TV]]<br /> {{flagicon|Malaysia}} [[ntv7]]<br /> {{flagicon|Portugal}} [[Sociedade Independente de Comunicação|SIC]]<br /> {{flagicon|Poland}} [[Jetix]]<br /> {{flagicon|Germany}} [[RTL 2]], [[Jetix]]<br /> {{flagicon|South Korea}} [[:ko:투니버스|Tooniverse]], [[Seoul Broadcasting System|SBS]](formerly)<br /> {{flagicon|Taiwan}} [[Taiwan Television|TTV]], [[Chinese Television System|CTS]], [[Gala Television|GTV Entertainment]]<br/> {{flagicon|Belgium}} [[Kanaal 2]]<br/> {{flagicon|Philippines}} IBC 13<br/> {{flagicon|Canada}} [[Razer]]<br /> {{flagicon|Thailand}} Channel 3 (Thailand)|Channel 3
| first = [[April 13]], [[1992]]
| last =
| episodes = 600+
}}
{{Infobox animanga/Footer}}


{{nihongo|'''''Crayon Shin-chan'''''|クレヨンしんちゃん|Kureyon Shin-chan|also known as '''''Shin-chan''''' in the United States}} is a [[Japan]]ese [[manga]] and [[anime]] series written by [[Yoshito Usui]].
==Use in Bibliography==
I wanted to use this template in [[John Lister-Kaye#Bibliography|a bibliography]], on a page about the author, but, if the author's name is omitted, it produces results like:
: (1972) ''The White Island''. Longman. ISBN 0-582-10903-5.
when
: ''The White Island''. Longman (1972). ISBN 0-582-10903-5.
would be more appropriate, Is there a template to do the latter? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 15:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:What you are trying to do is not even part of the aims of this template (which is for ''citation''), there's nothing wrong with doing stuff manually sometimes ;-) [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 16:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
::Hence my asking for an ''alternative'' template. Using this (or a similar) template inserts [[COinS]] metadata, which is not present when the book is listed manually. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 16:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


''Crayon Shin-chan'' follows the antics of five-year-old Shinnosuke "Shin" Nohara and his parents, neighbors, and friends and is set in [[Kasukabe, Saitama|Kasukabe]], [[Saitama Prefecture]], [[Japan]].
:: Eh. Templates should always be preferred to doing things manually, for a variety of reasons. In this case, it sounds like the proposed template would provide exactly the same information as this one, except with three of the fields presented in a different order. That shouldn't be too difficult to do with an option, like {{tl|Cite journal}} has an option for whether or not to put quotes around the title:
::* {{cite journal |last=Smith |first=Joseph III |title=Last Testimony of Sister Emma |journal=The Saints' Herald |volume=26 |year=1879 |month=October |pages=289 }}
::* {{cite journal |last=Smith |first=Joseph III |title=Last Testimony of Sister Emma |journal=The Saints' Herald |volume=26 |year=1879 |month=October |pages=289 |quotes=no}}
:: — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 23:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


== Basic information ==
:::Not quite - for a bibliography on a page about the author, it's redundant to keep giving the author's name (I appreciate that the name needs to be included in COinS and any future microformatted metadata; though it should be acceptable to hide it with, say, CSS). See the example I gave, above, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Lister-Kaye&oldid=72432804 John Lister-Kaye], and compare the clarity of the bibilography with the redundancy in the adjacent list of references (specific edit cited, as I intend to merge those sections, soon). [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 10:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Crayon Shin-chan first appeared in a Japanese weekly magazine called ''[[Weekly Manga Action]]'', which is published by [[Futabasha]]. The anime Crayon Shin-chan has been on [[TV Asahi]] since [[April 13]] [[1992]], and has also been aired by Cartoon Network, the anime television network, [[Animax]] across Japan, Hungama TV in India, and in several other countries worldwide.


Many of the jokes in the series stem from Shin-chan's occasionally weird, unnatural and inappropriate use of [[language]], as well as from his inappropriate behavior. Consequently, non-Japanese readers and viewers may find it difficult to understand his jokes. In fact, some of them cannot be translated into other [[languages]]. In Japanese, certain [[set phrase]]s almost always accompany certain actions; many of these phrases have standard responses. A typical gag involves Shin-chan confounding his parents by using the wrong phrase for the occasion; for example, saying "Welcome back!" instead of "I am back!" when he comes home.
:::: It's still essentially the same thing, though. You're just removing the author and moving the date. An optional "biblio=yes" parameter to format the output should be what you want. Maybe want to think if other formats might be wanted, too, though. Also might want to look at {{tl|citation}}. — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 12:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


During the beginning of the series, the TV show was mostly based on the storyline in the comic books. As the show progressed, more and more episodes became [[Filler (media)|anime-original]].
:::::'' An optional "biblio=yes" parameter'' Yes, that looks good, thank you. I don't have the knowledge or skill to code that. Can you, or anyone, assist, please? ''Also might want to look at {{tl|citation}}'' Interesting, thanks - that might do the job for visual presentation, but has no COinS. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 13:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


== Characters ==
:::::: Before editing this template, we need to get a general agreement that this would be a good change.
{{main|List of Crayon Shin-chan characters}}
:::::: Yeah, {{tl|Citation}} needs a COinS, but it's a lot more complicated than these other ones. :-) I'll add it after I've added it to the others it can replace. — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 23:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


== English-language adaptations ==
::::::: Thank you. I'll try to be more patient ;-) [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 00:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
=== English anime ===
An English subtitled version of Crayon Shin-chan ran on [[KIKU-TV]] in [[Hawaii]] from [[April 1]], [[1993]] - [[December 1]], [[2001]]. [http://kikutv.com/shows/Japanese_Programs/Inactive/crayon_shinchan/index.html (1)]


==== Vitello/Phuuz Production ====
:::::::: Of course anyone else can add them, too. I'm not an expert or anything. :-) I just meant, "I'm planning to add them after blah blah". Doesn't mean someone else can't do it before I get around to it. — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 14:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The Shin-chan anime had an English dub produced by Vitello Productions in [[Burbank, California]] in 1994. The dub, with character names changed, ran on Fox Kids (now [[JETIX]]) in the [[United Kingdom]], and on [[RTÉ Two]] in the [[Republic of Ireland]] in the early 2000s. The dub is of American origin, with actors and actresses such as [[Kath Soucie]], [[Russi Taylor]], [[Grey DeLisle]], and [[Pat Fraley]] playing major roles (Soucie plays Shin himself, and his mother). Despite the American origin, this dub was never licensed in [[North America]], likely something to do with the large amount of content that would be considered questionable for children by American [[censors]]; although the dub is edited for content, many scenes—including the frequent appearance of Shin's naked [[buttocks]], humor relating to [[breast]]-size, [[transsexual]]ism and other sexual concepts—remain in the finished product. RTÉ Two has not shown the series since 2003, and Jetix only usually shows it as shorts in between programs, with even more edits. Vitello's dub was succeeded by Phuuz Entertainment inc. in 2003, which featured a new cast of voice artists.


==== English FUNimation version ====
(outdent)


[[FUNimation Entertainment]] has acquired the license for the Shin-chan anime in the US as of 2006. [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=8381] As per all international licenses for the series, TV Asahi remained a licensing partner for North America. The new dub received a month-long test run on [[Cartoon Network]] on the [[Adult Swim]] programming block. Season 1 returned to Adult Swim on April 9th, 2007, at a 12:30 am EDT timeslot. [http://www.adultswim.com/schedule/index.html]
Any progress? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 11:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


The new dub features a [[Texas]]-based cast of voice actors, and English scripts written by television writers [[Jared Hedges]], Joel Bergen, Alex Muniz, and a few part-time writers. Comic and television writers [[Evan Dorkin]] and [[Sarah Dyer]] also contributed to the early scripts (episodes 1-6 and 8) for polish/punch-up. The dub is directed by Zach Bolton, and occasionally [[Laura Bailey (voice actress)|Laura Bailey]].
;Nudge


FUNimation's dubbing of "Shin Chan" takes many liberties with the source material. Since most episodes do not feature extensive continuity, FUNimation has chosen to take advantage of this by producing episodes of the series out of their original order. As a result, characters such as Ai are introduced much earlier than in the series' original Japanese run.
What about using {{tl|pagename}} ? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 21:11, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


The FUNimation dub is adult-oriented, with many sexual references, dark humor, and references to current popular American culture, the latter of which makes the series appear to be set in the "present day" (2007), rather than in 1992 (the year the series was first broadcast in Japan). For example, in one scene, Ai and Penny argue over which one of them is [[Jessica Simpson]] (whose first album wasn't released until the late 90s) and which one is [[Ashlee Simpson]] (whose first album wasn't released until the early 2000s), which is very different from the original Japanese script that dealt with many social issues within Japan at the time. At least two episodes reference [[Rudy Guliani]] and his unsuccessful bid for President.
;Double nudge


The show also created new, previously non-existent backstories, as well as significantly different personalities for the characters, including, but not limited to, Penny Milfer's father (who has yet to appear in the series) being physically abusive toward both his wife and daughter, a running gag that the show uses for black humor. The Principal of Shin's school ("Super Happy Fun Time American School" in the dub) has also been substantially changed, becoming a half Gypsy, half Peruvian man with a complicated prior life that includes a stint as a magician, in which he accidentally killed/castrasted scores of audience members. Miss Polly, one of the teachers, has been rewritten as a kinky nymphomaniac, while Shin's schoolmate Georgie (Kazama in Japanese) has been turned into an absurdly hawkish conservative.
;-)


The use of modern American pop culture references to a show otherwise dated by the times was also used in Geneon's dub of the ''[[Lupin the 3rd]]'' 1977 series. Most episodes of the American dub have received a rating of TV-14, for its relatively strong suggestive dialogue (D) and coarse language (L). However, some episodes are rated TV-MA for more offensive language, stronger sexual dialogue, and objectionable humor/content deemed too strong for a TV-14 rating. Outlines of the episodes used by FUNimation can be found [http://tviv.org/Shin_Chan here].
: [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 21:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


FUNimation episodes are streamed online weekly at Adult Swim's free broadband service, [http://www.adultswim.com/video/index.html Adult Swim Video], although it is not available worldwide as the Internet Broadcasting rights prevent broadcasting to audiences outside of the continental US. Also, the tenth episode that was dubbed is available at AdultSwim.com for free as an interactive video. In addition to watching the episode, one can watch video commentary from the FUNimation staff, booth recordings, script comparisons, bios, show artwork, and other special features. [http://www.adultswim.com/ivc/shinchan/index.html The episode can be viewed here].
Another example of where this would be useful: [[De_Magnete#Editions]] — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 02:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


The first thirteen episodes were released on DVD May 13, 2008, by FUNimation Home Entertainment. Season 2 began airing on Adult Swim on April 12th, 2008, and continues with new episodes each week on Saturday Nights, while initially at 1:30-2:00 am ET/PT, it has since been moved to 11:00-11:30 pm ET/PT. However, this only lasted for two weeks and the show was pushed back to the midnight slot on August 9, 2008. As of September 13, 2008, the show has been pulled from the Adult Swim broadcast schedule, with six episodes in the season remaining. However, those episodes will still be shown online via Adult Swim Video.
===Edits===


=== English manga ===
I've requested help, at [[Wikipedia:Requested templates#Modify 'Cite book' for use in single-author bibliographies|Wikipedia:Requested templates#Modify 'Cite book']] [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 18:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
[[ComicsOne]] has translated ten volumes of Shin-chan into [[English language|English]] and released it in the [[United States]]. Occasional [[pop culture]] references familiar to Americans, such as [[Pokémon]] and [[Britney Spears]], were added to increase the appeal to American audiences. The comic is oriented to read left to right. Starting with the sixth volume, many of the names were changed to the ones used in the Phuuz English version of the anime, even though the anime never appeared in North America. This translation is rated Teen.


Since then, American publisher [[DrMaster]] took over the licenses of several manga series, including ''Crayon Shin-chan'', from ComicsOne. No new volumes of ''Crayon Shin-chan'' were released under the DrMaster imprint.
:Can you (and others as well) please confirm that the second line on [[User:Edene/Sandboxes/02]] is the expected result when <code>biblio=yes</code> is used?. Feel free to test the template on the [[User:Edene/Sandboxes/02/doc|doc page]] <span style="background:#CDF;width:4em;font:.9em;text-align:center;">[[User:Edene|<span style="color:#086;width:100%;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 4px">eDenE</span>]]</span> 14:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


On [[July 28]], [[2007]], DC Comics' manga division [[CMX (comics)|CMX]] announced the acquisition of the Crayon Shin-chan manga. The CMX version is rated Mature instead of Teen from ComicsOne, because there is no censorship in this version, and so there is nudity, sexual humor, and bad language.
::Thank you - that seems to work perfectly for single-author works, and the COinS tag is displaying correctly. I think it will be of great benefit. However, please note the multi-author version I have just added to your sandbox page. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 14:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


The first volume was released on [[February 27]], [[2008]], with uncensored art, and the style of jokes that frequent the Adult Swim dub, but with some throw backs to the original version, such as his original greeting. Unfortunately, cultural references which Comics One would normally pick up on and add footnotes to are generally glossed over in the CMX version. That is not to say the new version has been Westernized as much as given a simplified Japanese setting. While that might not affect the story, it might affect the enjoyment of a non-Japanese reader interested in gaining more insight into Japanese culture.
:::I've updated [[User:Edene/Sandboxes/02]] and coauthors show up as you requested. I'm not sure if that is (or there is) a proper way. In addition, I thought it might be better to use <code>hideauthor=yes</code> instead <code>biblio=yes</code>, because this is for a bibliography on a page about the author, not ''all'' bibliographies.<br />Regarding coauthors in COinS, the current template is neglecting coauthors in COinS. This is probably because COinS requires authors to be entered separately, i.e. <code>rft.au=Author1&amp;rft.au=Author2&amp;rft.au=Author3</code>, while this template is accepting coauthors in just one string. <span style="background:#CDF;width:4em;font:.9em;text-align:center;">[[User:Edene|<span style="color:#086;width:100%;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 4px">eDenE</span>]]</span> 19:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


== Shin-chan in other countries ==
::::Thank you. I'm happy for other editors to comment on the presentational; aspects; and hope they will. I'm not sure what to do about COinS, but will ask an expert to look by! [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 19:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Crayon Shin-chan is also very popular in many other countries, especially East Asian countries where many of the jokes can be translated (that is, if they aren't censored).


In [[China]], the show and title ''La Bi Xiao Xin'' ({{zh-tsp|t=蠟筆小新|s=蜡笔小新|p=''làbǐ xiǎoxīn''}}) can be viewed on local channels mostly uncensored and well translated. Despite the fact that legal DVD sets and comics are published, most manga/videos bought in China are counterfeits as with Shinchan merchandise. Shinchan merchandise are especially popular among teenagers who often have them as accessories. (eg. cell phone straps) His visage can also be seen next to [[Doraemon]], [[Garfield]], [[Pokémon]] and [[The Walt Disney Company|Disney]] characters in video and toy stores.
::::Anyone got any views? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 20:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


In [[Taiwan]], the publisher of Crayon Shin-chan is Tong Li Comics. A Chinese subtitled version of Crayon Shin-chan in Japanese premiered in Taiwan on [[ETTV]] on [[April 13]], [[1992]]
:::::Should I just request to replace this template with mine? Nothing will be affected by this change, and we can accomodate formats for <code>biblio=yes</code> if needed. Also, what do you think about changing <code>bibio</code> to <code>hideauthor</code>? or any better idea? <span style="background:#CDF;width:4em;font:.9em;text-align:center;">[[User:Edene|<span style="color:#086;width:100%;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 4px">eDenE</span>]]</span> 22:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


In [[Vietnam]], the series' first 5 books were released in July and August 2006. However, ''Crayon Shinchan'' received a bad reaction from the Vietnamese society due to some impertinent scenes contained within the books, especially the sex-related stories (starting from ''The Workers'' Newspaper).<ref>[http://www.nld.com.vn/tintuc/ban-doc/160634.asp NLĐO - Tre con se hoc tap gi o “Shin - cau be but chi”? ~ Trẻ con sẽ học tập gì ở “Shin - cậu bé bút chì”? - BẠN ĐỌC VIẾT<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> Even [[Vietnamese television|VTV]] (one of the two nationwide broadcasting systems) criticized the series on its main news program. Due to intense social pressure, Kim Dong publisher (distributor of ''Crayon Shinchan'' in Vietnam) must stop releasing the series.<ref>[http://www.suctrevietnam.com/Web/TinTuc/Content.aspx?distid=19217 Ngừng phát hành "Cậu bé bút chì"<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
::::::If the are no objections; please do. You might then want to notify [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (lists of works)]]. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] | [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy Mabbett]] 14:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


In [[South Korea]], the show and comics, titled 짱구는 못말려 (Jjanggu the Unstoppable, literally), are also tremendously popular. Shin-chan's name is changed into "Shin Jjanggu" (신짱구), which is coined by his original Japanese name and the Korean word "jjanggu" (짱구) for "protruding forehead." In Korea, the animated version is severely censored - compared to the original Japanese version. Most South Koreans consider it a kids' cartoon, since many toys and website games there center around 짱구 and is represented as an icon for childish fun there. Scenes revealing Shin-Chan's genitals are mostly censored, with exception to few scenes in which exposure is inevitable, and only few scenes with his buttocks shown remain. Some episodes explicitly displaying adult material are censored, and all mature-themed jokes in the original Japanese version are dubbed into rated-G jokes in Korean to make the series more suitable for children, who were considered the main audience for the show in Korea. However, the comic book version is mostly uncensored, labeled as "for 19 or above."
== template error: editor ==


Shin-chan is one of the most popular anime characters in [[Indonesia]]. The Indonesian actor who dubbed Shin-chan's voice (a man aged about twenty but looks like a 12 year old because of a genetic defect), Ony Syahrial, has released multiple records and is even said to resemble Shin-chan. The anime itself was extremely popular yet controversial. It is the first animated show to have a BO (an Indonesian equivalent to the [[United States]] rating "PG"). All the dubbers of the anime found success thanks to the show.
i think something has gone wrong with the ''editor'' field..


Shin-chan found a devoted following in [[Spain]], where the show is broadcast through [[Cartoon Network]], [[Antena 3 (Spain)|Antena 3]] and several autonomic channels in four different languages: [[Catalan language|Catalan]], [[Euskara]], [[Galician language|Galician]] and [[Castilian language|Castilian]]/[[Spanish language|Spanish]]. The show is uncensored, and in Barcelona (for instance) you can see children wiggling their buttocks and saying "Culet! Culet!" (in the show, Shin Chan says "Buttocks! Buttocks!" when he performs his trademark buttock dance) and is slowing replacing Dragon Ball as an iconic Japanese reference for younger people. Additionally many food products (candies, doughnuts and so on) use Shin Chan on the product packaging. It has proved so successful that several Shin-chan movies have seen a theatrical release nationwide. Also, [[Spain]] is the only country outside [[Japan]] where a [[Game Boy Advance]] game [http://es.atari.com/index.php?pg=product&id=159] based in the character was released (in 2005 by publisher [[Atari]]), with a sequel to follow in Q3 2006 [http://es.atari.com/index.php?pg=product&id=223]. Despite its success, some TV channels had to move the show to night programming or drop it completely after complaints by parents associations who claimed Shin-chan was not appropriate for children, the biggest followers of the show. [[Yoshito Usui]] visited Barcelona in 2004 in order to promote the Spanish release of the manga, when the show was already airing on Catalonia's public television channel [[TV3 (Catalonia)|TV3]]. Usui was so impressed by Shin-Chan's popularity he decided to thank his Spanish followers [http://blogs.periodistadigital.com/periodismo.php/2006/04/28/shin_chan_el_heroe_de_la_television_infa] by making an episode that takes place in Barcelona. A curious fact is that the episode is extremely accurate to real life Barcelona (Taxi cabs are in the same specific livery as you can find them in Barcleona) making the episode quite interesting.
|editor=Bill Shakespeare '''shows ''' "in Bill Shakespeare:"


The show is also very popular in the [[Netherlands]]. Since its start in 2003 on the local [[Fox Kids]] / [[Jetix]] channel, it was - at first - mostly popular among kids aged 6-12, but not much later also got started a huge following among teens and even young adults. Due to the many sexual jokes and naked buttocks (even though in an edited and sometimes even censored form), and Fox Kids / Jetix being mainly a kids channel, the broadcaster started getting complaints from parents. Putting the facts together that the show appealed to an almost completely different target group, and the many complaints from parents, the channel reduced the amount of airing slots to once or twice a week. Then soon after to one episode short (ten minutes) a week, before being completely fased out. Shins popularity remains, but adult and teen oriented channels remain hesitant of airing the series, due to cartoons having a reputation in the Dutch culture as being 'just for kids', no matter if there's sexual content or not.
...i think ''editor'' may be switched with ''edition'' in the template. --[[User:emerson7|emerson7]] | [[User talk:emerson7|Talk]] 04:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
: It was added by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACite_book&diff=109680083&oldid=104091703 this edit.] It seems intentional, but it may not be appropriate for some ways the "editor" field is used, for instance a work edited posthumously. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 12:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


In [[Malaysia]], Shin-chan's comic is titled as ''Dik Cerdas'', which roughly means "brilliant kid". Shin-chan's voice in the Malay language version of the anime is voiced by a 15-year-old. Like in South Korea, pictures revealing Shin-Chan's genitals were all censored by cutting the scenes. Mandarin versions however, are not as heavily censored. They are rarer, however and can only be found in places with high Chinese speaking populations.
:I think it would look better if it said
:: in Billl Shakespeare (ed.): ''Collected Works of a Blacksmith''.
:Or something like that. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 14:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


This show was broadcast in the [[Philippines]], uncensored and dubbed in [[Filipino language|Filipino]]. Shin-chan was voiced by [[Andrew E.]], a local [[Rap music|rapper]] notorious for his suggestive lyrics. His mother is called "Carmen", his father was called "Bert", and his dog was named "Puti", which means white.
:: How would one use the templates to form a citation such as: Francis Bacon, ''Collected Works of a Blacksmith'' (ed. Bill Shakespeare)? [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 14:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


In [[Latin America]], Shin-chan was originally shown on Fox Kids / JETIX in 2003, but was later moved to a new channel at the time, [[Animax]], in mid-2005. There, the episodes are shown weekdays, 3 to 4 times a day, and are dubbed over the [[English language|English]] edited versions of the anime.
::: Right - these are different sorts of editors. The editor field here is set up for a compilation where each author is responsible for one piece (like an anthology of poetry) rather than for a critically-edited version of a monograph. I don't see any obvious way to make this template meet your request now that the word 'in' is there. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 15:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:::: Looks like the coauthors field is currently the best way to handle critical or posthumous editors of a single work. Perhaps the documentation should clarify that "editor" is for anthologies. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 15:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


In [[India]], Shin-chan is aired on [[Hungama TV]]. Shin-chan is growing in fame rapidly in India. Bō is renamed to Suzuki. To promote other shows on Hungama TV, the show parodies other shows like Doraemon, which airs just before Crayon Shin-chan. Because it is dubbed in Hindi, the Japanese songs are changed into popular [[Bollywood]] numbers. Hungama TV has started airing new episodes from 1st January, 2008. The Indian version is one of the closer versions to the original show because of little or no censorship in some later episodes. However, beer has been renamed to juice in later versions. Also, whenever Shin-chan gets naked, the groin area is either blurred by pixels or the screen is simply zoomed to the other side to remove the nakedness.
:::::Here is what we have right now.
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In [[Poland]], Shin-chan was aired on [[Fox Kids]] / [[Jetix]] at 11 P.M. in a Polish dub. The Polish version is based on American version and is uncensored.
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== Running times ==
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Crayon Shin-chan's running time varied over time. The show usually broadcasts in a 30-minute time frame but the actual running time is shorter than the time slot allots. When specials or movies are broadcast on TV, the running time is longer, varying from 1 hour to 2 hours.
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:::::I propose changing the template to produce this:
::::::Francis Bacon (1999). Bill Shakespeare (editor): ''Collected Works of a Blacksmith''.
::::::A. Poet (1999). "Ode to the moon". Big Shot (editor): ''Anthology of Poetry''.
:::::This means removing the word "in", adding "(editor)", and adding a period after the "chapter" field. It makes the same syntax work for both types of citations. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 16:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::This doesn't work. (ed.) is already widely used, and all of them would break. Also, they are not always "editors", and it can't take into account multiple editors without complicated syntax. Additionally, "in" is more widespread in referencing styles (independently of the presence of (ed.)).[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 20:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


=== Japan ===
::::::::What about this, then?
{| class="wikitable"
:::::::::Francis Bacon (1999). Bill Shakespeare: ''Collected Works of a Blacksmith''.
|+ All the times listed here are in [[Japan Standard Time]].
:::::::::A. Poet (1999). "Ode to the moon". Big Shot: ''Anthology of Poetry''.
! width="20%"|Running Time !! width="15%"|Starting Date !! width="15%"|Ending Date !! width="50%"|Effects
::::::::This involved removing the word "in" and changing the comma after the chapter field to a period. That would be compatible with people who put (ed.) into the editor field themselves. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 15:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
|-
| 7:00 pm - 7:30 pm on Mondays || [[April 13]], [[1992]] || [[March 18]], [[1996]] || The beginning of Crayon Shin-chan show on television.
|-
| 7:30 pm - 8:00 pm on Fridays || [[April 12]], [[1996]] || [[March 17]], [[2000]] || Replacement of a low popularity show in the time slot, right after [[Doraemon]].
|-
| 7:30 pm - 7:54 pm on Fridays || [[April 14]], [[2000]] || [[March 22]], [[2002]] || Shortened running time in order to allow a longer running time for the next show, [[Music Station]]. Formerly, one episode out of the three was shortened significantly and the ending theme and new episode broadcast announcements were condensed together. Sometimes, the short episode was shown right before the opening theme. After a while, the show reduced to two episodes per broadcast and the ending theme and episode broadcast announcements were separated to restore into original run format.
|-
| 7:00 pm - 7:30 pm on Saturdays || [[April 20]], [[2002]] || [[September 13]], [[2003]] || Moved to Saturdays in order to allow the broadcasting of a new show, [[Atashin'chi]]. Since the running time increased, the number of episodes per broadcast increased from two back to three.
|-
| 7:00 pm - 7:28 pm on Saturdays || [[November 8]], [[2003]] || [[September 27]], [[2004]] || Shortened running time in order to allow a longer running time for the next show, [[Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo]]. During this time, there was no ending theme.
|-
| 7:30 pm - 7:54 pm on Fridays || [[October 22]], [[2004]] || <center>——</center> || Moved to replace [[Atashin'chi]] for other programs to broadcast in its time slot on Saturdays. The number of episodes per broadcast again decreased from three to two.
|}


=== India ===
:::::::::Are there any objections to the above suggestion? [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 15:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable"
|+ All the times listed here are in [[Indian Standard Time]].
! width="20%"|Running Time !! width="15%"|Starting Date !! width="15%"|Ending Date !! width="50%"|Effects
|-
|10:00 am - 10:30 am<br />3:00 pm - 3:30 pm<br />5:00 pm - 5:30 pm<br />10:30 pm - 11:00pm<br />Mondays through Fridays<br />1:30 pm on Sundays
| June 2006
| April 2007
| The beginning of Crayon Shin-chan show on Hungama TV in India. Re-runs are on weekends.
| January 2008
|-
| 7:00 am - 7:30 am<br />1:00 pm - 1:30 pm<br />3:00 pm - 3:30 pm<br />5:00 pm - 5:30 pm<br />7:30 pm - 8:30 pm<br />10:30 pm - 11:00 pm<br />Mondays through Fridays<br />2:30 pm - 7:30 pm on Saturdays<br />1:30 pm on Sundays<br />
| [[April 21]], [[2007]]
| [[January 1]], [[2008]]
| Airing of new episodes and increased number of time slots.
|}


=== United States ===
Not at all... I had the same issue with the current formulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fabartus#Not_ignoring_you... here] ande am dismayed this hasn't moved since the above posting date. (I'm in the midst of asking whether it's technically feasible to have a BOT hunt down cite book uses where the editor parameter is defined, given the above discussion.) Failing it's easy resolution, how about an '''editor2''' parameter without the damn preceding "in", AND why can't someone using it in such cases where it's needed provide the short word anyway? Or any necessary trailing punctuation (for all the curlicues just add limits and reduce general utility!) // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 03:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


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:The easiest way to track pages in Wikipedia is the 'What links here' feature. However, for that to work there must be links... so I updated the template to add a hidden link whenever the 'editor' parameter is set. It will take a while for the database to update to list all of the pages, but once it does you can just click on [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Cite book/editor]], to get a list of all pages using that parameter. Once the wording issues above are sorted out, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_book&diff=165602213&oldid=163491915 this edit] should be undone to remove the hidden links. --[[User talk:CBDunkerson|CBD]] 10:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
|+ All times listed here are [[Hawaii-Aleutian time zone|Hawaiian Standard Time]]
! width="200"|Running Time !! width="120"|Starting Date !! width="120"|Ending Date !! width="450"|Notes
|-
| 9:30 pm - 10:00 pm <br/>(Saturday)
| <center>[[April 4]], [[1993]]</center>
| <center>[[December 1]], [[2001]]</center>
| Subtitled run on [[KIKU-TV]], limited to station broadcast area in [[Hawaii]].<ref>[http://www.kikutv.com/shows/Japanese_Programs/Inactive/crayon_shinchan/index.html KIKU-TV] listing of Crayon Shin-chan in schedule archive</ref>
|}


{| class="wikitable"
==[[User:Shoons/Cite]]==
|+ All times listed here are [[North American Eastern Time Zone|North American Eastern Time]]
This [[Template:Cite book]] seems to be great. I wonder if we can integrate into one convenient [[Template:Cite]] instead of having several templates such as [[Template:Cite]] or [[Template:Cite video]]. Therefore I created [[User:Shoons/Cite]] so that everybody can use this convenient [[Template:Cite]]. My template is not great as this template, of course, at this point but if you aggree with me, we can upgrade it as good as this template. So please let me know what you think.--[[User:Shoons|Shoons]] 03:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
! width="200"|Running Time !! width="120"|Starting Date !! width="120"|Ending Date !! width="450"|Notes
|-
| 12:30 am - 1:00 am<br />Mondays through Thursdays<br />11:30 pm - 12:00 am on Saturdays
| <center>[[August 19]], [[2006]]</center>
| <center>[[September 9]], [[2006]]</center>
| Test run of American-dubbed Shin-chan on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim.
|-
| 12:30 am - 1:00 am <br />Mondays through Thursdays
| <center>[[April 9]], [[2007]]</center>
| <center>[[June 7]], [[2007]]</center>
| The beginning of Shin-chan show on Adult Swim - Season 1.
|-
| 11:30 pm - 12:00 am <br />Saturdays
| <center>[[June 9]], [[2007]]</center>
| <center>[[August 11]], [[2007]]</center>
| Season 1 replays.
|-
| 12:30 am - 1:00 am <br />Mondays through Friday
| <center>[[December 10]], [[2007]]</center>
| <center>[[February 15]], [[2008]]</center>
| The remainder of Shin-chan: Season 1. Replays of Season 1 thereafter.
|-
| 11:30 pm - 12:00 am <br />Saturdays
| <center>[[April 5]], [[2008]]</center>
| <center>[[April 26]], [[2008]]</center>
| Season 2 airs.
|-
| 1:30 am - 2:00 am <br />Saturdays
| <center>[[May 3]], [[2008]]</center>
| <center>[[July 19]], [[2008]]</center>
| Season 2 continues.
|-
| 11:00 pm - 11:30 pm <br />Saturdays
| <center>[[July 26]], [[2008]]</center>
| <center>[[August 2]], [[2008]]</center>
| Season 2 continues at earlier time, replacing [[Inuyasha]]. This only lasted for two weeks, however.
|-
| 12:00 am - 12:30 am <br />Saturdays
| <center>[[August 9]], [[2008]]</center>
| <center>[[September 6]], [[2008]]</center>
| The show gets pushed back to the midnight slot and Season 2 continues. After the September 6th airing, it has been pulled from the broadcast schedule with six episodes from Season 2 remaining. Those episodes will still be shown online on Adult Swim Video however.
|}


=== Canada ===
: Do you mean {{tl|citation}}? — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 23:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


{| class="wikitable"
::I did not know {{tl|citation}} exist. Now {{tl|citation}} does not do what I really want but I changed my mind. Thanks!--[[User:Shoons|Shoons]] 10:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
|+ All the times listed here are in [[North American Eastern Time Zone|North American Eastern Time]].
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| 01:30 am - 02:00 am<br />Saturday<br />
| [[March]], [[2008]]
|
| Season two
|}
Shin Chan is also aired on SIC channel in Portugal.


==Access date==
== Theme Songs ==
=== Opening Themes ===
Someone has pointed out that the template includes the access date, but I can't see whether it does or, if so, how to remove it. Can someone advise, please? Knowing when someone has looked at a book would never be relevant to a citation. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 19:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
* Japan
:I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_book&diff=126216143&oldid=125423592 made] the field only show when the ''url'' field is entered, per that comment as well as the existing documentation. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<font color="black">tariq</font><font color="gray">abjotu</font>]]''' 19:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
# {{nihongo|"The Zoo is a Nightmare"|動物園は大変だ|Dōbutsuen wa Taihen da}}
::Thanks, Tariq. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 20:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
#*[[April 13]], [[1992]] - [[September 21]], [[1992]]
Please contribute to this discussion at ''Citing sources'':
#*Lyricist: [[Yoshito Usui]] / Composer: Tetsuro Oda / Arranger: Masao Akashi / Singers: TUNE'S
[[Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Retrieval dates for online versions of old printed sources, again]] --[[User:EnOreg|EnOreg]] ([[User talk:EnOreg|talk]]) 16:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
#*Episode Range: 1-21
# {{nihongo|"The End of a Dream is Always an Eye-Opener!"|夢のENDはいつも目覚まし！|Yume no END wa Itsumo Mezamashi!}}
#*[[October 12]], [[1992]] - [[July 5]], [[1993]]
#*Lyricist: Daiko Nagato / Composer: Tetsuro Oda / Arranger: Takeshi Hayama / Singers: B.B.QUEENS
#*Episode Range: 22-57
# {{nihongo|"I am Super Popular"|オラはにんきもの|Ora wa Ninki Mono}}
#*[[July 12]], [[1993]] - [[September 25]], [[1995]]
#*Lyricist: Reo Rinozuka / Composer: Yasuo Kosugi / Arranger: Michiaki Kato / Singer: Shinnosuke Nohara ([[Akiko Yajima]])
#*Episode Range: 58-160
# {{nihongo|"Let's Go With Pakappo!"|パカッポでGO！|Pakappo de GO!}}
#*[[October 9]], [[1995]] - [[September 27]], [[1996]]
#*Lyricist: Poem-dan / Composer/Arranger: [[M.O.V.E.|Takashi Kimura]] / Singer: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima)
#*Episode Range: 161-202
# {{nihongo|"All Year Through Crazy For You - 'I Want You'"|年中夢中"I want you"|Nenjū Muchū "I want you"}}
#*[[September 11]], [[1996]] - [[March 20]], [[1998]]
#*Lyricist: C's / Composer/Arranger: Satoru Sugawara / Singer: Puppy
#*Episode Range: 203-268
# {{nihongo|"Fly Fly Ladies"|とべとべ おねいさん|Tobe Tobe Oneisan}}
#*[[April 10]], [[1998]] - [[May 26]], [[2000]]
#*Lyricist/Arranger/Composer: [[M.O.V.E.|motsu]] / Singers: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima) and Action Mask ([[Tesshō Genda]])
#*Episode Range: 269-358
# {{Nihongo|"The Song of No's"|ダメダメのうた|Dame Dame no Uta}}
#*[[June 2]], [[2000]] - [[January 11]], [[2003]]
#*Lyricist/Composer: LADY Q / Arranger: Toshiya Mori / Singers: LADY Q and Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima) and Misae Nohara ([[Miki Narahashi]])
#*Episode Range: 359-458
# "PLEASURE"
#*[[January 18]], [[2003]] - [[October 16]], [[2004]]
#*Lyricist: Chihiro Kurosu / Composer: Kaori Hosoi / Arranger: [[Nobuyuki Shimizu]] / Singer: [[Tomomi Kahala]]
#*Episode Range: 459-508
# {{nihongo|"Leisurely De-O!"|ユルユルで DE-O！|Yuruyuru de DE-O!}}
#*[[October 22]], [[2004]] - [[February 23]], [[2007]]
#*Lyricist: Yuji Muto / Composer/Arranger: Yasunari Nakamura / Singer: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima)
#*Episode Range: 509-594
# {{nihongo|"Leisurely De-O! Crayon Friends 2007 Version"|ユルユルで DE-O！ 2007クレヨンフレンズVersion|Yuruyuru de DE-O! 2007 Kureyon Furenzu Version}}
#*[[March 9]], [[2007]] - [[June 15]], [[2007]]
#*Lyricist: Yuji Muto / Composer: Yasunari Nakamura / Arranger: Takafumi Iwasaki / Singer: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima) and Crayon Friends from [[Akihabara48|AKB48]]
#*Episode Range: 595-602
# {{nihongo|"Leisurely De-O!"|ユルユルで DE-O！|Yuruyuru de DE-O!}}
#*[[June 22]], [[2007]] -
#*Lyricist: Yuji Muto/ Composer: Yasunari Nakamura / Arranger: Takafumi Iwasaki / Singer: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima) and Crayon Friends from [[Akihabara48|AKB48]]
#*Episode Range: 603-???


=== Ending themes ===
'''Consensus:''' We have a [[Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Hide the access date|consensus]] that ''access dates for online copies of offline sources, while helpful as a comment in the source, should be hidden from the reader''. Could somebody who is competent to adapt the citation templates please do so? The idea is to keep the access date as a template parameter but remove the code that displays it. Thanks, --[[User:EnOreg|EnOreg]] ([[User talk:EnOreg|talk]]) 09:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
*Japan
:And also modify the information page on cite book. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 09:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
# {{nihongo|"Sing a Song"|うたをうたおう|Uta o Utaō}}
::Right, I'll be happy to do that once the code has been updated. --[[User:EnOreg|EnOreg]] ([[User talk:EnOreg|talk]]) 09:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
#*[[April 13]], [[1992]] - [[September 21]], [[1992]]
:::I expect a lot of editors will wonder why it is not displaying, but it will help to give a clear description of the concept. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 09:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
#*Lyricist/Composer: Toshiyuki Arakawa / Arrangers/Singers: Daiji MAN Brothers Band
#*Episode Range: 1-21
# {{nihongo|"I Want to be Honest"|素直になりたい|Sunao ni Naritai}}
#*[[October 12]], [[1992]] - [[July 5]], [[1993]]
#*Lyricist/Composer/Singer: Hiromi Yonemura / Arranger: Itaru Watanabe
#*Episode Range: 22-57
#{{nihongo|"Why?"|DO-して|DO-shite}}
#*[[July 12]], [[1993]] - [[May 30]], [[1994]]
#*Lyricist: Yui Nishiwaki / Composer: Hideo Saito / Arranger: Hiroshi Shinkawa / Singers: [[Sakurakko Club|Sakurakko Club Sakura Gumi]]
#*Episode Range: 58-99
# {{nihongo|"Shin-chan [[Ondo (music)|Ondo]]"|しんちゃん音頭|Shinchan Ondo}}
#*[[June 6]], [[1994]] - [[August 29]], [[1994]]
#*Lyricist: Moichi Kato / Composers/Arrangers: Ozutairiku and Yasuhiko Hoshino / Singers: Yuko and Shinnosuke Nohara ([[Akiko Yajima]])
#*Episode Range: 100-112
# {{nihongo|"Party Join Us Daisakusen"|パリジョナ大作戦|Parijona Daisakusen}}
#*[[September 5]], [[1994]] - [[September 18]], [[1995]]
#*Lyricist: Marron Koshaku / Composer/Arranger: Takashi Kimura / Singers: Marron Koshaku and Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima)
#*Episode Range: 113-160
# "REGGAE"
#*[[October 9]], [[1995]] - [[May 24]], [[1996]]
#*Lyricist/Singer: KOTONE / Composers: KEISUKE and Yoichi Yamazaki / Arranger: Yuzo Hayashi
#*Episode Range: 161-188
# {{nihongo|"Shin-chan Ondo ~Dance With Me!~"|しんちゃん音頭～オラといっしょにおどろうよ!～|Shinchan Ondo ~Ora to Issho ni Odorō yo!~}}
#*[[June 7]], [[1996]] - [[September 13]], [[1996]]
#*Lyricist: Moichi Kato / Composers: Ozutairiku and Yasuhiko Hoshino / Arrangers: Daisaku Kume and Kiyohiko Semba / Singers: [[Haruo Minami]] and Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima)
#*Episode Range: 189-202
# {{nihongo|"Boys Be Brave"|BOYS BE BRAVE～少年よ勇気を持て～|BOYS BE BRAVE ~Shōnen yo Yūki o Mote~}}
#*[[October 11]], [[1996]] - [[September 26]], [[1997]]
#*Lyricists: Aki Okui and Lemon Saito / Composer/Singer: Aki Okui / Arranger: Akitoshi Onodera
#*Episode Range: 203-248
# {{nihongo|"The Night of Gently Falling Moonlight"|月灯りふんわり落ちてくる夜|Tsuki Akari Funwari Ochite Kuru Yoru}}
#*[[October 17]], [[1997]] - [[November 20]], [[1998]]
#*Lyricist/Composer/Arranger: RYUZI / Singer: Nanase Ogawa
#*Episode Range: 249-297
# {{nihongo|"I Love My Girl"|スキスキ♡マイガール|Sukisuki ♡ Mai Gāru}}
#*[[November 27]], [[1998]] - March 2000
#*Lyricist/Composer: KAORU / Arrangers: Tsuyoshi Yamanaka and L'luvia / Singers: [[L'luvia]]
#*Episode Range: 298-358
# {{nihongo|"Today I've Got a Date"|今日はデート|Kyō wa Dēto}}
#*[[June 2]], [[2000]] - March 2001
#*Lyricist/Composer: Ke-chan / Singer: Kamaboko
#*Episode Range: 359-397
# {{nihongo|"I Love All of You."|全体的に大好きです。|Zentai Teki ni Daisuki desu.}}
#*[[June 1]], [[2001]] - [[September 14]], [[2002]]
#*Lyricist/Composer: [[Tsunku]] / Arrangers: Yuichi Takahashi and Tsunku / Singers: Shekidoru
#*Episode Range: 398-451
# {{nihongo|"The Song of My Contract with My Mother"|ママとのお約束条項の歌|Mama to no Oyakusoku Jōkō no Uta}}
#*[[November 2]], [[2002]] - [[September 27]], [[2003]], [[October 16]], [[2004]]
#*Lyricists: [[Yoshito Usui]] and Yuri Asada / Composer: Yasuo Kosugi / Arranger: Hideo Saito / Singers: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima) and Misae Nohara ([[Miki Narahashi]])
#*Episode Range: 452-508
# {{nihongo|"The Ant Song"|ありの歌|Ari no Uta}}
#*[[October 22]], [[2004]] - [[December 16]], [[2005]]
#*Lyricist/Composer: Rio / Arranger: Papa Daisuke / Singers: Yanawarabaa
#*Episode Range: 509-552


*English
{{tlx|editprotected}}
# "Party Join Us"
All it takes is to comment out these lines:
#*Singer: [[Brina Palencia]]
<code>
#*Episode Range: 1-current
<nowiki>}}{{</nowiki>
#*(originally, the 5th ending song)
<nowiki>#if: {{{url|}}}{{{chapterurl|}}} | {{</nowiki>
<nowiki>#if: {{{accessdate|}}} | </nowiki>
<nowiki>. Retrieved on [[{{{accessdate}}}]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>| {{</nowiki>
<nowiki>#if: {{{accessyear|}}}</nowiki>
<nowiki>| . Retrieved {{</nowiki>
<nowiki>#if: {{{accessmonth|}}}</nowiki>
<nowiki>| on [[{{{accessmonth}}} {{{accessyear}}}]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>| during [[{{{accessyear}}}]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>}}}}</nowiki>
<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
</code>
--[[User:EnOreg|EnOreg]] ([[User talk:EnOreg|talk]]) 11:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:Commenting code out is poor form in my mind. Do you simply want that section removed? --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 17:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::I wrapped the "retrieved on..." phrase in a CSS class (<tt>reference-accessdate</tt>) like the other cite templates with this request, so it can be hidden in personal or sitewide CSS while still being visible to those who want to see it. See the centralised discussion linked to above for more details. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 18:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


== Movies ==
==Multiple citations of the same book==
*[[July 24]], [[1993]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: Action Kamen vs Haigure Devil|クレヨンしんちゃん アクション仮面VSハイグレ魔王|Kureyon Shinchan: Akushon Kamen tai Haigure Maō}}
Is there some way I can cite the same book more than once? I have written a number of articles on popular songs, citing Joel Whitburn's "Top Pop Records, 1940-55" for chart and label data. In many cases, the song charted in multiple versions, and I would like to cite it in each place where I refer to a version. But if I just put in <nowiki> <ref> {{Cite book ... }} </ref> </nowiki> at ''each'' place, it assigns a new number each time, and I get references 1, 2, 3, ... all alike. This is obviously not what I want, so I've had to put it in only at the first reference. -- [[User:BRG|BRG]] 20:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"I am an Eternal Child"|僕は永遠のお子様|Boku wa Eien no Okosama}}
:There are MANY ways to go about that. In your case, your problem is not with the template, but probably with the <nowiki><ref></nowiki> footnotes system. What you want too check is [[Wikipedia:Footnotes#Citing_a_footnote_more_than_once]].[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 20:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
**Lyricist: Shizuru Ohtaka / Composer: Osamu Masaki / Arranger: Yuzo Hayashi / Singer: Mew (Miyuki Kajitani)
*[[April 23]], [[1994]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: Treasure of Buri Buri Kingdom|クレヨンしんちゃん ブリブリ王国の秘宝|Kureyon Shinchan: Buriburi Ōkoku no Hihō}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"Promise to See You!"|約束See You！|Yakusoku See You!}}
**Lyricist: AIKO / Composer: Akira Shirakawa / Arranger: Mari Konishi / Singer: Kyoko Kishi
*[[April 15]], [[1995]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: Plot of Unkokusai|クレヨンしんちゃん 雲黒斎の野望|Kureyon Shinchan: Unkokusai no Yabō}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"Help Me Kesuta"|たすけてケスタ|Tasukete Kesuta}}
**Lyricist: Nozomi Inoue / Composer: Yasuo Kosugi / Arranger: Yuzo Hayashi / Singer: Sachiko Sugimoto
*[[April 13]], [[1996]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: Adventure in Henderland|クレヨンしんちゃん ヘンダーランドの大冒険|Kureyon Shinchan: Hendārando no Daibōken}}
**Theme Song: "SIX COLORS BOY"
**Lyricist: Makoto Asakura / Composer/Arranger: [[Daisuke Asakura]] / Singer: [[Akiko Hinagata]]
*[[April 19]], [[1997]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: Pursuit of the Dark Tama Tama|クレヨンしんちゃん 暗黒タマタマ大追跡|Kureyon Shinchan: Ankoku Tamatama Daitsuiseki}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|Himawari's House|ひまわりの家|Himawari no Ie}}
**Lyricist/Composer/Arranger/Singer: Kazuo Zaitsu
*[[April 18]], [[1998]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: Blitzkrieg! Pig's Hoof's Secret Mission|クレヨンしんちゃん 電撃！ブタのヒヅメ大作戦|Kureyon Shinchan: Dengeki! Buta no Hizume Daisakusen}}
**Theme Song: "PURENESS"
**Lyricists: IZAM, SAKA Chan / Composers: KUZUKI, SHAZNA / Arrangers: Nobuhiko Sato, Kazuhisa Yamaguchi, SHAZNA / Singers: [[Shazna|SHAZNA]]
*[[April 17]], [[1999]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: Boom! Exciting Battle at the Hot Spring/Kureshin Paradise! Made in Saitama|クレヨンしんちゃん 爆発！温泉わくわく大決戦／クレしんパラダイス！メイド・イン・埼玉|Kureyon Shinchan: Bakuhatsu! Onsen Wakuwaku Daikessen/Kureshin Paradaisu! Meido In Saitama}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"It's Good Hot Water"|いい湯だな|Ii Yu da na}}
**Lyricist: [[Rokusuke Ei]] / Composer: Taku Izumi / Arranger: Mumon Toyama / Singers: The Nohara Family & Onsen Wakuwaku '99
*[[April 22]], [[2000]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called Rumble in the Jungle|クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶジャングル|Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu Janguru}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"Goodbye Thank You"|さよならありがとう|Sayonara Arigatō}}
**Lyricist: [[Takashi Matsumoto (lyricist)|Takashi Matsumoto]] / Composer: Toshiaki Matsumoto / Arranger: Motoyoshi Iwasaki / Singer: Sachiko Kobayashi (Chorus: Otowa Yurikago-kai)
*[[April 21]], [[2001]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Adult Empire Strikes Back|クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ モーレツ！オトナ帝国の逆襲|Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu: Mōretsu! Otona Teikoku no Gyakushū}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"In Good Spirits"|元気でいてね|Genki de Ite ne}}
**Lyricist: Mitsuko Shiramine / Composer/Arranger: Motoyoshi Iwasaki / Singer: Sachiko Kobayashi
*[[April 20]], [[2002]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Battle of the Warring States|クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ アッパレ！戦国大合戦|Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu: Appare! Sengoku Daikassen}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"In Two Fantasies ~Girls Taking a Break During Phys. Ed.~"|二中のファンタジー～体育を休む女の子編～|Ni chū no Fantajī ~Taiiku o Yasumu Onnanoko Hen~}}
**Lyricist/Composer/Singer: [[Hideki Fujisawa|Dance☆Man]]
*[[April 19]], [[2003]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: Glorious Grilled Meat Road|クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ 栄光のヤキニクロード|Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu: Eikō no Yakuniku Rōdo}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"This Time is Definitely for Yakiniku"|こんな時こそ焼肉がある|Konna Toki Koso Yakiniku ga Aru}}
**Lyricist: Sayuri / Composer: Takafumi Iwasaki / Arranger: Hideo Saito / Singers: The Nohara Family All Stars ([[Akiko Yajima]], [[Miki Narahashi]], [[Keiji Fujiwara]], [[Satomi Koorogi]], [[Mari Mashiba]])
*[[April 17]], [[2004]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Kasukabe Boys of the Evening Sun|クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ！夕陽のカスカベボーイズ|Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu! Yūhi no Kasukabe Bōizu}}
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"Let Me Circle"|○（マル）あげよう|Maru Ageyō}}
**Lyricists: [[Teruyoshi Uchimura]] with Boon Companions and Emi Makiho / Composer/Arranger: Yasumasa Sato / Singers: [[No Plan|NO PLAN]]
*[[April 16]], [[2005]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: The Legend Called Buri Buri 3 Minutes Charge|クレヨンしんちゃん 伝説を呼ぶブリブリ 3分ポッキリ大進撃|Kureyon Shinchan: Densetsu o Yobu Buriburi: Sanpun Bokkiri Daishingeki}}
**Theme Song: "CraYon Beats"
**Lyricist/Singer: [[AI (singer)|AI]] / Composers: AI, Kenji Hino, DJ YUTAKA (813) / Arrangers: Kenji Hino, DJ YUTAKA (813)
*[[April 15]], [[2006]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: The Legend Called: Dance! Amigo!|クレヨンしんちゃん 伝説を呼ぶ 踊れ！アミーゴ！|Kureyon Shinchan: Densetsu o Yobu: Odore! Amīgo!}}
**Theme Song: "GO WAY!!"
**Lyricist/Singer: [[Kumi Koda]] / Composer/Arranger: Hiroshi Komatsu
*[[April 21]], [[2007]]: {{nihongo|Crayon Shin-chan: The Legend Called: The Singing Bomb|クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ 歌うケツだけ爆弾！|Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu: Utau Ketsudake Bakudan!}}
**Theme Song: "Cry Baby"
**Lyricist: Naoki Takada / Composers: Naoki Takada and Shintaro "Growth" Izutsu / Arranger: Shintaro "Growth" Izutsu / Singer: [[SEAMO]]
*[[April 19]], [[2008]]: クレヨンしんちゃん　ちょー嵐を呼ぶ　金矛の勇者
**Theme Song: {{nihongo|"Let's go as a popular person!"|人気者で行こう！|Ninkimono de Ikō!}}
**Singer: [[DJ OZMA]]


There have been other specials in which feature-length movies were broadcast on television rather than in theaters.
::Thank you. I think this is exactly what I need. -- [[User:BRG|BRG]] 14:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


== Voice actors ==
::I think the problem is with using these templates in the first place. Why not just assign the reference a name (ref name=xxx) and write the citation manually? Then the ref won't keep on repeating itself, and the text will be easier to read in edit mode, because the reader won't have to plough through all the unnecessary template text. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 20:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
=== Original japanese version (seiyū) ===
*[[Akiko Yajima]] - Shinnosuke "Shin-chan" Nohara
*[[Keiji Fujiwara]] - Hiroshi Nohara
*[[Miki Narahashi]] - Misae Nohara
*[[Satomi Koorogi]] - Himawari Nohara
*[[Mari Mashiba]] - Tooru Kazama, Shiro
*Chie Satō - Bo
*[[Teiyū Ichiryūsai]] - Masao Sato
*[[Yumi Takada]] - Midori Yoshinaga
*[[Tamao Hayashi]] - Nene Sakurada
*[[Michie Tomizawa]] - Ume Matsuzaka
*[[Tesshō Genda]] - Action Kamen
*[[Kaneto Shiozawa]] - Buriburizaemon (Until 2000)


=== English version ===
:::The templates have a few advantages of their own, but I really am not how to answer, as I can interpret that "Why not just assign the reference a name (ref name=xxx) and write the citation manually?" bit in at least 3 different ways... [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 22:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The first dubbed cast (produced by Vitello Productions) included:
*[[Kath Soucie]] - Shin-Chan Nohara, Mitsy Nohara
*Eric Loomis - Hero Nohara, Bo
*[[Russi Taylor]] - Daisy Nohara, Max, Shin's Grandmother
*[[Grey DeLisle]] - Cosmo, Miss Uma
*[[Anndi McAfee]] - Nini, Miss Dori
*[[Pat Fraley]] - Principal Enzo, Masked Muchacho, Shin's Grandfather


The Second dubbed cast (produced by phuuz entertainment inc.) includes:
==A difficult citation==
*[[Diane Michelle]] - Shin-Chan Nohara
I am trying to use {{tl|cite book}} to cite the introduction of the book "On Social Organization and Social Control" (available [http://books.google.com/books?id=FbEZjHWZAdUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=on+social+organization+and+social+control here] via Google Books). Here's the problem: the book was written by Morris Janowitz, but the introduction was written by James Burk, ''and'' Burk is the book's editor. What is the appropriate citation style in this case ...
*[[Julie Maddalena]] - Mitsy Nohara
*{{cite book |last=Burk |first=James |editor=Morris Janowitz |title=On Social Organization and Social Control |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=FbEZjHWZAdUC&pg=PA1&ots=S9mmVXGEe7&dq=on+social+organization+and+social+control&sig=_LSNxXyQYHmUcJgYHRBjW6Vzf3c#PPP1,M1 |accessdate=2007-05-12 |year=1991 |publisher=[[University of Chicago Press]] |location=[[Chicago, IL]] |isbn=978-02-2639-303-2 |pages=21 |chapter=Introduction: A Pragmatic Sociology}}
*[[Peter Doyle]] - Harry Nohara
*{{cite book |last=Burk |first=James |editor=James Burk |title=On Social Organization and Social Control |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=FbEZjHWZAdUC&pg=PA1&ots=S9mmVXGEe7&dq=on+social+organization+and+social+control&sig=_LSNxXyQYHmUcJgYHRBjW6Vzf3c#PPP1,M1 |accessdate=2007-05-12 |year=1991 |publisher=[[University of Chicago Press]] |location=[[Chicago, IL]] |isbn=978-02-2639-303-2 |pages=21 |chapter=Introduction: A Pragmatic Sociology}}
*Hope Levy - Cosmo
Neither of the above citations is entirely accurate. In the first case, Janowitz is listed in the "editor" field, when he is not the editor. In the second case, Janowitz is not mentioned at all in the citation.
*[[Barbara Goodson]] - Max
*[[Michelle Ruff]] - Nini
*[[Richard Cansino]] - Bo
*[[Michael Sorich]] - Lucky


The third dubbed cast (produced by FUNimation) includes:
I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 01:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
*[[Laura Bailey (voice actress)|Laura Bailey]] - Shinnosuke "Shin" Nohara
*[[Cynthia Cranz]] - Mitzi Nohara
*[[Chuck Huber]] - Hiro Nohara
*[[Monica Rial]] - Ai
*[[Colleen Clinkenbeard]] - Hima Nohara, Maso
*[[Brina Palencia]] - Georgie
*[[Carrie Savage]] - Penny
*[[Chris Cason]] - Boo
*[[Troy Baker]] - Action Bastard
*[[Jason Liebrecht]] - Principal Ench
*[[Christopher Sabat]] - Mr. K., Yonrou, Narrator
*[[Jerry Jewell]] - Happiness Bunny


=== Galician version ===
:You might need to format the citation by hand - the templates have not been designed to be completely thorough. [[User:CMummert|C Mummert]] · <small>[[User talk:CMummert|talk]]</small> 01:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:"Editor" is just a field name chosen for practicality. I wouldn't worry too much about it being specifically the "editor" (Which is normally specified with an extra (ed.) anyway), especially as the main author is ''clearly'' Janowitz.[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 01:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
::Alright, then. I'll go ahead and use the first format (which is accurate in appearance). Thanks, '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])''</sup> 02:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


*Ana Lemos - Shinnosuke "Shin-chan" Nohara
==origdate==
I've noticed citations which use the origdate=, origyear=, and origmonth= fields do not properly wikilink the dates. I believe added a couple extra brackets ( [ & ] ) will fix this. See the section of code below; each field currently has just one bracket. Since this page is protected, and I'm really not familiar with templates, I'm bringing this here before making the change.
<pre>{{
#if: {{{origdate|}}}
| &#32;<nowiki>[</nowiki>{{{origdate}}}]
| {{
#if: {{{origyear|}}}
| {{
#if: {{{origmonth|}}}
| &#32;<nowiki>[</nowiki>{{{origmonth}}} {{{origyear}}}]
| &#32;<nowiki>[</nowiki>{{{origyear}}}]
}}</pre>
- '''[[User:AuburnPilot|<font color="mediumblue">auburn</font><font color="darkorange">pilot</font>]]''' [[User_talk:AuburnPilot|<small>talk</small>]] 19:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


=== Tagalog version ===
:Won't happen. These dates shouldn't be wikified if they don't have a full date (which is rare as heck, so not necessary). Besides, I'm not sure your system would properly wikify a full date anyway. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 21:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


*[[Andrew E.]] - Shinnosuke "Shin-chan" Nohara
::Won't happen? The very problem is that the code above, taken from the template in its current form, doesn't properly wikify the date. If the template isn't going to be fixed to wikify the dates, we need to remove the brackets. There's no need for a citation to have random brackets for no reason. See the example below, taken from [[Natalee Holloway]]. <ref>{{cite book |last=Holloway |first=Dave |coauthors=R. Stephanie Good and Larry Garrison |title=Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise |origdate=2006-04-16 |publisher=Thomas Nelson |location=Nashville, TN |isbn=1595550631 |pages=8-10 |chapter=Everybody's Child}}</ref>


=== Polish version ===
{{reflist}}


* Brygida Turowska - Shinnosuke "Shin-chan" Nohara
::- '''[[User:AuburnPilot|<font color="mediumblue">auburn</font><font color="darkorange">pilot</font>]]''' [[User_talk:AuburnPilot|<small>talk</small>]] 01:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
* Cynthia Kaszyńska - Mitsy Nohara
:::''The very problem is that the code above[...] doesn't properly wikify the date.''
* Jarosław Domin - Harry Nohara
::::It's '''not supposed to''' The format is supposed to be something like:
* Dorota Kawęcka - Cosmo
::::{{cite book |last=Doe |first=John |title=History of Foo |origdate=[[1984-03-12]]|year=2004 |publisher=X publishing |location=Y-ville |isbn=1595550631 |pages=8-10 |chapter=Happy Years}}
* Anna Wiśniewska - Nini
::::The square brackets are used in combination with normal parentheses to indicate that an old book has been republished, if one wishes to indicate both dates! If you want to wikify the date (or, indeed ''any'' element in a cite X template), you have to do it manually (as I did here). I'm sorry Imisundertood your original meaning. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 01:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
* Lucyna Malec - Max
* Leszek Zduń - Bo
* Miriam Aleksandrowicz - Marty
* Ewa Serwa - Miss Uma^


=== European Portuguese version ===
:::::Ah, well there you go. I've been looking at it from the wrong standpoint. Thanks for the clarification. - '''[[User:AuburnPilot|<font color="mediumblue">auburn</font><font color="darkorange">pilot</font>]]''' [[User_talk:AuburnPilot|<small>talk</small>]] 01:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


* Sandra de Castro - Shinnosuke "Shin-chan" Nohara, Max
==Dutch template problems==
The template [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Citeer_boek http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Citeer_boek] is not working properly.
1. The parameters 'UITGEVER' and 'PLAATS' do not appear.
2. The parameter 'TAAL' appears in the beginning. This should be replaced by:
{{#if: {{{taal|}}} | &#32;<span style="font-size: 0.95em; font-weight: bold; color:#555; position: relative;">({{{taal}}})</span>}}, to make it the same as in [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Voetnoot_web http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjabloon:Voetnoot_web]. I tried this, but it did not work.
3. There should be a parameter 'MEDEAUTEURS', which means 'co-authours'.
Can anyone help? On the Dutch site I don't get a reaction. At the moment the template is only used on the pages about G.W. Bush, and those about the Bahá'í Faith. Once it will work properly, I hope other users will follow... [[User:Wiki-uk|Wiki-uk]]
:PLAATS and UITGEVER are not displaying because you forgot a |. Instead of <nowiki>{{#if:{{{Plaats|}}} {{{Plaats}}}: }}</nowiki> it should be <nowiki>{{#if:{{{Plaats|}}}|{{{Plaats}}}: }}</nowiki> The same applies to UITGEVER. I moved the Taal parameter after the URL. Check how it is looking now. The MEDEAUTEURS should be easy to add, just copy the PLAATS or UITGEVER parameter (with the |) wherever you want the coauthors to be. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 01:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot for your help! It's perfect now. [[User:Wiki-uk|Wiki-uk]] 10:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I noticed just now that parameters "Auteurlink" and "Medeauteurs" don't work. Could someone check this? [[User:Wiki-uk|Wiki-uk]] ([[User talk:Wiki-uk|talk]]) 14:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


== coauthors "and" ==
== References ==


{{reflist}}
All of the examples of different styles in the template docs show using "and" or "&" with co-authors, yet this isn't done in the template. Anyone know why? Is there a workaround? With the ; there, I can't just put "and " at the beginning of the coauthor field. [[User:Mom2jandk|Ingrid]] 22:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not sure why. I'm assuming "because people will mess it so much it'll get reverted within a week". It's incredible what a mess people manage to make of these templates when they use them. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 23:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


== Using cite_book in a Mediawiki installation ==

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, so please feel free to point me in the right direction if not...

I would like to use the "cite_book" capability from Wikipedia on a MediaWiki installation I have. The first question, obviously, is whether it's OK to do that.

The harder question is how to do it. Although I've installed and am successfully running Mediawiki on a LINUX server, I'm not deeply enough into the structure and coding to understand what to do. From what I can see, it's a template that refers to a bunch of other templates. If that's the case, then I should be able to get those templates and install them on my system. I haven't been able to find any references or leads to people who might know what has to be done or who might have done it for their own servers.

Would appreciate any help or guidance. Thanks!


[[User:Mjgreis|Mjgreis]] 14:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:If you have the ParserFunctions extension installed, you can use the template just by copy-pasting it. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 18:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Mjgreis and Circeus. If anyone else finds this and then needs to know: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.148.13.61|68.148.13.61]] ([[User talk:68.148.13.61|talk]]) 14:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== ISBN bug ==

Using all-caps "ISBN" to cite an ISBN # doesn't work; it only works when lowercase "isbn"--annoying. It should allow either identifier... There were broken links on [[Roswell High School]] (which I fixed some of) and who knows how many other articles... ∞[[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] <sup>([[User_talk:Eep²|τ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Eep²|c]])</sup> 01:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:All variables in all cite templates are lowercaps, that should be easy enough to deal with. If you really must use the cap, us id=ISBN #. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 14:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

::Why can't another all-cap "ISBN=" parameter be made to facilitate the correct capitalization of the acronym? ∞[[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] <sup>([[User_talk:Eep²|τ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Eep²|c]])</sup> 00:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:::There is no such "capitalization of the acronym" "isbn=" DOES translate to all-caps ISBN in the template.[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 00:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Um, no. The whole reason for my initial complaint (bug) was that "ISBN=" does't work--only "isbn=" does. I am saying, add an "ISBN=" parameter. You said to use "id=ISBN #", which is ''not'' the same as "ISBN=". [[Duh]]. ∞[[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] <sup>([[User_talk:Eep²|τ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Eep²|c]])</sup> 05:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::There are no other uppercase field names, so AUTHOR= doesn't work and ISBN= doesn't work either. There's no reason why ISBN needs to be in all caps as a template parameter, so I think it is unlikely the template will be changed to add it. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 13:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::Basically, we are saying that there is NO BUG whatsoever, only an apparent difference (because really, we're [[comparing apples and oranges]] since "isbn 1234567890" doesn't work any more than "ISBN=1234567890") between the way isbn is handled in templates and normal wikimarkup. Besides, I already mentioned that "id=ISBN 1234567890" works normally. I fail to see why the change should be implemented now, months after the parameters were added without any complain in-between. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 15:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

::::::I've already explained why it should be changed--another template, {{tl|Infobox Convention}}, has multiple parameters to deal with different capitalizations of "Genre" vs. "genre", for example. "ISBN" is an [[acronym]] which is capitalized; hence, it should have multiple parameters for lowercase ''and'' ALL-CAPS versions. ∞[[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] <sup>([[User_talk:Eep²|τ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Eep²|c]])</sup> 00:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Normally I would say we should keep only the lowercase parameters to keep things consistent across all templates, but I'm also in favor of machines being as forgiving as possible. In a case like this, having an uppercase and lowercase parameter will not conflict with anything else, so maybe we should do it? Then again, it would make all the templates more complex to have multiple cases for each parameter... — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 05:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a big fan of "OR"ed parameters. For some reason, my fingers automatically hit the shift key for "T" in title and lock in place for URL.<g> Urargggh! <nowiki>...#if:{{{parm1|}}}{{{parm2|}}}|{{{parm1|}}}{{{parm2|}}}</nowiki>... isn't really a whole lot more complex than just the one, and usually on separate lines in any case. Line separation is easy to force to keep thing more readable by using &lt;!--- (neline) ---> to keep nesting clear in a template. It doesn't load the servers much and if it saves a person a preview or two to fix inadvertent capitalization usages, probably nets out way ahead in server time slices saved. // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 03:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

==Page and pages==

How about inserting another "page" besides "pages" into the full-optional template parameter? It might come in handy for those who forget to add an "s", or those who only have one page. I never noted this fact until recently, and I have to add so many "s" to all the mistype edits. It's a good suggestion for this group of people, and it is natural for people to be forgetful at times. [[User:Mr Tan|Mr Tan]] 10:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

:I agree, the template option "| page =" needs to be at least mentioned in this article and that it would be filled out as "| page = p. 234 [or whatever the number is]." [[User:5Q5|5Q5]] ([[User talk:5Q5|talk]]) 15:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

==FI Interwiki==
Please add fi:Malline:Kirjaviite to the iw. Thanks! -[[User:Yupik|Yupik]] 19:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:{{done}} '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''<font color="green">[[User talk:Graham87|87]]</font> 14:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

== Documentation tempalte ==

{{tl|editprotected}}
I'd like to request that "<nowiki>{{/doc}}</nowiki>" be replaced with "<nowiki>{{Template doc}}</nowiki>", which wraps the documentation more neatly. —[[User:Andrew Hampe|Andrew Hampe]] <sup>[[User talk:Andrew Hampe|Talk]]</sup> 22:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:Seconded. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 22:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] '''Done'''. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 04:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

== description of the field "id" ==

I was looking for a (more) thorough description of the field "id" in the {{cite book}} template and others. For example, when one writes 'id = {{MathSciNet | id = 2041082}}' one gets a link to MathSciNet. Are there any other "hidden" features like this? Thanks. [[User:Jakob.scholbach|Jakob.scholbach]] 04:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:Ah sorry, now I see that this is not produced by the template. [[User:Jakob.scholbach|Jakob.scholbach]] 04:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

== Please document the 'ref' parameter ==

I see there's been some discussion here of how the '''ref''' parameter (not the &lt;ref> pseudo-HTML tag) is implemented, but I'd like to point out that the very first thing this template does is test for the presence of the '''ref''' parameter, and that's not even mentioned, much less explained, [[Template:Cite book/doc|in the documentation]]. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] <small>([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]])</small> 19:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:I fail to see any discussion of it, but a look into the template code explains how it works. Doing it now. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 17:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

== Title ==
Currently the title field is a required field since it has '''no''' default parameter. Having a null default parameter in the title field is sometimes useful since often times an article will have all of the book's information in the ''References'' section and then, when referring to the book multiple times, citations will reference only the author's name, publishing year, page number, and possibly a quotation, but the title of the book is '''not''' referenced again.
This setup reduces a lot of repetitiveness, but currently the ''title='' field is unnecessarily required in this template resulting in a space in between two commas, , being added to the citation. See the [[History of Algebra]] article for an example. Simply adding the | to this template's title field will remove a minor, but nonetheless present, annoyance from Wikipedia. <font style="border:solid 1px #FDD017; background:#342D7E;" color="#342D7E">[[User:Selfworm|<font color="#FBB117">selfworm</font>]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Selfworm|<font color="#FDD017">Talk</font>]])</small></sup></font> 05:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

{{tl|editprotected|Add a null default argument to the title field. Please see [[Template_talk:Cite_book#Title]] for details.}}

:f consensus develops to make the change I'll do it, but I don't think it matches the intended use of the template. This template is meant for full references only, not for partial references. The metadata will be very odd without a title. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 19:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
::Using this template for partial references will not in any way damage this template. Further, if there is no citation template for partial references then one should be created, or allow this template to be used for that purpose. <font style="border:solid 1px #FDD017; background:#342D7E;" color="#342D7E">[[User:Selfworm|<font color="#FBB117">selfworm</font>]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Selfworm|<font color="#FDD017">Talk</font>]])</small></sup></font> 21:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

== Calling Special:Booksources w/ ISBN ==

This is the closest I could find for this. I don't want to use the full cite book template, but just want to have an ISBN link that goes to Special:Booksources or similar in an article, with the ISBN passed. How would I format it? I tried looking through the template, but it's a bunch of gobbledygook to me. [[User:Andyross|Andyross]] 16:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

:Just ISBN in all caps follwoed by the ISBN: ISBN 0123456789. The explanation page is at [[Wikipedia:ISBN]]. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 18:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Volume parameter ==

{{tl|editprotected}}
Any chance of a "volume" parameter, for books that span multiple volumes? Thanks :) [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] <small>([[User_talk:Collard|baby i'm bad news]])</small> 10:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

:Are you sure {{tl|cite encyclopedia}} won't do the trick? And how exactly can this NOT be done with the current "title" parameter? "Collected works of X, Volume 3" works just fine. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 16:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::You could use {{tl|cite encyclopedia}}, if you are citing an encyclopedia. If you're not, then you shouldn't. A volume number shouldn't be included with the titlee, IMHO, because it shouldn't be italicised. Besides, it isn't really part of the book's title, any more than any other parameter is. [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] <small>([[User_talk:Collard|baby i'm bad news]])</small> 17:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

:::If there is consensus for this, the code needs to be written, tested, and agreed upon before the template is changed. Adding an editprotected tag is the last step in the process. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 00:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

: Agreed that Volume is a useful parameter, and that Encyclopedia should not be used. Can we call this consensus? [[User:Cleduc|Cleduc]] 06:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
::How is it impossible to integrate volume in "title"? It boggles me how we OMG NEED a new aparmeter when "<code>title=''Fooing the Bar, Volume 3: In Search of Foor (19XX-19YY)''</code>" would do the trick just fine. What formatting is of such necessity that such a parameter absolutely must be added?? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 14:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
: Well, I have a couple of books, both in two volumes, where the pagation starts over in the next volume. My workaround is to set the "pages=" field to something along the lines of "vol. 1, p. 108". Still, it is a [[kludge]]. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] 17:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

== Problem Citing Book ==
I have noticed that whenever I specify author link, using cite book template, it shows only first name author and puts square brackets around.

Below is an example, how output looks like
# [K. N.] [1980] (2002). An Introduction to Atmospheric Radiation (Hardbound), 2, International Geophysics Series (in English), USA: Academic Press, 583. ISBN 0-12-451451-0.

Below is example how I used it
<nowiki>{{cite book
| last = Liou
| first = K. N.
|authorlink= http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~liougst/
|title= An Introduction to Atmospheric Radiation
|origyear=1980 |format=Hardbound |edition=2 |series=International Geophysics Series
|year=2002 |publisher=Academic Press |location= USA |language=English
|isbn= 0-12-451451-0 |pages=583}}</nowiki>
[[User:Pruthvi.vallabh|pruthvi]] 21:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
:It looks like authorlink must be a link to a Wikipedia article, not an http link. (From the template documentation: Title of '''Wikipedia''' article about author.) [[User:Andyross|Andyross]] 15:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks for replying. Is there any option to include external link of author. Also this problem is only with cite book template, author link works fine with other citation templates. Second part of this problem is why first name appears when using author link instead of usual Lastname, Firstname format. [[User:Pruthvi.vallabh|pruthvi]] 21:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
:::"author link works fine with other citation templates" That's incorrect. No citation templates that have "authorlink" accept external links in it. ''This is '''not''' a bug, it's a misuse of the authorlink parameter.'' [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 16:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Circeus to clarifying it. Now I notice that whenever author link works fine, it is wikipedia link for author. Though the problem mentioned above can not be called bug, nevertheless it requires attention for improvement of template. Firstly, it is not a bad idea to allow for external link of author, secondly, the word authorlink is not intuitive enough to say only wikipedia link is allowed. [[User:Pruthvi.vallabh|pruthvi]] 20:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:We do not encourage such links because they are to pages that are neither sources nor directly relevant to the content at hand. If people actually want info on the author, they will google the names themselves. We have no reason to send them there. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 20:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Formatting problem with this template: The entire reference should not display in italics ==

I've used this template for a long time and maybe it's always done this, but I think I would have noticed long ago. Today I noticed that all of the fields in the resulting citation are displaying in italics. This isn't proper formatting. Only the book title should be italicized. -- [[User:WikiPedant|WikiPedant]] 13:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
: Where did you notice this? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 14:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
::I first noticed this on 2 pages which I watch:
::*[[James M. Edie#Major works]]
::*[[Max Scheler#Major works (English translations)]]
::However, it can be seen on any page which invokes the template ,although sometimes it's not very conspicuous, since people sometimes invoke the template within footnotes. But, just looking through the "What links here" for the template, I found these examples which are quite visible:
::*[[Abraham Lincoln#Lincoln in art and popular culture]]
::*[[Ayn Rand#Further reading]]
::*[[Andy Warhol#References]] (Note: In this example, some book citations in the list use the template and some don't.)
::-- [[User:WikiPedant|WikiPedant]] 17:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
::PS - I'm wondering if the problem resulted from an edit to the template by COGDEN, done yesterday (Aug 2) and I have left a query on his talk page. -- [[User:WikiPedant|WikiPedant]] 17:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


This started happening just yesterday; I believe yesterday's edit caused it. Full entries are now italicized, when they were correct prior to yesterday. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

An error was introduced into this template by yesterday's edit; book references are now incorrectly fully italicized. Can someone pls fix? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I'm a bit mystified. The template seems to be displaying book citations correctly now, but the History page does not show that anyone has been in there today to fix it. I'll check again later. -- [[User:WikiPedant|WikiPedant]] 18:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
::Still incorrect for me; maybe one of us needs cache clearing, aybe the problem was fixed elsewhere. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I cleared my cache, and they're fixed now. That means the problem was elsewhere, and it's been fixed. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a temporary caching problem. The problem actually has to do with the local page caching for the Common.css style sheet, which sometimes takes a while to update. Some formatting for this and other templates was moved to Common.css, but the Common.css cache is sometimes not updated automatically by the local browser. So some users may have had interim problems for a while. If anyone still has problems, they should [[Wikipedia:Bypass your cache|clear their cache]] (Ctrl-F5 or F5, depending on browser) to load the new version of Common.css. [[User:COGDEN|''CO<small>GDEN</small>'']] 20:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

==Translator field==
I'd like to suggest an additional argument field -- that of translator. Suggested format and action: Addition of "|translator=Dr. Übersetzer", for example, would add "translated by Dr. Übersetzer" to the expansion (perhaps right before the expansion of the publisher field). I would add it myself, but the template is locked. [[User:Karlhahn|Karl Hahn]] ([[User talk:Karlhahn|T]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Karlhahn|C]]) 20:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
:"editor" is normally used for all manners of "extra hands" such as those. However, it is exceedingy rare that the translator be relevant. The most common case is for ancient material (e.g. Greek,latin, anglo-saxon, old indic, medieval texts etc.) that include historiographic comments. However, those work are usually put with the ''translator as authors'' because the title mentions the original author. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 15:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== In-line 13-digit ISBNs not working for me ==

This isn't a cite-book problem, but I don't see a better place to ask. For example, none of the 13-digit ISBNs under the three cover images from [[...for Dummies]] work for me. Each results in an Amazon.com 404 error. If I substitute the equivalent 10-digit ISBN, it works fine, an example below. Is this some sort of personal problem, Wikipedia's, or Amazon's? My monobook.js is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CliffC/monobook.js HERE]; I've tried a more vanilla one with no better results. FWIW, pasting the 13-digit number straight into Amazon's search box works fine. --[[User:CliffC|CliffC]] 21:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[[:Image:Wfd_cover.jpg|thumb|150px|left|13-digit ISBN not working, ISBN 9780470043998]]
[[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|thumb|150px|right|10-digit ISBN works fine, ISBN 0470043997]]
:Not wikipedia's problem: It's Amazon who can't be bothered to handle them properly. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 15:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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== Code lacks an HTML comment ==
{{tlx|editprotected}}
The code lacks an HTML comment and generates a title="..." containing a newline. Fix by inserting HTML comment as follows:
<pre>
-->{{#if: {{{date|}}}
|&rft.date={{urlencode:{{{date}}}}}<!--
-->|
</pre>
::[[User:Wikiborg|Wikiborg]] 17:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] '''Done'''. Also, if anyone's ever really bored, the code in [[Template:Cite book|Cite book]] could use some major cleanup... Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 03:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:::: Looks like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_book&diff=next&oldid=149061660 this change] broke the template. It does not recognize the "year" field any more. — [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 18:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Hanging indent proposal ==

For a proposal to add an optional formatting parameter to this and related citation templates, which would allow display as a hanging indent, see [[Wikipedia_talk:Citation_templates#Hanging_indent_proposal|this discussion]]. --[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">ʘ</span> </font><small>''[[User talk:CJLL Wright|TALK]]''</small> 04:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:#A proper hanging indent is practically impossible to achieve by altering only the template: you'd have to style the list they're used in too.
:#Altering a template for purely aesthetical alternative purposes is silly, this is worse than the quotes thing.
:#Those things are exactly why [[Help:User style|user styles]] were created.
:[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 03:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

::In any case, I subsequently created a separate template, {{tl|ref indent}}, which can be used to achieve the same effect over the entire bibliographical listing, whether or not the listing's entries are (aesthetically) formatted via the cite templates. So no need now to make any changes to the cite templates themselves.--[[User:CJLL Wright|cjllw]]<font color="#DAA520"> <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">ʘ</span> </font><small>''[[User talk:CJLL Wright|TALK]]''</small> 01:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

:::I still think it is pointless to pander to every aesthetic variation that is available in the word. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 02:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

== "Pages" parameter ==

Hi, what about tweaking this template so that it accepts both "page" and "pages" as parameters, like {{tl|Citation}} does? It's annoying to have to remember that {{tl|Cite book}} only accepts the "pages" parameter when {{tl|Citation}} accepts both. Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 15:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:Given that it's not that complicated to do, done. But shhhh, don't go touting it everywhere! [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 03:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::Why? :o Also, how does it work? Does the template return "p." if you use the "page" parameter, and "pp." if you use "pages"? Shouldn't there be something in the documentation about this? Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 12:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:::As with "editor", the template does not, nor has it ever taken in charge the abbreviations used. I only allowed both "page" and "pages" to be used as the variable. Given the number of cases where this would duplicate the abbreviation, it would quite stupid to implement. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 22:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::I see. I could have sworn that at one stage either {{tl|Citation}} or {{tl|Cite book}} returned the abbreviations "p." and "pp." for page numbers, but this feature seems to have been removed. No worries, and thanks for your help. Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 23:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::I've figured it out. It's {{tl|Cite news}} that returns the abbreviations "p." and "pp." for page numbers depending on whether you use the parameter "page" or "pages". Obviously this doesn't matter for {{tl|Citation}} and {{tl|Cite book}} as these don't use the abbreviations at all, but it seems to me there should be some consistency across these citation templates: either all the templates should use the abbreviations, or none at all. Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 12:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Expecting perfect consistency on Wikipedia when a significant portion of the "populace" is staunchly oppose to the concept of the citation templates is at its best wishful thinking. We have infighting right now at featured lists over the formatting of discographies. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 16:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::I had no idea that there were people opposed to citation templates! Still, since those people won't be using the templates anyway, perhaps it may be easier to obtain a consensus regarding the abbreviations "p." and "pp." among people who do? :) Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 23:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::It has to be pointed out that sometimes they do run into the template inclusion limits (a page can only translate ca. 150 templates) so that some lists (usually) run out of templates. Also, the template is not perfect (which leads to all these innumerable requests for new features and the current difficult to edit and understand [[Ravioli code]]. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 01:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

{{tl|citation}} ''does'' use ''pp.''. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 02:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:But it's an absolute mess that is inconsistent in formatting with the rest of the cite series which is at best irregularly updated/fixed, and that I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. I wouldn't exactly take it as a model. If it wasn't already so damnedly popular, I would have it deleted.
:A damned good reason not to hard code "p. and pp." is that a) we can be certain there are references out there that won't fit that nifty pattern (e.g. that need to cite section or paragraph numbers instead of pages; we already have problems with a simple field like "author"!) and b) [as just mentioned] all the references already including the abbreviations will nicely break. It's basic ''[[primum non nocere]]'' principle applied to Wikipedia templates. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 03:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

::It's a pity you won't plunge into the fray, though I understand completely why. All the <nowiki>{{cite}}</nowiki> templates should really be updated in tandem so they're consistent with each other. I'd be quite happy either if all the templates had "p." and "pp.", or if all of them omitted the abbreviations. Perhaps, for now, you can just eliminate the "pp." abbreviation from {{tl|Citation}} since it's causing grief to Hesperian. (I agree that it looks really bad when you only have a single page number.) Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 04:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

::Circeus, I agree wholeheartedly with not having monolithic templates like {{tl|citation}}. But this is the only template that allows me to write "{{citation| last = Cavanagh |last2 = Pieroni | year = 2006 | pages = 5–21}}", i.e. omitting first names, title, publisher, etcetera, for situations where a reference differs from a previous reference only in page numbers. If {{tl|cite book}} would just loosen up enough to support that, I would use it.... Or perhaps the solution is not to use templates at all for such trivialities.
::I also agree with your logic on not hardcoding ''p.'' and ''pp.'', as I have recently found myself needing to cite plate numbers, in the form "''t. ''1461." [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 12:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::#I don't see why we would need a template to get that format in addition to the normal format (I have, however, been considering a template that would allow a bibliographic-style removal of the author from the displayed result).
:::#That's longer that if you just typed it by hand, with no other appreciable gains.
:::#If cite book did that, all those references would display faulty [[COinS]] tags (cite book does not currently check that all uses are proper, and it would be even more unwieldy if it did).
:::#I've long advocated separation of references and notes for such cases anyway.
:::[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 15:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Initials bug==
Search [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=African_American_culture&diff=164542429&oldid=164534033 this edit] for the word "Jerry". I changed "first=Jerry W." to "first=Jerry W" (removed the period), because before my edit it printed as "Jerry W.." (2 periods) which is a software bug. Perhaps it was programmed to add a period to an initial but there shouldn't be 2 periods. [[User:Art LaPella|Art LaPella]] 03:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

:This isn't a bug. As far as I'm aware, what happens is that the template adds a full stop after the author's name (''e.g.'', "Gore, Al."). If the first name ends in an initial with a full stop, then you get two full stops in a row (''e.g.'', "Bush, George W.."). It's annoying, but the simple way to fix the problem is to remove the full stop from the initial when you spot the redundant full stop. Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 03:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I would define it as a bug. Semantics aside, the software could presumably be programmed not to add the extra period/full stop when one already exists. [[User:Art LaPella|Art LaPella]] 04:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

:S'pose so. Sounds like it might require a lot of complicated acrobatics, though. It may not be worth the trouble when there's a simpler (though less elegant) workaround. Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|Jacklee]] 04:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

:: Alas, no. Describing templates as "programmed" is overstating their capabilities. There is no ability to do things like check for a trailing ".", etc. It's a pure text-substitution capability with extremely rudimentary if-then-else and switch constructs. [[User:RossPatterson|RossPatterson]] 04:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::{{Resolved|[[User:Art LaPella|Art LaPella]] 04:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)}}

: If you had coded the '''date=''' parameter correctly, it would have looked like this: "{{cite book |title=To Shatter Innocence: Teaching African American Poetry |first=Jerry W. |last=Ward, Jr. |series=Teaching African American Literature |editor=M. Graham |publisher=Routledge |date=[[April 7]], [[1998]] |isbn=041591695X |pages=146}}" instead of this: "{{cite book |title=To Shatter Innocence: Teaching African American Poetry |first=Jerry W. |last=Ward, Jr. |series=Teaching African American Literature |editor=M. Graham |publisher=Routledge |date[[April 7]], [[1998]] |isbn=041591695X |pages=146}}"[[User:RossPatterson|RossPatterson]] 04:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::I added the equals sign accordingly. (I didn't code the date parameter - it was already there when I proofread the entire article for errors like redundant periods.) [[User:Art LaPella|Art LaPella]] 04:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

== Just so it's not overlooked ==

[[#template_error:_editor]] above was never resolved, and bite me lately. My post above. // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 03:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

<!-- == Cite book ==--->
;Xpost of thread posted on [[User talk:Circeus#Cite book news]] or [[User talk:Fabartus#Cite book|#Cite book @ user talk:FrankB]]
Hi! Hope your studies are coming along well.

re: {{lts|Cite book}}
As you seem to have been the most active responder on this template, I thought an alert to a way to resolve an old issue [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_book/doc#template_error:_editor here], one which recently became an ongoing problem for me has been given a method of resolution by CBDunkerson [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_book&diff=165602213&oldid=163491915 here] in response to my query. I'd also bottom posted to renew the discussion on that.

{SNIP} Cheers! // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 19:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

from: [[user talk:Fabartus#Cite book|Cite book @ FrankB]]

''I'm starting to think the cite templates (as pointed out) needs a thorough revision in code and formatting. As is, "editor" is both too broad and too strict (we'd need a generic authority field to place after the title, which could include everything from editor to translator). It's a very touchy issue. I haven't reviewed the discussion yet, but I think any addition of (ed.) os something alike is a very bad idea (if only because we need to handle the plural too!) [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 19:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)''

* The strange thing there on this one was Omegatron did do some sort of upgrade. Or at least I saw a included sandbox in the category, which was a workup for the /doc page. Nonetheless, my own take on it is any additional short punctuation or curlicues (e.g. your '(ed.)' example, my problem with 'in') just limits the flexibility of such tools in the long run. Some inline formatting, when and if common, is in order, but for curlicues saving the five/six characters of " (ed.)", not necessary. Same deal with "in " so far as I can see. I've been away from academic citations for 30+ years until people started using {{tl|unref}} everywhere here, so I can't opine on what is most useful, and standard but if one form is favored in some cases, submit that an alternative 'blank' parameter occurring in the same place in the string being built's stream is a good way to have your cake and eat it too. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_GG03&diff=prev&oldid=165688359 This sort of logic] is simple enough to implement as I did there and in many cases won't need parser logic, as the first or second parameter (leftmost(?), iirc) specified rules, or by the equivalent <nowiki>{{#if:{{{long|}}}{{{l|}}}|then ...| else...}}</nowiki> most of the time. That particular if block has a bug, for now, but that'll be handled. OTOH, that template suggests a good generic solution&mdash;style templates adding the mix of desired curlicues calling the plain vanilla Cite templates as a subtemplate. Just as I'm doing in the cite templates {{c|1632 series templates|here}}. [Call them Cite book1, Cite book2, ... Note using CBD's technique, where there is a fork in style use, a few days with such temporary link calls can enable substitution by BOT of the pertinent 'styled' Cite template... and bypass unnecessary edits. Where those break points are can be tested in sandboxes, then implemented enmass if each style is first initialized with the current Cite book template, the BOT(s) are run, then the style versions are replaced by the ready sandbox versions. That will also allow spreading out the impact on the server update que, pacing the changes over several days.]
* Hence, an hypothetical 'editor2' (Or perhaps 'editor_pv'/'pv-editor' for plain vanilla!) param would allow a blank canvas if specified, or specifying multiple phrases that all accumulate instead of any fixed 'editor' field with curlicues; that is both display in the same stream location of the aggregated and displayed string, and depending on the curlicues in some cases could both be used (if ordered properly), or only one (mutually exclusive). For ways of handling the "optional" parameters in help, see {{tl|Cite GG01/doc}}&mdash;you just add the explanation as an options note. Similarly, I've seen some infobox or perhaps another cite template where three variations on 'XXXdate' were depreciated in favor of 'XXXdate2' fields of the same nature, but evidently a different (depreciated) display format. [CBD's technique would allow curing those anomalies if desired, given someone with BOT access and capabilities.]

* God knows I'm interested. I posted an offer earlier this month in both the VPP and [[Wikipedia talk:Citation templates]] offering to generate a different guide that compliments [[WP:CITET]]. Be glad to help with any coding changes needed too (excluding those protected, never being interested in being an Admin, except for these kinds of things). So if you want a hand, I'm willing. (I suck at watching both my watch list and talks though, so be advised! <G> I get there eventually, but it may be a few days!) Let me know what I can do, where and when! // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 20:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

== Volume number ==

How do I indicate the volume number of a multi-volume work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] 19:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:Use {{tl|cite encyclopedia}}. Yes, even if your multi-volume work is not one. [[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 04:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::We've had this discussion before. IMO this isn't the right thing to do if you're not citing an encyclopedia. [[User:Collard|Lewis Collard!]] <small>([[User_talk:Collard|rock me mama like a southbound train]])</small> 21:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Fer Pete's sake, then either alias cite encyclopedia with a redirect template, or copy it to an {{tl|cite MV work}} template and adapt it. The 'Cite MV work' can just pass parameters too, so long as the base format of the template now used as a sub-template is acceptable. The technique is particularly handy if one only wants to add to a given template, particularly at the end. Otherwise adapt it and reformatting is in order. If you aren't handy with coding, ask, I can help. // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 00:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== implement volume ==
<s>
Could the volume parameter be implemented? Because I'm trying to cite [[Inorganic Syntheses]], which is a book series with multiple volumes. --[[User:Rifleman 82|Rifleman 82]] 18:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
</s> [[Inorganic Syntheses]] should use {{tl|cite journal}}. --[[User:Rifleman 82|Rifleman 82]] 20:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== COinS Genre ==

See [http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/1595/wikipedia-citation-templates-query/#Comment_6670 this note in the zotero forums]. Is it possible to have a different rft.genre in the COinS tag based on whether or not the chapter info is present? --[[User:Karnesky|Karnesky]] 04:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

: Yes, it is possible. :)

: I'm not an expert with the parser functions though. Something like this?
<pre><nowiki>
-->{{#if: {{{chapter|}}} | &rft.genre=bookitem | &rft.genre=book }}<!--
</nowiki></pre>
— [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 23:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Language ==

Why do other similar templates (cite web, cite news, etc.) use grey text in brackets to outline the language (like {{he icon}}), while this one uses black text, like: (in Hebrew)?

I think this should be consistent and the grey version is better. Any thoughts? -- [[User:Ynhockey|Ynhockey]] <sup>([[User talk:Ynhockey|Talk]])</sup> 22:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

==Most commonly used fields==

Why does this not include pages?[[User:Geni|Geni]] 00:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
{{tl|editprotected}}

:No objections so can we have pages added to most commonly used fields?[[User:Geni|Geni]] 17:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::{{done}} [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 18:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== When forming the url for authorlink, a pipe is used where a space is needed. ==

Ok, here's the bug (I don't know how to fix it, and I'm not able to since I don't have editing powers over protected pages). If you attempt to use authorlink, you are required to at least use the field 'last'. If you do so, the contents of authorlink will be appended with the contents of last like so:
<nowiki>[http://www.google.com|Brin, Sergey]</nowiki>

Which produces:
[http://www.google.com|Brin, Sergey]

Which is wrong. It sends you to the url with |Brin, appended, and this will break things. There is no workaround at the moment other than to not even use the fields. --[[User:The Inedible Bulk|TIB]] ([[User_talk:The_Inedible_Bulk|talk]]) 08:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:No, the problem is that you're not supposed to use authorlink for URLs (''e.g.'', <nowiki>authorlink=http://www.google.com</nowiki> to produce [http://www.google.com Brin, Sergey]), only for Wikipedia links (''e.g.'', <nowiki>authorlink=Sergey Brin</nowiki> to produce [[Sergey Brin|Brin, Sergey]]). As [[Template:Cite book/doc|the doc]] says, "'''authorlink''': Title of Wikipedia article about author." [[User:RossPatterson|RossPatterson]] ([[User talk:RossPatterson|talk]]) 01:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Publisher ==

What is meant by the publisher of a book? Is this printing firms who print text on paper and manufacture books. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 16:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

== The "hidden" link in the editor parameter ==

See [[#template error: editor|template error: editor]] for background on this. The "hidden" link is not hidden at all for users of [[JAWS (screen reader)|JAWS]], the most widely-used Windows [[screen reader]], in at least the two most recent versions. When there is no image and a link text is a space or is non-existent, JAWS will say the link title, which in MediaWiki is the page name that is linked to. For example, in the article [[hyrax]], where I first found this problem, JAWS reads citation 1 as: "Hoeck, Hendrik (1984). in Macdonald, D.:, link Template:Cite book/editor, The Encyclopedia of Mammals ...". I have tested this out at [[User:Graham87/sandbox3]] and the non-breaking space also does the same thing. I plan to undo the edit by tomorrow morning my time (in the next 12 hours or so), if there are no objections or another admin hasn't gotten to it before me. There are [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=Template%3ACite+book%2Feditor&offset=&limit=5000&title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere&namespace=0 at least 5,000 links to Template:Cite book/editor] so sorting them out would be difficult ... I suppose all instances of the edit parameter have been caught by now. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''<font color="green">[[User talk:Graham87|87]]</font> 12:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:I have undone the edit and made a list of pages using the editor field at [[User:Graham87/Editor field]]. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''<font color="green">[[User talk:Graham87|87]]</font> 01:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


==Author and Titles in alphabets other than Latin==
What does one do with book titles and author's names that are originally in alphabets other than English? I have just cleaned up a reference in [[Nanuchka_class_corvette#References|Nanuchka class corvette]] by adding the Cite book template (the reference is the book written by Berezhnoy, S.S). The previous edit included the book title and author's name in both [[Latin alphabet|Latin]] and [[Cyrillic alphabet|Cyrillic]] alphabets. Using Cite book, I added the title of the book in Cyrillic in brackets after the Latin version in the title field, where it would seem to logically fit. Not quite sure as to where to put the author's name in Cyrillic. I used the co-author field and used italics. Any suggestions welcomed. [[User:Qui1che|papageno]] ([[User talk:Qui1che|talk]]) 18:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== year after publisher, please, again ==

i also would like the "year" parm to show up after "publisher", as previously discussed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_book/Archive_4#Placement_of_year here].
<br/>--[[User:Jerome Charles Potts|Jerome Potts]] ([[User talk:Jerome Charles Potts|talk]]) 20:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:I doubt that is easily done. It's there primarily because author/year short cites are very common in WP, and thus this location for the date makes matching them to a full citation far easier. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 00:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

:The current style facilitates (author,year) references. The most important information about a reference is the author and year, since very often that is enough for the reader to deduce the publication. If it isn't, the title should be enough extra information. The publisher, on the other hand, is a very minor detail. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 00:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::There are {{tl|Harv}} and {{tl|Harvnb}} for that. --[[User:Jerome Charles Potts|Jerome Potts]] ([[User talk:Jerome Charles Potts|talk]]) 04:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Those templates are for the inline references; full references still need to appear at the end, and it's much easier to match the inline to the full reference if they look similar. Even apart from Harvard references, there are articles that put author,year,page in footnotes and put full citations in a references section. I can't see any particular advantage to putting the year at the end of the citation. It is used in some style guides, but we don't claim that these templates match any particular style guide, and we do have an established style already. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 04:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Indeed, Harv is for inline ref., whereas Harvnb is well suited for footnotes. Look at note 28 in [[History of Venezuela#Notes]], which will take you to the corresponding entry in the bibliography section if you click on it. --[[User:Jerome Charles Potts|Jerome Potts]] ([[User talk:Jerome Charles Potts|talk]]) 04:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== How to cite ==

Can someone tell me how to convince this template to cite the paper given in the BibTeX below? I can't figure it out. I may have to do it by hand, but it would be nice if I could do it with a template. Any ideas would be appreciated. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 01:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
<pre>
@incollection {MR0054922,
AUTHOR = {Gale, David and Stewart, F. M.},
TITLE = {Infinite games with perfect information},
BOOKTITLE = {Contributions to the theory of games, vol. 2},
SERIES = {Annals of Mathematics Studies, no. 28},
PAGES = {245--266},
PUBLISHER = {Princeton University Press},
ADDRESS = {Princeton, N. J.},
YEAR = {1953},
MRCLASS = {90.0X},
MRNUMBER = {MR0054922 (14,999b)},
MRREVIEWER = {S. Sherman},
}</pre>

:Something like this? <code><nowiki>{{cite book | author= Gale, David | coauthors= Stewart, F. M. | chapter= Infinite games with perfect information | title= Contributions to the theory of games, vol. 2 | series= Annals of Mathematics Studies, no. 28 | pages= pp&nbsp;245–266 | publisher = Princeton University Press | location= Princeton | year= 1953}}</nowiki></code>

:{{cite book | author= Gale, David | coauthors= Stewart, F. M. | chapter= Infinite games with perfect information | title= Contributions to the theory of games, vol. 2 | series= Annals of Mathematics Studies, no. 28 | pages= pp&nbsp;245–266 | publisher = Princeton University Press | location= Princeton | year= 1953}} [[User:Mr Stephen|Mr Stephen]] ([[User talk:Mr Stephen|talk]]) 18:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

::The problem is that the series and volume numbers can't be in the metadata for the series and (especially!) title fields. Otherwise, it won't be possible to match this against other citations from the same series or book. It's less bad in BibTeX, because that is not intended to create metadata in the same way that our templates do. But really the AMS is already doing it wrong in the BibTeX above, and my question is how to do it less wrong than they do. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 19:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

:::AIUI. As things stand I think you'll have to decide between machine-friendly and human-friendly. I think you're asking for fields to (a) identify one book of a multiple-volume set, and (b) separate out the number in a series, where given. I don't see them, so either use the format as above, or throw out the offending data (ugh!). Personally I'd go for human-friendly, but I'm open to be persuaded that metadata is useful. You could always make a case for more fields in the template. [[User:Mr Stephen|Mr Stephen]] ([[User talk:Mr Stephen|talk]]) 22:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

== name anchor ==

{{tl|editprotected}}

Could someone please figure out how to add an anchor to this template so that it can be linked from [[:Template:harvnb]]. Currently [[:Template:Citation]] does it correctly but I can't see from the code how it works. It has something to do with using CITEREF as a name. If you can figure it out, it would be helpful on all of the cite templates. [[User:Cuñado|<font color="#AF7817">'''Cuñado'''</font>]] ☼ - [[User talk:Cuñado|<font size="-3">Talk</font>]] 22:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

:Editprotected requests are intended for immediate edits, not hypothetical changes. In this case, the change would need to be investigated and tested, and then coordinated with all the other cite_xxx templates. When all of that is done, and you need an admin to copy the code to the templates, please put up another editprotected request. &mdash;&nbsp;Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 00:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

::OK I did it myself. I'm <S>pretty</s> certain this will fix the problem.
::replace this
<nowiki>|{{#if:{{{last|}}} | {{#if:{{{year|}}} | id="Reference-{{{last}}}-{{{year}}}" }} }}</nowiki>
::with this
<nowiki>|{{#if:{{{last|}}} | {{#if:{{{year|}}} | id="CITEREF{{{last}}}{{{year}}}" }} }}</nowiki>
::It's currently the 4th line down in the source. [[User:Cuñado|<font color="#AF7817">'''Cuñado'''</font>]] ☼ - [[User talk:Cuñado|<font size="-3">Talk</font>]] 20:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Anybody alive out there? [[User:Cuñado|<font color="#AF7817">'''Cuñado'''</font>]] ☼ - [[User talk:Cuñado|<font size="-3">Talk</font>]] 01:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Disabled. This isn't a problem. If you want to use Harvard referencing, use {{tl|Citation}}. —[[User:Ms2ger|Ms2ger]] ([[User talk:Ms2ger|talk]]) 11:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Why? Is there a reason we need the anchor in the format "Reference-last-year" instead of "CITEREFlastyear"? Why not allow all of the citation templates to have the same link ability? {{tl|Citation}} doesn't work the same as the others. [[User:Cuñado|<font color="#AF7817">'''Cuñado'''</font>]] ☼ - [[User talk:Cuñado|<font size="-3">Talk</font>]] 17:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why the change is not made to this template, as to make it more useful. There is nothing lost in making the change, but making it more accessible all forms of different citing. Regards, -- [[User:Jeff3000|Jeff3000]] ([[User talk:Jeff3000|talk]]) 07:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:{{not done}} This template is used on 86,000 pages - no one is going to make this change as long as you're only "pretty certain" that this is going to work. '''''Is''''' there a reason why we need the anchor in that format? Find out, make a userspace copy, test it, test it again, make sure it really ''does'' work with the harvard reference template when it's supposed to, ''and also when it isn't'' (I would not be surprised to learn that the different formats are ''deliberate'' to ''prevent'' unintended clashes with harvard references). Once you're ''absolutely certain'' that this will do what you want it to when you use it, and not screw up 85,999 other articles in the process, then add the {{tlx|editprotected}} tag again. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 16:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

::You're looking for confidence and testing? OK I'm certain it will work except for one thing that I can't be certain about. If the anchor used to be in the form "reference-last-year", I don't know what other things will link to that form. As far as I can tell, nothing. The name anchor code was probably added as a formality with nothing actually linking to it. The only situation I know of would be in Harvard Referencing. The absence of any other form of linking to the references is why I'm trying to make the change here.
::As for testing, I did that at [[User talk:Cuñado/archive1]] using [[User:Cuñado/template:cite book]], and it works fine. The anchor is very simple and if you understand how it works then there's nothing much to it. I am 100% sure that the 86 thousand would not be negatively affected.
::And can I get help with changing the other cite x templates? [[User:Cuñado|<font color="#AF7817">'''Cuñado'''</font>]] ☼ - [[User talk:Cuñado|<font size="-3">Talk</font>]] 18:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

: What's holding us up? --[[User:Adoniscik|Adoniscik]]<sup><small>([[User_talk:Adoniscik|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Adoniscik|c]])</small></sup> 21:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

== Interwiki add ==
* Please add [[:pt:Predefinição:Ref-livro]] to the interwiki list. [[User:Nuno Tavares|Nuno Tavares]] ([[User talk:Nuno Tavares|talk]]) 00:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::You can add it yourself - they go on [[Template:Cite book/doc]] and that's not protected. [[User:RossPatterson|RossPatterson]] ([[User talk:RossPatterson|talk]]) 01:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:::{{Done}} —[[User:Ms2ger|Ms2ger]] ([[User talk:Ms2ger|talk]]) 11:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

== Curly quotes “like this” around quotations ==

I've spotted this before and never really got to the bottom of it. The MOS recommends straight quotes "like this" and not curly quotes “like this”. Yet this template uses the curly version for quotations. Is there a reason for this? Example: {{cite book|title=The Best Book|year=2000|author=A Cleverman|quote=This book will show you how to be top.}} [[User:Mr Stephen|Mr Stephen]] ([[User talk:Mr Stephen|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

:what's really crazy is that the chapter name will be placed in straight quotes while the quote is in curly ones.&nbsp;&nbsp;—[[User:Chris_Capoccia |Chris Capoccia]] <sup>[[User talk:Chris_Capoccia|T]]</sup>&#8260;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Chris_Capoccia|C]]</sub> 14:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::{{tnull|editprotected}}
::Will an admin please change the line that reads <pre>}}.{{ #if: {{{quote|}}} | &nbsp;“{{{quote}}}”</pre> to use the double-quote character (<code>"</code>) instead of the typographic (curly) quote charcters (<code>“</code> and <code>”</code>) as per [[WP:MOS#Punctuation]]? [[User:RossPatterson|RossPatterson]] ([[User talk:RossPatterson|talk]]) 23:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::{{done}}. Thanks for catching this. Cheers! [[User:J.delanoy|<font color="green">J'''.'''delanoy</font>]][[User Talk:J.delanoy|<sup><font color="red">gabs</font></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/J.delanoy|<font color="blue"><sub>adds</sub></font>]] 07:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== A question to which I should probably already know the answer ==

If a book's being cited many times in the same article, with the only information that changes from cite to cite being the page number, is there another template that produces "Smith - 87" or something to that effect for uses after the first? When I try to create that effect with this template, by leaving everything except the "last name" and "pages" fields blank, it still shows up with a spot for the title field. Are we just supposed to fill out the template completely for every use of the book? It's not that it would be much work to do, but it seems to me that it makes the references section unnecessarily unwieldy. [[User:Sarcasticidealist|Sarcasticidealist]] ([[User talk:Sarcasticidealist|talk]]) 12:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:What I usually do is in that situation is use <nowiki>{{cite book}}</nowiki> for the entry in a "References" section, and for individual notes — which are in a separate "Notes" section — use "Smith, p. 87." If an author has several works listed in the references section, I use something like "Jones, ''Dogs'', p. 94." or "Jones, ''Cats'', p. 49." — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 13:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

== Volume parameter, again ==

I would like to echo several comments and sections above and request that a Volume parameter be added to {{tl|cite book}}. I am aware that {{tl|cite encyclopedia}} is often proffered as a replacement, but feel that several useful parameters — "origdate"/"origmonth"/"origyear", "format", "language", "isbn", "oclc", and "ref" — are lacking from it. So it seems easier to add one "volume" parameter here than several over there. Are there any editors experienced with <nowiki>{{cite book}}</nowiki> code that can come up with an implementation? — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 14:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

:{{tlx|editprotected}}
:I just came here to make the same request.
:Here is the code:

:Insert:
<pre>{{
#if: {{{volume|{{{number|}}}}}} | &#32;{{{volume|{{{number}}}}}}
}}</pre>

:After:
<pre>{{
#if: {{{series|}}} | , {{{series}}}
}}</pre>

Here's a "before and after":
{{cite book|author=Bond, G.C., Showers, W., Elliot, M., Evans, M., Lotti, R., Hajdas, I., Bonani, G., Johnson, S., |year=1999|chapter= The North Atlantic's 1–2 kyr climate rhythm: relation to Heinrich events, Dansgaard/Oeschger cycles and the little ice age|editor=Clark, P.U., Webb, R.S., Keigwin, L.D.|title=Mechanisms of Global Change at Millennial Time Scales|series=Geophysical Monograph|number=112|publisher=American Geophysical Union, Washington DC|pages=59–76|isbn=0-87590-033-X}}

<cite class="book" style="font-style:normal" >Bond, G.C., Showers, W., Elliot, M., Evans, M., Lotti, R., Hajdas, I., Bonani, G., Johnson, S.,&#32;(1999).&#32;"The North Atlantic's 1–2 kyr climate rhythm: relation to Heinrich events, Dansgaard/Oeschger cycles and the little ice age",&#32;in Clark, P.U., Webb, R.S., Keigwin, L.D.: <i>Mechanisms of Global Change at Millennial Time Scales</i>, Geophysical Monograph&#32;'''112'''.&#32;American Geophysical Union, Washington DC,&#32;59–76. ISBN 0-87590-033-X.</cite><!--

This is a COinS tag (http://ocoins.info), which allows automated tools to parse the citation information:
--><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004<!--
-->&rft_val_fmt={{urlencode:info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:book}}<!-- Field descriptions: http://www.openurl.info/registry/docs/mtx/info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:book
-->&rft.genre=book<!-- book: a publication that is complete in one part or a designated finite number of parts, often identified with an ISBN. (genre could also be bookitem, conference, proceeding, report, document, or unknown)
-->&rft.btitle={{urlencode:Mechanisms of Global Change at Millennial Time Scales}}<!-- The title of the book. This can also be expressed as title, for compatibility with version 0.1. "moby dick or the white whale"
-->&rft.atitle={{urlencode:The North Atlantic's 1–2 kyr climate rhythm: relation to Heinrich events, Dansgaard/Oeschger cycles and the little ice age}}<!-- Chapter title. Chapter title is included if it is a distinct title, e.g. "The Push Westward."
--><!-- First author's family name. This may be more than one word ... e.g. Smith, Fred James is recorded as "aulast=smith"
--><!-- First author's given name or names or initials. This data element may contain multiple words and punctuation, e.g. "Fred F", "Fred James"
-->&rft.au={{urlencode:Bond, G.C., Showers, W., Elliot, M., Evans, M., Lotti, R., Hajdas, I., Bonani, G., Johnson, S.,}}<!-- This data element contains the full name of a single author, e.g. "Smith, Fred M", "Harry S. Truman".
--><!-- Date of publication. Book dates are assumed to be a single year. (or ISO 8601)
--><!-- Statement of the edition of the book. This will usually be a phrase, with or without numbers, but may be a single number, e.g. "First edition", "4th ed."
-->&rft.pub={{urlencode:American Geophysical Union, Washington DC}}<!-- Publisher name. "Harper and Row"
--><!-- Place of publication. "New York"
-->&rft.pages={{urlencode:59–76}}<!-- Start and end pages for parts of a book, e.g. "124-147" ... This data element includes the OpenURL 0.1 definition of "pages".
-->&rft.series={{urlencode:Geophysical Monograph}}<!-- The title of a series in which the book or document was issued. There may also be an ISSN associated with the series.
-->&rft.isbn=0-87590-033-X<!-- International Standard Book Number (ISBN) ... i.e. "057117678X" but it may contain hyphens, e.g. "1-878067-73-7"
--><!--
--><!--
--><!--
-->">&nbsp;</span>

:The bold type is used in the same fashion as {{tl|cite journal}}.
:Thanks. ''[[User:Verisimilus|Verisimilus]]''&nbsp;'''<small>[[User_talk:Verisimilus|T]]</small>''' 13:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for figuring out the code for a volume parameter. One small note, however, {{tl|cite journal}} no longer makes its volume parameter bold in the output. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 16:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Edit request has been appropriately modified. Thanks for pointing that out! ''[[User:Verisimilus|Verisimilus]]''&nbsp;'''<small>[[User_talk:Verisimilus|T]]</small>''' 19:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::::{{done}} Any ideas how to build it into the COinS tag? <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 18:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== My example ==

For people questioning the "volume" parameter, this (ISBN 3805576404) is the book I'm trying to cite, for example.

:<code><nowiki>{{cite book
| author = Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.)
| title = Omega-6/Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acid Ratio: The Scientific Evidence
| series = World Review of Nutrition and Dietetics
| volume = 92
| pages = 1–174
| year = 2003
| month = September
| isbn = 3805576404}}</nowiki></code>

It consists of articles like in a journal, each written by different authors, but the book itself is a cohesive unit with its own editors, and is part of a larger series with different editors by the same publisher. I'm citing the whole book; if I was citing a certain article I'd use the "chapter" parameter. —[[User:Werson|Werson]] ([[User talk:Werson|talk]]) 01:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

== Publisher ==

I was doing some dabbing, and someone pointed out to me that the pipe trick doesn't work in the Publisher field of this template. For example, what should ordinarily be rendered as [[Doubleday (publisher)|Doubleday]] instead shows up as <nowiki>Doubleday (publisher)|</nowiki>.

Anybody have any idea how to fix this? [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 14:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
:It's the "ref" tags, not the template, see [[WP:pipe trick]]. <code><nowiki>{{cite book | title= foo | author= Smith, John | publisher= [[Doubleday (publisher)|]]}}</nowiki></code> comes out as {{cite book | title= foo | author= Smith, John | publisher= [[Doubleday (publisher)|Doubleday]]}}, which is fine, but wrap it in tags and it fails. [[User:Mr Stephen|Mr Stephen]] ([[User talk:Mr Stephen|talk]]) 15:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

::See it - thanks! I'll keep that in mind. [[User:Mlaffs|Mlaffs]] ([[User talk:Mlaffs|talk]]) 00:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Accessdate for chapter URLs ==

The <code>accessdate</code> parameter ought to be displayed if the <code>chapterurl</code> is specified, even if <code>url</code> is ''not'' specified, shouldn't it? — [[User:Andrwsc|Andrwsc]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Andrwsc|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Andrwsc|contribs]]) 22:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

==Comment to update /doc.==
{{tlx|editprotected}}
Please put
<nowiki><!--Please edit the /doc and save at the same time as adding/removing parameters.--></nowiki>
at the top of the template. -- [[User:Jeandré du Toit|Jeandré]], 2008-03-16[[User talk:Jeandré du Toit|t]]19:58z

<!--Please edit the /doc and save at the same time as adding/removing parameters.-->
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACite_book%2Fdoc&diff=198697924&oldid=198697214 this] should have a smiliar effect without adding 89,000 pages to the job queue. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 20:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

== Volume (again) ==
{{tlx|editprotected}}
Volume is missing a space (and should maybe be boldface now that the other templates have been updated).

<blockquote><code><nowiki>{{cite book
| author = Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.)
| title = Omega-6/Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acid Ratio: The Scientific Evidence
| series = World Review of Nutrition and Dietetics
| volume = 92
| pages = 1–174
| year = 2003
| month = September
| isbn = 3805576404}}</nowiki></code></blockquote>

appears as

<blockquote><cite class="book" style="font-style:normal" {{
#if:
|{{#ifeq:{{{ref}}}|none||id="{{{ref}}}"}}
|{{#if: | {{#if:2003 | id="Reference-{{{last}}}-2003" }} }}
}}>{{
#if: Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.)
| {{
#if:
| [[{{{authorlink}}}|{{
#if:
| {{{last}}}{{ #if: | , {{{first}}} }}
| Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.)
}}]]
| {{
#if:
| {{{last}}}{{ #if: | , {{{first}}} }}
| Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.)
}}
}}
}}{{
#if: Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.)
| {{ #if: | <nowiki>;</nowiki>&#32;{{{coauthors}}} }}
}}{{
#if:
| &#32;<nowiki>[</nowiki>{{{origdate}}}]
| {{
#if:
| {{
#if:
| &#32;<nowiki>[</nowiki>{{{origmonth}}} {{{origyear}}}]
| &#32;<nowiki>[</nowiki>{{{origyear}}}]
}}
}}
}}{{
#if:
| &#32;({{{date}}})
| {{
#if: 2003
| {{
#if: September
| &#32;(September 2003)
| &#32;(2003)
}}
}}
}}{{ #if: Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.) | .
}}{{
#if:
| &#32;"{{
#if:
| [{{{chapterurl}}} {{{chapter}}}]
| {{{chapter}}}
}}",}}{{
#if:
| &#32;in {{{editor}}}:
}} <i>{{
#if: | [{{{url}}} Omega-6/Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acid Ratio: The Scientific Evidence] | Omega-6/Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acid Ratio: The Scientific Evidence
}}</i>{{
#if: | &#32;({{{format}}})
}}{{
#if: | , {{{others}}}
}}{{
#if: | , {{{edition}}}
}}{{
#if: World Review of Nutrition and Dietetics | , World Review of Nutrition and Dietetics
}}{{
#if: 92 | 92
}}{{
#if: | &#32;(in {{{language}}})
}}{{
#if:
| {{#if: | ,&#32; | .&#32; }}{{
#if:
| {{{location}}}:&#32;
}}{{{publisher}}}
}}{{
#if: 1–174 | ,&#32;1–174
}}{{
#if: | . [[Digital object identifier|DOI]]:[http://dx.doi.org/ {{{doi}}}]
}}{{
#if: | . {{{id}}}
}}{{
#if: 3805576404 | . ISBN 3805576404
}}{{
#if: | . [[OCLC]] [http://worldcat.org/oclc/{{urlencode:{{{oclc}}}}} {{{oclc}}}]
}}{{
#if: | {{
#if: |
. Retrieved on [[{{{accessdate}}}]]
| {{
#if:
| . Retrieved {{
#if:
| on [[{{{accessmonth}}} {{{accessyear}}}]]
| during [[{{{accessyear}}}]]
}}}}
}}
}}.{{ #if: | &nbsp;“{{{quote}}}”
}}</cite><!--

This is a COinS tag (http://ocoins.info), which allows automated tools to parse the citation information:
--><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004<!--
-->&rft_val_fmt={{urlencode:info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:book}}<!-- Field descriptions: http://www.openurl.info/registry/docs/mtx/info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:book
-->&rft.genre=book<!-- book: a publication that is complete in one part or a designated finite number of parts, often identified with an ISBN. (genre could also be bookitem, conference, proceeding, report, document, or unknown)
-->&rft.btitle={{urlencode:Omega-6/Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acid Ratio: The Scientific Evidence}}<!-- The title of the book. This can also be expressed as title, for compatibility with version 0.1. "moby dick or the white whale"
-->{{#if: | &rft.atitle={{urlencode:{{{chapter}}}}} }}<!-- Chapter title. Chapter title is included if it is a distinct title, e.g. "The Push Westward."
-->{{#if: | &rft.aulast={{urlencode:{{{last}}}}} }}<!-- First author's family name. This may be more than one word ... e.g. Smith, Fred James is recorded as "aulast=smith"
-->{{#if: | &rft.aufirst={{urlencode:{{{first}}}}} }}<!-- First author's given name or names or initials. This data element may contain multiple words and punctuation, e.g. "Fred F", "Fred James"
-->{{#if: Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.) | &rft.au={{urlencode:Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.)}} }}<!-- This data element contains the full name of a single author, e.g. "Smith, Fred M", "Harry S. Truman".
-->{{#if: | &rft.date={{urlencode:{{{date}}}}}<!--
-->{{#if: 2003 | &rft.date={{urlencode:2003}} }} }}<!-- Date of publication. Book dates are assumed to be a single year. (or ISO 8601)
-->{{#if: | &rft.edition={{urlencode:{{{edition}}}}} }}<!-- Statement of the edition of the book. This will usually be a phrase, with or without numbers, but may be a single number, e.g. "First edition", "4th ed."
-->{{#if: | &rft.pub={{urlencode:{{{publisher}}}}} }}<!-- Publisher name. "Harper and Row"
-->{{#if: | &rft.place={{urlencode:{{{location}}}}} }}<!-- Place of publication. "New York"
-->{{#if: 1–174 | &rft.pages={{urlencode:1–174}} }}<!-- Start and end pages for parts of a book, e.g. "124-147" ... This data element includes the OpenURL 0.1 definition of "pages".
-->{{#if: World Review of Nutrition and Dietetics | &rft.series={{urlencode:World Review of Nutrition and Dietetics}} }}<!-- The title of a series in which the book or document was issued. There may also be an ISSN associated with the series.
-->{{#if: 3805576404 | &rft.isbn=3805576404 }}<!-- International Standard Book Number (ISBN) ... i.e. "057117678X" but it may contain hyphens, e.g. "1-878067-73-7"
-->{{#if: | &rft_id=info:oclcnum/{{{oclc}}} }}<!--
-->{{#if: | &rft_id=info:doi/{{urlencode:{{{doi}}}}} }}<!--
-->{{#if: | &rft_id={{urlencode:{{{url}}}}} }}<!--
-->">&nbsp;</span></blockquote>

and should probably appear as

<blockquote>Simopoulos, A.P.; Cleland, L.G. (eds.) (September 2003). ''Omega-6/Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acid Ratio: The Scientific Evidence'', World Review of Nutrition and Dietetics '''92''', 1–174. ISBN 3805576404.</blockquote>

Thanks. —[[User:Werson|Werson]] ([[User talk:Werson|talk]]) 01:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

:{{done}}&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Tivedshambo|<span style="background:#7F0000;color:#FFFFFF">'''&nbsp;Tivedshambo&nbsp;'''</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User Talk:Tivedshambo|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Tivedshambo|c]])</sub> 07:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

==Pages==
Much to my embarrassment I have been assuming '''pages''' means the number of pages in the book. Perhaps it would be harder for people (who do not read the content page fully) to make this mistake if the parameter was renamed 'page(s)'. The old parameter would still work as well (i.e. |pages), but the new one would be shown here and available for copy-pasting into the article when adding a reference. [[User:Richard001|Richard001]] ([[User talk:Richard001|talk]]) 03:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of pages, what if I ''do'' want to include the number of pages? This is always featured in journal citations (though here it is necessary to find the article), but is also useful in that it gives the potential reader an idea of how long the article is. I think it would be useful here as well, but would have to be a distinct parameter from the one above. When not using this template for a ''citation'', but as a way of standardizing the appearance of the listing under something like ''Further reading'', giving the length of a book is especially important, as the potential reader will want to know how much information the book can provide, and how much reading will be required. But because this encyclopedia cites its own references (unlike many), further reading sections can at times be redundant; the reader can often work out what would be a good set of further readings from the citations in the references section. So even here giving the number of pages can be useful. I suppose they're not part of a 'standard' citation though, so that's one possible mark against this. Still, most citations don't include internal links to authors and journals either, do they? [[User:Richard001|Richard001]] ([[User talk:Richard001|talk]]) 08:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:You could always do something like this:
<pre>{{cite book|author= … (fill in parameters here) … }} (237 pages).</pre>
:Not perfect, but certainly workable. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 12:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, but the whole point of using cite book is to make things look standardized across articles. If people did this manually they would often look different. [[User:Richard001|Richard001]] ([[User talk:Richard001|talk]]) 06:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, if the point were standardization, then <nowiki>{{cite book}}</nowiki> would be mandatory on all articles. As it is, there are several acceptable way of citing sources—some involving templates, some not. The goal is for a consistent style of referencing within each article. Good luck with your edits. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 10:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

::::If the point ''weren't'' standardization, we could delete cite book right now. It's certainly a lot easier to cite things manually than to fill in the fields of a detailed template like this, which requires a long time just to memorize. Just because the template isn't mandatory, it's still desirable. [[User:Richard001|Richard001]] ([[User talk:Richard001|talk]]) 05:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree with Richard001. I usually only cite to one page and "pages"usually is used in the publishing business to mean number of pages in the book. Cite news uses pages= and page=. [[User:Suntag|Suntag]] ([[User talk:Suntag|talk]]) 15:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

== Strange year behviour when there is no author ==

When {{tl|Cite book}} doesn't include an author (or has an editor instead of an author) the year appears first, for examples see [[Channel_Tunnel#References]]. This looks a bit odd to me, is there a work around?--[[User:Commander Keane|Commander Keane]] ([[User talk:Commander Keane|talk]]) 07:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

:The way I understand it, the template expects (even if it doesn't require) an author, and assumes one in its output. In your example, I would put Kirkland in the "author" field like this "Kirkland, Colin J., ed.". For the other two missing authors, I would use "Institution of Civil Engineers" and "European Commission. Directorate-General for Regional Policy and Cohesion.", respectively, in the "author" field. (In cases like this, I usually figure the authorship by looking at http://www.worldcat.org/; the links for the three books in question are [http://worldcat.org/isbn/0727715461 here], [http://worldcat.org/isbn/0419179208 here], and [http://worldcat.org/isbn/9282688046 here] .) — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 11:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks, that works nicely.--[[User:Commander Keane|Commander Keane]] ([[User talk:Commander Keane|talk]]) 12:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

:::The problem with this is when you're providing a list of books of a single author. Repeating the same name over and over again becomes cluttered and hard to read pretty fast. The {{tl|Cite journal}} work around this by placing the date field after the article name when no author name is provided. See [[Wolfgang Smith#Bibliography]] for an example of how differently both templates behave when no author is provided. I'd love for the cite book template to do the same. (And if it also included the "quotes = no" option provided by the cite journal's it would be even better!) -- [[User:Alexander Gieg|alexgieg]] ([[User talk:Alexander Gieg|talk]]) 16:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

== Chapter format ==
Is there an option where you can specify the format of a chapter when a "chapterurl" is provided? Thanks. --[[User:Phenylalanine|Phenylalanine]] ([[User talk:Phenylalanine|talk]]) 01:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Open Library field ==

Please add a fields to accept Open Library IDs for the book and, possibly, the author. The format is simple: http://openlibrary.org/b/BOOK_ID. Thanks. --[[User:Davidstrauss|davidstrauss]] ([[User talk:Davidstrauss|talk]]) 21:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

:{{done}}: You can use {{tlx|OL}} it in the {{para|id}} field now. Since OL ids always start (as far as I've seen) with "OL", I've made two versions. If you use {{tlx|OL|OL7100655M}}, you'll get {{OL|OL7100655M}}. If you use {{tlx|OL|id{{=}}7100655M}} instead, without those two letters, you'll get the much nicer looking {{OL|id=7100655M}}. The later has precedence, so mixing both, as in this incorrect usage: {{tlx|OL|OL7100655M|id{{=}}7100655M}}, still results in {{OL|OL7100655M|id=7100655M}}. -- [[User:Alexander Gieg|alexgieg]] ([[User talk:Alexander Gieg|talk]]) 00:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:PS.: I've noticed you requested author too, so I've added another parameter, {{para|author|yes}}. If added, it links to authors instead. Everything else remains the same. Examples: {{tlx|OL|OL18319A|author{{=}}yes}} results in {{OL|OL18319A|author=yes}}, {{tlx|OL|id{{=}}18319A|author{{=}}yes}} in {{OL|id=18319A|author=yes}}, and the wrong {{tlx|OL|OL18319A|id{{=}}18319A|author{{=}}yes}} in {{OL|OL18319A|id=18319A|author=yes}} too. -- [[User:Alexander Gieg|alexgieg]] ([[User talk:Alexander Gieg|talk]]) 00:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Now I have to ask: where should I publish the existence of this new template so that others can start using it? -- [[User:Alexander Gieg|alexgieg]] ([[User talk:Alexander Gieg|talk]]) 01:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:I'm working directly with the Wikimedia Foundation to get Open Library support embedded in Wikipedia. --[[User:Davidstrauss|davidstrauss]] ([[User talk:Davidstrauss|talk]]) 19:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

::Seems interesting. How would it work? Wikipedia itself would host books? Or some kind of integration, like the ISBN magic word? -- [[User:Alexander Gieg|alexgieg]] ([[User talk:Alexander Gieg|talk]]) 20:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== The 'date' field isn't automatically wikilinked ==

The help for the cite book template states that the date= tag should use ISO 8601 format. I agree with that, but if a date is entered in this format, it's not wikilinked when displayed, so the date displays in the ISO 8601 format, rather than according to the user's date preference or the more user-friendly Wikipedia default of 'Month DD YYYY'. Would it be possible to update the template to do this (cite web already does this for date and accessdate)? Thanks [[User talk:Rjwilmsi|<font color="darkgreen">'''''Rjwilmsi'''''</font>]] 22:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
:Same case for the origdate field too. Thanks [[User talk:Rjwilmsi|<font color="darkgreen">'''''Rjwilmsi'''''</font>]] 22:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


To do this, change the following line:

<code><nowiki> | &#32;({{{date}}})</nowiki></code>

To:

<code><nowiki> | &#32;({{#ifeq:{{#time:Y-m-d|{{{date}}}}}|{{{date}}}|[[{{{date}}}]]|{{#ifeq:{{#time:Y-m-d|{{{date}}}}}|1970-01-01|[[{{{date}}}]]|{{{date}}}}}}})</nowiki></code>

This has been tested at [[Template:Cite book/sandbox]]. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 21:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

{{ep|done}}--[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 05:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

: Cheers, thanks. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 05:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::Above does not work. I believe, in as much as ifeq can not apparently be used to test a user's date-preference, hence above coding, as far as I can see, ends up always showing the version of <nowiki>[[{{{date|}}}]]</nowiki> (this is always wikified according to user preference else as default ISO YYYY-MM-DD style)

===Cite web option for editor-set date styles===
See [[Template talk:Cite web#Working version and final discussion]] re proposed new parameter of '''datestyle'''. As a default it leaves date/accessdate/archive date as wikified dates as is the current case. However if specified it would show unlinked but formated dates as "=dmy" 23 October 2007 as "=mdy" October 23, 2007 or as "=ymd" 2007 October 23. Given ideally cite template should be consistant, should such a proposal be implemented here too ? Please discuss at the above link. [[User:Davidruben|David Ruben]] <sup> [[User talk:Davidruben|Talk]] </sup> 19:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Changing the value for "cite id=" ==

I suggest changing <code><nowiki>id="Reference-{{{last}}}-{{{year}}}"</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>id="CITEREF{{{last}}}{{{year}}}"</nowiki></code> so that it works with {{tl|harvnb}}. {{tl|harvnb}} only works with {{tl|citation}} right now, but if {{tl|citation}} is used in an article, then according to the Featured Article criteria at [[WP:FA?]], templates beginning with <nowiki>{{cite</nowiki> such as {{tl|cite web}}, {{tl|cite book}}, and {{tl|cite journal}} cannot be used because they produce a different result from {{tl|citation}}. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 18:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

: '''Support'''. Currently I use the "ref" parameter to make harv-compatible citations (e.g., ref=CITEREFJohn2000). --[[User:Adoniscik|Adoniscik]]<sup><small>([[User_talk:Adoniscik|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Adoniscik|c]])</small></sup> 21:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

==Anomaly==
For some reason 1969 (possibly other years, I have not checked) is linked when using this template. For example:
*{{cite book | last = O'Connor | first = Frank | authorlink = Frank O'Connor | title = [[The Big Fellow]] | publisher = Corgi | date = 1969 | isbn = 0-552-08070-5}}
However if I simply change the year to any other year it is not linked:
*{{cite book | last = O'Connor | first = Frank | authorlink = Frank O'Connor | title = [[The Big Fellow]] | publisher = Corgi | date = 1981 | isbn = 0-552-08070-5}}

Does anyone know why this is happening, and how it can be fixed? <font face="Celtic">[[User:Domer48|<span style="color:#009900"><strong>Domer48</strong></span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Domer48|<span style="color:#006600">'fenian'</span>]]''</sub></font> 17:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:For single years use the 'year' field instead of 'date':
:*{{cite book | last = O'Connor | first = Frank | authorlink = Frank O'Connor | title = [[The Big Fellow]] | publisher = Corgi | year = 1969 | isbn = 0-552-08070-5}}
:*{{cite book | last = O'Connor | first = Frank | authorlink = Frank O'Connor | title = [[The Big Fellow]] | publisher = Corgi | year = 1981 | isbn = 0-552-08070-5}}
:The date field is only designed to take a full date, hence the problems. It is something that I will address soon as part of my [[User:Rjwilmsi#My_correction_of_citation_templates|template fixing effort]]. Thanks [[User talk:Rjwilmsi|<font color="darkgreen">'''''Rjwilmsi'''''</font>]] 18:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, really helpful and appreciated. regards --<font face="Celtic">[[User:Domer48|<span style="color:#009900"><strong>Domer48</strong></span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Domer48|<span style="color:#006600">'fenian'</span>]]''</sub></font> 20:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Volume and Edition ==

I think volume and edition are displayed wrong (or at least in wrong order).

:<code><nowiki>{{cite book |last= Cordell |first= Bruce R. |coauthors= Jeff Grubb, David Yu |title= Manual of the Planes |volume=Vol. 2 |edition=2nd edition |publisher= Wizards of the Coast |year= 2001 |isbn= 0786918508 }}</nowiki></code>

appears as:

:Cordell, Bruce R.; Jeff Grubb, David Yu (2001). ''Manual of the Planes'', 2nd edition Vol. 2, Wizards of the Coast. ISBN 0786918508.

but should be:

:Cordell, Bruce R.; Jeff Grubb, David Yu (2001). ''Manual of the Planes'' Vol. 2, 2nd edition, Wizards of the Coast. ISBN 0786918508.

––[[User:Bender235|Bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 19:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

==Page parameter==
{{tl|editprotected}}
Please modify cite book to include a page= parameter in addition to its pages= parameter similar to that of [[Template:Cite news]], where "The page(s) on which the article is found. page inserts the abbreviation "p." before the number; pages inserts "pp." Use only one of these parameters. If numbers are entered for both, pages overrides page." [[User:Suntag|Suntag]] ([[User talk:Suntag|talk]]) 15:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
: Oppose this: Existing uses of this template insert the "p." or "pp." manually. If you make this change, you're going to end up with many references saying things like "pp. pp. 5–6". Before making a change like this, come up with a workable plan to avoid this problem. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 15:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:: {{Not done}} per Anomie. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 06:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Books with external AND internal links ==

Take for example:

{{cite book|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=DrYoyAM3PBYC&pg=PA375&lpg=PA375&dq=%22Turkey+is+a+society+without+ethnic+minorities+or+cultures&source=web&ots=ws7qt8Tdf8&sig=h1xXza759kcHkUNt8O0cs1PgumQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result|page=375|first=Peter|last=Balakian|authorlink=Peter Balakian|title=[[The Burning Tigris: The Armenian Genocide and America's Response|The Burning Tigris]]|publisher=HarperCollins|isbn=9780060558703|year=2004}}

It would look much better if the easy-to-miss external link was associated with the page number. Perhaps we need a new parameter, "booklink" for the internal one? --[[User:Adoniscik|Adoniscik]]<sup><small>([[User_talk:Adoniscik|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Adoniscik|c]])</small></sup> 22:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

== Default ref ==

I wonder if the default cite id could be changed to <nowiki>CITEREF{{{last}}}{{{year}}}</nowiki>, so that {{tl|cite book}} and {{tl|citation}} have the same default. Does ''any'' article use the current (undocumented) default? This is the default, by the way: [[#Reference-Tom-2006]]
* <cite class="book" style="font-style:normal" {{
#if:
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|{{#if:Tom | {{#if:2006 | id="Reference-Tom-2006" }} }}
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This is a COinS tag (http://ocoins.info), which allows automated tools to parse the citation information:
--><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004<!--
-->&rft_val_fmt={{urlencode:info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:book}}<!-- Field descriptions: http://www.openurl.info/registry/docs/mtx/info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:book
-->&rft.genre=book<!-- book: a publication that is complete in one part or a designated finite number of parts, often identified with an ISBN. (genre could also be bookitem, conference, proceeding, report, document, or unknown)
-->&rft.btitle={{urlencode:Tom's book}}<!-- The title of the book. This can also be expressed as title, for compatibility with version 0.1. "moby dick or the white whale"
-->{{#if: | &rft.atitle={{urlencode:{{{chapter}}}}} }}<!-- Chapter title. Chapter title is included if it is a distinct title, e.g. "The Push Westward."
-->{{#if: Tom | &rft.aulast={{urlencode:Tom}} }}<!-- First author's family name. This may be more than one word ... e.g. Smith, Fred James is recorded as "aulast=smith"
-->{{#if: | &rft.aufirst={{urlencode:{{{first}}}}} }}<!-- First author's given name or names or initials. This data element may contain multiple words and punctuation, e.g. "Fred F", "Fred James"
-->{{#if: | &rft.au={{urlencode:{{{author}}}}} }}<!-- This data element contains the full name of a single author, e.g. "Smith, Fred M", "Harry S. Truman".
-->{{#if: <!--
--> | &rft.date={{urlencode:{{{date}}}}} <!-- Date of publication. ISO 8601 is allowed and preferred by us, although
--> | {{#if: 2006 | &rft.date={{urlencode:2006}} }} }}<!-- "Book dates are assumed to be a single year."
-->{{#if: | &rft.edition={{urlencode:{{{edition}}}}} }}<!-- Statement of the edition of the book. This will usually be a phrase, with or without numbers, but may be a single number, e.g. "First edition", "4th ed."
-->{{#if: | &rft.pub={{urlencode:{{{publisher}}}}} }}<!-- Publisher name. "Harper and Row"
-->{{#if: | &rft.place={{urlencode:{{{location}}}}} }}<!-- Place of publication. "New York"
-->{{#if: | &rft.pages={{urlencode:{{{page}}}}} }}<!-- Start and end pages for parts of a book, e.g. "124-147" ... This data element includes the OpenURL 0.1 definition of "pages".
-->{{#if: | &rft.series={{urlencode:{{{series}}}}} }}<!-- The title of a series in which the book or document was issued. There may also be an ISSN associated with the series.
-->{{#if: | &rft.isbn={{{isbn}}} }}<!-- International Standard Book Number (ISBN) ... i.e. "057117678X" but it may contain hyphens, e.g. "1-878067-73-7"
-->{{#if: | &rft_id=info:oclcnum/{{{oclc}}} }}<!--
-->{{#if: | &rft_id=info:doi/{{urlencode:{{{doi}}}}} }}<!--
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-->"><span style="display: none;">&nbsp;</span></span>
--- [[User:CharlesGillingham|CharlesGillingham]] ([[User talk:CharlesGillingham|talk]]) 07:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

: See [[#name anchor]] and [[#Changing the value for "cite id="]] --[[User:Adoniscik|Adoniscik]]<sup><small>([[User_talk:Adoniscik|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Adoniscik|c]])</small></sup> 15:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Format for chapterurl ==

{{editprotected}}
Hi,

If a URL is provided for a CHAPTER url, there is no way to specify its format. Therefore please add the following code

<pre>{{
#if: {{{chapterformat|}}} | &#32;({{{chapterformat}}})
}}</pre>
immediately after the code


== External links ==
<pre>{{
*{{ann anime|id=540|title=Crayon Shin-chan}}
#if: {{{chapter|}}}
*http://www.jetix.co.uk/fktv/shows/0,6248,2482,00.html - Website of JETIX UK Shin Chan anime release [DEAD LINK]
| &#32;"{{
*http://www.futabasha.co.jp/sinchan/ - Futabasha's Crayon Shin-chan website {{ja icon}}
#if: {{{chapterurl|}}}
*http://www.futabasha.co.jp/ke-tai/shinchan.html - Futabasha's Shin-chan cell phone page {{ja icon}}
| [{{{chapterurl}}} {{{chapter}}}]
*http://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/shinchan/ - [[TV Asahi]] Shin-chan website {{ja icon}}
| {{{chapter}}}
*http://www.shinchan-movie.com/ - Website of Crayon Shin-chan the movie {{ja icon}}
}}",}}</pre>
*http://www.shinchanshow.com/ FUNimation's Shin-chan website {{en icon}}
*http://tviv.org/Crayon_Shin-chan - Shin Chan @ The TV IV (contains extensive information on North American dub) {{en icon}}
*http://www.kikutv.com/shows/Japanese_Programs/Inactive/crayon_shinchan/index.html - KIKU TV in Hawaiis archived listing of Crayon Shinchan.
*[http://www.myspace.com/shinnohara Shin Chan] [[Myspace]] (Created by [[FUNimation]])


<!--For the FUNimation English dub-->


[[Category:1990 introductions]]
Once this has been done, could someone update the documentation accordingly, please?
[[Category:1992 television series debuts]]
[[Category:Anime of 1992]]
[[Category:Comedy anime and manga]]
[[Category:Dub parody]]
[[Category:Ecchi anime and manga]]
[[Category:Funimation Entertainment]]
[[Category:Manga of 1990]]
[[Category:Seinen]]
[[Category:Child characters in anime and manga]]


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Revision as of 04:58, 13 October 2008

Crayon Shin-chan
GenreComedy, Slice of life story
Manga
Written byYoshito Usui
Published byJapan Futabasha
MagazineJapan Weekly Manga Action
Manga Town
DemographicSeinen
Original run1990 – present
Volumes47
Anime
Directed byMitsuru Hongo (1992-1996)
Keiichi Hara (1996-2004)
Yuji Muto (2004-)
StudioShin'ei Doga
Released April 13, 1992 – present

Crayon Shin-chan (クレヨンしんちゃん, Kureyon Shin-chan, also known as Shin-chan in the United States) is a Japanese manga and anime series written by Yoshito Usui.

Crayon Shin-chan follows the antics of five-year-old Shinnosuke "Shin" Nohara and his parents, neighbors, and friends and is set in Kasukabe, Saitama Prefecture, Japan.

Basic information

Crayon Shin-chan first appeared in a Japanese weekly magazine called Weekly Manga Action, which is published by Futabasha. The anime Crayon Shin-chan has been on TV Asahi since April 13 1992, and has also been aired by Cartoon Network, the anime television network, Animax across Japan, Hungama TV in India, and in several other countries worldwide.

Many of the jokes in the series stem from Shin-chan's occasionally weird, unnatural and inappropriate use of language, as well as from his inappropriate behavior. Consequently, non-Japanese readers and viewers may find it difficult to understand his jokes. In fact, some of them cannot be translated into other languages. In Japanese, certain set phrases almost always accompany certain actions; many of these phrases have standard responses. A typical gag involves Shin-chan confounding his parents by using the wrong phrase for the occasion; for example, saying "Welcome back!" instead of "I am back!" when he comes home.

During the beginning of the series, the TV show was mostly based on the storyline in the comic books. As the show progressed, more and more episodes became anime-original.

Characters

Main article: List of Crayon Shin-chan characters

English-language adaptations

English anime

An English subtitled version of Crayon Shin-chan ran on KIKU-TV in Hawaii from April 1, 1993 - December 1, 2001. (1)

Vitello/Phuuz Production

The Shin-chan anime had an English dub produced by Vitello Productions in Burbank, California in 1994. The dub, with character names changed, ran on Fox Kids (now JETIX) in the United Kingdom, and on RTÉ Two in the Republic of Ireland in the early 2000s. The dub is of American origin, with actors and actresses such as Kath Soucie, Russi Taylor, Grey DeLisle, and Pat Fraley playing major roles (Soucie plays Shin himself, and his mother). Despite the American origin, this dub was never licensed in North America, likely something to do with the large amount of content that would be considered questionable for children by American censors; although the dub is edited for content, many scenes—including the frequent appearance of Shin's naked buttocks, humor relating to breast-size, transsexualism and other sexual concepts—remain in the finished product. RTÉ Two has not shown the series since 2003, and Jetix only usually shows it as shorts in between programs, with even more edits. Vitello's dub was succeeded by Phuuz Entertainment inc. in 2003, which featured a new cast of voice artists.

English FUNimation version

FUNimation Entertainment has acquired the license for the Shin-chan anime in the US as of 2006. [1] As per all international licenses for the series, TV Asahi remained a licensing partner for North America. The new dub received a month-long test run on Cartoon Network on the Adult Swim programming block. Season 1 returned to Adult Swim on April 9th, 2007, at a 12:30 am EDT timeslot. [2]

The new dub features a Texas-based cast of voice actors, and English scripts written by television writers Jared Hedges, Joel Bergen, Alex Muniz, and a few part-time writers. Comic and television writers Evan Dorkin and Sarah Dyer also contributed to the early scripts (episodes 1-6 and 8) for polish/punch-up. The dub is directed by Zach Bolton, and occasionally Laura Bailey.

FUNimation's dubbing of "Shin Chan" takes many liberties with the source material. Since most episodes do not feature extensive continuity, FUNimation has chosen to take advantage of this by producing episodes of the series out of their original order. As a result, characters such as Ai are introduced much earlier than in the series' original Japanese run.

The FUNimation dub is adult-oriented, with many sexual references, dark humor, and references to current popular American culture, the latter of which makes the series appear to be set in the "present day" (2007), rather than in 1992 (the year the series was first broadcast in Japan). For example, in one scene, Ai and Penny argue over which one of them is Jessica Simpson (whose first album wasn't released until the late 90s) and which one is Ashlee Simpson (whose first album wasn't released until the early 2000s), which is very different from the original Japanese script that dealt with many social issues within Japan at the time. At least two episodes reference Rudy Guliani and his unsuccessful bid for President.

The show also created new, previously non-existent backstories, as well as significantly different personalities for the characters, including, but not limited to, Penny Milfer's father (who has yet to appear in the series) being physically abusive toward both his wife and daughter, a running gag that the show uses for black humor. The Principal of Shin's school ("Super Happy Fun Time American School" in the dub) has also been substantially changed, becoming a half Gypsy, half Peruvian man with a complicated prior life that includes a stint as a magician, in which he accidentally killed/castrasted scores of audience members. Miss Polly, one of the teachers, has been rewritten as a kinky nymphomaniac, while Shin's schoolmate Georgie (Kazama in Japanese) has been turned into an absurdly hawkish conservative.

The use of modern American pop culture references to a show otherwise dated by the times was also used in Geneon's dub of the Lupin the 3rd 1977 series. Most episodes of the American dub have received a rating of TV-14, for its relatively strong suggestive dialogue (D) and coarse language (L). However, some episodes are rated TV-MA for more offensive language, stronger sexual dialogue, and objectionable humor/content deemed too strong for a TV-14 rating. Outlines of the episodes used by FUNimation can be found here.

FUNimation episodes are streamed online weekly at Adult Swim's free broadband service, Adult Swim Video, although it is not available worldwide as the Internet Broadcasting rights prevent broadcasting to audiences outside of the continental US. Also, the tenth episode that was dubbed is available at AdultSwim.com for free as an interactive video. In addition to watching the episode, one can watch video commentary from the FUNimation staff, booth recordings, script comparisons, bios, show artwork, and other special features. The episode can be viewed here.

The first thirteen episodes were released on DVD May 13, 2008, by FUNimation Home Entertainment. Season 2 began airing on Adult Swim on April 12th, 2008, and continues with new episodes each week on Saturday Nights, while initially at 1:30-2:00 am ET/PT, it has since been moved to 11:00-11:30 pm ET/PT. However, this only lasted for two weeks and the show was pushed back to the midnight slot on August 9, 2008. As of September 13, 2008, the show has been pulled from the Adult Swim broadcast schedule, with six episodes in the season remaining. However, those episodes will still be shown online via Adult Swim Video.

English manga

ComicsOne has translated ten volumes of Shin-chan into English and released it in the United States. Occasional pop culture references familiar to Americans, such as Pokémon and Britney Spears, were added to increase the appeal to American audiences. The comic is oriented to read left to right. Starting with the sixth volume, many of the names were changed to the ones used in the Phuuz English version of the anime, even though the anime never appeared in North America. This translation is rated Teen.

Since then, American publisher DrMaster took over the licenses of several manga series, including Crayon Shin-chan, from ComicsOne. No new volumes of Crayon Shin-chan were released under the DrMaster imprint.

On July 28, 2007, DC Comics' manga division CMX announced the acquisition of the Crayon Shin-chan manga. The CMX version is rated Mature instead of Teen from ComicsOne, because there is no censorship in this version, and so there is nudity, sexual humor, and bad language.

The first volume was released on February 27, 2008, with uncensored art, and the style of jokes that frequent the Adult Swim dub, but with some throw backs to the original version, such as his original greeting. Unfortunately, cultural references which Comics One would normally pick up on and add footnotes to are generally glossed over in the CMX version. That is not to say the new version has been Westernized as much as given a simplified Japanese setting. While that might not affect the story, it might affect the enjoyment of a non-Japanese reader interested in gaining more insight into Japanese culture.

Shin-chan in other countries

Crayon Shin-chan is also very popular in many other countries, especially East Asian countries where many of the jokes can be translated (that is, if they aren't censored).

In China, the show and title La Bi Xiao Xin (simplified Chinese: 蜡笔小新; traditional Chinese: 蠟筆小新; pinyin: làbǐ xiǎoxīn) can be viewed on local channels mostly uncensored and well translated. Despite the fact that legal DVD sets and comics are published, most manga/videos bought in China are counterfeits as with Shinchan merchandise. Shinchan merchandise are especially popular among teenagers who often have them as accessories. (eg. cell phone straps) His visage can also be seen next to Doraemon, Garfield, Pokémon and Disney characters in video and toy stores.

In Taiwan, the publisher of Crayon Shin-chan is Tong Li Comics. A Chinese subtitled version of Crayon Shin-chan in Japanese premiered in Taiwan on ETTV on April 13, 1992

In Vietnam, the series' first 5 books were released in July and August 2006. However, Crayon Shinchan received a bad reaction from the Vietnamese society due to some impertinent scenes contained within the books, especially the sex-related stories (starting from The Workers Newspaper).[1] Even VTV (one of the two nationwide broadcasting systems) criticized the series on its main news program. Due to intense social pressure, Kim Dong publisher (distributor of Crayon Shinchan in Vietnam) must stop releasing the series.[2]

In South Korea, the show and comics, titled 짱구는 못말려 (Jjanggu the Unstoppable, literally), are also tremendously popular. Shin-chan's name is changed into "Shin Jjanggu" (신짱구), which is coined by his original Japanese name and the Korean word "jjanggu" (짱구) for "protruding forehead." In Korea, the animated version is severely censored - compared to the original Japanese version. Most South Koreans consider it a kids' cartoon, since many toys and website games there center around 짱구 and is represented as an icon for childish fun there. Scenes revealing Shin-Chan's genitals are mostly censored, with exception to few scenes in which exposure is inevitable, and only few scenes with his buttocks shown remain. Some episodes explicitly displaying adult material are censored, and all mature-themed jokes in the original Japanese version are dubbed into rated-G jokes in Korean to make the series more suitable for children, who were considered the main audience for the show in Korea. However, the comic book version is mostly uncensored, labeled as "for 19 or above."

Shin-chan is one of the most popular anime characters in Indonesia. The Indonesian actor who dubbed Shin-chan's voice (a man aged about twenty but looks like a 12 year old because of a genetic defect), Ony Syahrial, has released multiple records and is even said to resemble Shin-chan. The anime itself was extremely popular yet controversial. It is the first animated show to have a BO (an Indonesian equivalent to the United States rating "PG"). All the dubbers of the anime found success thanks to the show.

Shin-chan found a devoted following in Spain, where the show is broadcast through Cartoon Network, Antena 3 and several autonomic channels in four different languages: Catalan, Euskara, Galician and Castilian/Spanish. The show is uncensored, and in Barcelona (for instance) you can see children wiggling their buttocks and saying "Culet! Culet!" (in the show, Shin Chan says "Buttocks! Buttocks!" when he performs his trademark buttock dance) and is slowing replacing Dragon Ball as an iconic Japanese reference for younger people. Additionally many food products (candies, doughnuts and so on) use Shin Chan on the product packaging. It has proved so successful that several Shin-chan movies have seen a theatrical release nationwide. Also, Spain is the only country outside Japan where a Game Boy Advance game [3] based in the character was released (in 2005 by publisher Atari), with a sequel to follow in Q3 2006 [4]. Despite its success, some TV channels had to move the show to night programming or drop it completely after complaints by parents associations who claimed Shin-chan was not appropriate for children, the biggest followers of the show. Yoshito Usui visited Barcelona in 2004 in order to promote the Spanish release of the manga, when the show was already airing on Catalonia's public television channel TV3. Usui was so impressed by Shin-Chan's popularity he decided to thank his Spanish followers [5] by making an episode that takes place in Barcelona. A curious fact is that the episode is extremely accurate to real life Barcelona (Taxi cabs are in the same specific livery as you can find them in Barcleona) making the episode quite interesting.

The show is also very popular in the Netherlands. Since its start in 2003 on the local Fox Kids / Jetix channel, it was - at first - mostly popular among kids aged 6-12, but not much later also got started a huge following among teens and even young adults. Due to the many sexual jokes and naked buttocks (even though in an edited and sometimes even censored form), and Fox Kids / Jetix being mainly a kids channel, the broadcaster started getting complaints from parents. Putting the facts together that the show appealed to an almost completely different target group, and the many complaints from parents, the channel reduced the amount of airing slots to once or twice a week. Then soon after to one episode short (ten minutes) a week, before being completely fased out. Shins popularity remains, but adult and teen oriented channels remain hesitant of airing the series, due to cartoons having a reputation in the Dutch culture as being 'just for kids', no matter if there's sexual content or not.

In Malaysia, Shin-chan's comic is titled as Dik Cerdas, which roughly means "brilliant kid". Shin-chan's voice in the Malay language version of the anime is voiced by a 15-year-old. Like in South Korea, pictures revealing Shin-Chan's genitals were all censored by cutting the scenes. Mandarin versions however, are not as heavily censored. They are rarer, however and can only be found in places with high Chinese speaking populations.

This show was broadcast in the Philippines, uncensored and dubbed in Filipino. Shin-chan was voiced by Andrew E., a local rapper notorious for his suggestive lyrics. His mother is called "Carmen", his father was called "Bert", and his dog was named "Puti", which means white.

In Latin America, Shin-chan was originally shown on Fox Kids / JETIX in 2003, but was later moved to a new channel at the time, Animax, in mid-2005. There, the episodes are shown weekdays, 3 to 4 times a day, and are dubbed over the English edited versions of the anime.

In India, Shin-chan is aired on Hungama TV. Shin-chan is growing in fame rapidly in India. Bō is renamed to Suzuki. To promote other shows on Hungama TV, the show parodies other shows like Doraemon, which airs just before Crayon Shin-chan. Because it is dubbed in Hindi, the Japanese songs are changed into popular Bollywood numbers. Hungama TV has started airing new episodes from 1st January, 2008. The Indian version is one of the closer versions to the original show because of little or no censorship in some later episodes. However, beer has been renamed to juice in later versions. Also, whenever Shin-chan gets naked, the groin area is either blurred by pixels or the screen is simply zoomed to the other side to remove the nakedness.

In Poland, Shin-chan was aired on Fox Kids / Jetix at 11 P.M. in a Polish dub. The Polish version is based on American version and is uncensored.

Running times

Crayon Shin-chan's running time varied over time. The show usually broadcasts in a 30-minute time frame but the actual running time is shorter than the time slot allots. When specials or movies are broadcast on TV, the running time is longer, varying from 1 hour to 2 hours.

Japan

All the times listed here are in Japan Standard Time.
Running Time Starting Date Ending Date Effects
7:00 pm - 7:30 pm on Mondays April 13, 1992 March 18, 1996 The beginning of Crayon Shin-chan show on television.
7:30 pm - 8:00 pm on Fridays April 12, 1996 March 17, 2000 Replacement of a low popularity show in the time slot, right after Doraemon.
7:30 pm - 7:54 pm on Fridays April 14, 2000 March 22, 2002 Shortened running time in order to allow a longer running time for the next show, Music Station. Formerly, one episode out of the three was shortened significantly and the ending theme and new episode broadcast announcements were condensed together. Sometimes, the short episode was shown right before the opening theme. After a while, the show reduced to two episodes per broadcast and the ending theme and episode broadcast announcements were separated to restore into original run format.
7:00 pm - 7:30 pm on Saturdays April 20, 2002 September 13, 2003 Moved to Saturdays in order to allow the broadcasting of a new show, Atashin'chi. Since the running time increased, the number of episodes per broadcast increased from two back to three.
7:00 pm - 7:28 pm on Saturdays November 8, 2003 September 27, 2004 Shortened running time in order to allow a longer running time for the next show, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. During this time, there was no ending theme.
7:30 pm - 7:54 pm on Fridays October 22, 2004
——
 Moved to replace Atashin'chi for other programs to broadcast in its time slot on Saturdays. The number of episodes per broadcast again decreased from three to two.

India

All the times listed here are in Indian Standard Time.
Running Time Starting Date Ending Date Effects
10:00 am - 10:30 am
3:00 pm - 3:30 pm
5:00 pm - 5:30 pm
10:30 pm - 11:00pm
Mondays through Fridays
1:30 pm on Sundays 		June 2006 April 2007 The beginning of Crayon Shin-chan show on Hungama TV in India. Re-runs are on weekends. January 2008
7:00 am - 7:30 am
1:00 pm - 1:30 pm
3:00 pm - 3:30 pm
5:00 pm - 5:30 pm
7:30 pm - 8:30 pm
10:30 pm - 11:00 pm
Mondays through Fridays
2:30 pm - 7:30 pm on Saturdays
1:30 pm on Sundays
 April 21, 2007 January 1, 2008 Airing of new episodes and increased number of time slots.

United States

All times listed here are Hawaiian Standard Time
Running Time Starting Date Ending Date Notes
9:30 pm - 10:00 pm
(Saturday)
April 4, 1993
December 1, 2001
 Subtitled run on KIKU-TV, limited to station broadcast area in Hawaii.[3]
All times listed here are North American Eastern Time
Running Time Starting Date Ending Date Notes
12:30 am - 1:00 am
Mondays through Thursdays
11:30 pm - 12:00 am on Saturdays
August 19, 2006
September 9, 2006
 Test run of American-dubbed Shin-chan on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim.
12:30 am - 1:00 am
Mondays through Thursdays
April 9, 2007
June 7, 2007
 The beginning of Shin-chan show on Adult Swim - Season 1.
11:30 pm - 12:00 am
Saturdays
June 9, 2007
August 11, 2007
 Season 1 replays.
12:30 am - 1:00 am
Mondays through Friday
December 10, 2007
February 15, 2008
 The remainder of Shin-chan: Season 1. Replays of Season 1 thereafter.
11:30 pm - 12:00 am
Saturdays
April 5, 2008
April 26, 2008
 Season 2 airs.
1:30 am - 2:00 am
Saturdays
May 3, 2008
July 19, 2008
 Season 2 continues.
11:00 pm - 11:30 pm
Saturdays
July 26, 2008
August 2, 2008
 Season 2 continues at earlier time, replacing Inuyasha. This only lasted for two weeks, however.
12:00 am - 12:30 am
Saturdays
August 9, 2008
September 6, 2008
 The show gets pushed back to the midnight slot and Season 2 continues. After the September 6th airing, it has been pulled from the broadcast schedule with six episodes from Season 2 remaining. Those episodes will still be shown online on Adult Swim Video however.

Canada

All the times listed here are in North American Eastern Time.
Running Time Starting Date Ending Date Effects
01:30 am - 02:00 am
Saturday
 March, 2008 Season two

Shin Chan is also aired on SIC channel in Portugal.

Theme Songs

Opening Themes

  • Japan
  1. "The Zoo is a Nightmare" (動物園は大変だ, Dōbutsuen wa Taihen da)
  2. "The End of a Dream is Always an Eye-Opener!" (夢のENDはいつも目覚まし！, Yume no END wa Itsumo Mezamashi!)
    • October 12, 1992 - July 5, 1993
    • Lyricist: Daiko Nagato / Composer: Tetsuro Oda / Arranger: Takeshi Hayama / Singers: B.B.QUEENS
    • Episode Range: 22-57
  3. "I am Super Popular" (オラはにんきもの, Ora wa Ninki Mono)
  4. "Let's Go With Pakappo!" (パカッポでGO！, Pakappo de GO!)
  5. "All Year Through Crazy For You - 'I Want You'" (年中夢中"I want you", Nenjū Muchū "I want you")
  6. "Fly Fly Ladies" (とべとべ おねいさん, Tobe Tobe Oneisan)
  7. "The Song of No's" (ダメダメのうた, Dame Dame no Uta)
    • June 2, 2000 - January 11, 2003
    • Lyricist/Composer: LADY Q / Arranger: Toshiya Mori / Singers: LADY Q and Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima) and Misae Nohara (Miki Narahashi)
    • Episode Range: 359-458
  8. "PLEASURE"
  9. "Leisurely De-O!" (ユルユルで DE-O！, Yuruyuru de DE-O!)
    • October 22, 2004 - February 23, 2007
    • Lyricist: Yuji Muto / Composer/Arranger: Yasunari Nakamura / Singer: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima)
    • Episode Range: 509-594
  10. "Leisurely De-O! Crayon Friends 2007 Version" (ユルユルで DE-O！ 2007クレヨンフレンズVersion, Yuruyuru de DE-O! 2007 Kureyon Furenzu Version)
    • March 9, 2007 - June 15, 2007
    • Lyricist: Yuji Muto / Composer: Yasunari Nakamura / Arranger: Takafumi Iwasaki / Singer: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima) and Crayon Friends from AKB48
    • Episode Range: 595-602
  11. "Leisurely De-O!" (ユルユルで DE-O！, Yuruyuru de DE-O!)
    • June 22, 2007 -
    • Lyricist: Yuji Muto/ Composer: Yasunari Nakamura / Arranger: Takafumi Iwasaki / Singer: Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima) and Crayon Friends from AKB48
    • Episode Range: 603-???

Ending themes

  • Japan
  1. "Sing a Song" (うたをうたおう, Uta o Utaō)
  2. "I Want to be Honest" (素直になりたい, Sunao ni Naritai)
    • October 12, 1992 - July 5, 1993
    • Lyricist/Composer/Singer: Hiromi Yonemura / Arranger: Itaru Watanabe
    • Episode Range: 22-57
  3. "Why?" (DO-して, DO-shite)
  4. "Shin-chan Ondo" (しんちゃん音頭, Shinchan Ondo)
    • June 6, 1994 - August 29, 1994
    • Lyricist: Moichi Kato / Composers/Arrangers: Ozutairiku and Yasuhiko Hoshino / Singers: Yuko and Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima)
    • Episode Range: 100-112
  5. "Party Join Us Daisakusen" (パリジョナ大作戦, Parijona Daisakusen)
    • September 5, 1994 - September 18, 1995
    • Lyricist: Marron Koshaku / Composer/Arranger: Takashi Kimura / Singers: Marron Koshaku and Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima)
    • Episode Range: 113-160
  6. "REGGAE"
    • October 9, 1995 - May 24, 1996
    • Lyricist/Singer: KOTONE / Composers: KEISUKE and Yoichi Yamazaki / Arranger: Yuzo Hayashi
    • Episode Range: 161-188
  7. "Shin-chan Ondo ~Dance With Me!~" (しんちゃん音頭～オラといっしょにおどろうよ!～, Shinchan Ondo ~Ora to Issho ni Odorō yo!~)
    • June 7, 1996 - September 13, 1996
    • Lyricist: Moichi Kato / Composers: Ozutairiku and Yasuhiko Hoshino / Arrangers: Daisaku Kume and Kiyohiko Semba / Singers: Haruo Minami and Shinnosuke Nohara (Akiko Yajima)
    • Episode Range: 189-202
  8. "Boys Be Brave" (BOYS BE BRAVE～少年よ勇気を持て～, BOYS BE BRAVE ~Shōnen yo Yūki o Mote~)
    • October 11, 1996 - September 26, 1997
    • Lyricists: Aki Okui and Lemon Saito / Composer/Singer: Aki Okui / Arranger: Akitoshi Onodera
    • Episode Range: 203-248
  9. "The Night of Gently Falling Moonlight" (月灯りふんわり落ちてくる夜, Tsuki Akari Funwari Ochite Kuru Yoru)
  10. "I Love My Girl" (スキスキ♡マイガール, Sukisuki ♡ Mai Gāru)
    • November 27, 1998 - March 2000
    • Lyricist/Composer: KAORU / Arrangers: Tsuyoshi Yamanaka and L'luvia / Singers: L'luvia
    • Episode Range: 298-358
  11. "Today I've Got a Date" (今日はデート, Kyō wa Dēto)
    • June 2, 2000 - March 2001
    • Lyricist/Composer: Ke-chan / Singer: Kamaboko
    • Episode Range: 359-397
  12. "I Love All of You." (全体的に大好きです。, Zentai Teki ni Daisuki desu.)
  13. "The Song of My Contract with My Mother" (ママとのお約束条項の歌, Mama to no Oyakusoku Jōkō no Uta)
  14. "The Ant Song" (ありの歌, Ari no Uta)
  • English
  1. "Party Join Us"
    • Singer: Brina Palencia
    • Episode Range: 1-current
    • (originally, the 5th ending song)

Movies

  • July 24, 1993: Crayon Shin-chan: Action Kamen vs Haigure Devil (クレヨンしんちゃん アクション仮面VSハイグレ魔王, Kureyon Shinchan: Akushon Kamen tai Haigure Maō)
    • Theme Song: "I am an Eternal Child" (僕は永遠のお子様, Boku wa Eien no Okosama)
    • Lyricist: Shizuru Ohtaka / Composer: Osamu Masaki / Arranger: Yuzo Hayashi / Singer: Mew (Miyuki Kajitani)
  • April 23, 1994: Crayon Shin-chan: Treasure of Buri Buri Kingdom (クレヨンしんちゃん ブリブリ王国の秘宝, Kureyon Shinchan: Buriburi Ōkoku no Hihō)
    • Theme Song: "Promise to See You!" (約束See You！, Yakusoku See You!)
    • Lyricist: AIKO / Composer: Akira Shirakawa / Arranger: Mari Konishi / Singer: Kyoko Kishi
  • April 15, 1995: Crayon Shin-chan: Plot of Unkokusai (クレヨンしんちゃん 雲黒斎の野望, Kureyon Shinchan: Unkokusai no Yabō)
    • Theme Song: "Help Me Kesuta" (たすけてケスタ, Tasukete Kesuta)
    • Lyricist: Nozomi Inoue / Composer: Yasuo Kosugi / Arranger: Yuzo Hayashi / Singer: Sachiko Sugimoto
  • April 13, 1996: Crayon Shin-chan: Adventure in Henderland (クレヨンしんちゃん ヘンダーランドの大冒険, Kureyon Shinchan: Hendārando no Daibōken)
  • April 19, 1997: Crayon Shin-chan: Pursuit of the Dark Tama Tama (クレヨンしんちゃん 暗黒タマタマ大追跡, Kureyon Shinchan: Ankoku Tamatama Daitsuiseki)
    • Theme Song: Himawari's House (ひまわりの家, Himawari no Ie)
    • Lyricist/Composer/Arranger/Singer: Kazuo Zaitsu
  • April 18, 1998: Crayon Shin-chan: Blitzkrieg! Pig's Hoof's Secret Mission (クレヨンしんちゃん 電撃！ブタのヒヅメ大作戦, Kureyon Shinchan: Dengeki! Buta no Hizume Daisakusen)
    • Theme Song: "PURENESS"
    • Lyricists: IZAM, SAKA Chan / Composers: KUZUKI, SHAZNA / Arrangers: Nobuhiko Sato, Kazuhisa Yamaguchi, SHAZNA / Singers: SHAZNA
  • April 17, 1999: Crayon Shin-chan: Boom! Exciting Battle at the Hot Spring/Kureshin Paradise! Made in Saitama (クレヨンしんちゃん 爆発！温泉わくわく大決戦／クレしんパラダイス！メイド・イン・埼玉, Kureyon Shinchan: Bakuhatsu! Onsen Wakuwaku Daikessen/Kureshin Paradaisu! Meido In Saitama)
    • Theme Song: "It's Good Hot Water" (いい湯だな, Ii Yu da na)
    • Lyricist: Rokusuke Ei / Composer: Taku Izumi / Arranger: Mumon Toyama / Singers: The Nohara Family & Onsen Wakuwaku '99
  • April 22, 2000: Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called Rumble in the Jungle (クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶジャングル, Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu Janguru)
    • Theme Song: "Goodbye Thank You" (さよならありがとう, Sayonara Arigatō)
    • Lyricist: Takashi Matsumoto / Composer: Toshiaki Matsumoto / Arranger: Motoyoshi Iwasaki / Singer: Sachiko Kobayashi (Chorus: Otowa Yurikago-kai)
  • April 21, 2001: Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Adult Empire Strikes Back (クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ モーレツ！オトナ帝国の逆襲, Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu: Mōretsu! Otona Teikoku no Gyakushū)
    • Theme Song: "In Good Spirits" (元気でいてね, Genki de Ite ne)
    • Lyricist: Mitsuko Shiramine / Composer/Arranger: Motoyoshi Iwasaki / Singer: Sachiko Kobayashi
  • April 20, 2002: Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Battle of the Warring States (クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ アッパレ！戦国大合戦, Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu: Appare! Sengoku Daikassen)
    • Theme Song: "In Two Fantasies ~Girls Taking a Break During Phys. Ed.~" (二中のファンタジー～体育を休む女の子編～, Ni chū no Fantajī ~Taiiku o Yasumu Onnanoko Hen~)
    • Lyricist/Composer/Singer: Dance☆Man
  • April 19, 2003: Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: Glorious Grilled Meat Road (クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ 栄光のヤキニクロード, Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu: Eikō no Yakuniku Rōdo)
  • April 17, 2004: Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Kasukabe Boys of the Evening Sun (クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ！夕陽のカスカベボーイズ, Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu! Yūhi no Kasukabe Bōizu)
    • Theme Song: "Let Me Circle" (○（マル）あげよう, Maru Ageyō)
    • Lyricists: Teruyoshi Uchimura with Boon Companions and Emi Makiho / Composer/Arranger: Yasumasa Sato / Singers: NO PLAN
  • April 16, 2005: Crayon Shin-chan: The Legend Called Buri Buri 3 Minutes Charge (クレヨンしんちゃん 伝説を呼ぶブリブリ 3分ポッキリ大進撃, Kureyon Shinchan: Densetsu o Yobu Buriburi: Sanpun Bokkiri Daishingeki)
    • Theme Song: "CraYon Beats"
    • Lyricist/Singer: AI / Composers: AI, Kenji Hino, DJ YUTAKA (813) / Arrangers: Kenji Hino, DJ YUTAKA (813)
  • April 15, 2006: Crayon Shin-chan: The Legend Called: Dance! Amigo! (クレヨンしんちゃん 伝説を呼ぶ 踊れ！アミーゴ！, Kureyon Shinchan: Densetsu o Yobu: Odore! Amīgo!)
    • Theme Song: "GO WAY!!"
    • Lyricist/Singer: Kumi Koda / Composer/Arranger: Hiroshi Komatsu
  • April 21, 2007: Crayon Shin-chan: The Legend Called: The Singing Bomb (クレヨンしんちゃん 嵐を呼ぶ 歌うケツだけ爆弾！, Kureyon Shinchan: Arashi o Yobu: Utau Ketsudake Bakudan!)
    • Theme Song: "Cry Baby"
    • Lyricist: Naoki Takada / Composers: Naoki Takada and Shintaro "Growth" Izutsu / Arranger: Shintaro "Growth" Izutsu / Singer: SEAMO
  • April 19, 2008: クレヨンしんちゃん　ちょー嵐を呼ぶ　金矛の勇者
    • Theme Song: "Let's go as a popular person!" (人気者で行こう！, Ninkimono de Ikō!)
    • Singer: DJ OZMA

There have been other specials in which feature-length movies were broadcast on television rather than in theaters.

Voice actors

Original japanese version (seiyū)

English version

The first dubbed cast (produced by Vitello Productions) included:

The Second dubbed cast (produced by phuuz entertainment inc.) includes:

The third dubbed cast (produced by FUNimation) includes:

Galician version

  • Ana Lemos - Shinnosuke "Shin-chan" Nohara

Tagalog version

Polish version

  • Brygida Turowska - Shinnosuke "Shin-chan" Nohara
  • Cynthia Kaszyńska - Mitsy Nohara
  • Jarosław Domin - Harry Nohara
  • Dorota Kawęcka - Cosmo
  • Anna Wiśniewska - Nini
  • Lucyna Malec - Max
  • Leszek Zduń - Bo
  • Miriam Aleksandrowicz - Marty
  • Ewa Serwa - Miss Uma^

European Portuguese version

  • Sandra de Castro - Shinnosuke "Shin-chan" Nohara, Max

References

  1. ^ NLĐO - Tre con se hoc tap gi o “Shin - cau be but chi”? ~ Trẻ con sẽ học tập gì ở “Shin - cậu bé bút chì”? - BẠN ĐỌC VIẾT
  2. ^ Ngừng phát hành "Cậu bé bút chì"
  3. ^ KIKU-TV listing of Crayon Shin-chan in schedule archive

External links

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