Talk:Slam dunk

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History

I remember seeing an NBA TV special on the history of dunks, which I believe used to be illegal in the NBA as well. In any case, I remember specifically a line saying it was considered rude and unsportsmanlike to dunk. It seems significant enough to add to the article, but having no specific source to cite I will not yet add it.

Allen Iverson

Allen Iverson is not noted for his slam dunk ability, he's slam dunked like maybe four times in his entire career, i've deleted his name. Also, I've heard that someone recently achieved a 720 slam dunk, i will look for more info as to the validity of this, this could be useful for the Trivia section. Theonejanitor 9:38 4 August 2006

Slam Dunk is the code name for the plot by the U.S. military to take over the Presidency in the 1994 major motion picture "The Enemy Within". Since George Tenet can be presumed to have familiarity with this prominent story, his use of the term is ambiguous at best.Rgdboer 06:28, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

tennet regrets slam dunk comment

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/28/tenet.weaponsremark.ap/index.html


What? Jedre 07:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that people want to have an example... but this is: a) confusing since Iraq didn't have WMDs b) entirely too political for an article on Basketball c) out of place

tone tag

I think the second section ("Dunks in the NBA") has a somewhat odd tone and perhaps even the section itself should be deleted - or rewritten to refect the history of dunks in the NBA. Thoughts? [author1]

Agreed. "no doubt" used twice in same sentence, which is colloquial and also not cited. Players jump higher is not cited (early players couldn't jump high?). Best athletes in the world is unfounded (olympics?). "Though" is capitalized in the middle of a sentence. The passage: "there is some criticism from basketball fundamentalist who say it has damaged the game by corrupting young players into a score first, showboat mindset." contains a singular where there should be a plural and is completly anecdotal.

Paragraph deleted. Jedre 07:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also "the rules have since been altered" re: goaltending is not in reference to a time when they were different.

I've never heard it called a "bang", or a "flush"- maybe in Europe?

1967-1978 is neither correct nor "brief". A link to a conversation with citations about it being lifted beginning 1976, and not officially beginning because of Kareem: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=444206 .

Furthermore - "a term coined" and "the most popular one" are two examples of colloquial language that should be replaced with more formal writing. Jedre 07:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Again - "bang" and "flush"? Can anyone back this up? And the 12 foot world record is hardly so, since most professionals have not attempted. I'd guess someone could make it more than a mere 2 feet above the rim, having watched sportscenter recently. Given that, for one example, Yao Ming's head is at 7'7" or so, I'd say he could manage a 12' dunk. Jedre 05:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you watch ESPN college basketball for any significant length of time, you will hear the term "flush" applied to a dunk shot. I have not heard "bang" though. As for the 12-ft record, there may be players who can do better but they would be exceedingly rare. Keep in mind that the very tallest players, including Yao Ming (who is actually only 7'5") have the least jumping ability. It is rare to see players taller than, say 6'10" or so, get off the ground at all. (Sugar Daddy 15:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Offensive Goaltending

"Strictly speaking, a dunk is considered as offensive goaltending, and this is why dunks were against regulations in the early days of the game. However due to the immense popularity of dunks they were eventually allowed."

I doubt this passages validity, to my knowledge there have been no regualtions against dunking in the NBA. And in the NCAA dunking was only banned in 1966, hardly early in basketball history. In fact in the early days of basketball, the use of peach baskets would have actually made dunking useless since the ball would have simply bounced right out. If sources can't be provided to back up that claim then it should be removed. -(Brodey)

I seriously second that motion. The logic that it is offensive goaltending makes no sense. If a player grabs the rim, and then dunks, that is illegal, but putting the ball directly through the hoop is in no way, and never has been, offensive goaltending. Offensive goaltending is tipping in a ball that is on or directly above the rim, interfering with the shot.

Jedre 07:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"This is essentialy an offensive goaltend, but the rules have since been altered due to the popularity of dunks."

Will people please stop adding that dunking is offensive goaltending, as well to my knowledge dunking has never been banned in the 60 year history of the nba, therefore no rules were ever changed to accomodate it.- Brodey March 26 2006 (UTC)

If you can't provide evidence that it was ever against the rules in the NBA, then it must be assumed that it never was. If it was against the rules then it shouldn't be that difficult to find proof of it.--DavidFuzznut 04:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I was just wondering. Does anyone know what the penalty was if somebody dunked in the NCAA from 1967 to 1976? Was it a technical foul or something else? Just wanted to know. Bigbrainkt (talk) 05:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It does appear that it was considered offensive basket interference: see [1]— Myasuda (talk) 14:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Dunkers

To BigBoyRubio,

Why did you remove Terence Stansbury from the list? He is listed in the NBA website as a dunker of note in the 80's. He is one of a few dunkers who ever scored perfect-50's in the Slam Dunk competition. He was just unfortunate to dunk at an era where Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Spud Webb and Michael Jordan reigned supreme. Just because he does not have a wikipedia article does not mean he has to be excluded from the list.

Ykentwegetalong 18:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Women Dunkers?

Anyone have any insight on Women dunkers? WNBA or NCAA highlight links to include? They dunk, too. Jedre 07:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The only player to dunk in a WNBA game as of yet is Lisa Leslie. I don't know about NCAA, however, but due to the fact the the NCAA is a lot older than the WNBA, there have probably been a couple of woman dunkers there as well. 71.96.179.40 20:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Candice Parker, the freshman player at the University of Tennessee, dunked in several games this past season. The number of women who have dunked in college games can probably be counted on one hand though. (Sugar Daddy 15:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I made somewhat of an ass out of myself by editing an article and reasoning that Candace Parker was the first woman to dunk in the NCAA. The edit I made was still correct, but I felt like a jackass. Sorry, irrelevant, but either that was just because I'm dumb or this part of the article is somewhat confusing because it states the first woman to dunk in an NCAA tournament, but not in the NCAA itself. Maybe we should either find the first woman to do it or just list her as one of the notable female dunkers.

Nice to see Michael Wilson listed here

As noted in the article, Wilson holds the world record for the highest dunk. As I recall, Wilson's vertical jump was measured at 51.5 inches. This was while he was a player at the University of Memphis.

Cut out section: "Notable NBA dunkers"

I cut out the following section because it is a highly subjective listing in violation of WP:NOR. I replaced it with the more verifiable Category:NBA Slam Dunk Contest champions. Onomatopoeia 14:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guards

Forwards

Centers

First Dunk

There should be information on the first dunk, I can not find reliable information, but I find that George Mikan was the first in a professional game. Dysalot 21:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of content from The leaner

I suggest that the content of this page belongs here, if anywhere. Any thoughts? Feeeshboy 04:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This dunk is iconic and symbolizes the age of the dunk more so than any other dunk. I'd argue that simply expanding the 'Slam Dunk' section to include 'The Leaner' is doing the leaner a disservice by denying that it holds a special place in basketball lore. It wasn't just a dunk; it was an event. --Natster237 04:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your contribution and think it definitely should be mentioned, but I think your point of view is not the sole factor to be considered. The leaner is a very short article, with only a blog for a source, and currently none of its pictures have properly confirmed copyright status (thus are scheduled for deletion). I suggested this merge in order to save some of the valuable content, because the article itself may meet qualifications for deletion. Feeeshboy 04:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate what you're trying to do, Feeesyboy, however I think that you're missing the point. As part of the basketball community, I find it appalling that there is no reference to this dunk in all of Wikipedia. It's my understanding that Wikipedia is a community, and simply because I may not be able to provide all of the things that you're referring to right away that doesn't mean that somebody else won't be able to.. In addition, I used what I could as a source for now with the intention of finding more as time goes on. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will the article on 'The Leaner' be. Thank you for fighting on Wikipedia's behalf, Feeeshboy, but let's not create a crusade where none is needed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Natster237 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

What differentiates dunking from so many other sporting feats is the high level of improvisation that can go into a particular dunk. Jordan is easily the most popular dunker of all time because of his ability to create spectacular dunks that had never been fathomed before. The leaner was such an unbelievable occurrence because of its novelty and the fact that it seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was truly a singular, one of a kind work of physical athleticism. Years later it is being voted the greatest dunk of all time, and it has the unique quality of being easily identifiable by name. Just as it holds a special place in basketball lore, without question it should have its own Wiki entry.

Okay... does anyone who's NOT a sock puppet have an opinion on this? Feeeshboy 00:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support the merge . . . but there's not much content to begin with, the source article is poorly written, and someone has already inserted a clumsy sentence regarding it into the current Slam dunk article. Myasuda 02:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
sock puppet??? it's obvious that you're a huge loser but that's beside the point. you claim to actually care about this site but you run around insulting people? don't you understand that that's not in the spirit of collaboration?


Alright guys, my intention wasn't to start a verbal war over an article about a famous dunk lol. I hope the article gets time to grow, either by my hand or somebody elses. It appears, however, that my inability to watch the posts like a hawk all the time might simply make that wish impossible to fulfill. BTW, I didn't write the previous post supporting keeping the leaner...what would doing something like that accomplish? I might be signing off from Wikipedia for awhile as I don't have the time to constantly follow up on issues like this, but best of luck with your cause, Feeeshyboy. Natster237 06:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge complete. The leaner has been tagged for proposed deletion and redirect to Slam dunk. Feeeshboy 22:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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