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... that bears may be dispersers of the Japanese mountain cherry (painting pictured)?
... that Romani Holocaust survivor Philomena Franz wrote about her deportation to Auschwitz, internment in Ravensbrück, escape from a camp near Wittenberge, and concealment by a farmer?
... that a large basin on Neptune's moon Triton may have once been filled with liquid water cryolava, similar to how liquid silicates fill lava lakes on Earth?
... that Inman Jackson played "as though he were born with a basketball in each hand"?
... that Josephine Kenyon moved from recommendations of rigid scheduling to "on-demand" scheduling in editions of her book Healthy Babies Are Happy Babies?
... that Amie Parnes allegedly first heard about her employer, The Messenger, ceasing operations from a New York Times article?
... that Coffee Talk Episode 2: Hibiscus & Butterfly was released after the main creator of Coffee Talk died in March 2022?
... that baritone Liviu Holender chose lieder by five composers whose music was banned by the Nazis—Schreker, Zemlinsky, Mahler, Korngold and Schönberg—for a recital at the Oper Frankfurt?
... that some members of the U.S. Army Air Corps were so unimpressed by the Estoppey D-8 that one member stated that he would rather use "nails and a wire"?

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Articles created/expanded on October 10

... that experiments have indicated that Ruffed Lemurs (pictured) can understand the outcome of simple arithmetic operations? -- Article expanded fivefold by Visionholder; Nom by Rlendog (talk) 13:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Chagrin Falls Popcorn Shop was featured in "The Essential Calvin and Hobbes," showing a Godzilla-sized Calvin carrying off the entire building? (new article, self-nom) ∞☼Geaugagrrl^(T)/_(C) 05:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
- I've removed the image; Non-free images are not allowed here. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the 14"/45 caliber guns from the battleship USS Arizona (BB-39) were installed aboard the battleship USS Nevada (BB-36) and fired against the Japanese in 1945? (new article, dual nom with User:the ed17) TomStar81 (Talk) 05:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Orson Welles originally planned to end his film Don Quixote by having Don Quixote and Sancho Panza survive an atomic cataclysm? (new article, self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 03:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 9

.. that the first European map of the Siberian Arctic coast was obtained and published by Dutchman Isaac Massa (portrait pictured)? new, self-nom NVO (talk) 23:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that County Route 41 in Onondaga County, New York, was once part of two state highways and one turnpike?Mitch32^(UP) 23:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Solna Church (altar pictured), a round church in Stockholm from the late 12th century, was originally built for defense purposes? --self-nom. Oceanh (talk) 22:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC).

... that Bruce Voeller coined the term for the acronym AIDS? Self nom. -- how do you turn this on 22:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- No inline cites. ~one of many editorofthewikis ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  - Ed, it's fully referenced. Why do I need inline cites? -- how do you turn this on 22:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
    - The rule at Wikipedia:Did you know#Selection criteria number 3 requires inline cites and gives a brief explanation, and that rule represents a strong consensus. Also, I would substitute the redundant "the term for the acronym" with either "the term" or "the acronym". Art LaPella (talk) 03:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
      - Done then (not the hook, the cites). The hook is quite accurate as it is. -- how do you turn this on 13:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
... that growing Kazakhstan-People's Republic of China relations help Communist China avert the establishment of U.S. bases in Kazakhstan and harness its oil resources? Vishnava_talk 19:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Please embolden the new/expanded article. Thanks. -- how do you turn this on 19:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Done :) Thanks, Vishnava_talk 19:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Kazakhstan and Turkey have sought to promote closer bilateral relations and foster close ties between Turkic nations of Central Asia? Vishnava_talk 18:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that India has supported Kazakhstan in its bid for a Caspian Sea naval fleet despite Russia's opposition? Vishnava_talk 18:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that after being rejected from HaShomer, a Jewish defense organization in Ottoman Palestine, Yosef Lishansky founded a rival group called HaMagen, operating in the south of the country? (self-nom) -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 18:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Alfred Philippe Roll was the French government's official painter? Self nom. -- how do you turn this on 17:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Zola Maseko was the first South African filmmaker to receive the top prize at FESPACO, the Golden Stallion of Yennenga, in 2005? New article by the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 16:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC), expanded by User:Blofeld of SPECTRE and the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 16:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that offset agreements are one of the methods used to ensure a country's balance of trade? -- new article, self-nom Malick78 (talk) 15:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that when the Church of St Demetrius was built in Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria, a rumour was spread that the saint would come to the city? (self-nom) Todor →Bozhinov

... that Jason Dozzell is the youngest player to have scored in the Football League First Division when he scored for Ipswich Town aged 16 years and 57 days? self nom, article expanded from 1008 to 5156 chars, The Rambling Man (talk) 13:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
... that Rettamalai Srinivasan, Dalit leader from the Madras Presidency, was a brother-in-law of famous Dalit activist Iyothee Thass?-self-nom by-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 12:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that New Zealand Police Commissioner Howard Broad joined front-line officers on the beat for 2008 New Year's Eve? -- new article self-nom by XLerate (talk) 09:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Germany helped India establish the Indian Institute of Technology Madras and their bilateral trade is expected to reach €30 billion by 2010? Vishnava_talk 00:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Relations between whom? Suggest rewording: "Germany helped India establish IIT Madras ..." – Otherwise, date, length and references OK. Sandstein 10:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that John Okello claimed that he heard a voice which told him to lead the Zanzibar Revolution?
- or ... that the Zanzibar Revolution sparked army mutinies in Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika? - expansion, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Our Man Higgins, a 1962–1963 ABC sitcom, featured Stanley Holloway of My Fair Lady as an emphatic English butler to a suburban American family?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- I have taken the liberty to remove some links; I think there were too many of them. The year ones, especially, were useless, and I'd say the same for the English and American ones. Waltham, The Duke of 05:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that "Jealous Minds Think Alike" was the first single by British Pop Punk band, You Me At Six to chart in the UK singles chart? - creation, self nom --Cabe6403 (Talk•Please Sign my guest book!) 22:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- The British link isn't really needed, is it? Also, I'm not sure Pop Punk should be capitalised. Waltham, The Duke of 05:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 8

... that until the 1990s, the Short-beaked Common Dolphin (pictured) and the Long-beaked Common Dolphin were considered the same species? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 03:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Ontario has more universities, with 22, than any other Canadian province? Gary King (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Ontario also has more residents than most provinces. --74.13.125.9 (talk) 04:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, however that's not mentioned in the article. The article is about Canadian universities. Gary King (talk) 04:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a nicely done article, and its certainly something that is unlikely to be found elsewhere, but it doesn't have enough prose to qualify as per the #Instructions. Perhaps you could add an overview of Canadian universities as an intro? Thingg^⊕^⊗ 05:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that in 2000, an ammonia discharge into a tributary of the River Clun in south Wales killed its entire resident population of European bullheads? ~ New article by Daicaregos; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC).

... that Olivia Colman bonded the cast of Beautiful People by arranging a visit from a mobile blood donor unit? -- article created by Whg106, expanded by Bradley0110 (talk) 08:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that after his son was murdered during an university study abroad program in 2004, American entrepreneur Tom Petters, himself a college dropout, formed the John T. Petters Foundation to provide endowments that would benefit future students at several universities? -- new article by User:TedSaidMed and Bobak (talk) 23:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

264 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 23:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

TWEAK (now 199): that after his son was murdered during a study abroad program, American entrepreneur Tom Petters formed a foundation to provide endowments that would benefit future students at several universities? -- Bobak (talk) 15:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

verified. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 04:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that for 25 years the Schomberg and Aurora Railway connected the small town of Schomberg, Ontario to the Toronto and York Radial Railway running along Yonge Street? Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that unique versions of Percy Bysshe Shelley's (pictured) "Mont Blanc" and "Hymn to Intellectual Beauty" were rediscovered in a notebook 160 years after they were originally composed? double nom, co-nom with User:Awadewit on both, Mont Blanc is 5x expansion, Hymn to Intellectual Beauty is new. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that footballer Peter Stringfellow suffered a dramatic decline in form, which ultimately ended his professional career, after being involved in a car crash in which a team-mate died? -- new article self-nom by ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that mountaineer William Woodman Graham had to abandon an expedition to Kanchenjunga when a porter accidentally burned his boots? -- Self nom Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 21:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the first person to learn what is in the United Kingdom Budget, presented by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on Budget Day is the Queen? — I wrote it. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (talk) 21:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

File:The First of May.jpg

... that Queen Victoria wore the George III Tiara, part of Elizabeth II's jewel collection while being painted in Franz Xaver Winterhalter's The First of May (pictured)? - self nom --Cameron * 17:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Zac Brown Band's single "Chicken Fried" was previously recorded by The Lost Trailers, whose version was withdrawn after Brown changed his mind about licensing the song to that record label? – Self nom by Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

216 character hook. ... that Zac Brown Band's single "Chicken Fried" was previously released by The Lost Trailers, whose version was withdrawn after Zac Brown changed his mind about licensing the song to that record label? is 198 characters. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 04:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thingg^⊕^⊗ 04:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that in 1870 the Bishop of Chester considered that the proposed altarpiece for the Church of Saint John the Baptist, Liverpool was too "Popish" and refused to consecrate the church until it was removed? Self-nom by Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC); big expansion. (202 characters, including spaces - if it's too long, delete "in 1870"; or change "considered" to "opined" (horrible word)).

... that during the American Civil War, Nebraska lost 239 men? (created by Bedford (talk · contribs), expanded by 8th Ohio Volunteers (talk · contribs))--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 16:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Friston Windmill is the tallest surviving post mill in the United Kingdom? New article created on 8 Oct and self nom by Mjroots (talk)

Note This will be the 50^th DYK for an article I've created/expanded. Current total is 48 created/expanded + 2 nominated.

Mjroots (talk) 10:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the American singer Becca provided the closing theme, "I'm Alive!", for the episodes of the 2008 Japanese anime Kuroshitsuji? (self-nomination) — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 05:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that France has strengthened bilateral ties with India by signing agreements allowing it to purchase French-made nuclear reactors, the Mirage 2000 fighters and the Scorpène submarines? Vishnava_talk 04:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Filipino proverbs were grouped into six categories by Damiana Eugenio, a professor and author known as the Mother of Philippine Folklore (sample myth pictured)? – self-nom/article created from a simple list, hook count at 127 characters (no spaces) / 150 (with spaces), article’s character count at 2,084 (no spaces) / 2,472 (with spaces) - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Note: Above suggested hook is now a double selfnom because I also created an article about Damiana Eugenio in addition to the Filipino proverbs article; current hook above now linked to this newly created article (and now bolded too) which has 1,886 characters (no spaces) / 2,331 (with spaces). Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Fostoria Glass Company production peaked in 1950 when it manufactured over 8 million pieces of glass? (new; self nom) --Rosiestep (talk) 02:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

(alt1) ... that all U.S. Presidents from Dwight D. Eisenhower through Ronald Reagan ordered glassware from Fostoria Glass Company of Moundsville, West Virginia? (It might be a good one around election day.) --Rosiestep (talk) 15:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

When is election day? November? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 21:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

November 4. At least this isn't the Main Page. Art LaPella (talk) 21:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if we should wait till November 4. Too long a wait, IMO. --74.13.125.9 (talk) 04:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Pre-Raphaelite English artist John Wharlton Bunney painted a picture including the entire western facade of St. Mark's Basilica over six hundred early morning sessions?...by Ugajin (talk · contribs) - nom Casliber (talk · contribs)

... the only print of Orson Welles' 1938 film Too Much Johnson was destroyed in a 1971 fire at Welles' home outside of Madrid, Spain? (5x expansion, from 635 to 3563 characters, self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 16:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Polish Jewish cancer specialist Julian Aleksandrowicz, during WWII was aided in the Kraków ghetto by one of the Polish Righteous, and later escaped and joined Polish resistance Armia Krajowa? self-nom by --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Ensign O'Toole, a 1962–1963 NBC military comedy series starring Dean Jones, also featured Jack Albertson, Beau Bridges, Jay C. Flippen, Harvey Lembeck, and Jack Mullaney?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

OR

... that Ensign O'Toole, a 1962–1963 NBC military comedy series starring Dean Jones, was set aboard the USS Frank E. Evans, which was thereafter destroyed in an accident?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Houses on Garfield Place

... that South Liberty Street in Poughkeepsie, New York, was renamed Garfield Place (houses pictured) after the assassination of President James A. Garfield? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 03:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 7

... that the power of the Ku Klux Klan in Indiana was once so great its leader claimed "I am the law in Indiana"? (created by Charles Edward (talk · contribs), nom by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 16:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the German Donbas Operations (19 February – 6 March 1943) led to the destruction of 52 Soviet divisions, and the recapture of the cities of Kharkov and Belgorod from the Red Army? JonCatalán^(Talk) 15:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Expansion started on 7 October, from around 7kB to almost 40kB. JonCatalán^(Talk) 15:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Tang Dynasty general Li Huaiguang saved Fengtian, where Emperor Dezong of Tang was at the time, from falling to the rebel Zhu Ci? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 13:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that army officer and M.P. William Hacket Pain was involved in planning and organising the Larne Gun Running operation, which helped to arm the Ulster Volunteers during the Home Rule crisis of 1912? ~ New article by Sam Blacketer; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC).

... that Renaissance woodcuts by Hans Wechtlin (example pictured) cover both the chivalric ideal of war and graphic details of war wounds? self-nom by Johnbod (talk) 01:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Arthur Cecil debuted on the professional stage in No Cards by W. S. Gilbert and Cox and Box (pictured) by Arthur Sullivan but was never hired by Gilbert and Sullivan? -- self-nom by Ssilvers (talk) 22:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that cold weather kept the Montreal Expos on the road for their first 19 Opening Day games, until 1988 when Dennis Martínez became the starting pitcher of the team's first opening day home game? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Framsden Windmill (pictured) was raised by 18 feet (5.49 m) in 1836, and worked for another 100 years? Article created on Oct 7 and self-nom by Mjroots (talk)

... that Carson Parks, who wrote the hit song "Somethin' Stupid", was the brother of Beach Boys' collaborator Van Dyke Parks? (self nom - Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC) - may be obvious to some, but I didn't know)

... that M-67, a state highway in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, has remained essentially unchanged but the highways connecting to it have changed three times since 1919? — self-nomination after 5.89x expansion. History section cited by maps showing the changes in connecting highways. Highway marker shield available if desired Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

~~Say where it is!~~ OK Johnbod (talk) 01:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Date, time, off-line sources accepted, 2786/474 = 5.88x expansion

... that Georg J. Lober′s 1956 sculpture of Hans Christian Andersen in New York City's Central Park was funded in part by contributions from Danish and American schoolchildren? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 02:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Marguerite Sylva in 1910

... that Marguerite Sylva (recording: Le Cid), modestly told W. S. Gilbert she "sang a little" when he asked after her sister's audition, and, after demonstrating, was offered a part? -- Nomination by User:Shoemaker's Holiday, article by User:Voceditenore. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- A simpler hook might be "... that opera singer and recording pioneer Marguerite Sylva was really named Marguerite Alice Hélène Smith?" You could also use this rather nice photograph of her, if you like, but Voceditenore did a fantastic job on this article, and I couldn't help but nominate it here =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the first hook, but would shorten it to: "*... that Marguerite Sylva modestly told W. S. Gilbert, at her sister's audition, that she "sang a little" and, after demonstrating, was offered a part? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

That works quite well. Of course, we'd need to mention the recording or picture in some form, if they're used. Of course, this is only part of a rather fascinating anecdote, but, hey, that's why we're linking to the article. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Ronn Reynolds spent parts of six seasons as a Major League Baseball catcher, despite a career batting average of just .188? -- new article self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 00:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Horatio Nelson called the captains who fought with him at the Battle of the Nile his "Band of Brothers"? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 23:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that, although having a tradition of over 600 years and being the backyard of the Zagreb cathedral, the Ribnjak neighborhood in Zagreb, Croatia is a focal point of gang violence in the city?
- (The "benevolent" hook) ... that the Ribnjak neighborhood in Zagreb, Croatia was named after ponds that used to cover its western half? --self nom, written and moved to mainspace in a single day. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 22:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that only a few English churches celebrate the ancient custom of "clipping the church"? Self nomination. It's quite short though, but I think it has over 1500 characters. -- how do you turn this on 21:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Just barely at 1622, with spaces. the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 22:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- this one's really good DYK! I thought of a darker hook, something like "it's the congregation, not a low-flying plane". NVO (talk) 19:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that William Trueheart was the acting U.S. ambassador to Saigon during the Vietnam Conflict, because his superior, Frederick Nolting, wanted a break from duties? Expanded by Caulde 20:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the hard rock band AC/DC has never won a Grammy Award despite receiving four nominations during their career? Gary King (talk) 18:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that All Saints' Church, Childwall (pictured) is the only medieval church in the metropolitan borough of Liverpool, Merseyside, England? Big expansion; self-nom by Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Sir Davidge Gould, who served during the American Revolutionary, French Revolutionary and the Napoleonic Wars, was promoted to the rank of Admiral in May 1825? new article by User:Benea, nominated by AdjustShift (talk) 16:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Jens Landmark, Norwegian Lieutenant Colonel and director of Kongsberg Weapons Factory, also served three terms in the Norwegian Parliament? Punkmorten (talk) 21:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Date, hook and size verified. Manxruler (talk) 14:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Emily McPherson College of Domestic Economy, an Australian domestic science college for women, was officially opened on April 27, 1927 by Her Royal Highness Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon? new article by User:AshGreen, nominated by AdjustShift (talk) 16:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Empress Wang, the wife of Emperor Dezong of Tang, was only empress for three days prior to her death in 786? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 15:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Dick Trickle, billed as the winningest short track driver in history, won his first race outside of his home region at the 1966 National Short Track Championships at Rockford Speedway? - self nom by Royalbroil 14:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC) There are free use pictures available if helpful.

... (ALT) that Rockford Speedway is the only NASCAR-sanctioned weekly racetrack in Illinois? - self nom by Royalbroil 14:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Not nearly as interesting, as most states have few NASCAR-sanctioned weekly tracks.
- (ALT2) How about this: ... that Rockford Speedway, a 1/4 mile short track oval in the Rockford, Illinois, is the only racetrack running under NASCAR sanction in Illinois? AdjustShift (talk) 17:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, ALT2 adds words with giving little additional "hooky"-ness. Technically the track is not in Rockford, but in the suburb Loves Park. I strongly prefer the Dick Trickle version because he is a short track legend with probably the greatest number of race feature wins of anyone in the world. Hosting the first win outside of the home region for a legendary figure is an impressive first. It shows how important the track was at that time with someone of that stature driving a relatively long distance to compete there. It's been elusive to cite Trickle's number of wins since there are no concrete records from the time, so it is disputed. People are working on figuring out an exact total. Royalbroil 18:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, "the Rockford, Illinois" should either be "Rockford, Illinois" or "the Rockford, Illinois area". Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that South African Mich d'Avray played football in England and Holland before becoming the last ever National Soccer League Coach of the Year in Australia? self-nom article expansion, 409 chars to 2085. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verified. AdjustShift (talk) 17:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Spain, which placed second at Eurovision in 1979 with "Su Canción", was rumored to have given high marks to a competitor so they did not have to host the international production the next year? (self-nom) Mike H. Fierce! 13:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- (alternate) ... that the song "Su Canción" in 1979 earned Spain a second-place ranking at the Eurovision Song Contest, which would not be achieved again until 1995? Mike H. Fierce! 13:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Bob McLean, who is a member of the Australian Football Hall of Fame, also played first-class cricket and scored a double century in the Sheffield Shield? Crickettragic (talk) 12:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Welsh politician David Lloyd George (pictured) said that he would prize no honour more highly than his Honorary Fellowship of Jesus College, Oxford? (self-nom, moved to mainspace today) Bencherlite ^Talk 11:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... the Universal edit button (logo pictured) is a Firefox add on supported by many websites that informs users when the web page they are viewing contains editable content? (self-nom) - fish&karate 11:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The Main Page is protected!

Is there a svg version of the suggested pic that is not so grainy at 100x100px? --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It looked fine at 68px (see now) - I'll try and ask on Commons, and see if someone can convert it to SVG. I can't find a version at present. fish&karate 07:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that William Tresham was elected as a Knight of the Shire for 12 successive parliaments? self-nom article expansion, 347 chars to 2640.

Whose self-nom is this? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 21:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Haruka Tomatsu, who provides two pieces of theme music for the episodes of the Kannagi anime, is also the seiyū of one of the series' titular characters, Nagi? (self-nomination) — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Oban is reknowned for having the last Saskatchewan Interlocking tower (pictured) at the CNR and CPR level crossing which was constructed in 1910 and closed in 1990.(self-nom) SriMesh | talk 05:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Is "renowned" really the operative word? How about "... that in Saskatchewan, Oban was known for having the last Interlocking tower at the CNR and CPR level crossing, until it was closed in 1990?" Wetman (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you...that works!SriMesh | talk 00:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Bolivian Mollo culture drinking cups included a built-in straw? (new; self nom) --Rosiestep (talk) 01:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, reference and history verified. Can we find a picture of one of these cups? This sounds interesting. Daniel Case (talk) 06:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Jock Wilson, who died on September 29, 2008, at the age of 105, was Great Britain's oldest D-Day veteran? (self-nom) Cunard (talk) 04:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that on Jackie Robinson Day of 2007, more than 200 baseball players wore number 42 in honor of the 60th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's major league debut? Self-nom. Very special day for Major League Baseball, and would probably get a lot of views if it was on the Main Page along with the image. – RyanCross (talk) 08:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Are you aware that the image is non-free? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, nope, I just noticed that. Thanks, BorgQueen. – RyanCross (talk) 13:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

So removed. --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that a number of babies were rescued alive and safe from the collapsed Juárez Hospital during the 1985 Mexico City earthquake? ---I think it should the criteria for expansion... I did a really SERIOUS rewrite Thelmadatter (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

6912 to 26K is a very serious rewrite, although our criterion is fivefold expansion. That's why most Did You Know articles are new, or expansions of stubs. Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Fiji Banded Iguana (pictured) is believed to have evolved from Green Iguanas that rafted on debris across 7,000 miles of Pacific Ocean from South America 13 million years ago? --Self nom after Five-fold expansion.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

or

... that the Fiji government claims the entire US zoo population of Fiji Banded Iguanas (pictured) are descended from illegally smuggled animals? --Self nom after Five-fold expansion.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that having lost his father early, jurist, farmer and Norwegian Parliament member Nils Landmark was raised by Jens Stub, a founding father of the Norwegian Constitution? Punkmorten (talk) 21:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Victorian painter William Shakespeare Burton was said to have dug a hole in the ground to stand in, so that he could paint the grass and ferns at eye level?

...by Ugajin (talk · contribs) - nom Casliber (talk · contribs)

... that the Bain Commercial Building (pictured) is the only intact Second Empire-style building in Wappingers Falls, New York? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 15:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 6

... that Nicholas Carr wrote a controversial article titled "Is Google Making Us Stupid?" in the July/August 2008 edition of The Atlantic Monthly? --new article, self-nom. I am working on a draft that I can use to expand the article, so length is easy to rectify if it falls short.-Manhattan Samurai (talk) 19:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

This article currently isn't quite long enough for Did You Know (references don't count). See #Instructions for details. Art LaPella (talk) 20:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm clear for length now. Are there any other problems with my DYK?Manhattan Samurai (talk) 03:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I just do basic proofreading. See "Unwritten" Rule H1. Art LaPella (talk) 06:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the British late night comedy satire TV show Up Sunday was described by one of the cast members as "aimed at dirty minded insomniacs"? -- new article by User:Bingo99; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 14:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that pollution has risen in the Sundarijal reservoir in Nepal due to large amounts of tourists who crowd the area every weekend? Expanded by the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 00:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC) from an article creaqted on August 28 by the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 00:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the SS Schenectady , an oil tanker, broke almost in two whilst sitting at the dock in calm weather, before even having entered service? (selfnom, pictured) Shimgray | talk | 19:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Neel Kashkari, six years after completing his MBA, was put in charge of the $700 billion U.S. Government bailout of financial institutions. -- Quite an important article, nominated (but not written by) Smallbones (talk) 18:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that in Shinto, a gongen represents a manifestation of a buddha from India to guide the Japanese people to salvation? -- new article by Urashimataro (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Future Primitive and Other Essays by anarcho-primitivist philosopher John Zerzan is regarded as an underground classic by anarchists and technophobes alike? Self-nom by the skomorokh 20:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that King's Mill (pictured) on the River Trent was used to grind flints for the pottery industry? self nom Victuallers (talk) 17:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that after the standardisation of the German Shepherd Dog, other herding dogs in Germany became known as Old German Shepherd Dogs and is now the name given to a rare modern breed (pictured)? -- (is that hook okay, or is there a better way to word it?) created by User:Tilkin expansion and nom by ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 12:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the day that British East India Company acquired a sliver of land to build Fort St George is celebrated as Madras Day in Madras (Chennai), India? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom Wiki San Roze^†αLҝ 07:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the penitential tone of John Audelay's poetry may have been influenced by his sense of responsibility for his lord's involvement in a fatal brawl? --Article by User:Svejk74, nom by Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 22:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the MIM-46 Mauler (pictured) was the first in a long string of failed attempts to add armored anti-aircraft missile systems into the US Army? Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that St George's Church, Everton (pictured) and St Michael's Church, Aigburth were two of the three churches in Liverpool built by John Cragg which contained many cast iron components? Both articles greatly expanded: double self-nom by Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that MTA Regional Bus Operations was created in 2008 to consolidate all bus operations formerly maintained by separate management structures at MTA New York City Bus, MTA Long Island Bus, and MTA Bus? new article by User:AEMoreira042281, nominated by AdjustShift (talk) 20:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Swaminarayan's biography, Satsangi Jeevan comprises of 19,387 Shlokas among 360 Chapters, in 5 Volumes? nomination by Juthani1 ^tcs 19:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Date and reference confirmed, but article too short at slightly under 1000 characters. Please identify the author of an article when nominating another's work. Kablammo (talk) 20:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that during the Second World War English footballer Jimmy Boswell served in the same army unit as four other future Gillingham F.C. players? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that among Connecticut's contributions to the American Civil War are the Henry rifle and the song Marching Through Georgia? (created by 8th Ohio Volunteers (talk · contribs), nom by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 16:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that John J. Leonard, a professor at MIT CSAIL, aims to develop persistent autonomy techniques which allows robots to complete long duration tasks with minimal human supervision? --self-nom, --Jiuguang (talk) 15:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

the expansion is sufficient, but the refs are to the subject's own work & web page, rather than to third-party sources as required. Bob (QaBob) 22:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

How about this new hook:

... that John J. Leonard, a professor at MIT CSAIL, developed a vision-based simultaneous localization and mapping (SLAM) algorithm for mapping the RMS Titanic?

The hook is verified by a journal publication. --Jiuguang (talk) 16:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Palace of Lausus, built in early 5th-century Constantinople, housed a vast collection of mythological statues, including the Statue of Zeus at Olympia (pictured), one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World? (self) —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 11:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

218 character hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that in 2001, PR Newswire listed sextoy.com, founded by Dave Levine as the largest company on the internet with no employees? Zithan (talk) 10:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Ref #3 confirms the hook, created October 6 and 5234 characters. However, I'm not entirely comfortable with a .com reference on the main page and I can't think of a way to word the hook to avoid it, anyone else have an opinion on this? ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 12:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It's an interesting hook IMHO. I don't think rewording is possible for a subject such as this. Would there be a reason not to feature a .com reference on the main page? Zithan (talk) 05:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Tugboat Spence and its barge Guantanamo Bay Express deliver cargo twice-monthly from Naval Station Mayport near Jacksonville, Florida to Naval Station Guantanamo Bay in Cuba? -- new article self-nom by Haus^Talk 07:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that 2008 film Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist was Lorene Scafaria′s ninth screenplay but first novel adaptation? (self-nom) —97198 (talk) 07:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that despite being of common birth, the marriage of Falkes de Breauté made him ‘the equal of an earl’? Expanded article from 1508 chars to 9231 chars; that's what I call progress. Ironho lds 04:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

- I commend you for your expansion efforts, but this article is not sourced to enough inline citations; one primary reference is not adequate for an article of this length. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 05:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

This article has moere than one source, and it passes the criteria. the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 22:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that William Long, Minister of Home Affairs in Northern Ireland at the start of The Troubles, later became the skipper of a fishing boat? (self-nom) Warofdreams talk 01:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the plesiosaur Bathyspondylus was first described in 1982 from a specimen collected in 1774? selfnom Ryan shell (talk) 01:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Slightly short (1449 characters). Reference and date OK. Chamal ^Talk ± 15:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, i added a little bit to the intro and etymology which i think should put it past 1500. thanks for the heads up. Ryan shell (talk) 21:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and ref are fine. Chamal ^Talk ± 13:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Fiji Crested Iguana (pictured) was discovered when a scientist saw the lizard on film at an advance screening of the 1980 film Blue Lagoon? --Self nom after Five-fold expansion.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Fascinating hook - first discovered because of a movie! Expanded length over 5x, date, off-line reference accepted. Royalbroil 14:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Arya Samaj spearheaded the late 19th century cow protection movement, Hindu opposition to cow sacrifice, leading to riots spreading across India and the deaths of 107 people? self nom.Docku:“what up?” 17:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

255 character hook, or longer after correcting "Cow protection movement ... happened ... " to "... the cow protection movement ... that happened ... ". Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hooks should be a question. --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mean to insert an ellipsis into the sentence. ALT: ... that Arya Samaj spearheaded the late 19th century cow protection movement, Hindu opposition to cow sacrifice, leading to violent riots spreading all across India and the the deaths of 107 people? Art LaPella (talk) 00:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Great. 197 characters now. Thanks. Docku:“what up?” 00:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Jasper Goodwill, later a mayor in Louisiana, was given the middle initial "K" by the Army during World War I as a way to enhance identification of the soldiers?--self-nomBilly Hathorn (talk) 21:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Why would the U.S. Army care about identifying small-town mayors in Louisiana during World War I? Was Louisiana one of the Central Powers? Of course not. But this hook is rather misleading. --74.13.125.9 (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

This one was hard to find a hook. The Army required doughboys to have a middle initial as a minimum for identification. I tried to rewrite it.Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that John Harber Phillips, who defended Lindy Chamberlain on a charge of murdering her baby Azaria, later became Victoria's first Director of Public Prosecutions and subsequently the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? -- new article by Assize (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 02:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that John Harber Phillips, the legal counsel who defended Lindy Chamberlain on a charge of murdering her baby Azaria, later became the first Director of Public Prosecutions in Victoria, Australia? --PFHLai (talk) 02:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
ALT:... that John Harber Phillips, the legal counsel who defended Lindy Chamberlain on a charge of murdering her baby Azaria, later became the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia? --PFHLai (talk) 02:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 5

... that before Charles Aitken (1869–1936) installed electric lighting, the Tate gallery (pictured) was cleared of visitors on dark and foggy days? -- new article by User:Jack1956; Nom by Ty 07:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Chicago Bulls and Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf is a C.P.A. and lawyer whose first job assignment was the delinquency of then-White Sox owner Bill Veeck?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Currently, only 3.8x. Hope to get to 5x by the end of the week.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
  - Now at 4.7x.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
    - Now over 5x.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Leonard Harrison helped cut lumber in the Pine Creek Gorge in the late 1800s, then donated Leonard Harrison State Park (pictured) in the gorge to Pennsylvania in 1922? New article by Dincher and Ruhrfisch, self-nom by Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC) (About 1/3 of the article is originally from the Leonard Harrison State Park article, which Dincher is the main contributor to).

... that the Oregon State Bar was the first bar association in the U.S. to provide complete access to all attorney records it keeps, but only after a lawsuit? (self) Aboutmovies (talk) 07:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that architect Sidney Eisenshtat designed a futuristic synagogue called The House of the Book that was later a filming location for Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country?-- new article self-nom by Arxiloxos (talk) 05:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Adriatic LNG terminal is the world's first offshore liquid natural gas terminal? -- new article self-nom by --Patrick (talk) 01:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Date, size and reference are fine. Kablammo (talk) 11:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Campaign poster for Apirak Kosayothin in the 2008 Bangkok gubernatorial election

... that pedestrians have been injured by falling campaign posters (example pictured) in the 2008 Bangkok gubernatorial election? -- new article self-nom by Paul_012 ^(talk) 21:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the 2008 Bangkok gubernatorial election campaign (poster pictured) saw candidates bathing in a canal and punching a journalist? -- new article self-nom by Paul_012 ^(talk) 21:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
... that Apirak Kosayothin won the 2008 Bangkok gubernatorial election, becoming the second governor to be re-elected after Chamlong Srimuang, who was arrested at a polling station on the election day? -- new article self-nom by Paul_012 ^(talk) 21:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC), reworded 17:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The second one is the best I think. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 07:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The second hook is truly hilarious. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that, as a teenager, American Civil War Confederate brigadier general Richard Waterhouse ran away from home to fight in the Mexican–American War? new article by AdjustShift (talk) 13:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Eduardo Galeano's 1978 revolutionary chronicle Days and Nights of Love and War inspired anarchist collective CrimethInc. to write their manifesto Days of War, Nights of Love 22 years later? Self-nom by the skomorokh 00:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that art historian George Kubler declared the "Wrestler", an ancient Olmec statuette, "among the great works of sculpture of all ages"? Self-nom, Madman (talk) 02:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that based on comparison with historical Native American rituals, the ancient Olmec statuette "the Wrestler", despite its current name, may actually depict a shaman instead of a wrestler? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 15:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I feel that the "among the great works of sculpture of all ages" is more striking and meaningful to more people. Moreover, Kubler is more notable than the fellow who argued it was a shaman. Madman (talk) 18:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Zionist Socialist Workers Party broke with the World Zionist Organization, after the 1905 WZO congress had rejected the proposal to resettle Jews in East Africa? (self-nom) --Soman (talk) 22:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified; offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

all books available on google books. --Soman (talk) 09:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that two companies with the name Oregon Central Railroad both claimed the same federal land grants? self-nom --NE2 20:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Captain William Mounsey, in command of the much smaller HMS Bonne Citoyenne, captured a frigate (pictured) and later commanded her as HMS Furieuse? - new articles, self noms, Benea (talk) 19:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Tropical Storm Karina was the shortest-lived storm in the 2008 Pacific hurricane season? Self-nomination Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- The season is ongoing; it's still possible for another storm to achieve greater brevity. Could you change the wording of the hook the reflect that? –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 18:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Nathan Hale is the main protagonist as well as the player character of Resistance: Fall of Man and Resistance 2? -- (self nom) Poxnar (talk) 16:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

National Debt Clock

... that the National Debt Clock (pictured) in Manhattan ran out of digits on 30 September 2008, when the United States public debt passed the $10 trillion mark? --(self nom)Everyme 15:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and fact referencing verified. Nice hook fact, it caught my attention. Jamie^☆S93 21:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Tang Dynasty chancellor Chang Gun was demoted over Emperor Dezong's erroneous belief that he had falsified signatures from his colleagues Guo Ziyi and Zhu Ci? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 15:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Kang Hye-jeong made her feature film debut in Nabi, and won Best Actress at the Puchon International Fantastic Film Festival? -- self nom, PC78 (talk) 13:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the MSSR rifle was created by the Philippine Marine Corps Scout Snipers from the M16 rifle due to budget problems and the lack of a dedicated sniper rifle? - Self-nominated Ominae (talk) 08:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Arthur Wimperis, after a long career as a songwriter and librettist for British musical comedies, became an Academy Award-winning screenwriter in Hollywood? (self nom) -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

His Times obit notes that his ship was torpedoed on the way to the US, perhaps add "surviving a torpedo attack on the way" to the end of the hook? (Should still be inside the character limit). David Underdown (talk) 12:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It's OK with me, although it might be too complex for a hook. I'll leave it to the DYK hook experts. Feel free to add or not! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Welsh inventor Edwin Stevens devised the world's first wearable electronic hearing aid? new/self-nom by Bencherlite ^Talk 06:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that an oil painting by Ryūsei Kishida was auctioned for 7.731 billion yen, the highest price ever achieved for a Japanese painting in December 2000? (self-nom) --MChew (talk) 06:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the 6th-century Archangel ivory (pictured), depicting the archangel Michael holding a sceptre and imperial orb, is the largest surviving Byzantine ivory carving? (self-nom) --Delirium (talk) 04:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Length and date verified; offline reference accepted on good faith. Biruitorul ^Talk 22:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Tang Dynasty official Yang Wan declined a customary stipend as a senior official of his rank and distributed the stipend to his colleagues? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 02:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the manga Black God was created by a Korean manhwa team, all of them not knowing the Japanese language? - Self-nom Ominae (talk) 01:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- ~~The manga title needs to be italicized, per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(titles)#Italics. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC)~~
  - ~~Whoops! My bad! Ominae (talk) 04:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)~~

... that Norwegian piano manufacturer Karl Hals was also active in politics for the Conservative Party? -- self-nom by Punkmorten (talk) 19:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified; foreign-language hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Orson Welles took the role of Hastler in his 1962 film The Trial after comic actor Jackie Gleason turned down the part? (5x expansion, from the original 1,082-character article to the new 6,654-character rewrite, self-nom). Ecoleetage (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and fact referencing verified. Jamie^☆S93 21:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Jack Montgomery, a Louisiana state senator from 1968 to 1972, was preceded and succeeded in the post by Harold Montgomery, and they were unrelated?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the CBS sitcom The New Loretta Young Show (1962–1963) featured Loretta Young as a free-lance writer in Connecticut and the widowed mother of seven children?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

OR

... that the 1962—1963 CBS sitcom The New Loretta Young Show introduced audiences to later stars Dack Rambo and Ted Knight?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I prefer this one. The first one is akin to "Late Night with David Letterman featured David Letterman, a married man. The second one is good. Chergles (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that unlike other Dutch Colonial stone houses in the Hudson Valley, the Wynkoop House (pictured) has no stone with the builder's initials? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 06:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
... that Australian politican Charlie Lynn held the New South Wales 24-hour Ultra Marathon record in 1985 and 1986? Assize (talk) 11:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on October 4

... that the marked difference in appearance between juveniles and adults of Novaculichthys taeniourus (pictured) is so significant that they are referred to by different names? new article by user:mbz1 and user:Wsiegmund self-nom by Mbz1 (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that juvenile and adult Novaculichthys taeniourus (pictured) are so different in appearance they have different common names? Walter Siegmund (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... ~~that more than a third of the foreign population of the Swiss city of Berne reside in the Bümpliz-Oberbottigen district?~~ -- new article by Sandstein (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 02:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK? - took my a while to work out what the hook meant but surely if the district is large (or if there are only 3 foreigners) then this is not remarkable? Victuallers (talk) 09:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

ALT:... that the lowest apartment rents in the Swiss city of Berne can be found in the western district of Bümpliz-Oberbottigen? -- new article by Sandstein (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Niederbottigen

or alternate: ... that Bümpliz-Oberbottigen, a district of Berne, Switzerland, contains rural hamlets (pictured), Baroque estates and modernist highrise satellite towns? — Thanks, PFHLai! Sandstein 21:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Julie Couillard's tell-all memoir My Story, which reveals confidential opinions that Maxime Bernier shared with Couillard, was released eight days before the Canadian federal election in which Bernier is seeking re-election? -- new article by maclean 20:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Poll stations for Bernier's re-election open next Tuesday. Eight days before that was just two days ago. This book is already notable enough to get an article? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Notable? Yes, it has been getting lots of press coverage and book reviews in all the national (and many local) newspapers and even an excerpt in the National Post. Google News --maclean 06:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

... that presenters Jay Burridge and Mark Speight created all of the art projects for the children's television show SMart? Created as tiny stub by How do you turn this on, expanded hours later by me. Gran² 15:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that in 1793, Admiral John Gell (pictured) captured a Spanish ship that contained two million dollars and goods worth over 200,000 pounds? self nom Victuallers (talk) 15:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

"packages" sounds odd - "goods" or "cargo"? Johnbod (talk) 01:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC) ok changed Victuallers (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Art Building (pictured) is the third oldest building at Willamette University in Salem, Oregon, but has been on campus longer than all but one other building? (self) Aboutmovies (talk) 06:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that One Night the Moon, a 2001 Australian film depicting the search for a missing child, starring singer-songwriter Paul Kelly, his then wife Kaarin Fairfax and their daughter Memphis Kelly, was inspired by indigenous police tracker Alex Riley's work in the 1930s?--self-nom, --Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

265 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 04:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that One Night the Moon, a 2001 Australian film on a missing child, starring singer Paul Kelly, his wife Kaarin Fairfax and daughter Memphis, was inspired by a 1930s indigenous tracker Alex Riley?--trimmed back, --Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that after Captain George Blagdon Westcott (pictured) was killed at the Battle of the Nile, Horatio Nelson gave his own medal from the battle to Westcott's family? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 21:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Date and size are good; offline reference accepted on good faith and fact independently confirmed in Knight, The Pursuit of Victory, p. 676. Kablammo (talk) 21:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

... that British National (Overseas) was a British nationality specially created for British Dependent Territories citizens of Hong Kong in 1985? -- Self-nom, --Clithering (talk) 21:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

All checks out; in-depth article converted from a redirect. The inline external links to the 1985 act and the 1986 order should be converted to footnotes. Kablammo (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Cubbon Park, also called Sri. Chamarajendra Park, in Bangalore has indigenous and exotic botanical species of 68 genera and 96 species with about 6000 plants/trees?--Nvvchar (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

A couple of problems, I get a 4X expansion (using User:Dr pda/prosesize.js), 1645 to 6609 = 4X. And the hook is not specifically cited within the article, the closest citation (#3) takes you here which has no specifics about the hook. --Captain-tucker (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I have added some photos. I counted on the basis of all the text and photos which comes to 10517 bites (more than five times the original text). I was not aware of the formula that you have referred. As regards the Park, it has to be viewed as a complex(may be a change in the heading of the article into 'Cubbon Park complex' instead of Cubbon Park}as it is very well known for its Park as also for the monuments and bulidings located within it.If the criteria of length permits, kindly suggest a suitable revised hook which I can post. I will be thankful.--Nvvchar (talk) 04:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

#Instructions specifies that the main body text portion of the article (prose), not all of the text and photos, should expand 5 times. Thus adding photos doesn't change the prose portion length of 6609, and it's still 4X. Prosesize.js is a tool for automating all the things we exclude from the article to get the prose portion (see #Instructions and "Unwritten" Rule A2). If you could add 1616 characters of prose (not photos), that objection would be satisfied.

Captain-tucker also noted "the hook is not specifically cited ... ". Wikipedia:Did you know#Selection criteria says: "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." Thus the fact that the park is a complex doesn't address this objection, and revising the hook wouldn't address that objection either. What would address that objection is to find a source that verifies there are 68 genera, 96 species and about 6000 plants/trees, and to add a citation for that source to the article, right after the first sentence of Cubbon Park#Botanical assets. Art LaPella (talk) 06:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The authoriy quoted for the botancial statistics at number 3 of references is the Government of Karnataka organization called the "Horticulture Department" which is the authority in Karnataka on all Horticulture and is in charge of the Gardens in the state and the Cubbon Park is one of them. The web site under the heading Gardens provides the details of the Cubbon Park. I can't cite a better authentic source than this. But the main problem is of length. I don't have any text at present (unless I add superfluous stuff to the text of paras already added) to expand it by another 1616 bites. I will have to wait. Thanks for all the clarifications on the rules of DYK.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe the citation objection would be overcome by adding instructions in the reference to click "Gardens" and then "Cubbon Park" (I couldn't make a direct link work), rather than making people look for it. Also, it should be linked from the article's supporting sentence, not from the next sentence. As for waiting, you probably know that the article will no longer qualify as new in five days or so. Art LaPella (talk) 17:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the suggestions. I have added more text and I hope it satisfies the length criteria. I have also made changes in the reference at 3 related to the Horticulture Departmentas as "Garden Cubbon Park". A modified hook with an image is now introduced below.

... that Cubbon Park has indigenous and exotic botanical species of 68 genera and 96 species with about 6000 plants/trees and is also called Sri.Chamarajendra Park? --Nvvchar (talk) 07:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that anyone who has loaned or borrowed money has participated in the loanable funds market, a hypothetical market that brings savers and borrowers together? Gary King (talk) 17:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bit concerned that the article appears to draw only on one source, and with under 5,000 Google hits most of the links out there also seem to point to the same source. I've heard the term loanable funds used, but never loanable funds market, probably because as you say it is a "theoretical market" and not a real one, whereas my firm deals with systems for making and assessing trades in the real markets. Guy (Help!) 21:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What do you think of moving it to Loanable funds? Gary King (talk) 03:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I have moved the article. Gary King (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Tang Dynasty chancellor Du Hongjian, immediately prior to his death, undertook tonsure and formally became a Buddhist monk? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 16:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

... that according to a survey by the Reader's Digest the Royal New Zealand Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is New Zealand's second most trusted charity? — expansion and self-nom by ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 15:45, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Manasbal Lake, with the sobriquet 'the supreme gem of all Kashmir Lakes', is the deepest lake in the Kashmir valley?--Nvvchar (talk) 15:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I get broken links for both cited footnotes, 2 and 3. Please check urls. Kablammo (talk) 21:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, You are right. One of the cited foot note has been moved and I am not able to locate it. Two addtional hooks have been added. The earlier reference 2, now referenced at 3 has been corrected as there was a spelling error. This reference is of the International Lake Environment Committee (ILEC) of Japan, one of the best known institutions in the world on issues concerning lakes. I hope the correccted version is in order.--Nvvchar (talk) 03:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Date, size, hook and source confirmed. (Footnotes should go after punctuation.) Kablammo (talk) 12:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I have noted the observaton. I have made changes.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Owen Thomas (pictured), managing editor of New York City-based gossip and news blog Valleywag, writes most of the website's articles? Gary King (talk) 06:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

... that there are 33 stations on the SkyTrain, and 24 of them are located in Burnaby and Vancouver? self-nom. -- K. Annoyomous 24_[c] 05:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The article's prose is significantly less in size than before, and much of the article now consists of a list. While cleaned up and improved, the list does not meet DYK requirements. Kablammo (talk) 13:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

May you just tell me why the article is completely ineligible? I think this DYK nom shouldn't get a delete vote automatically. I could still fix the article and try to make this DYK nom successful. -- K. Annoyomous 24_[c] 19:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

You would have to have a five-fold expansion of the prose section of the article, and the character count in the list section would be excluded. Your revisions have actually reduced the prose section in size, from over 15,500 characters to less than 900 characters in the non-list part of the article. Formerly the article was a list "trying to do more"; you have recast it as a well-formatted list with a brief introduction. While that may be a useful improvement, the DYK rules are based on a five-fold expansion of prose, as shown in the rules further up this page.

It is unlikely you could expand the prose section of this list to over 79,000 characters, which would be required for a five-fold expansion from the former text.

Other eyes are welcome on this one. Kablammo (talk) 20:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know, all of the sections about the stations were direct copies from the articles itself. I will try to make the prose more than 1500 characters if possible. -- K. Annoyomous 24_[c] 20:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The main page says "Did you know... From Wikipedia's newest articles:". The #Instructions elaborate on this: the article must be either completely new, or expanded fivefold. The prose portion of the rewritten article is shorter than before, not 5 times larger, and rewritten isn't what we mean by new. 1500 characters would be nowhere near 5 times. If "direct copies" means the previous text doesn't count due to copyright problems, please see "Unwritten" Rule A3. Art LaPella (talk) 20:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So I guess there is no way that this nomination would be accepted. O wells, thanks for both of your times. -- K. Annoyomous 24_[c] 20:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz (pictured) studied economics at Harvard University for two years before moving to Palo Alto, California to work on Facebook full-time? Gary King (talk) 05:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

... that as governor of the Gaza Strip, Yitzhak Pundak planned to relocate the Palestinian refugees there to a new city in the Sinai Peninsula, but met with opposition from Ariel Sharon? (self-nom) -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 05:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
- Governor is generally understood as a civil political position. Pundak was the commander in a military occupation. That is a distinction that needs to be clarified in the hook. --Soman (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
  - ... that as military governor of the Gaza Strip, Yitzhak Pundak planned to relocate the Palestinian refugees there to a new city in the Sinai Peninsula, but met with opposition from Ariel Sharon? -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
    - I'd word it "... that as Israeli military governor of the Gaza Strip, Yitzhak Pundak planned to relocate the Palestinian refugees there to a new city in the Sinai Peninsula, but met with opposition from Ariel Sharon?", to differentiate later Palestinian governors of Gaza. --Soman (talk) 11:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Tam Spiva, though from a family of small-town newspaper publishers, wrote television scripts, for such series as The Brady Bunch and Gentle Ben?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Clarence D. Wiley's 40-year career in Louisiana politics, ended only by his sudden death in 1976, typifies persistence and longevity in public life?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

OR

... that Clarence D. Wiley, already a 40-year public official in Louisiana, was to have joined his parish governing council when he died in 1976 of a sudden stroke?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 3

... that Baltic Finns are considered to be among the early indigenous inhabitants of Europe according to the Settlement Continuity Theory? --Termer (talk) 06:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)--self nom

Length, creation date and ref (from Lewis book) verified. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the Old McKenzie Fish Hatchery raised trout and salmon for release into the McKenzie River in westen Oregon from 1907 until 1953? --Orygun (talk) 01:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The sign linked in footnote 1 does not mention salmon; is it mentioned in another source? Kablammo (talk) 22:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

... that Hulk Hogan lost the WWF Championship at King of the Ring 1993 after a ringside photographer's camera exploded in Hogan's face? -- new article self-nom by GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Length and creation date fine; hook is correctly referenced. Eye-catching hook! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the emigrated German Jewish lawyer and politician Herbert Weichmann returned to Germany in 1948, to become mayor of Hamburg in 1965? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Sebastian scha. (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Note: most offline German sources. I'm sorry, but it's hard to find something before www. Oh, and please correct my grammar, punctuation and spelling mistakes ,-) Thank you. Greetings Sebastian scha. (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

At the moment there's no direct citation for the Mayor of Hamburg fact, although I presume it is covered by ref [2] (the Tilgner book). I'll do a quick copyedit shortly. Alternatively, we could go for a hook which describes the medallion, which is also quite interesting. Length and date are fine. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the a medallion awarded by the city of Hamburg is named for the Jewish First Mayor Herbert Weichmann, honoring "those—both Jewish and non-Jewish—who have contributed to Jewish life in Germany". -- Alternative and thanks for the ce. Sebastian scha. (talk) 13:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

... that the constitution of Cyprus broke down in 1963 when Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government? --self-nom Anonymous101 (talk) 15:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, creation date and ref verified. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)