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Li Zhaoxing

... that Li Zhaoxing (pictured), a former Chinese minister of foreign affairs, has published more than 200 poems and was known as a "poet minister"?
... that at least one person on every NFL All-Decade Team has played for the Green Bay Packers, although one of those players was only with the Packers for one season?
... that the 2024 opening of regular sessions of the National Congress of Argentina took place at 21:00 instead of 12:00?
... that Ground Round attempted to diversify its meat-heavy menu with such dishes as swordfish and Mexican pizza?
... that Final Fantasy's "first great villain" has been compared to characters like the Green Goblin and the Joker?
... that singer Frank Croxton performed a duet with his father for the unveiling of a monument to a Confederate States Army general?
... that Thomas Figures prosecuted two members of the Ku Klux Klan for murder, and Michael Figures bankrupted their organization in a civil lawsuit?
... that ancient humans cared for a 14,000-year-old puppy?

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on July 30

... that Swazi police told Gabriel Mkhumane's mother that he would come home "wrapped in a black bag" hours before his death was reported? New article by --I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 02:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is only 1441 characters, excluding references. Please expand it to at least 1500 characters. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 07:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that 51 ships of the German High Seas Fleet were successfully scuttled in Scapa Flow (pictured) in 1919, but many were later salvaged? - self nom, new article, Benea (talk) 01:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While the 51 fact is supported with an inline citation, there's no citation on the claim that the ships were later salvaged. Length and date do check out, though, and the picture is also free use and okay for the front page. While I'm commenting, great job on the article! It's thorough, well illustrated, and absolutely beautiful. Vickser (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in the Battle of Píleo in 1819, the city of Los Angeles was burned to the ground? (created by user:Melromero, nominated by DS (talk) 02:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]

While length and date check out, the article needs inline citations to be eligible for DYK. Here's to hoping this can get fixed up, as it looks like a pretty great article. Vickser (talk) 08:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Haruji Matsue was the first person to manufacture the sugar cube in Japan? -- new article self-nom by Brian Adler (talk) 07:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, and inline citation are all there. Offline source accepted on good faith. Vickser (talk) 08:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that U.S. diplomat Pamela E. Bridgewater (pictured) was the first woman appointed Consul General in Durban, South Africa? - self-nom, new article, XLerate (talk) 07:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date check out, and the picture's freely licensed, but you need an inline citation for the hook immediately following the sentence, not just at the end of the paragraph. Fix that and you should be good to go. Vickser (talk) 08:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 29

... that the Battle of Saint Anne's Mountain was the biggest battle of the Silesian Uprisings? self-nom by Tymek (talk) 20:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that James Ludington (pictured) never lived in Ludington, Michigan – the city that bears his name? new article, self nom by --Doug ^talk 19:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that a group of Irish publishers tried to print pirated copies of Samuel Richardson's final novel, The History of Sir Charles Grandison, before the actual first edition was released? self-nom, 5x expansion. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Union Monument in Perryville is one of only seven monuments in Kentucky dedicated to Union soldiers, and it took an act of Congress to build it? (self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 17:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Historically, I've spaced out my monument articles, but after someone put nine separate hooks for Oregon's regions at one time, I no longer see the need to space them out. I can see someone suggesting a triple hook for all three today; I won't oppose it.--Bedford ^Pray 17:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Confederate Monument in Perryville was built by the government of Kentucky to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Battle of Perryville, and 5,000–10,000 people attended its dedication?(self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 17:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that future admirals Samuel Barrington, George Darby, Hugh Palliser, Thomas Pasley, Thomas Troubridge and Horatio Nelson (pictured) all served aboard HMS Seahorse? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Mount Saint Mary's Convent and Academy was established in 1866 by nuns from Kinsale, Ireland as an orphanage for children of California Gold Rush miners? (new; self nom) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that although on private property, the Unknown Confederate Dead Monument (pictured) outside Perryville, Kentucky was built by the federal government sixty-six years after the battle? (self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 15:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the town of Kendenup in Western Australia featured in a classified advertisement in the New York Times in 1922? [selfnom] Moondyne 14:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Goldthwaite, a small city in the Texas Hill Country, is known for the production of mohair-producing goats in the area?--self-nom, Revised and expanded with photo gallery Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OR:

... that Goldthwaite, a small city in the Texas Hill Country, is one of numerous communities in Texas named for railroad men instrumental in their founding?Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Wilfrid Noyce forced a route up to the South Col on the first ascent of Mount Everest (pictured) by the 1953 British Expedition? New article, self-nom. Ericoides (talk) 08:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that through Khitan, the Islamic rite of male circumcision, Muslims are the largest single religious group to circumcise males? -- new article by Ezra haSofer (talk | contribs); Nom by CB (ö) 05:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC) (yes, this hook is a little awkward and could use a rewording; I thought it best not to add a pic for this due to possible vandalism later)[reply]

... that the 1946 Mexican film Boom in the Moon starring Buster Keaton was not commercially released in the United States until 1983? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference verified. Length is just a smidge short of 5x expansion being around 735 bytes in Aug, 2007 and around 3430 bytes today. A 5x expansion would be closer to 3675 bytes. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 12:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Updated, as per request Please re-review. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 14:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that southwestern United States was at one time connected to East Antarctica according to the SWEAT model? (self-nom) Λua∫Wi se ^{(Operibus anteire)} 11:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Argentine adventurer Emilio Scotto left Buenos Aires in 1985 on his record-breaking 10-year motorcycle journey with only $300? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 20:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

File:Muleshoe shoe IMG 0395.JPG

A 22-foot muleshoe greets visitors to Muleshoe Heritage Center

... that the Muleshoe Heritage Center in Muleshoe, Texas, greets visitors with a 22-foot high muleshoe which weighs some 15,000 pounds and was originally an Eagle Scout project?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Diverse Harmony is the first gay-straight alliance chorus in the world? -- expanded, --self-nom. Banjeboi 02:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note. This article is currently in AfD which I expect it will survive. Banjeboi 02:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 28

... that the British Columbia wilderness search and rescue organization North Shore Rescue (pictured) was originally formed for responding to an urban nuclear attack? (new article self-nom) Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 06:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Lloyd Seay, described by NASCAR founder Bill France, Sr. as the "best pure race driver I ever saw", was killed by his cousin during a dispute in the family's moonshine business? (self nom after > 5x expansion) Royalbroil 01:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Neutra Office Building was designed by Modernist architect Richard Neutra and served as his studio from 1950 to 1970? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 20:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- alt:... that the Neutra Office Building, recently listed for $3.5 million, is the only surviving commercial structure with Richard Neutra's original design intact? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 20:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the new Okinawa Prefectural Museum opened in Omoromachi, Naha, in November 2007? (or)
- ... that the Okinawa Prefectural Museum was originally established under the US Occupation government in 1946? (or)
- ... that the Okinawa Prefectural Museum, opened in November 2007, includes the first prefectural art museum in Okinawa? (self-nom; sorry for the multiple suggested hooks) LordAmeth (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that one of the chief motivations for anarcho-capitalist revolution is the impossibility of implementing anarchy through peaceful means? Article contributed by Aldrich Hanssen (talk · contribs). Nomination by Skomorokh 01:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that organisations such as Unilever plc, Tate Gallery, Penguin Books, and Prudential all have collections of Laura Ford's sculptures? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 00:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 01:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ananda Everingham

... that Sabaidee Luang Prabang, starring Ananda Everingham (pictured), was the first commercial film shot in Laos since it adopted communism in 1975? New article by --I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 22:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article is a smidge short at around 1353 bytes of pure article text (excluding infobox and lists). I would also recommend adding an inline cite to the lead for the hook. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 12:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have expanded it and added the cite. --I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 02:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Rockies Express Pipeline, currently under construction, will be the largest natural gas pipeline built in the United States in more than 20 years, and one of the largest natural gas pipelines ever built in North America? --self nom.Beagel (talk) 20:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hook is 229 characters. Mastrchf (^t/_c) 00:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Orphan Girl at the Cemetery (pictured), a painting by Eugène Delacroix, is believed to be a preparatory work for his portrayal of the 1822 Chios Massacre? - (new article/self-nom) - DaughterofSun (talk) 20:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that after Achille-Louis Foville was made a professor at Charenton in 1840, Thomas Hodgkin abandoned his plans to create a facility to treat mental illness, feeling no other doctor was suitable to run the facility? (self) WilyD 17:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hook is 213 characters. Mastrchf (^t/_c) 00:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Achille-Louis Foville was made a professor at Charenton in 1840, filling the vacancy created by the death of his old teacher Jean-Étienne Dominique Esquirol? (alt) WilyD 00:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that archedictyon is a hypothetical scheme of wing venation proposed for the common ancestor of all winged insects? - Self nom House of Scandal (talk) 16:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Mount Bate, on Vancouver Island, British Columbia, is probably named after William Thornton Bate, a Royal Navy officer killed during the Second Opium War? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 14:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that T-shirts which featured Jane Krakowski as Jenna Maroney, which were seen in a 30 Rock episode entitled "Jack Gets in the Game", were actually made commercially available by NBC? -- Jamie jca (talk) 14:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are these T-shirts still being sold by NBC? I hope we aren't providing ad space on Wikipedia's frontpage to promote these T-shirts. --74.13.127.194 (talk) 18:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Burr Caswell (pictured) built his farmhouse in 1849 out of old driftwood and it is now a museum centerpiece? new article, self nom by --Doug ^talk 11:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that after being mentioned on the Rush Limbaugh Show, internet traffic to the Wicks n' More website increased tenfold? (self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 01:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone put this on AfD, despite obvious notability. Hopefully it will be closed soon.--Bedford ^Pray 01:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was kept.--Bedford ^Pray 22:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I may, I'd like to request that this hook be used on the front page between noon and 3pm, New York City time, on Friday, August 1st.--Bedford ^Pray 17:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the defection of Hussein Kamel and Saddam Kamel helped prompt the 1995 Iraqi presidential election? -- self-nom by Biruitorul ^Talk 02:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALT:... that the defection of Saddam & Hussein Kamel helped prompt the 1995 Iraqi presidential election? --74.13.127.194 (talk) 00:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Henry Conway, nicknamed “Queen Sloane,” once showed up to London nightclub Mahiki in a horse drawn carriage? Self nom. The page used to be a redirect, so I'm not sure if it counts as a 5x expansion or new article, but it should be one of the two. Vickser (talk) 06:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, and hook verified. Malinaccier (talk) 23:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Vietnam Veterans Memorial State Park, which opened in 1971 in Angel Fire, New Mexico, served as an inspiration for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, completed in Washington, D.C., in 1982?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Turned photo caption into rollover text for space reasons. Daniel Case (talk) 18:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Salem Hospital has the busiest emergency room in the state of Oregon? (expansion, self) Aboutmovies (talk) 09:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

all verified, good to go. Sceptre ^(talk) 18:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the golf course (pictured) around the buildings of the Garrison Grist Mill Historic District helps preserve their historic character? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 18:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 27

... that the forthcoming Canadian film Smash Cut will feature a cameo appearance by filmmaker Herschell Gordon Lewis who invented the splatter film genre? -- new s/n Dl2000 (talk) 00:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, reference and date of creation verified. Daniel Case (talk) 04:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the old Lodge Room at the Highland Park Masonic Temple (pictured) has been preserved with original anaglyphs and cherry wood paneling? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 20:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I unlinked anaglyph because I didn't find an explanation of the wallpaper sense of that word on Wikipedia or Wiktionary. Art LaPella (talk) 22:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me.--Bedford ^Pray 04:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trader Joe's Coastal Cabernet Sauvignon

... that Robert Berning first introduced Trader Joe's private wine label (example pictured) as a way to get around California's fair trade laws that made it illegal to sell wines at a cheaper price than branded competitors? LA Times ref. New article by User:Scanlan. Nom by Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 13:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, reference and date of creation verified. Daniel Case (talk) 04:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Loire Valley estate Chateau de Goulaine is believed to be the oldest winery in existence and the third oldest commercial enterprise in the world? (new article self nom) Primary ref is Offline but I also added an extra online reference for additional verification (though the online ref add a general disclaimer the book is very reliable on its own). Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 03:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified; primary ref accepted as secondary ref checks out fine. Daniel Case (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Christopher Smart's two oratorios, Hannah and Abimelech, are based on biblical females who became fertile because of their devotion to God? self-nom. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified; offline reference accepted on good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 04:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Donald Colman invented the football dugout in the 1930s while working as coach for Aberdeen F.C.? (self-nom) Watty1962 (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dugout (football) redirects to Technical area. Which is the proper English football term? What was used by Colman? --74.13.127.194 (talk) 18:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from that, length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 04:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Virginia Capital Trail is a new 54-mile (87 km) long 8-to-10-foot (2.4 to 3.0 m) wide paved bicycle and pedestrian trail between three historic capitals of Virginia: Williamsburg, Jamestown and Richmond? (self-nom) Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia (talk) 22:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified; metric values added. Daniel Case (talk) 04:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that while setting a Guinness World Record for distance traveled by a solar vehicle, the University of Waterloo's Midnight Sun VII was twice mistaken for a UFO?-Wafulz (talk) 20:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 04:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Jane Meutas (pictured) was drawn by Holbein and engraved by Bartolozzi? - self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 19:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 01:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aliwan Fiesta

... that Aliwan Fiesta (pictured) gathers different cultural festivals of the Philippines in a dance parade competition?

ALT ... that Sinulog Festival of Cebu City in the Philippines has won the most number of championships in Aliwan Fiesta's (pictured) cultural street dance competition?

ALT ... that the highlight of Aliwan Fiesta (pictured) is a four-kilometer dance parade of different cultural festivals of the Philippines? new article, self-nom by Starczamora (talk) 18:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean ... dance parade representing different cultural festivals ... ? Art LaPella (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops, sorry. I have corrected it. Thank you. Starczamora (talk) 06:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the 335th and 336th squadrons are the oldest in the Hellenic Air Force, having been formed as RAF units in the Second World War? - new articles, self-nom by Constantine ✍ 16:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

link fixed for ya. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 01:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the type of degree offered by a veterinary school (pictured) can vary widely, ranging from the Bachelor of Science to the Doctor of Veterinary Medicine? - five-fold expansion on July 27, 2008, and selfnom by Tim1965 (talk) 02:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length & reference verified. As a side note....WOW what a great job expanding the article on a topic that is arguably a core subject for an encyclopedia. Many Kudos to Tim. It would be wonderful if the article could be enhanced with some images or illustrations--maybe something to get into the lead slot on the DYK update? Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 23:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The image would have to be not-copyrighted, correct? By that, I mean no "fair use" images (because those can't be on the main page).- Tim1965 (talk) 00:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added two images and a chart to the article (all drawn from Commons), and hope to find an exciting (!) picture of vet students doing clinical training (from my personal collection) to add to Commons tomorrow. Maybe even another chart, if I'm really industrious and lucky. - Tim1965 (talk) 01:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that New Year's Revolution (2005) was the first pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment to be held in Puerto Rico? Self nom, created the article myself. -- iMatthew _T.C. 14:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Statement is not cited in the article. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 01:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that The Birches (pictured) in Garrison, New York, was known as the Honeymoon House because both of William Osborn's sons lived there after their weddings? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 18:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date confirmed. Verified using NRHP entry. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paddy Moran

... that Paddy Moran, (pictured) aggressively defended the area in front of his net by using his stick to slash opposing players near his net and exhaling at them while chewing tobacco? (Self-nom, 5x expansion) Maxim_(talk) 01:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 26

... that the Young Australia League was initially formed in 1905 to promote Australian rules football? [self-nom] Moondyne 02:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Sebastian Hardie were Australia's first symphonic rock band, formed in 1967? (written by Shaidar cuebiyar nom by Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log)) --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 01:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the source of the bomb that brought down Canadian Pacific Airlines Flight 21 near 100 Mile House, British Columbia in 1965, taking the lives of all 52 aboard, was never determined? (self-nom) KenWalker | Talk 03:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from July 29, to this section. The date the article started to be created/expanded, is where the hook should be placed. Length, date and hook verified. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 05:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that although he wrote six dozen German songs (or Lieder), Franz Liszt was accused by critics of never having had a proper grasp of the German Lied? -- new article by User:Deb; Nom by Rlendog (talk) 23:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest: Commons:Image:Liszt 1839.png (right) or any portrait in Commons:Category:Franz Liszt. --74.13.127.194 (talk) 01:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Sidney Weighell, General Secretary of the National Union of Railwaymen, played profession football with Sunderland for two seasons as an inside-left? (self-nom, newly created) Ironho lds 12:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length & reference verified. Though I would probably wiki-link Association football in there since DYK is for an international audience where football means different things. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 11:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the "Madame Marie" mentioned in the 1973 song 4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy) by Bruce Springsteen was a real-life fortune teller on the Asbury Park boardwalk? -- Article expanded fivefold by User:Wasted Time R; Nom by Rlendog (talk) 18:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest mention of 1973 and Bruce Springsteen in the hook. You have room. --74.13.127.194 (talk) 18:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I made the changes above. Rlendog (talk) 16:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Smith Estate (pictured) was the home of a writer on occultism, the head of a railroad, and a deputy mayor, and the shooting location for the cult film "Spider Baby"? new article, more than 5-fold expansion Cbl62 (talk) 15:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Giant Dead Leaf Mantis

... that the Giant Dead Leaf Mantis (shown) falls to the ground and lies motionless when threatened? self nom House of Scandal (talk) 01:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My change of "lays" to "lies" was reverted, so please see Lay or Lie? Art LaPella (talk) 03:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Art! I didn't realized someone changed it, I thought I wrote it wrong. - House of Scandal (talk) 03:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Between now and when it hits the Main page, can the references be formatted properly using {{cite web}} or whatever else is appropriate? Daniel Case (talk) 15:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that an original 35 mm film print of the 1987 film A Month in the Country was only rediscovered in 2004 due to the efforts of a fan? (self-nom) Bob talk 22:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified; changed "intervention" to the more appropriate "efforts". Daniel Case (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the St Nicholas Priory in Exeter is being restored with the same methods that were used 500 years ago? Created by NHSavage on 26 July expanded by myself on the same day. bsrboy (talk) 19:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and hook verified, but the article is supported by only one reference. PeterSymonds (talk) 01:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a new section on the museum with another reference now. bsrboy (talk) 01:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that David Nichtern wrote the hit song "Midnight at the Oasis"?

or:

ALT hook: ... that David Nichtern's mother, Claire, was the first female Tony award winner? New article, self-nom. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 19:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They're short enough that we can combine them both so we know why David's notable in his own right:

... that David Nichtern, who wrote "Midnight at the Oasis", is the son of the first female Tony Award winner? Daniel Case (talk) 15:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and ref verified. Per concerns that have been raised regarding this editor, I did not find any text that appeared to have been copy-and-pasted; however others are free to check in more depth. Daniel Case (talk) 15:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that while serving aboard HMS Carcass as a midshipman on an Arctic expedition (pictured), a young Horatio Nelson is reported to have chased a polar bear? - self nom, new article, Benea (talk) 19:25, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, hook and date verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 00:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Welsh sportsman Billy Bancroft not only played rugby for Swansea and cricket for Glamorgan at St Helens Ground but also lived there as a child and became its groundsman when he retired? (self-nom) FruitMonkey (talk) 18:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and creation date verified; offline reference accepted in good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 15:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the music video for Blooddrunk was filmed at former Nazi barracks in Krampnitz, near Berlin? (self-nom) LuciferMorgan (talk) 14:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- According to this page, Kaserne Krampnitz was built by the Nazis as a Heeresreitschule (army riding school) and used as a base for Red Army armoured forces from the late 1940s. I suggest "Red Army barracks" instead of "Nazi barracks". Also, Krampnitz isn't in Berlin, it's in Potsdam. Xn4 (talk) 13:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I misread the source, and changed it to "near Berlin" - I'm assuming that's what the source means by "in the vicinity of..". Furthermore, do you have an English written source? I cannot speak German. Anyway, the article itself says the Russian army was stationed there "prior to the reunification of Germany". Would it be better if I chose an alternative fact instead? Please let me know - I'd rather change the fact than not have a DYK for the article not used. LuciferMorgan (talk) 18:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Your problem here is really that roadrunnerrecords.com isn't likely to be a very reliable source for the history and geography of Potsdam... and when you stop to check out what it says, it doesn't prove to do very well. Here's a page in English you could use, which refers to the riding school and the Russian barracks, but as channel4.com isn't much better than roadrunnerrecords.com, I should cite the bbfc.de page, too, noting that it's in German. Xn4 (talk) 20:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the German sculptor Paul Ondrusch was offered a position of a professor at the Munich Academy at the age of 22? (self-nom) --Kasjanek21 (talk) 13:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article falls short of 5x expansion. It was around 2,901 bytes on July 20th and is now only around 6,997 bytes today. You will need to get closer to 14,505 to qualify. It would be great if you could expand the article further. I found it a very interesting read on a subject we don't see too often at DYK. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 22:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that John Buckler created 13,000 drawings and paintings of historic British buildings, such as Ely Cathedral (pictured)? Self nom Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 10:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified; ODNB reference taken on good faith, although if any editor with access can verify and green-check this that would be great. Daniel Case (talk) 15:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ODNB reference verified. David Underdown (talk) 15:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lady with a Harp by Thomas Sully — *Lady with a Harp* by Thomas Sully

... that Eliza Ridgely of Baltimore and Hampton is Thomas Sully's Lady with a Harp (pictured)? - self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 03:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 15:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Australian ophthalmologist Sir Norman McAlister Gregg discovered the link between rubella and congenital disorders in newborn infants after overhearing several of his patients discussing their illness during pregnancy? -- new article self-nom by Canley (talk) 11:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date of creation verified; offline ref accepted on good-faith grounds. Daniel Case (talk) 15:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Henry A. Smith became the dominant landowner in what is now Interbay (pictured), Seattle, Washington by buying when so many others were selling during an 1855–56 Indian War? - Jmabel | Talk 04:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC) (self nom, major expansion)[reply]

What's in the map? I can't tell what's there with the image displayed at 100x100px. Perhaps we should consider an alternate picture? --74.13.127.194 (talk) 18:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a map of Seattle, with Interbay highlighted. Other possible images would be Commons:Image:Interbay P-Patch poppies 01.jpg or Commons:Image:GLO map of Interbay and Magnolia claims - 1863.jpg. - Jmabel | Talk 21:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Map thumbnails are generally discouraged on the Main Page for exactly this reason ... it's hard to tell what the map is of. Use one of the other images. Daniel Case (talk) 15:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Besides that, length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 15:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Congregation Beth Israel of New Orleans, Louisiana, severely flooded after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, was flooded again in 2007? (self nom, article creator). Jayjg ^(talk) 02:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 25

... that the possibility that Max Stirner influenced Friedrich Nietzsche (pictured) has been the subject of great debate among scholars? Article contributed by Picatrix (talk · contribs), nomination by Skomorokh who would like to point out to administrators that any opportunity to post that rockin' moustache on the front page should not be passed over lightly. 02:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While the moustache is certainly rockin', the article is technically outside DYK date parameters for eligibility. It was created on July 11th and has not been expanded five fold within the last 5 days. It's certainly an extremely well done article that has real FA-potential. The referencing on the hook checks out and if an admin wants to do a "exception" listing on DYK, that is their call. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 11:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Curses, my mistake. Sorry for wasting your time. Skomorokh 16:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Raphael painted Felice della Rovere, the illegitimate daughter of Pope Julius II, into The Mass at Bolsena (pictured, della Rovere in black), commissioned for the Apostolic Palace? Savidan

Length & reference verified. Though I would cut off the tail end "commissioned for the Apostolic Palace". While the ref supports it, there is no mention in article of this tid bit and I don't think it really enhances the "catchiness" of the hook. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 11:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As for the A.P. part, I was just trying to give some context to the painting. Linking to the Raphael Rooms would accomplish this from my point of view as well. Savidan 02:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that original stained glass from the Miller and Herriott House was removed to a restaurant near Disneyland, prompting one writer to compare the new glass to the wooden leg on Sara Bernhardt? new articls, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 15:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified. Offline reference accepted in good faith. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 11:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that British West Florida is a micronation in the United States which claims itself as a commonwealth of Great Britain? (new article self-nom) - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase "claims sovereignty to" gets 19 Google hits, and in none of those cases does the sovereign entry come after the word "to". "Sovereignty under" might be better, but the article doesn't say that, and the reference says: "We do not seek to restore 'British Sovereignty', rather we seek to restore the Native Sovereignty of our People under God and the Crown." Art LaPella (talk) 01:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest "... that British West Florida is a micronation in the United States which claims Queen Elizabeth II as its sovereign?" - House of Scandal (talk) 01:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Is that better? Otherwise "sovereignty under QEII" or "under England" would be fine, since it's British rule in general, not her specifically... - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)~~ OK... that should work... I think 'claims itself as a commonwealth' is about the most accurate description of the situation... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One single inline citation isn't going to cut it.--Bedford ^Pray 06:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be leery about promoting a hook about a subject that's already been deleted five times. Also, please remove the blatant POV and personal opinions from the article ("Part 3 there is the interesting one" and "I kind of doubt it"). - Bobet 10:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That section was a copyvio added by another user just this morning, it has been removed. - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple more citations just added... regarding the previously deleted, from the deletion edit summaries, I assumed it had been deleted under CSD for lack of content (and that was 2 years ago IIRC). I tried to write a legitimate article, and don't think it would qualify for CSD in it's present form... - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My concern is that the hook suggests some some of validation for its claims. Its a topic worthy to be on Wikipedia, but how many people realize what a micronation actually means?--Bedford ^Pray 05:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It suggests nothing, just that they claim sovereignty... and as for how many people know what a micronation is, isn't that all the more reason to have it as a DYK? People that don't know might actually learn something from it... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it be called the United Kingdom and not Great Britain, as Great Britain is a geographical term. Although if you are refering to the current status of the commonwealth, it's now called the Commonwealth of Nations. 86.29.141.64 (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sympathetic to this article, but I don't see why this supposed micronation is notable. There are literally thousands of these micronations which exist primarily in the mind of one individual and whoever reads that individual's website. In it's current state, this article is a better canidate for AfD that DYK. - House of Scandal (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also going to oppose putting this article on the main page. I'm not sure it's notable or verifable enough that it would pass an AfD, so we shouldn't feature it. Vickser (talk) 07:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the 1932 Southern German football championship final between Eintracht Frankfurt and Bayern Munich was halted seven minutes before the end due to Bayern supporters invading the pitch? self-nom, new article EA210269 (talk) 12:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone speaks german they should feel free to verify and green-tick this. Length, date and inline citation all check out. Great article! Vickser (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

German ref. verified. The system works! Olaf Davis | Talk 22:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the waxcap mushroom Hygrocybe austropratensis (pictured) has been declared an endangered species by the Government of New South Wales? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length & reference verified. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 10:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... ~~that at WWE's No Mercy (2005) pay-per-view, Randy Orton and his father, "Cowboy" Bob Orton, locked The Undertaker (pictured) in a casket and set it on fire?~~ New article, created by me. Self nom. –L A X 00:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ... that at WWE's No Mercy (2005) pay-per-view, Randy Orton and his father, "Cowboy" Bob Orton, kayfabe locked The Undertaker (pictured) in a casket and set it on fire? –L A X 18:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, but perhaps the hook needs a tweak so people know it was a work?--Bedford ^Pray 18:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've never been a big fan of any hook that relies solely on in-universe details. Was there something special about the event with real-world implications? - Bobet 10:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then. How about the latter? –L A X 18:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of "as part of their storyline", maybe say kayfabeed?--Bedford ^Pray 20:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now? –L A X 20:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me.--Bedford ^Pray 20:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that International Association of Athletics Federations' third president, Adriaan Paulen, was part of the Dutch resistance during World War II? (self-nom) Chris (talk) 15:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified. Offline reference accepted in good faith. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 10:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What are these 2 images for? They were posted here without a hook. --74.14.21.221 (talk) 16:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain what you mean buy a hook for the images? Do you mean I need a DYK to accompany the images as well? - Hexhand (talk) 17:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We feature brand new (or freshly expanded) articles on DYK, not recently uploaded images. Yes, we need a hook. This webpage is where we review hooks for DYK. With no hooks, what excuse do we use to put these images on the main page? --74.13.127.194 (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Japanese director Kei Kumai’s Sandakan No. 8 lost the 1975 Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film to a film by another Japanese director, Akira Kurosawa's Dersu Uzala? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 17:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length & reference verified. Though I would recommend an alt hook commenting on the general plot line and mentioning that its nominated for an Oscar. The fact that it was nominated and lost alone doesn't seem very catchy. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 10:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, this was the only time that two Japanese directors were in direct competition against each other for the Foreign Film Oscar. Kumai's film was the Japanese entry, but Kurosawa's film was the USSR entry (Dersu Uzala was a Soviet-Japanese co-production). But since the length and reference for this hook check out, I will leave well enough alone. :) Ecoleetage (talk) 12:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the small town of Hico, Texas, has developed a Western tourist industry through a museum which purports that Ollie P. Roberts, or "Brushy Bill" of Hico, was the real outlaw Billy the Kid?--self-nom, revised and expanded Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article not expanded five fold. Was around 2,477 bytes on July 13th and is now only around 8,190 bytes of pure article text. It needs to get closer to 12,385 to qualify. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 22:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the New York Mets traded Mike Welch to the Philadelphia Phillies for Hector Mercado, a player who was drafted and traded the same day, only for him to play against the Mets on his major league debut? Self nom. I counted a 205 character hook, but we can always forgive that. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 18:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, hook and date verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 22:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that military sociology, one of the branches of sociology, looks at issues such as gender, minorities and power in the military? --article by various authors (see 5 authors listed here as Group 3), just destubbed. If there are comments on what needs to be improved in this article for it to be DYKed, please copy the comments to article's talk page. It was created as an educational assignments and the students may not be aware of the custom of commenting at this template talk. Nom by --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The offline ref can be accepted in good faith but like stages of growth model this one technically falls outside the date parameters with its being newly created on July 14th and not expanded fivefold from its state 5 days ago. It also has some clean up tags that call for attention. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 10:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Technicality. Don't we claim Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy? If not, then do note that the article was officially destubbed in the proper period for DYK. So it's fine :) Seriously, we should encourage and reward new editors (like the ones who created this article) with things like DYK, and act less as a bureaucracy (5 seconds after 24h deadline... rejected). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the stages of growth model describes the changing role of information technology in organizations? ----article by various authors (see 5 authors listed here as Group 4), expanded severalfold over the past few days. If there are comments on what needs to be improved in this article for it to be DYKed, please copy the comments to article's talk page. It was created as an educational assignments and the students may not be aware of the custom of commenting at this template talk. Nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The offline reference can be accepted in good faith. However, the article is technically ineligible due to not being a true five fold expansion in the last 5 days. It's been a work in progress since July 16th. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 10:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied above.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the sexual script is a sociological analysis of what leads up to sexual intercourse? ----article by various authors (see 5 authors listed here as Group 2). If there are comments on what needs to be improved in this article for it to be DYKed, please copy the comments to article's talk page. It was created as an educational assignments and the students may not be aware of the custom of commenting at this template talk. Nom by --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified; offline ref accepted on good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 04:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, let's hold off on this one until there are in-text cites, per the tag. Daniel Case (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the article has enough inline refs for the hook.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the small city of Hico, Texas, has developed its Western tourist industry through a museum which purports that Ollie P. Roberts, alias "Brushy Bill" Roberts of Hico, was the outlaw Billy the Kid?--self-nom, updated and expandedBilly Hathorn (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article not expanded five fold. Mastrchf (^t/_c) 20:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that during the Great Depression, violence in Seattle's Smith Cove (pictured) between longshoremen, strikebreakers and police ultimately resulted in the loss of much of the city's maritime traffic to the Port of Los Angeles? - Jmabel | Talk 06:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC) (self-nom, recent expansion of a stub to a solid article)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Not quite fivefold, but this was a well-enough-done job that I feel we can be a little lenient. Daniel Case (talk) 04:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Guarijío of Mexico prepare an herbal tea, malo en el cuerpo (pain in the body), from Wimmeria mexicana, chamomile, and cilantro? self nom « D. Trebbien (talk) 22:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't find any reference to the herbal tea or the Guarijo in cited source. Daniel Case (talk) 04:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a link directly to the page of The Trees of Sonora, Mexico. I formatted the references section somewhat differently this time, and perhaps you were looking at Contributions from the U. S. National Herbarium? « D. Trebbien (talk) 23:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on July 24

... that the Cheonhado (pictured) is a unique type of circular world map developed in Korea in the 17th century? Self-nom PHG (talk) 05:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How are these unique? The article doesn't seem to make this claim, and Mappa mundi are also circular world maps with many similar features. The article itself acknowledges the potential Western influences. Can the hook state the explicit features which are unique to this style of map perhaps? Benea (talk) 12:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The article is really still a stub, with only a single source, and makes claims "such as 'produced in Korea only'" which really need more than a single source (which doesn't even use wording quite that strong). --El on ka 17:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too short (only 1000 bytes of main body text) and as Elonka says, claims like "only produced in Korea" need to be cited. Gatoclass (talk) 04:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad, I thought 1000 bytes was OK for DYKs... The sources for "only produced in Korea" is Oh Sang-Hak Circular World Maps of the Joseon Dynasty, KOREA JOURNAL, Spring 2008 (p. 10, first para) "...no identical world maps have been in China or Japan...". Cheers PHG (talk) 08:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that young Heliobolus lugubris lizards imitate certain ground beetles which squirt a pungent acid in defense? (self nom) [note: Eremias lugubris, given in the source, is an obsolete name for the lizard] Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 01:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion length verified. The wording of the hook is a little odd in regards to the article & referencing. Reading the hook at face value it appears to say that the one of the ways that the lizards imitate ground beetles is by squirting a pungent acid in defense. However the article and reference only say that the lizards imitate the beetles in their coloring and movement. At closer inspection, it looks like the hook is trying to combine two separate interesting facts in a cumbersome way that encourages confusion. I recommend rewording the hook with the simplest solution being dropping the pungent acid defense. However, you may want to explore a new hook regarding Charles Darwin's work and interaction with the beetles. The name recognition would add to the "catchiness". Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 22:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to hazard a tentative guess that the relevance of the acid-spitting is that the lizards imitate beetles so potential predators will avoid them for fear of the acid - in the same way many insects imitate the colouring of wasps to benefit from other creatures' fear of stings. If I'm right then the hook could probably stand to be clarified, since at first reading I too thought it was saying the lizards spat acid (indeed, the article itself would benefit from the information). If on the other hand I'm pulling things out of my ass, then I concur with Agne's suggestion. Olaf Davis | Talk 23:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, That's it precisely. I was being overly curt and hence unclear in the proposal because I wanted to be brief, and the lizard has no article yet (so linking it would be pointless). If anyone has an idea how to better phrase it, fire right away. (FYI, there are some geckos that imitate scorpions, and I have not found any other case of mimicry of terrestrial invertebrates by terrestrial vertebrates. I left the wording in the article somewhat more open as I am only 98% sure I checked out all that has been published on that topic.)

As to Darwin, Bombardier beetle has the misinterpretation that it was one of those critters, so that would need to be corrected. After copyediting Ground beetle I needed a break from these critters so I merely added a warning. For that reason, I did not suggest the Darwin story as a DYK; I would have done it otherwise. So if you think the Darwin stories have DYK material, that's cool also. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 23:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So how about:

... that young Heliobolus lugubris lizards imitate certain acid-squirting ground beetles in order to scare off predators? or
... that young Heliobolus lugubris lizards imitate the colouring and behaviour of certain acid-squirting ground beetles in order to scare off predators?

Dysmorodrepanis, does the reference you used mention that? If so perhaps you could add half a sentence to that effect, and if not we can go with the Darwin hook. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Grand Lodge of Indiana was started at the Schofield House (pictured) of Madison, Indiana's historic district on January 13, 1818?(self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 01:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not the most exciting, but I may make this a triple hook, so I thought I'd get the process started.--Bedford ^Pray 01:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Text counter was down, but Schofield House should be long enough.--Bedford ^Pray 12:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is: 2,064 bytes of readable prose. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Added a third new article.--Bedford ^Pray 13:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's special about this day? Was it a Friday? --74.14.16.90 (talk) 00:35, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing especially notable about the day. The hook could stand without the date, if there is a need to be shortened.--Bedford ^Pray 00:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have a clear consensus on the discussion page that bare urls are no longer acceptable, so you will need to fix them first. Gatoclass (talk) 06:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, the troll has been fed. Of course, we now are encouraging trolling, and trying to hinder people making articles, but the troll is fed. Recheck it.--Bedford ^Pray 07:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not call your fellow DYKers trolls. It's disrespectful, and enforcing community consensus is hardly troll like. Vickser (talk) 07:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't call them trolls; I'm calling them troll-feeders. The whole reason this rule was made was to discriminate against me. Now, future trolls have a precedent that they can look to and inspire to. There were also very few bare hooks; most were book referenced.--Bedford ^Pray 07:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that session steel guitarist Lloyd Green has played on 115 number one hits, including those by Jerry Lee Lewis, Alan Jackson, and Dolly Parton? -- self nom by Izzy007 Talk 01:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Hook unreferenced. Sunderland06 (talk) 00:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alt hook ... that session steel guitarist Lloyd Green learned to play Hawaiian guitar by age seven and graduated to the steel guitar that he played professionally in clubs by age ten? (alt nom) ww2censor (talk) 14:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Congregation Beth Israel of Honesdale, Pennsylvania, is one of the oldest synagogues in the United States, and was billed as "The smallest temple in the world"? -- self-nom by article creator Jayjg ^(talk) 00:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No qualifying article. Art LaPella (talk) 07:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see, the article name wasn't bolded. I've fixed that. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congregation Beth Israel (Honesdale, Pennsylvania) needs to be expanded from <600 characters to >1500 characters. --74.14.16.90 (talk) 00:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 23

... that Karnataka state has banned the use of convocation caps – the "mortarboard" – and students have now the option to wear the State's traditional Mysore Peta?--Nvvchar (talk) 00:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How about "... Karnataka has banned mortarboard caps at convocations and replaced them with the Mysore Peta?" Sniperz 11_@^CS 14:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a considerable degree of plagiarism in this article. Can't be featured until editor puts the information in his own words. Gatoclass (talk) 14:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please clarify the plagiarism part so that I can remove them or avoid them in my future articles. I have used only referenced material in the article and photos which are already available in other wiki articles.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that no head coach of the Suns has ever been elected into the Basketball Hall of Fame as a coach? -- new article self-nom by K. Annoyomous 24 21:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List's intro text is too short. Daniel Case (talk) 20:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Mesodermochelys is thought of as one of the better representatives of dermochelyids from the Mesozoic era? Over 30x expansion; self-nom. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Still just 44 characters too short. Daniel Case (talk) 20:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)~~[reply]

You don't have to condemn it, Daniel. There's still time for me to expand it further; that should be a possible vote symbol. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 21:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have expanded it further, and the main body is now at 1522 characters. Are there any other problems that need to be fixed? Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 21:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length verified; offline ref accepted on good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 02:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I request that this article no longer be considered for DYK as the editor has admitted to making nonsense edits purely for the goal of getting this article in DYK with the proper count number, including an attempt at a revert war from a legible and more accurate interpretation of a scientific article.[1] In addition the editor is making personal attacks in edit summaries on this article in order to obtain her stated trophy of 5000 DYK edits at any cost.[2] She has also resorted to personal attacks in her reversions while removing purposeful careful edits in order to get the word count right so she can score a DYK point.[3][4] I will also request the editor be banned from contributing to DYK for some time until this attitude changes. --Blechnic (talk) 04:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think 3 and 4 are that bad (how is #4 a personal attack?). My biggest problem is using so-called "leet speak". I can sympathize with trying to get to 1500 characters, but she needs to leanr to bloviate better. Also, 5000? I have the fifth-most of anyone ever in DYK creation, and I'm only at 152, and the highest is only in the 200s. It is long before she needs to bother getting to 5000, which would take at least a dozen years to do.--Bedford ^Pray 05:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately because the references are offline and I don't have access to them, there is no way for me to tell how accurate the respective positions are. So basically, this looks like a content dispute. There is also obviously growing tension between these two editors, which is making it difficult for them to work together productively. However, since there is clearly a dispute here about the accuracy of the article, I don't think we can promote it until the dispute is resolved. Gatoclass (talk) 05:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the DYK creation record is in the 200's, then 5000 can't be a serious goal. It has to be a joke, probably implying that more serious further explanation would be unhelpful. Art LaPella (talk) 05:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Battle of Ontario, between Toronto and Ottawa, is often called one of the top rivalries in the NHL? (split from other article, edited and reformatted; self-nom by User:Random89)

split from other article? Where? Is this a 5x expansion? --74.14.16.88 (talk) 09:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Much of the content came from the article NHL Rivalries. I split it off to its own article, cleaned it up, sourced it, and removed POV and un-encyclopedic statements. I think this still qualifies for DYK, but correct me if I'm wrong. Random89 19:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference verified. The article is not a 5 five fold expansion because the vast majority of the text is taken from the NHL Rivalries article. If we have a shortage of hook and are in a pinch, this one is a maybe. I do think we should revisit the issue at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. I can see strong points for including splinter articles that have been substantially cleaned up but not quite 5x expanded. However, I do think they should be lower on the totem pole to articles that have been written from scratch or truly 5x expanded. But it is something that should be part of a larger consensus discussion. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 21:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I had really no idea if this was acceptable when I suggested it, because the text itself has most definitely not been 5x expanded, but technically it is a new article. I do belive thought that this fits the spirit of DYK, because the information in the new article is presented in a way for more friendly to a reader linked from the main page, with little background knowledge, than was the previous section of the larger article. I'm sure there are plenty of cases like this, so I agree that maybe a larger discussion should take place. Random89 08:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Bao Jinghowlal's middle name, Davis, was the last name of an American solider that befriended his family during the US occupation of Yap? Soccahdude1122 (talk) 05:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No qualifying article. Bao Jinghowlal is neither new enough nor long enough. Art LaPella (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... "that studies have shown that three out of every four U.S. dollar bills are contaminated by cocaine or another illicit drug?"(new article self nom) - Hexhand (talk) 18:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too short. Gatoclass (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too short in what way? A bit of descriptiveness might help matters. - Hexhand (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gatoclass means that the main body of the article, which excludes the images and their captions, the list of sources, and the "See also" section, is too short. The smallest an article can be to be truly Start-class, and ready for DYK, is 1500 bytes in the main body, this article's only got about 1235. There's still time to expand it up to the desired length, however. But as a side-note, you might wish to tweak the hook you have provided, as "of every four, more than three..." sounds strange; with four being the maximum limit given, isn't the only full number larger than three four? Good luck, though! Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 20:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have since fixed the nom, expanded the article to 26kb, and found a boatload of info about the contamination of the British pound as well. A word to the wise: stop licking bank notes. Yuck-o. - Hexhand (talk) 00:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty long enough now. I am verifying in spite of the fact that the refs. need registration, as at least one article summary more or less confirms it. My only quibble would be that I would be happier if it was phrased "that studies have shown" as most of the studies seem to have been quite small, ie, to make it something like "that studies have shown that three out of every four U.S. dollar bills are contaminated by cocaine or another illicit drug?" Gatoclass (talk) 02:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Done, though I was under the impression that the article title had to be in the DYK. Did I misread that?- Hexhand (talk) 03:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The article title does have to be bolded and linked, but [[contaminated currency|contaminated]] accomplishes that. The unpiped article title is sometimes preferred, but not always required, and it isn't a written (or Unwritten) rule. Art LaPella (talk) 03:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay; just want to point out that the rules, unwritten or otherwise, don't list that as an option. Thanks for the input. :)- Hexhand (talk) 06:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Fixed. Art LaPella (talk) 04:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since another user claims to have just caught Hexhand making a large copyvio to this article, it will have to be thoroughly checked before it is promoted. I don't currently have time to do that, so I'm changing my vote from verified to possible in the meantime. Gatoclass (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe before besmirching my rep, maybe you could actually look into the matter before passing judgment, Gat. Poor form. - Hexhand (talk) 14:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See here - the expansion was done by copying text from two newspaper articles, with some minor alterations which Hexhand (in good faith I believe, but mistakenly) thought were enough to stop it being a copyright violation. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 21:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the good faith, Iaian. :) I've reworked that material bearing similarities, found alternative (and more) citations, removing the possibility of copyvio. Might we reinstate this DYK, please? - Hexhand (talk) 17:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I think it still follows source too closely in the Britain section, as Iain suggested above. Rewrite that section and it might be okay for DYK. Gatoclass (talk) 15:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are incorrect. The section has been heavily rewritten, added to and cross-sourced. As I have asked you twice on your talk page, please point out where you think it "follows source too closely" (on my user talk page, if you wish). - Hexhand (talk) 18:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some further rewriting of one of sections which caused problems; subject to the section on Hepatitis C being reworked or removed I think it should be OK now, though a look from another pair of eyes wouldn't go amiss. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 21:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Major League Baseball player Dell Alston was signed as a free agent with the Cleveland Indians, only to be released about two years later? --Expanded fivefold. Modeled after Steve Adkins, Santo Alcala, two DYKs.--LAA Fan 20:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this common? -74.14.18.205 (talk) 02:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is very common. Length and date verified. The hook? Not so much. The hook is about something too common and it is overall not interesting. Please try to find a different hook. Regards, RyRy (talk) 10:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]