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Landing craft during Zapad 2009
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on July 9

Articles created/expanded on July 8

  • ... that the 1880s Victorian Hale House (pictured), with its exuberant ornamentation and color scheme, has been called "the most photographed house" in Los Angeles? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 06:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 7

  • ... that, in 1846, George Pope Morris (pictured) was one of two founders of the periodical that would become Town & Country, which is still published today? (Self-nom; originally created article and also expanded) --Midnightdreary (talk) 03:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 5X expansion, DYK date, and image verified. Since the sources are not freely accessible via the Internet, please add quotations from the sources to article reference numbers 1 and 7 to allow DYK to verify the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 14:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? I'm not familiar with this policy and I'm not sure how to proceed. Response on talk page preferred. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the tablet known as Gabriel’s Revelation, written before the birth of Christ, reportedly tells of a man killed by the Romans and resurrected after three days? - created with User:Sandwich Eater and others - Lampman (talk) 00:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This has serious POV issues since the main sources are mainstream media, who have a track record of getting these things wrong. Mangoe (talk) 02:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The topic originated two days on July 6, 2008 in the New York Times and would fit better in the "In the news" section of the main page. GregManninLB (talk) 15:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: Wikipedia's coverage of the topic is not (well, at least need not be) POV. However, the topic itself is controversial. If the stone is true, then the unique story of Jesus Christ's death and resurrection was not in fact unique but part of a recognized Jewish tradition at the time. In other words, billions of people over the past 2,000 years were wrong. Also, the name of the stone is controversial. The Angel Gabriel's revelations to the Prophet Mohammed six centuries after the birth of Christ are the foundation of Wahhabism's puritanical version of Islam. For 23 years, beginning in 610 A.D., Muhammad memorized Gabriel's revelations and dictated them in 114 chapters of the Koran. Calling this stone Gabriel's Revelations is an attempt to trade off historic beliefs to make this stone more acceptable. With the passage of time, the controversial issues should work themselves out to make it easier to present a non-POV Wikipedia article on the topic. GregManninLB (talk) 15:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length and ref ok. Lampman (talk) 00:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The English translation of the source supporting the hook doesn't seem to mention anything about most trafficked car ferry route in Norway. Please provide a English quotation from the source at the end of the article reference supporting the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The bot translator translates the term "som er landets mest trafikkerte fergestrekning" into "as am country mainly the traffic fergestrekning". This should of course be translated "that is the countries most trafficked ferry route". It should be sufficient that User:Lampman (who I believe is a Norwegian speaker) can bough for the reference. There is no requirement that the DYK fact must be cited from an English source. Arsenikk (talk) 17:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can also confirm the reference. That's one horrible translator bot, by the way, if I didn't speak Norwegian I wouldn't have been able to understand a anything at all from the Moss Avis article. Manxruler (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to take our word over the translator bot, which makes the headline out to be "Genocide ø about city trafikkproblemer". How about that as an alternative hook: Did you know "...that genocide ø about city trafikkproblemer"? Lampman (talk) 23:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the keepers of the Elbow of Cross Ledge Light slept in life jackets for fear of the lighthouse being struck by passing ships? self-nom, new article Mangoe (talk) 23:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The article contains three references. Some of the information seems to be Wikipedian conclusions based on looking at a map. Lighthousedepot.com is a commercial website. I am unsure whether lighthousedepot.com and lighthousefriends.com qualify as Wikipedia reliable sources. Perhaps consider using sources from Books and News. GregManninLB (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • It seems impossible to me that one could use a map as a reference for a text article without some sort of interpretation. Lighthousefriends.com has been used as a reference for virtually every extant US light article, and I do not understand why it is being characterized as a commercial site. Lighthouse Depot is of course commercial, as is every publisher's website; however, the link is to a journal article. I did consult some books through Google books, but in general the information in them is more limited and has to be vetted against these other sites for accuracy anyway. Mangoe (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Vorwerk is the only breed of chicken to share its name with a brand of household appliance? Selfnom VanTucky 17:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length and date verified. Please add a quotation from the source to the end of Footnote 1 (Graham 2007, p. 178) that would allow DYK to verify the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • So do our local ferries here, according to this. Isn't that pretty standard these days? Art LaPella (talk) 23:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hook checks out with the ref, but it's true that it doesn't exactly knock your socks off. Lampman (talk) 00:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the fishing boat, the Dogger (example pictured), takes its name from the Dogger Bank? - new article, self nom Benea (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article says Dogger boat gave its name to Dogger Bank. How about "... that the 17th century form of fishing boat known as the Dogger (example pictured) received its name from one area in the North Sea and gave its name to another area in that same sea?" GregManninLB (talk) 16:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No that's not quite how it goes, but I see how you've become confused. Dogger is a Dutch word, meaning a fishing boat operating a trawl, rather than any specific design of boat. Dutch boats operating trawls operated in an area of the North Sea, so the area became known as the Dogger Bank. Later this specific design of boat becomes highly prevalent fishing the Dogger Bank, and so they became known as Doggers. There is only one area in discussion, but the time frames are different. Dogger (Dutch word for generic boat) leads to Dogger Bank leads to Dogger (boat) (but a specific and different sort of boat) Benea (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the world's premier sports library with 40,000 printed volumes is located on the grounds of LA's Britt House (pictured), a Colonial Revival mansion built in 1910? new article, self nom. by Cbl62 (talk) 05:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length verified. The LA84 Foundation reference does call the collection "premier", but the LA84 Foundation has a self interest in that the collection is housed in the headquarters of the LA84 Foundation. GregManninLB (talk) 01:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would an admin please take a look at the article? A editor, over-zealous in my opinion, has slapped a copyright violation tag on it and is preventing my efforts to improve it. Thanks. - House of Scandal (talk) 21:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Pteridomania copyright discussion thread is here. I think using Boyd's web summary of his own writings may raise Wikipedia reliable source issues. GregManninLB (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul is currently on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 23:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. We can wait till it gets buried in ITN. --gppande «talk» 13:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. Definitely should make its way onto DYK at some point. GregManninLB (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No. Definitely should NOT make its way back onto the main page after aappearing on ITN. No double-dipping! Let someone else take the precious space on the main page. --74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Articles created/expanded on July 6

or ... that Sourav Ganguly scored centuries in his first two test innings, and was only the third person to do so? self nom Abeer.ag (talk) 10:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How to relate the hook to the suggested pic? Where to put "(pictured)"?--74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Voltaire
  • I think the above list proves my point about the article being too listy: several similar lists have been deleted in the past. I reduced the list to include only a limited number of examples. With the current improvements I believe the article is ready for DYK. Lampman (talk) 00:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I've made clear, the article has to remain an encyclopaedic discussion of the topic, rather than descend into a crufty list. Lampman (talk) 02:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Please merge this with Lüshi Chunqiu, which is an older and longer article. --PFHLai (talk) 05:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah - sorry, didn't realise that the article already exists. I speedy deleted it. Nousernamesleft (talk) 19:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've turned the redlink into a redirect. Please be encouraged to update and expand the old article. --PFHLai (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pls be reminded that DYK articles need to be longer than 1500 characters. This one has less than 900. Pls type in a bit more. --PFHLai (talk) 01:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn't see that requirement. I didn't add that much text (mostly high scientific citations that throw off the character count), but frankly, I tried to pull everything I could on him. I hope it works now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Ricky81682, for expanding this wikipage to 1700+ characters for quickly. A regular DYK screener will look into other aspects of this nom. --PFHLai (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Wikipedia's black hole article and the New York Times article from Dec 29, 1971 indicate that Louise Webster, Paul Murdin, and Tom Bolton were the first astronomers to prove the existence of a black hole. Webster and Murdin's work was from August 1971 to October 1971.[2] If you have something that shows Bolton's black hole finished work predated August 1971, then the hook would be justified. -- GregManninLB (talk) 07:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The alt hook looks better and is supported by the references. However, we can't have red links on the Main Page, but you can turn them into stubs or not dynamically link them. GregManninLB (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Enlightened first minister of the Duchy of Parma, Guillaume du Tillot, introduced the first extensive potato cultivation in northern Italy in the 1760s?--Wetman (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length verified. The article says "he encouraged cultivation of the potato" and does not mention anything similar to "extensive" cultivation. Also, for DYK, there should be an inline citation to the potato portion of the article. GregManninLB (talk) 00:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the longest tenured manager of the Seattle Mariners, Lou Pinella led the team to a season with 116 wins, tying the record for wins in a season?-Created article.--LAAFan 20:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length verified. However, reference no. 2 didn't seem to mention the "longest tenured manager" portion of the hook and "116 wins" does not appear in the "List of Seattle Mariners managers" article. GregManninLB (talk) 00:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 5

I removed the passage on which the hook was based from the article.This position is by no means exceptional, nor milestones in the political career of Bilal. Bilal, as Minister of Information, is the official spokesperson of the Syrian government, and this statement is just in line with all other Syrian government statements on Golan since the 1967 war. It is not Bilal who 'threatens' anyone, it is the government position. Its a bit like saying that Ari Fleischer threatened to invade Iraq. --Soman (talk) 07:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Two things: first, the article says the deaths are usually attributed to malaria but lists one writer who believes it was the Black Death. Is the malaria view sufficiently dominant that we can give it as fact? If so maybe the article could make that a bit clearer. Secondly, the Philip Smith reference gives a 404. Nice article and hook though - was thinking of nominating it myself until I saw it was already here. Olaf Davis | Talk 21:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Without question the malaria "view" is correct, especially considering this is 100 years too early for the plague. You can take out the cause of death in the hook if it worries you. I don't understand your second comment. Savidan 23:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Black Death in 1287 would have been an interesting hook indeed! The malaria story checks out, according to Bagliani and Peterson, I believe it was quite common in Rome at the time (certainly more common than the Black Death...) The problem with your links was that they were dead. I've replaced them, but the Google Books links I found weren't readable. Anyway, the main issue here is length - without the table I get it to be 1,372 characters, and the 1,500 limit is a mandatory minimum. Lampman Talk to me! 06:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was referring to 404 error, but Lampman's corrected that now. As he says the length is the primary remaining issue - still some time to expand it a little more, though. Olaf Davis | Talk 13:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If the cause of death is a subject of debate, how about just "... that six of the sixteen cardinals died during the papal election, 1287-1288?" That's interesting enough to me...maybe even more as it would make me want to read the article and find out why. In any case, let's be sure to link "cardinals".- House of Scandal (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let me be absolutely clear that this is not under any circumstances a matter of debate! I was really just being flippant about this, but there was no Black Death in Europe in 1287/8! This was suggested by some historian writing in 1898, who obviously had no idea what he was talking about, and I assume it's included in the article simply as a curiosity. Modern historians are quite clear that it was in fact malaria. The issue of length remains though, and Savidan must show an effort to expand the article before it can be approved. Lampman (talk) 01:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Przemyśl, Old Synagogue
Przemyśl, Old Synagogue
  • ... that Ghulam Ahmed Chishti wrote, composed and recorded six to seven songs for the film Pheray in a single day? -- new article created by Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 23:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Miguelemejia (talk • contribs) --Miguelemejia (talk) 23:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Far too short at less than 500 characters. No inline citation. --Millbrooky (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Updated, still less than 1500, aprox 1050. Inline citations added. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 00:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • (alternate)... that Thomas Kimmwood Peters was the only newsreel photographer that filmed the San Francisco earthquake and fire of 1906? by --Doug talk 19:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Charles Mathias, Jr.
Charles Mathias, Jr.
Not a new article, nor significantly expanded. --Millbrooky (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added a new section to the article about landmarks with pictures. Why isn't that classed as "significant"? bsrboy (talk) 19:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
From the looks of it, you didn't expand the article fivefold. It looks like you did some cleaning up and added a few pics. That's not a fivefold expansion which is why it was declined. -- RyRy (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wandered this before, what is fivefold? bsrboy (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Expanding an article 5 times it's original length. Hope that helps. :D -- RyRy (talk) 23:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, okay. You might want to note that at the top of the article in case someone doesn't understand. bsrboy (talk) 23:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I admit, it took me a while to figure that out for myself. :-P --cremepuff222 (talk) 01:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gevingåsen Tunnel
Gevingåsen Tunnel
Length and reference verified. Didn't know we had {{infobox tunnel}} now ... that means I can create some articles I've had pics laying around for for a while. Daniel Case (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I actually found it catchy that the tunnel will reduce travel time by a mere five minutes, not a lot as you say and that's peculiar, isn't it? To build a 4.4 km tunnel to save five minutes? Manxruler (talk) 17:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's also an interesting fact the tunnel goes straight to Hell, but that would probably be better for 1 April. Lampman (talk) 01:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article has content issues. Please review carefully. - House of Scandal (talk) 22:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean "review" as in "correcting grammar issues"? --cremepuff222 (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC) In any case, I have revised it. --cremepuff222 (talk) 00:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The information from the article comes from themystica.com and other internet sites, which I was unable to determine whether met Wikipedia reliable source standard. GregManninLB (talk) 06:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am concerned that the article doesn't clearly distinguish folkloric witches from modern self-identified practicioners. It also implies that sea magic is real, a claim I would consider highly POV. -House of Scandal (talk) 15:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


- its a CV and/or POV and/or list - articles have at least 1500 chars of text Victuallers (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Can you put the relevant quote from the Cambridge Companion to Pushkin into the footnote? That's all it needs. Daniel Case (talk) 03:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, quote added. dvdrw 00:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. GregManninLB (talk) 02:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that American President Lines was the first shipping company to move containers by sea, rail and road with its Linertrain and Red Eagle services? -- Article expanded fivefold since the 1st, sources and images added - self-nom by Danny252 (talk) 03:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually the source doesn't say that, all it says that the "LinerTrain [was] the first dedicated train service operated by an ocean-shipping company" - which is not the same thing. Gatoclass (talk) 04:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


""Imbibed"? He drank the ideas? Where can I get some of that? Sounds like fun. Daniel Case (talk) 03:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I hope the ideas taste good. --74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 4

You're nominating Strasbourg as well, seeing as it's bolded and all? Manxruler (talk) 00:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I unbolded Strasbourg, as only new or mostly new articles can be nominated, and only the nominated article should be bolded. Art LaPella (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Edward Oldcorne and Nicholas Owen
Edward Oldcorne and Nicholas Owen
Sorry, no, i bolded it only because of the lack of capitals. RCS (talk) 16:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cited source is a blog. Daniel Case (talk) 15:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC) ... see ref 9 Victuallers (talk) 17:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reworded final phrase. Daniel Case (talk) 05:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rustic chapel at Buffalo Gap provides respite and solace to visitors.
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Reference verified at Texas Travel guide website here. Presently a 4.0x expansion. Needs 2,814 more characters for five-fold expansion. --Millbrooky (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length okay, but I can't verify the reference. Verified a few other facts in the article. Anybody else want to approve? --Millbrooky (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I tried verifying the info elsewhere, but couldn't find it. Please add quotation from the source to the end of the inline citation to allow DYK to verify the hook. GregManninLB (talk) 23:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've raised this query before and was advised that references to books were acceptable for DYK hooks, even where unsupported by other references. However, I have now added the full quote from the Betts book, the relevant part of which reads. "Davison is believed to be the smallest goalkeeper to represent his country, standing just 5' 7" tall." This is supported by the reference to www.fa.com (ref 3 in the article) which says "At only 5 feet 7, Davison was probably the shortest goalkeeper ever to play for England." I realise that both references leave room for doubt, but that will never be resolved as the records in the early days of international football were poor and it's not always possible to get dates of birth, let alone height. Perhaps the hook can be changed to reflect the lack of absolute certainty. Sorry to ramble on. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. References to books are acceptable for DYK hooks, but when the book isn't freely accessible via the Internet, DYK allows a quote from the book to serve as DYK verification. I'm fine with the hook, but leave it up to the posting admin as to whether they want to tweek it a bit to account for the lack of complete certanity.. GregManninLB (talk) 01:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on July 3

  • ... that Aberdeen's Northern Co-operative Society declared a loss of £7 million in 1992, and, unable to recover, went into receivership in 1993, bringing to an end a 132 year old business? --new article self-nom by Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Columbus Monument
Columbus Monument
  • ... that the Columbus Monument (pictured) in Barcelona, Spain, was built entirely using Catalan labor and materials? (self-nom) -- I know the sourcing doesn't exactly match what we'd call a "reliable source", but I have links to stuff in Catalan and Spanish, neither of which I can read (apart from educated guesses), both of which seem to support the reference I used. Howcheng (talk · contribs) 00:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Length verified - 2,494 DYK characters. The reference indicates that it was proposed that the erection of a Columbus memorial was to be entirely the work of Catalonian artists. You might be able to find a reference in Google books. Also, there are some old New York Times articles on the monument. -- GregManninLB (talk) 05:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't know why I didn't think of checking Google Books, but I changed the source for that to be a book. In fact, it's the same book that the web page I was citing is also using. howcheng {chat} 16:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Dr. Nelson Wilson House is unusual for having Eastlake stickwork done in brick instead of wood?(self-nom)--Bedford Pray 08:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Length OK - the article has 1,738 DYK characters. However, DYK needs inline citations for each article sentence mentioned in the hook to verify the hook. -- GregManninLB (talk) 22:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is it so hard to look at end of paragraph? Anyways, I moved a sentence so the hook is next to reference.--Bedford Pray 23:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Bedford, I want to acknowledge that I do notice you are very deliberately not including properly formatted footnotes on articles about NRHP sites, perhaps defiantly(!?) because i commented on the bare URLs in some of your submissions. And, further, perhaps as some kind of further retaliation or something, you are now also not including the NRHP infobox which you always used to include, and which I think many would agree adds to the article. This is the 2nd of 3 done this way since I commented. The first of these three was Pryor Brock Farmstead, which i didn't comment about in the DYK nomination process, but which, once posted as a DYK, immediately attracted a cleanup tag,
attached by another editor. I think it is a valid concern, that decently formatted references should be included in DYK articles that are profiled on the wikipedia frontpage. At least from very experienced DYK editors, I don't think that is setting a good example. doncram (talk) 05:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
These are too new for the infobox generator, so they wouldn't have infoboxes anyways. You might also noite I did not list them on the new articles for NRHP, nor tagged them for WP:NRHP; seemed detrimental to them.--Bedford Pray 05:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thank you for clarifying that you mean to be insulting to me and/or to the NRHP wikiproject. For brand new NRHPs, by the way, I create an infobox by editing a previous one, filling out the fields that are possible from given information. For this one, you could fairly easily do that, given that the reference is a copy of the NRHP reference form. doncram (talk) 09:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please calm down, doncram. No one else is taking that abusive tone here. --Wetman (talk) 21:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Um, well, i dont believe i have been abusive in any respect. I am just publicly acknowledging Bedford's own public acknowledgment of his intention to insult, and to shortshrift his own DYK articles. doncram (talk) 23:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since they are over 1500, and have references, they are not "shortshrift" at all. *rolls eyes* --Bedford Pray 23:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is noted in the guidelines for this page, that DYKs should "cite their sources (these sources should be properly labelled; that is," etc. with the obvious direction that they should follow some citation standard other than bare URLs. Your wp:POINTY behaviour is deliberately obnoxious, that is well received. If one looks at the available references, it is obvious to an NRHP editor that following the NRHP standard for references of NRHP documents would enrich the article. For one it would avoid the arguable appearance of plagiarism (when defined as giving inadequate credit to authors of material, here the problem being that the authors of the NRHP texts are not named, hence arguably not being given adequate credit) and the failure to call appropriate attention to included photographs, which is a standard part of NRHP documents, per draft WP:NRHPMOS. It is in those senses that i recognize, as you have acknowledged, your giving shortshrift to these articles. Also, you do not give any explanation for your change in practices, such as dropping the useful NRHP infobox, to indicate anything other than your change is some kind of punishment to me for having commented on your footnoting style. doncram (talk) 01:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Stop biting each other, guys. --74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that construction of the courthouse (pictured) of the Rochester Downtown Historic District may have spurred nearby buildings to have faux stones cemented upon them? (self-nom)--Bedford Pray 07:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Length OK - the article has 1,839 DYK characters. However, DYK needs inline citations for each article sentence mentioned in the hook to verify the hook. -- GregManninLB (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Look at the second paragraph of Section 7, Page 3. The hook is referenced there. I made the last sentence part of the previous, so the hook's reference is at the end of the sentence.--Bedford Pray 23:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues This is the 3rd of three with poorly formatted references, as commented about above at Dr. Nelson Wilson House DYK submission. doncram (talk) 05:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
More like 3rd of 8, actually.--Bedford Pray 05:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I interpret you as meaning to verify that you do deliberately do a poor job with referencing, in articles that you are creating of NRHP sites. I did notice another article of yours, a DYK today on another topic, that was more correctly footnoted. So you are deliberately slighting the NRHPs that you do, then, as some kind of retaliation for my commenting on your referencing. doncram (talk) 09:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hugh McCulloch
Hugh McCulloch
FYI It's footnote #3 in the paragraph about McCulloch. --PFHLai (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • No offense, but it's a little anal about fussing over 201 being more than 200, but this hook seems better anyhow.--Bedford Pray 22:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I like your hook better than mine, Bedford, but can we not have the word "fund" in there 3 times? :-) --PFHLai (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... (alt hook) that the Indiana state government's share of the proceeds after the Bank of Indiana closed went to fund the first state supported school system in the United States?
I altered two funds, although all three were different versions of the word.--Bedford Pray 05:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Article doesn't say that, but source does. Daniel Case (talk) 04:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC) withdrawn Victuallers (talk) 07:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


List, including hook fact, is completely unreferenced. Daniel Case (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, a source is listed at the bottom - that was enough for de.wiki to promote it to Featured List in April. OK, so yes, we have other standards, and I will try to look for a page number or something to satisfy the DYK demands, but still. Biruitorul Talk 17:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All right, I've made some changes. May I ask the hook be verified again? (And by the way, the list is all on Wigger p.326 - I hope the note makes it clear enough.) Biruitorul Talk 02:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length verified. The translator didn't pick up on the words "diplomatic confusion". Please add a quote from the source to the end of footnote 4 that will verify the DYK hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(I suppose it's implied.) How about this, momentarily - or is it not interesting enough? I'll press the de.wiki author further for verification on that last part, but in the interim, will this do? Biruitorul Talk 22:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Too short and no inline citations. Daniel Case (talk) 20:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 2

This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The article is unclear that Olvir Hnufa is Egil Skallagrimsson's great-uncle. Also, footnote#1 appears to have a typo ("knows" vs. "nose"). --Rosiestep 23:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

These issues have been addressed. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this unusual? People with a variety of past positions in their résumés get jobs all the time. Was he poorly educated himself? Was he at odds with the council's goals as a justice? Or do we need to write another hook? Daniel Case (talk) 04:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not unusual, but I didn't think that was a requirement (the criteria above suggest "interesting" as a qualification). Anyway, here's an alternate hook if the one above is deemed unsuitable. Note though that the hook itself doesn't have an inline citation in the article, but the following points do:
  • the Rae Report included a recommendation to create an independent and objective Council on Higher Education
  • the government of Ontario enacted the "Reaching Higher" plan as a result of that recommendation
  • the government passed legislation establishing the Higher Education Quality Council of Ontario as part of the "Reaching Higher" plan
ALT: ... that the Higher Education Quality Council of Ontario was established by the Government of Ontario in response to a recommendation in the Rae Report, a review of tertiary education in the Canadian province? Mindmatrix 14:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues As with others, I'd like to see a quote from the source. Daniel Case (talk) 04:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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