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**Geographical features are often mentioned in works of fiction. Isn't there anything more unusual in the article?--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] 13:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
**Geographical features are often mentioned in works of fiction. Isn't there anything more unusual in the article?--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] 13:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
::*(alt hook)...that [[China's]] '''[[Flaming Mountains]]''', its red [[sandstone]] etched with [[gullies]] from molten [[lava]], is a striking sight at twilight when the sunlight dramatizes its contours? --[[User:Mattisse|<font color="0E77DC">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] 16:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
::*(alt hook)...that [[China's]] '''[[Flaming Mountains]]''', its red [[sandstone]] etched with [[gullies]] from molten [[lava]], is a striking sight at twilight when the sunlight dramatizes its contours? --[[User:Mattisse|<font color="0E77DC">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] 16:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:::*(alt alt hook)...that the [[gorge]] in [[China]]'s '''[[Flaming Mountains]]''', near the ruins of the once busy [[oasis]] city of [[Gaochang]], was an important [[Mountain pass|pass]] on the ancient [[trade route]] skirting the deadly [[Taklamakan Desert]], the [[Silk Road]]? --[[User:Mattisse|<font color="0E77DC">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] 16:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:::*(alt alt hook)...that the [[gorge]] in [[China]]'s '''[[Flaming Mountains]]''', near the ruins of the once busy [[oasis]] city of [[Gaochang]], was an important [[Mountain pass|pass]] on the ancient [[trade route]], the [[Silk Road]], skirting the deadly [[Taklamakan Desert]]? --[[User:Mattisse|<font color="0E77DC">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] 16:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
::::*(alt alt alt hook) ...that the [[Chinese]] '''[[Flaming Mountains]]''' 's striking appearance (a result of sunlight falling on its [[gullies]] etched by molten [[lava]]) has spawned legends that it was created by the blood of a slain [[dragon]] or by embers falling from heaven? --[[User:Mattisse|<font color="0E77DC">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] 22:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
::::*(alt alt alt hook) ...that the [[Chinese]] '''[[Flaming Mountains]]''' 's striking appearance (a result of sunlight falling on its [[gullies]] etched by molten [[lava]]) has spawned legends that it was created by the blood of a slain [[dragon]] or by embers falling from heaven? --[[User:Mattisse|<font color="0E77DC">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] 22:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
*...that Oregon's abandoned '''[[Point Adams Light]]house''' was removed in 1912 because its redwood structure was considered a fire hazard? (new, self) —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 05:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
*...that Oregon's abandoned '''[[Point Adams Light]]house''' was removed in 1912 because its redwood structure was considered a fire hazard? (new, self) —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] 05:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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Articles created on September 21

I removed the logo for this article from this nominations section, as it won't run on the mainpage anyhow. There are normally enough free use images. Royalbroil 13:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Better wording:
That statement is incorrect. The following is okay:

Articles created on September 20

  • We could make this shorter and sacrifice the middle bit without losing the effectiveness of the hook:
Must not be a reliable cited source. There are several free outdoor series in Portland, Oregon: [1] [2] —EncMstr 16:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I am misreading your links I am not seeing that these series are exclusively classical music.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, those were classical in the 1960s and 1970s, but aren't anymore. Here's a free classical series: [3] I'm pretty sure Eugene and Ashland have some too, though I couldn't find them just now. —EncMstr 18:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This fact is patently false in the current grammar. If the qualification is that they be exclusively classical, the entry needs to specify that. As it stands that could easily be construed as implying a more broad claim than you seem to be saying it does. There was a series of free outdoor classical concerts in Vancouver, Washington's Esther Short Park this very summer, by the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra. But they were mixed in with other types. If the wording of the entry was clarified to be exclusive, then it might be more verifiable. VanTucky Talk 18:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure how to phrase it better, but look at the schedule and you can see they do over 30 classical music performances over the summer. The links you are pointing me to are places where they do a couple of classical music performances that don't seem to be a dedicated series to me. If you look at the schedule I am pointing you to and compare it to the other series' you should be able to help me clear up the phrasing.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection to the rephrasing. That was what I was looking for. VanTucky Talk 19:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, if it said continuously operating series it would stand apart from anything I know of. —EncMstr 21:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Great Hall of the People
The Great Hall of the People
  • But what's so unusual about this? It's mere scheduling information. Daniel Case 15:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • After skimming the article, I think the word "toured" may be a bit misleading here. Could you reword? (Everything else checks out. What an informative little article!) Awadewit | talk 20:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Checked. This is around 1700 characters at the moment. Any relevant information you could add would strengthen the article. Awadewit | talk 20:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Checked. Looks like an interesting person - any relevant information you could add to flesh out this 1900-character article and connect its various parts together would strengthen it. Awadewit | talk 20:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spelling corrected in above hook. I mention it only because of its implications for the new "checked" concept. Art LaPella 21:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created on September 19

  • Note: this was a "split off" article so I am unsure of its qualification. --Mattisse 00:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that in Chinua Achebe's novel Arrow of God, an African chief's refusal to allow his villagers to harvest yams causes them to convert to Christianity? (self nom, --JayHenry 05:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]

or

I have a comment on the first one; the link to pioneer shold be removed because it rediects to settler which does not have much to do with television broadcasters. -Icewedge 15:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article suggests that his earlier engravings exhibit more of this characteristic than his later ones - is that more accurate? Also, perhaps the article could explain horror vacui? Finally, it would be good to have an inline citation sourcing the horror vacui style. Awadewit | talk 20:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What are believed to be his last few plates (Eisler 67-73 out of 73 I think) show much less than the others. Are you suggesting the hook should mention this? It doesn't seem necessary. Horror vacui has it's own article, which is linked. I can find a reference. Or another hook. Johnbod 20:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reference added, & hv described. Johnbod 22:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Barely over 1500 characters - could you add a bit more to the article? Also, could you add an inline citation for the hook's fact in the article? Awadewit | talk 20:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that the residents of Rajnagar, in democratic India, still honour Rafiqul Alam Khan, a successor of the former ruling family, as the king, on the occasion of the Muslim festivals of Muharram and Eid? Self nom - P.K.Niyogi 22:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that the Southampton Boat Show is the largest sailing exhibition in the United Kingdom? -- September 19, 2007 new article self-nom by Montchav 14:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • If anyone doesn't like the hook (I found it quite interesting) I can surely come up with another, this is a pretty interesting building overall. Thanks to Rklawton for the photo, there is a second one on the article page if you would like to use that instead. IvoShandor 11:28, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Checked. (I think it's interesting!) Awadewit | talk 20:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yue Hwa Building
Yue Hwa Building
  • Sounds good to me! Thanks. I've incorporated most of your changes above -- Juxtatype 05:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Currently a 876 character article the way we count them - see #Suggestions. Could you make it longer?
He didn't bring the story into the English language; he pointed out a possible Persian source for the Italian source somebody else had pointed out for the traditional English legend. Doops | talk 03:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created on September 18

  • Notes: This article seems to have been enlarged on September 14. --Mattisse 03:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Geographical features are often mentioned in works of fiction. Isn't there anything more unusual in the article?--Carabinieri 13:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • (alt alt alt hook) ...that the Chinese Flaming Mountains 's striking appearance (a result of sunlight falling on its gullies etched by molten lava) has spawned legends that it was created by the blood of a slain dragon or by embers falling from heaven? --Mattisse 22:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that Oregon's abandoned Point Adams Lighthouse was removed in 1912 because its redwood structure was considered a fire hazard? (new, self) —EncMstr 05:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that after changing the light of Oregon's Point Adams Lighthouse from alternating red and white to fixed red to reduce confusion caused the HMS Fern Glen to run aground in 1881? (new, self) —EncMstr 05:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wordy and run-on, in other words itself confusing. Try:
You're right—it was wordy. The citation won't support the version above, but how about this?
  • ...that after Oregon's Point Adams Lighthouse changed colors to reduce confusion, it caused a ship to run aground in 1881? —EncMstr 17:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The rear façade of Mayslake Hall.
The rear façade of Mayslake Hall.
File:Lifeline Express.jpg
  • Take your pick of the two images. IvoShandor 22:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article needs wikifying and re-referencing. --74.13.124.95 05:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Again as mentioned just above the article needs work before we should allow it to be on Did You Know. Xtreme racer 13:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also "worst" needs to be explained. Does that mean "deadliest?--Carabinieri 13:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that Lukasz Cieplinski, officer of the Polish Army and the Home Army, renowned for his bravery and organizational skills, was murdered in 1951 by the Communist Polish secret service? Self-nom by Tymek 20:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • "renowned for his bravery and organizational skills" is not neutral.--Carabinieri 13:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Dick Mann article should be watched carefully for vandalism while on the mainpage. Article resuscitated after a speedy deletion with little content. Royalbroil 03:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

::Note, I am in progress of creating a brief article on the duck which will have a picture, which could be included on front page if this is selected. Phgao 12:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Ok done, here is the article [[5]] and the picture is here [[6]]. Phgao 12:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oops just realised fair use does not go on front page. Ah well. Phgao 12:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Subscript text

Articles created on September 17

  • ...that throughout the Western world until about 1920, young boys wore dresses (example pictured) until they were breeched at an age varying between two and eight? -- self-nom by Johnbod 23:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • An excellent article which I am happy to support, though more inline references would be a plus point. Espresso Addict 18:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've added some inline citations. - PKM 03:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that Preiļi is one of the oldest settled places in Latvia, first mentioned in written sources in 1250? --self nom by Gragox 15:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[[Image:Hrkhanna-supremecourtofindia.nic.in.jpg|right|100px]] No fairuse pics, please. --74.13.124.95 05:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • ...that Tirpitz the pig (pictured) rescued after the sinking of the SMS Dresden became a ship's mascot on one of the cruisers that sank the Dresden? (self nom) Benea 09:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The main reference for the article is the version on the German Wikipedia. Can non-wiki inline citations be found at least for the facts in the hook? Espresso Addict 18:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created on September 16

  • Interesting article but it's a little short (though over the minimum) -- can anything more be added? Espresso Addict 19:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article was expanded, and additional sources were added. Please let me know if any further changes would be necessary. Alansohn 21:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replacing this article under suggestions; much of the current material seems to already exist at Radium Girls, so I'm not sure it would be eligible. Espresso Addict 04:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
100px100px
100px100px
  • ...that the Brazilian metropolis of São Paulo had its origins in a humble Jesuit mission known today as Pátio do Colégio? (pictured) (self-nom) Fsouza 19:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nice article, but can inline citations be provided for the references, particularly for the facts in the hook? Espresso Addict 18:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I understand your concern, but I wrote this article based on only two references. I would have to add inline citations every other sentence to the same references, so that's why I didn't do it. I find inline citations more useful when there are many references cited. Anyway, it is common knowledge in Brazil that Sao Paulo began as a Jesuit mission. Fsouza 13:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • I have added a footnote with a link to the official site of Sao Paulo State that specifies that the city began as a Jesuit mission. Fsouza 15:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that the Soviet historiography was purposefully designed to lie about facts the Bolsheviks found inconvenient? (I created the article as a stub, but most of the credit should go to User:Colchicum, User:Piotrus and User:Biophys, who thoroughly expanded it and added plenty of sources.)

Alternatively,

Yet another alternative:

Article is currently POV and heavily employs weasel words or the passive voice in weasel-ish fashion. I've commented the issue on the talk page. Let's discuss this there, please don't add any responses here until the issue has been resolved on the talk page.--Carabinieri 19:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article's problems are outlined at Talk:Soviet historiography#Weasel and POV. --Irpen 19:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article is well-referenced with academic literature. It has strong claims, but they are well-referenced, and not a single source contradicting them has been presented. WP:IDONTLIKEIT doesn't equal WP:NPOV.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Too much duplication from Syracuse Orange#Mascot? --74.14.22.47 21:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that a phase of the poetry of Spanish symbologist Juan Eduardo Cirlot was inspired by the lead actress of the 1965 film The War Lord? (self-nom) Robert K S 08:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why is that unusual?--Carabinieri 18:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd second this one. Wouldn't have thought it typical that a whole phase of someone's poetry is inspired an actress in a film. Cheers, Ian Rose 15:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Just to clarify, it looks to me like Ian Rose is seconding my self-nom and not Carabinieri's objection. Still, if it isn't deemed unusual for an otherwise non-famous, Canadian actress to have a marked impact on a major postwar Spanish poet-scholar, I can suggest another hook, to wit: ...that Spanish art critic Juan Eduardo Cirlot, of the Dau al Set school, gained international fame for his Dictionary of Symbols? Robert K S 17:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that as many as eight Israeli aircraft with the aid of air force commandos struck a target in northern Syria in the early hours of September 6 during Operation Orchard? (selfnom) -- Joshdboz 20:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is it that unusual for eight aircraft to take part in a military operation?--Carabinieri 18:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Agree with Carabinieri; it may be the hook but on this basis can't see anything special here. Cheers, Ian Rose 15:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • The whole operation is the "special" thing. It's not everyday that a large number of Israeli aircraft plus ground forces unilaterally and covertly strike deep behind enemy lines. If you want I can add the bit about a suspected nuclear site, but at the time I believed this would be enough. Joshdboz 17:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Expired noms

Articles created on September 15

  • Perhaps a detail could be added hinting at why this is noteworthy? Awadewit | talk 19:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps something along the lines of
...that M. Barnard Eldershaw, author of Tomorrow and Tomorrow, one of the earliest major Australian science fiction novels, was actually a collaboration between Marjorie Barnard and Flora Eldershaw?
...that M. Barnard Eldershaw, author of the classic Australian novels A House is Built and Green Memory, was actually a collaboration between Marjorie Barnard and Flora Eldershaw?
though both might be a problem to reference properly. Alternatively, something on the censorship of Tomorrow and Tomorrow might be interesting, though would be hard to work into a hook also including the two names. Espresso Addict 23:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually on closer inspection I'm not sure that this qualifies, as much of the information was already present under the individual authors before the 15 Sept. Espresso Addict 18:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article is currently marked as a stub and is only 629 characters long - it needs to be around 1500 characters long. Awadewit | talk 19:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that the founding statutes of Sir John Deane's College required the schoolboys to expel the schoolmaster each Christmas and play with bows and arrows? -- Article expanded fivefold on 15 September 2007 and self-nom by Matt 07:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only seems to have been expanded 2–3 fold (depending on whether or not the list is counted). Espresso Addict 21:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marked as stub - only 1000 characters long. Now marked for speedy deletion due to possible plagiarism. Also reads like an advertisement. Awadewit | talk 19:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted. --74.13.125.24 06:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that Copiah-Lincoln Community College reserves 21 percent of its beds for honors students, the highest percentage for any college in Mississippi? Self-nom Fbdave 01:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I might be missing something but this doesn't sound especially attention grabbing to me. Is there any better hook that could be used? Espresso Addict 18:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created on September 14

The Chicago Federal Building on the northwest corner of Jackson and Dearborn Streets.
The Chicago Federal Building on the northwest corner of Jackson and Dearborn Streets.
  • ...that British management consultant and Labour Party politician John Garrett served in several front bench positions, but failed to win a position in the Shadow Cabinet as a Tribune group candidate? (body text expanded by about 3-fold following recent death) -— !! ?? 12:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • But the minimum is a fivefold expansion.--Carabinieri 17:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Have you seen the article before I expanded it? It was six sentences (I make it 702 characters). Look at it now (I have expanded it even more, by the way - I make it 2,731 characters now). -- !! ?? 09:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • I still make it less than four fold, sorry. Espresso Addict 18:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • So those extra 77 characters (about 10 words) would have made all the difference? The fact remains that the article, as expanded, is almost entirely new. Oh, never mind. -- !! ?? 10:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I could expand the article a bit more, I suppose. But this should be judged on interesting-ness, not length :p Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I got 1078 characters, not counting the Discography and the infobox (the lead appears to be longer than the article, so I definitely counted it). Since DYK's are supposed to be at least 1500 characters (preferably longer), this article needs to be expanded by about one-third. Awadewit | talk 08:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd appreciate help with something a little more catchy, or at least the flows better if anyone has a second. ;-) --Falcorian (talk) 04:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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