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It doesn't seem to have any references for the new content. --They've also signed their comment 12:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and added some citations. It should be ready now. --User's Name 12:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Looks good. Posted. --Responding administrator 12:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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October 13

October 13, 2008 (2008-10-13) (Monday)

ITN candidates for October 13

October 12

October 12, 2008 (2008-10-12) (Sunday)
Business and economy

Religion

ITN candidates for October 12

File:Saint Alphonsama icon.jpg
We don't have an article regarding the other three saints, do we? Otherwise, I think this is a good candidate for ITN. --Tone 19:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article could use some updates, though. SpencerT♦C 20:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pls post headline and external newslinks at Portal:Current events. --PFHLai (talk) 00:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC) Just took care of this requirement. --PFHLai (talk) 00:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 11

October 11, 2008 (2008-10-11) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for October 11

Jörg Haider
Jörg Haider

Nom: Austrian far-right politician Jörg Haider (pictured) is killed in a road accident near Klagenfurt in Carinthia, his political stronghold. --Hapsala (talk) 04:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Thue | talk 08:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Removing. Posting deaths of people should have a consensus first. See WP:LILP.--Tone 08:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The whole ITN death debate was only for "expected" deaths of people. This is an unexpected death of a very notable person who has just been reelected, so I don't see how posting it can be controversial. His unexpected death will have real consequences which would not otherwise have occured, and is therefore undeniably news. Thue | talk 09:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I highly object this nomination, and the matter it was reposted. I fail to see how this item merits mentioning when this has been discussed at WP:LILP and in this page when various other deaths were nominated.
All the other people who have been discussed have been old irrelevant people dying, with no real effect on current events. This was a infamous party leader dying while he was relevant for the current government formation in Austra. Don't you see the difference? I also stand by my reposting - no specific arguments against its posting had been made, and I did not believe that Tone's removal was fully though through - it was formulated like a form letter with no specific object to Haiders importance or the consequences of his death. A final point: consider another event (not a death), with similar consequences for the Austrian right wing; that would probably be notable; as far as I can tell it is only because this happens to be a death and there have been some doubtful deaths on ITN in the past that people object here.
In the past the rule for deaths on ITN was "no deaths - except for unexpected deaths of people office or where the death had significant consequences for current events" - has that been revoked? Thue | talk 13:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I must also point out that you shouldn't have reverted the edit you previously posted without seeking proper consensus. Waiting for 1 hour here is insufficient in my opinion given the normal traffic in this page. - Mtmelendez (Talk) 12:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed it, as it seems to be controversial, and now disputed. I encourage further discussion as to whether it should be included in the news. Cenarium Talk 13:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let's move on from the procedural questions. He's not on WP:LILP, a page I've only just seen, which IMO is a risible attempt to implement a hopeless idea. Austria is negotiating to form a new government and the leader of the fourth-largest party has just died; I think that's enough extra beyond just a death. How much context should be provided in the ITN hook is another matter. jnestorius(talk) 13:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as of now. Jörg Haider#Death is too short right now. That section needs expansion. Sufficient expansion. SpencerT♦C 14:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Posted again, by User:Delirium. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, why is this posted without consensus? 18.96.7.148 (talk) 04:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delirium's edit summary included WP:UCS ([1]), although I am not sure what he is trying to say by including this link. "Use common sense" does not mean "ignore consensus", does it? The page specifically states that "you will need to persuade the rest of the community that your actions improved the encyclopedia". --BorgQueen (talk) 04:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Removed again, one has to seek consensus to post an item to ITN, not to remove it. --Tone 08:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here's my 2 cents. I agree that anyone who brings up Pavarotti, Hillary and whoever else is missing the point. Also LILP doesn't really apply since the idea was those people warrant inclusion even if they die in their old age when everyone was expecting it (although I'd personally dispute some of the names on the list, e.g. Gordon Brown, Lee Myung-bak; they may be significant now, they have not yet demonstrated lasting significance though IMHO). It's missing a lot of current world leaders for example and most of these should go up if they die tomorrow. So anyway, under the old death criterion (which as far as I'm concerned is still valid), unexpected deaths of world leaders and other people of great current significance should go up. Haider IMHO clearly doesn't fit into this category. However if it's true that his death could have a great effect on the formation of the new Austrian government then this may be enough. But the article definitely needs to establish his death is going to have a significant effect and we do need consensus here Nil Einne (talk) 08:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(unindent) I am in favour of the inclusion of this article. He was a politician in office and very much in the spotlight when he died. The update to the article in question (2 short paragraphs on his death, not to mention general expansion the publicity has drawn) is in line for the normal inclusion of a news event. Important people such as the president of Austria have specifically addressed the news. While this should have gained consensus before being posted, it is a worthy candidate. :Random89 16:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ALSO: It's about time we added a new item and this seems to be the best candidate. Random89 16:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just a comment: WP:LILP applies to those that didn't have unexpected deaths, such as someone like Edmund Hillary. SpencerT♦C 17:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Nom: Singapore Police Commissioner Khoo Boon Hui is elected the new president of Interpol. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Needs more refs and a longer update. SpencerT♦C 13:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This hasn't been in the news enough to begin with.--chaser - t 15:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nom: 2008 Chechnya earthquake maybe? --Tone 15:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too short. I'll try to expand this. SpencerT♦C 17:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Meets minimum expansion requirements. Could use some section headers, but I'm posting. SpencerT♦C 18:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 10

October 10, 2008 (2008-10-10) (Friday)

ITN candidates for October 10

Procedural note: Martti Ahtisaari item was posted. SpencerT♦C 02:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 9

October 9, 2008 (2008-10-09) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for October 9

Nobel Prize medal
Nobel Prize medal

Nom: French writer Jean-Marie Gustave Le Clézio is announced the winner of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Literature (medal pictured). --Hapsala (talk) 11:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posted, without medal (if you find a photo of author, it would be great). --Tone 11:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nom: Emma Watson is coming to the United States.

Um...good for her? -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 18:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion made by anon [2] for those wondering. Nil Einne (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - General Motors lost a third of its value today, and S&P is expected to cut its bond rating even further, which will seriously jeopardize its ability to remain liquid. It may also create additional turmoil in United States financial markets, up to and including the collapse of the company. The article should be updated accordingly as this item might end up in the news sooner rather than later. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Er this isn't really the place to suggest people update an article. And items only end up on ITN when their articles have been updated, not before Nil Einne (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nom: The 2008 Icelandic financial crisis. Several major banks have gone under and the country is on the verge of unprecedented financial collapse, if its not there already. Scanlan (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any wording suggestions? SpencerT♦C 23:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since I have been trying to have an item on this added for the last two days, I definitely support this nom. Look to Oct 7 noms for possible ideas to rewording. __meco (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Should update to have something like Global financial crisis deepens as markets around the world drop 7-8%
Strong Support - This really should have been on a couple of days ago because a country on the verge of bankruptcy trumps any bank collapse or bailout package. A slightly modified version of User meco's suggested headline should be good:
Iceland's Prime Minister Geir Haarde warns Icelanders the nation may go bankrupt as the country's banking industry starts to collapse under the weight of the global financial crisis --Daviessimo (talk) 18:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Er while we definitely need a story on this and we now have a decent article (even if perhaps a bit too focused on the UK) our article doesn't say anything about him warning Icelanders the nation may go bankrupt. Instead it says he stated "that the actions taken by the government have ensured that the Icelandic state will not go bankrupt". As with all things on the main page, we defer to the article for ITN headlines. Nil Einne (talk) 21:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. You are welcome to rephrase as you see fit. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the initial wording of the blurb is inadequate. Haarde's warning that the country may go bankrupt is well documented in Financial crisis of 2007-2008#Week of October 5, 2008 (and the Iceland article even) and should be copied over to the 2008 Icelandic financial crisis article. My PC mouse isn't working currently, so I won't do it, but others should and the ITN blurb should be updated subsequently. __meco (talk) 09:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 8

October 8, 2008 (2008-10-08) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for October 8

Viktor Yushchenko
Viktor Yushchenko
Article needs updates, and also Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2008 could use expansion. SpencerT♦C 22:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some more updates and this can go on. --Tone 11:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs updates, I'll see if I can help here. SpencerT♦C 22:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Updating done. Do we want to wait for results or focus that these are the Maldives' first democratic elections and post now? SpencerT♦C 01:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we could already include who will go in the run-off since this will be known soon? Support inclusion. --Tone 11:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Official announcement at 1830 UTC...in about 5 hrs. Can we wait? SpencerT♦C 13:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, post it then. And if you have noticed, we have the picture issue again in the template, the image refers to the last item. --Tone 13:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We can use a picture of Gayoom...there's one on commons. I'll upload it here. SpencerT♦C 13:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image is at Image:Maumoon Gayoom.jpg. SpencerT♦C 14:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to put this up now, because I want to put up the Iceland item, and we need an image. Posting... SpencerT♦C 16:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image was a copyvio, so we still need another... SpencerT♦C 18:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent) We have Image:Gayoom1.jpg now, but its tiny and turned to the side. SpencerT♦C 20:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posting this update. SpencerT♦C 23:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nobel Prize medal
Nobel Prize medal
Posted. Note the change of the wording, noone is awarded the prize until December. --Tone 10:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if this is the right place, but I think having three of the four ITN entries as Nobel prizes is not very balanced. Could they not be merged into one entry? SteveRwanda (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I second that. __meco (talk) 12:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer more various items as well, there are many things going on. At pace one Nobel per day and one other event per day we can keep the balance. --Tone 13:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, all Nobel Prize announcements have been featured on ITN since the birth of Wikipedia. --Hapsala (talk) 21:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominate British banking rescue package. The actual value of the deal is £500bn (approx $800-900bn), which is larger than the US deal. Also by making a £50bn investment and not just loaning the money the British Government are in effect partly nationalising the whole banking sector --Daviessimo (talk) 12:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I support this. Stands out as the biggest event of the day so far with respect to the finances crisis. __meco (talk) 12:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to have a little more content in the article but otherwise I support it. What would the blurb be? --Tone 13:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When I get home in a couple of hours i'll expand it (unless someone gets there first). The blurb should be something Like: The Bank Of England announces details of a financial rescue package aimed at restoring confindence in the Banking sector. Depending on the size issue the clarifying sentence As part of the deal the British Government will provide £50bn of investment, provides a further £200bn in short term loans and guarentees upto £250bn of intra-bank loans could be added although its not neccesary. --Daviessimo (talk) 14:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a go at adding new information to the article so its a bit more expansive now. As for the blurb having read other sources I think it should be:
'The British Government announces details of a financial rescue package aimed at restoring confindence and creating stability in the banking sector' --Daviessimo (talk) 17:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great, adding. --Tone 19:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 7

October 7, 2008 (2008-10-07) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for October 7

Nobel Prize medal
Nobel Prize medal

Nom: The 2008 Nobel Prize in Physics (medal pictured) is awarded Yoichiro Nambu for the discovery of the mechanism of spontaneous broken symmetry in subatomic physics, and Makoto Kobayashi and Toshihide Maskawa for the discovery of the origin of the broken symmetry which predicts the existence of at least three families of quarks in nature. --Hapsala (talk) 10:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, a long one! Could not be shortened, like Nambu, Maskawa and Kobayashi are awarded the Nobel Prize for their discoveries in particle physics. No need to go into such details on ITN, I suppose less people know what broken symmetry is that some specific sport championship. I support the inclusion by all means, otherwise. --Tone 13:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if they don't understand, they should click on the link and learn something new... ;) --Hapsala (talk) 14:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominate TC3 meteor impact. Very encyclopaedic news item and something a little less doom and gloom --Daviessimo (talk) 20:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this nom for the good reason given by nominator. __meco (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Nice item. I wanted to link to Impact event but didn't since this was just a bigger rock and we don't want to cause panick. The blurb could be improved, though. --Tone 21:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nominate Iceland's Prime Minister Geir Haarde warns Icelanders the nation may go bankrupt as the country's banking industry starts to collapse under the weight of the global financial crisis. The króna drops 30% in one day. __meco (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a boldened article you had in mind? SpencerT♦C 03:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Iceland should be boldened. The article currently has a short section on the crisis. __meco (talk) 07:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is very important and if the article can be updated if should definately go up. I read today that the country is in debt to the tune of 4 times the value of all the national assets. --Daviessimo (talk) 18:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article Economy of Iceland is the one that seems to have the most comprehensive update on the situation. Now that the UK's Gordon Brown has threatened to sure Iceland over the conduct of the Icelandic banks' UK branches, Iceland only gets more important as far as ITN is concerned. I have an updated suggestion for a blurb:
Iceland's Prime Minister Geir Haarde warns Icelanders the nation may go bankrupt as the country's banking industry starts to collapse under the weight of the global financial crisis. The króna drops 30% in one day and British PM Gordon Brown threatens to sue Iceland over defaulting Icelandic bank branches in the United Kingdom.
__meco (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 6

October 6, 2008 (2008-10-06) (Monday)

ITN candidates for October 6

Nobel Prize medal
Nobel Prize medal
Oppose: As you said, nothing new is enough to justify vote. Instead earthquakes might be taken up to bring back balance. --gppande «talk» 19:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well for both the FTSE100 and CAC40 to have record one day falls is pretty big. In the case of the FTSE it was larger than during the 87 collapse and Sept11th. In France almost 1/10th of the value of the top companies was wiped out. Anyway there is no reason why both cannot go up. --Daviessimo (talk) 21:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support These drops are record breaking. The Norwegian OBX Index dropped 9.71%, its third biggest fall ever. __meco (talk) 22:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Er I think were getting ahead of ourselves here. Where's the updated article/s? What's the proposed wording? N.B. At the current time Subprime mortgage crisis doesn't mention any drop after 6th October Nil Einne (talk) 10:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - --gppande «talk» 06:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is big. Could someone please expand the articles so we can put them up? --Tone 21:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just expanded the Nura earthquake one, but is it too late to go up? SpencerT♦C 22:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support. This is very important, but the blurb could be a bit better, and the Kyrgyzstan quake is now responsible for 75 deaths. There's still time, I added an image, but please hurry because I am still upset that we missed the 2008 Panzhihua earthquake a while back. ~AH1(TCU) 20:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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