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Articles created/expanded on October 10

  • ... that the Chagrin Falls Popcorn Shop was featured in "The Essential Calvin and Hobbes," showing a Godzilla-sized Calvin carrying off the entire building? (new article, self-nom) ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C) 05:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've removed the image; Non-free images are not allowed here. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
USS Nevada (BB-36)
USS Nevada (BB-36)

Articles created/expanded on October 9

Execution of Michał Kruk, Przemyśl, 1943
Execution of Michał Kruk, Przemyśl, 1943
Portrait of Isaac Massa by Franz Hals, 1626
Portrait of Isaac Massa by Franz Hals, 1626
  • .. that the first European map of the Siberian Arctic coast was obtained and published by Dutchman Isaac Massa (portrait pictured)? new, self-nom NVO (talk) 23:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Altar centre-piece, Solna Church
Altar centre-piece, Solna Church
  • ... that Solna Church (altar pictured), a round church in Stockholm from the late 12th century, was originally built for defense purposes? --self-nom. Oceanh (talk) 22:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Please embolden the new/expanded article. Thanks. -- how do you turn this on 19:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done :) Thanks, Vishnava talk 19:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that after being rejected from HaShomer, a Jewish defense organization in Ottoman Palestine, Yosef Lishansky founded a rival group called HaMagen, operating in the south of the country? (self-nom) -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Church of St Demetrius of Thessaloniki, Veliko Tarnovo
Church of St Demetrius of Thessaloniki, Veliko Tarnovo
  • Relations between whom? Suggest rewording: "Germany helped India establish IIT Madras ..." – Otherwise, date, length and references OK.  Sandstein  10:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 8

Ontario also has more residents than most provinces. --74.13.125.9 (talk) 04:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, however that's not mentioned in the article. The article is about Canadian universities. Gary King (talk) 04:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues It's a nicely done article, and its certainly something that is unlikely to be found elsewhere, but it doesn't have enough prose to qualify as per the #Instructions. Perhaps you could add an overview of Canadian universities as an intro? Thingg⊕⊗ 05:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that after his son was murdered during an university study abroad program in 2004, American entrepreneur Tom Petters, himself a college dropout, formed the John T. Petters Foundation to provide endowments that would benefit future students at several universities? -- new article by User:TedSaidMed and Bobak (talk) 23:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • TWEAK (now 199): that after his son was murdered during a study abroad program, American entrepreneur Tom Petters formed a foundation to provide endowments that would benefit future students at several universities? -- Bobak (talk) 15:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that footballer Peter Stringfellow suffered a dramatic decline in form, which ultimately ended his professional career, after being involved in a car crash in which a team-mate died? -- new article self-nom by ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
File:The First of May.jpg
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 216 character hook. ... that Zac Brown Band's single "Chicken Fried" was previously released by The Lost Trailers, whose version was withdrawn after Zac Brown changed his mind about licensing the song to that record label? is 198 characters. Thingg⊕⊗ 04:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note This will be the 50th DYK for an article I've created/expanded. Current total is 48 created/expanded + 2 nominated. Mjroots (talk) 10:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image for Filipino proverbs, Damiana Eugenio, Philippine Folklore hook
Image for Filipino proverbs, Damiana Eugenio, Philippine Folklore hook
  • ... that Filipino proverbs were grouped into six categories by Damiana Eugenio, a professor and author known as the Mother of Philippine Folklore (sample myth pictured)? – self-nom/article created from a simple list, hook count at 127 characters (no spaces) / 150 (with spaces), article’s character count at 2,084 (no spaces) / 2,472 (with spaces) - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Above suggested hook is now a double selfnom because I also created an article about Damiana Eugenio in addition to the Filipino proverbs article; current hook above now linked to this newly created article (and now bolded too) which has 1,886 characters (no spaces) / 2,331 (with spaces). Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When is election day? November? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 21:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
November 4. At least this isn't the Main Page. Art LaPella (talk) 21:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if we should wait till November 4. Too long a wait, IMO. --74.13.125.9 (talk) 04:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OR
Houses on Garfield Place
Houses on Garfield Place

Articles created/expanded on October 7

Expansion started on 7 October, from around 7kB to almost 40kB. JonCatalán(Talk) 15:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Renaissance woodcuts by Hans Wechtlin (example pictured) cover both the chivalric ideal of war and graphic details of war wounds? self-nom by Johnbod (talk) 01:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that M-67, a state highway in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, has remained essentially unchanged but the highways connecting to it have changed three times since 1919? — self-nomination after 5.89x expansion. History section cited by maps showing the changes in connecting highways. Highway marker shield available if desired Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Say where it is! OK Johnbod (talk) 01:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date, time, off-line sources accepted, 2786/474 = 5.88x expansion
Speaker iconMarguerite Sylva in 1910

I like the first hook, but would shorten it to: "*... that Marguerite Sylva modestly told W. S. Gilbert, at her sister's audition, that she "sang a little" and, after demonstrating, was offered a part? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That works quite well. Of course, we'd need to mention the recording or picture in some form, if they're used. Of course, this is only part of a rather fascinating anecdote, but, hey, that's why we're linking to the article. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date, hook and size verified. Manxruler (talk) 14:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Dick Trickle, billed as the winningest short track driver in history, won his first race outside of his home region at the 1966 National Short Track Championships at Rockford Speedway? - self nom by Royalbroil 14:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC) There are free use pictures available if helpful.[reply]
In my opinion, ALT2 adds words with giving little additional "hooky"-ness. Technically the track is not in Rockford, but in the suburb Loves Park. I strongly prefer the Dick Trickle version because he is a short track legend with probably the greatest number of race feature wins of anyone in the world. Hosting the first win outside of the home region for a legendary figure is an impressive first. It shows how important the track was at that time with someone of that stature driving a relatively long distance to compete there. It's been elusive to cite Trickle's number of wins since there are no concrete records from the time, so it is disputed. People are working on figuring out an exact total. Royalbroil 18:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, "the Rockford, Illinois" should either be "Rockford, Illinois" or "the Rockford, Illinois area". Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date, hook's ref verified. AdjustShift (talk) 17:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Main Page is protected!
Is there a svg version of the suggested pic that is not so grainy at 100x100px? --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It looked fine at 68px (see now) - I'll try and ask on Commons, and see if someone can convert it to SVG. I can't find a version at present. fish&karate 07:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whose self-nom is this? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 21:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is "renowned" really the operative word? How about "... that in Saskatchewan, Oban was known for having the last Interlocking tower at the CNR and CPR level crossing, until it was closed in 1990?" Wetman (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you...that works!SriMesh | talk 00:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, reference and history verified. Can we find a picture of one of these cups? This sounds interesting. Daniel Case (talk) 06:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, nope, I just noticed that. Thanks, BorgQueen. – RyanCross (talk) 13:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So removed. --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that a number of babies were rescued alive and safe from the collapsed Juárez Hospital during the 1985 Mexico City earthquake? ---I think it should the criteria for expansion... I did a really SERIOUS rewrite Thelmadatter (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 6912 to 26K is a very serious rewrite, although our criterion is fivefold expansion. That's why most Did You Know articles are new, or expansions of stubs. Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
or

...by Ugajin (talk · contribs) - nom Casliber (talk · contribs)

Articles created/expanded on October 6

  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues This article currently isn't quite long enough for Did You Know (references don't count). See #Instructions for details. Art LaPella (talk) 20:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the British late night comedy satire TV show Up Sunday was described by one of the cast members as "aimed at dirty minded insomniacs"? -- new article by User:Bingo99; nom by Bruce1eetalk 14:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the SS Schenectady , an oil tanker, broke almost in two whilst sitting at the dock in calm weather, before even having entered service? (selfnom, pictured) Shimgray | talk | 19:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
King's Mill
King's Mill
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Date and reference confirmed, but article too short at slightly under 1000 characters. Please identify the author of an article when nominating another's work. Kablammo (talk) 20:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues the expansion is sufficient, but the refs are to the subject's own work & web page, rather than to third-party sources as required. Bob (QaBob) 22:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about this new hook:
The hook is verified by a journal publication. --Jiuguang (talk) 16:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Attached to "Palace of Lausus" hook
Attached to "Palace of Lausus" hook
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 218 character hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Ref #3 confirms the hook, created October 6 and 5234 characters. However, I'm not entirely comfortable with a .com reference on the main page and I can't think of a way to word the hook to avoid it, anyone else have an opinion on this? ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) (talk) 12:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's an interesting hook IMHO. I don't think rewording is possible for a subject such as this. Would there be a reason not to feature a .com reference on the main page? Zithan (talk) 05:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that despite being of common birth, the marriage of Falkes de Breauté made him ‘the equal of an earl’? Expanded article from 1508 chars to 9231 chars; that's what I call progress. Ironholds 04:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article is not well-referenced enough - I commend you for your expansion efforts, but this article is not sourced to enough inline citations; one primary reference is not adequate for an article of this length. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article has moere than one source, and it passes the criteria. the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 22:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Slightly short (1449 characters). Reference and date OK. Chamal Talk ± 15:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, i added a little bit to the intro and etymology which i think should put it past 1500. thanks for the heads up. Ryan shell (talk) 21:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and ref are fine. Chamal Talk ± 13:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fascinating hook - first discovered because of a movie! Expanded length over 5x, date, off-line reference accepted. Royalbroil 14:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 255 character hook, or longer after correcting "Cow protection movement ... happened ... " to "... the cow protection movement ... that happened ... ". Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hooks should be a question. --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't mean to insert an ellipsis into the sentence. ALT: ... that Arya Samaj spearheaded the late 19th century cow protection movement, Hindu opposition to cow sacrifice, leading to violent riots spreading all across India and the the deaths of 107 people? Art LaPella (talk) 00:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great. 197 characters now. Thanks. Docku:“what up?” 00:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why would the U.S. Army care about identifying small-town mayors in Louisiana during World War I? Was Louisiana one of the Central Powers? Of course not. But this hook is rather misleading. --74.13.125.9 (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This one was hard to find a hook. The Army required doughboys to have a middle initial as a minimum for identification. I tried to rewrite it.Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 5

  • ... that before Charles Aitken (1869–1936) installed electric lighting, the Tate gallery (pictured) was cleared of visitors on dark and foggy days? -- new article by User:Jack1956; Nom by Ty 07:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Campaign poster for Apirak Kosayothin in the 2008 Bangkok gubernatorial election
Campaign poster for Apirak Kosayothin in the 2008 Bangkok gubernatorial election
The second one is the best I think. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 07:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The second hook is truly hilarious. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that the "among the great works of sculpture of all ages" is more striking and meaningful to more people. Moreover, Kubler is more notable than the fellow who argued it was a shaman. Madman (talk) 18:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date verified; offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
all books available on google books. --Soman (talk) 09:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
National Debt Clock
National Debt Clock
  • Length, date and fact referencing verified. Nice hook fact, it caught my attention. Jamie☆S93 21:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • His Times obit notes that his ship was torpedoed on the way to the US, perhaps add "surviving a torpedo attack on the way" to the end of the hook? (Should still be inside the character limit). David Underdown (talk) 12:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's OK with me, although it might be too complex for a hook. I'll leave it to the DYK hook experts. Feel free to add or not! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Tang Dynasty official Yang Wan declined a customary stipend as a senior official of his rank and distributed the stipend to his colleagues? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 02:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date verified; foreign-language hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Orson Welles took the role of Hastler in his 1962 film The Trial after comic actor Jackie Gleason turned down the part? (5x expansion, from the original 1,082-character article to the new 6,654-character rewrite, self-nom). Ecoleetage (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length, date and fact referencing verified. Jamie☆S93 21:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OR
I prefer this one. The first one is akin to "Late Night with David Letterman featured David Letterman, a married man. The second one is good. Chergles (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on October 4

DYK? - took my a while to work out what the hook meant but surely if the district is large (or if there are only 3 foreigners) then this is not remarkable? Victuallers (talk) 09:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Niederbottigen
Niederbottigen
Poll stations for Bernier's re-election open next Tuesday. Eight days before that was just two days ago. This book is already notable enough to get an article? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Notable? Yes, it has been getting lots of press coverage and book reviews in all the national (and many local) newspapers and even an excerpt in the National Post. Google News --maclean 06:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Admiral John Gell
Admiral John Gell
"packages" sounds odd - "goods" or "cargo"? Johnbod (talk) 01:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC) ok changed Victuallers (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Cubbon Park, also called Sri. Chamarajendra Park, in Bangalore has indigenous and exotic botanical species of 68 genera and 96 species with about 6000 plants/trees?--Nvvchar (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues A couple of problems, I get a 4X expansion (using User:Dr pda/prosesize.js), 1645 to 6609 = 4X. And the hook is not specifically cited within the article, the closest citation (#3) takes you here which has no specifics about the hook. --Captain-tucker (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have added some photos. I counted on the basis of all the text and photos which comes to 10517 bites (more than five times the original text). I was not aware of the formula that you have referred. As regards the Park, it has to be viewed as a complex(may be a change in the heading of the article into 'Cubbon Park complex' instead of Cubbon Park}as it is very well known for its Park as also for the monuments and bulidings located within it.If the criteria of length permits, kindly suggest a suitable revised hook which I can post. I will be thankful.--Nvvchar (talk) 04:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
#Instructions specifies that the main body text portion of the article (prose), not all of the text and photos, should expand 5 times. Thus adding photos doesn't change the prose portion length of 6609, and it's still 4X. Prosesize.js is a tool for automating all the things we exclude from the article to get the prose portion (see #Instructions and "Unwritten" Rule A2). If you could add 1616 characters of prose (not photos), that objection would be satisfied.
Captain-tucker also noted "the hook is not specifically cited ... ". Wikipedia:Did you know#Selection criteria says: "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." Thus the fact that the park is a complex doesn't address this objection, and revising the hook wouldn't address that objection either. What would address that objection is to find a source that verifies there are 68 genera, 96 species and about 6000 plants/trees, and to add a citation for that source to the article, right after the first sentence of Cubbon Park#Botanical assets. Art LaPella (talk) 06:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The authoriy quoted for the botancial statistics at number 3 of references is the Government of Karnataka organization called the "Horticulture Department" which is the authority in Karnataka on all Horticulture and is in charge of the Gardens in the state and the Cubbon Park is one of them. The web site under the heading Gardens provides the details of the Cubbon Park. I can't cite a better authentic source than this. But the main problem is of length. I don't have any text at present (unless I add superfluous stuff to the text of paras already added) to expand it by another 1616 bites. I will have to wait. Thanks for all the clarifications on the rules of DYK.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the citation objection would be overcome by adding instructions in the reference to click "Gardens" and then "Cubbon Park" (I couldn't make a direct link work), rather than making people look for it. Also, it should be linked from the article's supporting sentence, not from the next sentence. As for waiting, you probably know that the article will no longer qualify as new in five days or so. Art LaPella (talk) 17:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the suggestions. I have added more text and I hope it satisfies the length criteria. I have also made changes in the reference at 3 related to the Horticulture Departmentas as "Garden Cubbon Park". A modified hook with an image is now introduced below.
  • ... that Cubbon Park has indigenous and exotic botanical species of 68 genera and 96 species with about 6000 plants/trees and is also called Sri.Chamarajendra Park? --Nvvchar (talk) 07:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit concerned that the article appears to draw only on one source, and with under 5,000 Google hits most of the links out there also seem to point to the same source. I've heard the term loanable funds used, but never loanable funds market, probably because as you say it is a "theoretical market" and not a real one, whereas my firm deals with systems for making and assessing trades in the real markets. Guy (Help!) 21:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think of moving it to Loanable funds? Gary King (talk) 03:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have moved the article. Gary King (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article's prose is significantly less in size than before, and much of the article now consists of a list. While cleaned up and improved, the list does not meet DYK requirements. Kablammo (talk) 13:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
May you just tell me why the article is completely ineligible? I think this DYK nom shouldn't get a delete vote automatically. I could still fix the article and try to make this DYK nom successful. -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 19:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You would have to have a five-fold expansion of the prose section of the article, and the character count in the list section would be excluded. Your revisions have actually reduced the prose section in size, from over 15,500 characters to less than 900 characters in the non-list part of the article. Formerly the article was a list "trying to do more"; you have recast it as a well-formatted list with a brief introduction. While that may be a useful improvement, the DYK rules are based on a five-fold expansion of prose, as shown in the rules further up this page.
It is unlikely you could expand the prose section of this list to over 79,000 characters, which would be required for a five-fold expansion from the former text.
Other eyes are welcome on this one. Kablammo (talk) 20:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just to let you know, all of the sections about the stations were direct copies from the articles itself. I will try to make the prose more than 1500 characters if possible. -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 20:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The main page says "Did you know... From Wikipedia's newest articles:". The #Instructions elaborate on this: the article must be either completely new, or expanded fivefold. The prose portion of the rewritten article is shorter than before, not 5 times larger, and rewritten isn't what we mean by new. 1500 characters would be nowhere near 5 times. If "direct copies" means the previous text doesn't count due to copyright problems, please see "Unwritten" Rule A3. Art LaPella (talk) 20:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So I guess there is no way that this nomination would be accepted. O wells, thanks for both of your times. -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 20:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The sign linked in footnote 1 does not mention salmon; is it mentioned in another source? Kablammo (talk) 22:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: most offline German sources. I'm sorry, but it's hard to find something before www. Oh, and please correct my grammar, punctuation and spelling mistakes ,-) Thank you. Greetings Sebastian scha. (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment there's no direct citation for the Mayor of Hamburg fact, although I presume it is covered by ref [2] (the Tilgner book). I'll do a quick copyedit shortly. Alternatively, we could go for a hook which describes the medallion, which is also quite interesting. Length and date are fine. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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