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*...that the '''[[Waterford Covered Bridge]]''' (''pictured''), in [[Erie County, Pennsylvania]], was damaged twice when oversized and overweight [[box truck]]s attempted to cross it? -- self-nom by [[User:Dtbohrer|​​<font size="4" face="Rage Italic" color="darkgreen">​​D.B.]]</font><sup>[[User_talk:Dtbohrer|<font color="darkgreen" face="Viner Hand ITC">talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Dtbohrer|<font color="darkgreen" face="Viner Hand ITC">contribs]]</font></sup> 03:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
*...that the '''[[Waterford Covered Bridge]]''' (''pictured''), in [[Erie County, Pennsylvania]], was damaged twice when oversized and overweight [[box truck]]s attempted to cross it? -- self-nom by [[User:Dtbohrer|​​<font size="4" face="Rage Italic" color="darkgreen">​​D.B.]]</font><sup>[[User_talk:Dtbohrer|<font color="darkgreen" face="Viner Hand ITC">talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Dtbohrer|<font color="darkgreen" face="Viner Hand ITC">contribs]]</font></sup> 03:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
*... that the '''[[Merck headquarters]]''' campus is home to the largest [[Solar energy|solar power system]] east of the [[Mississippi River]]? -- new article self-nom by '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 02:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
*... that the '''[[Merck headquarters]]''' campus is home to the largest [[Solar energy|solar power system]] east of the [[Mississippi River]]? -- new article self-nom by '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 02:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Map_of_Great_Barrier_Reef_Demis.png|100x100px|right|The Great Barrier Reef]]
*...The [[Great Barrier Reef]] can be seen from [[outer space]] and is the world's biggest single structure made by living [[organism|organisms]].--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 05:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
*...The [[Great Barrier Reef]] can be seen from [[outer space]] and is the world's biggest single structure made by living [[organism|organisms]].--[[User:theoneintraining|<font color="grey">intraining</font>]] [[User talk:Theoneintraining|<font color="red"><sup>Jack In</sup></font>]] 05:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)



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Jonathan Stoklosa (left) with Joe Biden
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Articles created/expanded on October 12

Waterford Covered Bridge
Waterford Covered Bridge
The Great Barrier Reef
The Great Barrier Reef

Articles created/expanded on October 11

  • ... that Kodaikanal Lake, developed in 1863, amidst the Kodaikanal town was developed by the British and early missionaries from the USA? --Nvvchar (talk) 01:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that George Gordon Byron drew up a will leaving Nicolò Giraud, his young companion while in Greece, 7,000 pounds sterling but later changed his mind? expanded five times, self-nom, any problems contact me. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the English language of Selim Aga, a former slave from Sudan, was so faultless that his book was believed to be fabricated by a Briton? - nearly self-nom (rewrite of a copypaste) NVO (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Masdevallia veitichiana
Masdevallia veitichiana
NSU Quickly
NSU Quickly
  • I've seen them before on the main page. I know it doesn't say anything, but it's supposed to entice readers to come to the article to find out the answer. editorofthewiki 03:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mayor Royce Pollard
Mayor Royce Pollard
  • In the previous two hooks, the following references support restoring my commas after the states Michigan and Washington: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. Art LaPella (talk) 00:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you're nitpicking. None of our readers are going to protest if there's no comma, and it looks like overuse (a very common grammatical error) to me. Steven Walling (talk) 01:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • We're both nitpicking, but for what it's worth, commas are indeed protested (or at least reported) at WP:ERRORS, and I didn't find any websites that support your opinion. Art LaPella (talk) 02:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 10

alt. hook:
  • ... that the Alice Springs Reptile Centre, which has the largest collection of reptiles in Northern Territory, has twice had their animals attacked and killed by humans?
  • ... that Dipor Bil reportedly provides its natural resources for the livelihood of fourteen indigenous villages (1,200 families) located in its wetland ecosystem in Assam? --Nvvchar (talk) 03:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that The New York Times moved in 1858 to a building at 41 Park Row, making it the first newspaper in New York City housed in a building built specifically for its use? new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 19:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Ruffed Lemurs (pictured) are the only known primates to build nests, used exclusively for birth and for the first week or two of life? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Visionholder (talk) 16:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note - Sorry for the duplicate DYK for Ruffed Lemur, but I had been planning this DYK for weeks, but my Internet connection died for 7 hours immediately after I posted the re-write, and my good friend Rlendog beat me here. - Visionholder (talk) 16:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted the duplicate.Rlendog (talk) 02:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted, as the author prefers a different hook.Rlendog (talk) 02:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Chagrin Falls Popcorn Shop was featured in "The Essential Calvin and Hobbes," showing a Godzilla-sized Calvin carrying off the entire building? (new article, self-nom) ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C) 05:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've removed the image; Non-free images are not allowed here. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
USS Nevada (BB-36)
USS Nevada (BB-36)
  • ... that the [[]]s from the battleship USS Arizona (BB-39) were installed aboard the battleship USS Nevada (BB-36) and fired against the Japanese in 1945? (new article, dual nom with User:the ed17) TomStar81 (Talk) 05:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Alternate? "... that the three 14"/45 caliber guns that were originally in the USS Arizona (BB-39)'s turret 2 were removed and installed aboard the battleship USS Nevada (BB-36) and used in action against the Japanese in 1945? —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 00:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • A second thought. It isn't in the article, but the source says "It is often stated that USS Arizona (BB-39) never fired her guns in anger [...] These guns [that were installed on the Nevada] were then used for shore bombardments during the 1945 Pacific campaigns, so it may be technically said that Arizona's guns were fired in anger after all." If that was incorperated into the article, there could be a hook like "... that the popular statement that USS Arizona (BB-39) never fired her guns in anger" is a myth?" Nice cliffhanger, IMHO...will get people to go to the article.... —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 00:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 9

File:Nabi Samwil early 1900s.jpg
I guess you mean this Samuel? Manxruler (talk) 02:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, that's him. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Execution of Michał Kruk, Przemyśl, 1943
Execution of Michał Kruk, Przemyśl, 1943
Portrait of Isaac Massa by Franz Hals, 1626
Portrait of Isaac Massa by Franz Hals, 1626
  • .. that the first European map of the Siberian Arctic coast was obtained and published by Dutchman Isaac Massa (portrait pictured)? new, self-nom NVO (talk) 23:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Altar centre-piece, Solna Church
Altar centre-piece, Solna Church
  • ... that Solna Church (altar pictured), a round church in Stockholm from the late 12th century, was originally built for defense purposes? --self-nom. Oceanh (talk) 22:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]
  • ... that Bruce Voeller coined the term for the acronym AIDS? Self nom. -- how do you turn this on 22:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • No inline cites. ~one of many editorofthewikis (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 22:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ed, it's fully referenced. Why do I need inline cites? -- how do you turn this on 22:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • The rule at Wikipedia:Did you know#Selection criteria number 3 requires inline cites and gives a brief explanation, and that rule represents a strong consensus. Also, I would substitute the redundant "the term for the acronym" with either "the term" or "the acronym". Art LaPella (talk) 03:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Done then (not the hook, the cites). The hook is quite accurate as it is. -- how do you turn this on 13:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • I think the comment wasn't about the accuracy, rather that the expression was tautologous: for example, what extra meaning is conveyed in the phrase "coined the term for the acronym" that is not in "coined the acronym"? Regards, — BillC talk 02:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • He didn't coin the acronym, he coined the phrase. -- how do you turn this on 14:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                • Then 2 of us have misinterpreted the hook. So I suggest "coined the term whose acronym is AIDS". (The alternative "coined the term 'acquired immune deficiency syndrome'" could lead to the question of how the phrase was capitalized when he coined it.) Art LaPella (talk) 18:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please embolden the new/expanded article. Thanks. -- how do you turn this on 19:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done :) Thanks, Vishnava talk 19:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that after being rejected from HaShomer, a Jewish defense organization in Ottoman Palestine, Yosef Lishansky (pictured) founded a rival group called HaMagen, operating in the south of the country? (self-nom) -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Church of St Demetrius of Thessaloniki, Veliko Tarnovo
Church of St Demetrius of Thessaloniki, Veliko Tarnovo
  • Relations between whom? Suggest rewording: "Germany helped India establish IIT Madras ..." – Otherwise, date, length and references OK.  Sandstein  10:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 8

User:Gary King


  • ... that after his son was murdered during an university study abroad program in 2004, American entrepreneur Tom Petters, himself a college dropout, formed the John T. Petters Foundation to provide endowments that would benefit future students at several universities? -- new article by User:TedSaidMed and Bobak (talk) 23:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • TWEAK (now 199): that after his son was murdered during a study abroad program, American entrepreneur Tom Petters formed a foundation to provide endowments that would benefit future students at several universities? -- Bobak (talk) 15:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that footballer Peter Stringfellow suffered a dramatic decline in form, which ultimately ended his professional career, after being involved in a car crash in which a team-mate died? -- new article self-nom by ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
File:The First of May.jpg
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 216 character hook. ... that Zac Brown Band's single "Chicken Fried" was previously released by The Lost Trailers, whose version was withdrawn after Zac Brown changed his mind about licensing the song to that record label? is 198 characters. Thingg 04:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note This will be the 50th DYK for an article I've created/expanded. Current total is 48 created/expanded + 2 nominated. Mjroots (talk) 10:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image for Filipino proverbs, Damiana Eugenio, Philippine Folklore hook
Image for Filipino proverbs, Damiana Eugenio, Philippine Folklore hook
  • ... that Filipino proverbs were grouped into six categories by Damiana Eugenio, a professor and author known as the Mother of Philippine Folklore (sample myth pictured)? – self-nom/article created from a simple list, hook count at 127 characters (no spaces) / 150 (with spaces), article’s character count at 2,084 (no spaces) / 2,472 (with spaces) - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Above suggested hook is now a double selfnom because I also created an article about Damiana Eugenio in addition to the Filipino proverbs article; current hook above now linked to this newly created article (and now bolded too) which has 1,886 characters (no spaces) / 2,331 (with spaces). Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When is election day? November? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 21:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
November 4. At least this isn't the Main Page. Art LaPella (talk) 21:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if we should wait till November 4. Too long a wait, IMO. --74.13.125.9 (talk) 04:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OR
Houses on Garfield Place
Houses on Garfield Place

Articles created/expanded on October 7

Expansion started on 7 October, from around 7kB to almost 40kB. JonCatalán(Talk) 15:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Renaissance woodcuts by Hans Wechtlin (example pictured) cover both the chivalric ideal of war and graphic details of war wounds? self-nom by Johnbod (talk) 01:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date, article length and hook length verified. Hook is almost ok, except that the year 1956 is not mentioned in the article (but the year is in the reference). The rest of the hook is supported in the article, as well as in the ref. Oceanh (talk) 23:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Speaker iconMarguerite Sylva in 1910

I like the first hook, but would shorten it to: "*... that Marguerite Sylva modestly told W. S. Gilbert, at her sister's audition, that she "sang a little" and, after demonstrating, was offered a part? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That works quite well. Of course, we'd need to mention the recording or picture in some form, if they're used. Of course, this is only part of a rather fascinating anecdote, but, hey, that's why we're linking to the article. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Dick Trickle, billed as the winningest short track driver in history, won his first race outside of his home region at the 1966 National Short Track Championships at Rockford Speedway? - self nom by Royalbroil 14:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC) There are free use pictures available if helpful.[reply]
In my opinion, ALT2 adds words with giving little additional "hooky"-ness. Technically the track is not in Rockford, but in the suburb Loves Park. I strongly prefer the Dick Trickle version because he is a short track legend with probably the greatest number of race feature wins of anyone in the world. Hosting the first win outside of the home region for a legendary figure is an impressive first. It shows how important the track was at that time with someone of that stature driving a relatively long distance to compete there. It's been elusive to cite Trickle's number of wins since there are no concrete records from the time, so it is disputed. People are working on figuring out an exact total. Royalbroil 18:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, "the Rockford, Illinois" should either be "Rockford, Illinois" or "the Rockford, Illinois area". Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Main Page is protected!
Is there a svg version of the suggested pic that is not so grainy at 100x100px? --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It looked fine at 68px (see now) - I'll try and ask on Commons, and see if someone can convert it to SVG. I can't find a version at present. fish&karate 07:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whose self-nom is this? --74.13.125.9 (talk) 21:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is "renowned" really the operative word? How about "... that in Saskatchewan, Oban was known for having the last Interlocking tower at the CNR and CPR level crossing, until it was closed in 1990?" Wetman (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you...that works!SriMesh | talk 00:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, reference and history verified. Can we find a picture of one of these cups? This sounds interesting. Daniel Case (talk) 06:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Jackie Robinson
Jackie Robinson
  • ... that on Jackie Robinson Day of 2007, more than 200 baseball players wore number 42 in honor of the 60th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's (pictured) major league debut? Self-nom. Very special day for Major League Baseball, and would probably get a lot of views if it was on the Main Page along with the image. – RyanCross (talk) 08:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Are you aware that the image is non-free? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, nope, I just noticed that. Thanks, BorgQueen. – RyanCross (talk) 13:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So removed. --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Images removed; length, date and hook verified. Again, good work! PeterSymonds (talk) 23:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I've added a new (free) image of Jackie Robinson. Please make sure I can use that picture instead. Yours, – RyanCross (talk) 01:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that a number of babies were rescued alive and safe from the collapsed Juárez Hospital during the 1985 Mexico City earthquake? ---I think it should the criteria for expansion... I did a really SERIOUS rewrite Thelmadatter (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 6912 to 26K is a very serious rewrite, although our criterion is fivefold expansion. That's why most Did You Know articles are new, or expansions of stubs. Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
or

...by Ugajin (talk · contribs) - nom Casliber (talk · contribs)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on October 6

  • ... that the British late night comedy satire TV show Up Sunday was described by one of the cast members as "aimed at dirty minded insomniacs"? -- new article by User:Bingo99; nom by Bruce1eetalk 14:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the SS Schenectady , an oil tanker, broke almost in two whilst sitting at the dock in calm weather, before even having entered service? (selfnom, pictured) Shimgray | talk | 19:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
King's Mill
King's Mill


This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Date and reference confirmed, but article too short at slightly under 1000 characters. Please identify the author of an article when nominating another's work. Kablammo (talk) 20:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been expanded past 100 characters. The article was created by me and User:Aroundtheglobe    Juthani1   tcs 20:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues the expansion is sufficient, but the refs are to the subject's own work & web page, rather than to third-party sources as required. Bob (QaBob) 22:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about this new hook:
The hook is verified by a journal publication. --Jiuguang (talk) 16:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Attached to "Palace of Lausus" hook
Attached to "Palace of Lausus" hook
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 218 character hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about: ... that the 5th century Palace of Lausus in Constantinople housed a vast collection of classical statues, including that of Zeus from Olympia (pictured), one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World? Constantine 16:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Ref #3 confirms the hook, created October 6 and 5234 characters. However, I'm not entirely comfortable with a .com reference on the main page and I can't think of a way to word the hook to avoid it, anyone else have an opinion on this? ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) (talk) 12:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's an interesting hook IMHO. I don't think rewording is possible for a subject such as this. Would there be a reason not to feature a .com reference on the main page? Zithan (talk) 05:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like what looks like spam on the main page. PR Newswire is not a reliable source, and "no employees" is a matter of interpretation - the article says no direct employees, but that lots of people work for them. So spam, no reliable source, and prevarication - 3 strikes and you're out (IMHO). Smallbones (talk) 00:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that despite being of common birth, the marriage of Falkes de Breauté made him ‘the equal of an earl’? Expanded article from 1508 chars to 9231 chars; that's what I call progress. Ironholds 04:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article is not well-referenced enough - I commend you for your expansion efforts, but this article is not sourced to enough inline citations; one primary reference is not adequate for an article of this length. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article has moere than one source, and it passes the criteria. the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review) 22:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 255 character hook, or longer after correcting "Cow protection movement ... happened ... " to "... the cow protection movement ... that happened ... ". Art LaPella (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hooks should be a question. --74.14.18.96 (talk) 00:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't mean to insert an ellipsis into the sentence. ALT: ... that Arya Samaj spearheaded the late 19th century cow protection movement, Hindu opposition to cow sacrifice, leading to violent riots spreading all across India and the the deaths of 107 people? Art LaPella (talk) 00:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great. 197 characters now. Thanks. Docku:“what up?” 00:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why would the U.S. Army care about identifying small-town mayors in Louisiana during World War I? Was Louisiana one of the Central Powers? Of course not. But this hook is rather misleading. --74.13.125.9 (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This one was hard to find a hook. The Army required doughboys to have a middle initial as a minimum for identification. I tried to rewrite it.Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 5

  • His Times obit notes that his ship was torpedoed on the way to the US, perhaps add "surviving a torpedo attack on the way" to the end of the hook? (Should still be inside the character limit). David Underdown (talk) 12:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's OK with me, although it might be too complex for a hook. I'll leave it to the DYK hook experts. Feel free to add or not! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Tang Dynasty official Yang Wan declined a customary stipend as a senior official of his rank and distributed the stipend to his colleagues? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 02:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OR
I prefer this one. The first one is akin to "Late Night with David Letterman featured David Letterman, a married man. The second one is good. Chergles (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 4

This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The article needs to be clearer about the last part of the hook. I can't find it explicitly ... is this something I'm supposed to deduce from other information? Clarify. Daniel Case (talk) 03:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The older buildings are Waller and Gatke halls. Gatke was moved to campus after this building, which is mentioned/cited in the second paragraph of the history section. Its more of a teaser hook. Would you like it explained in the article? Aboutmovies (talk) 08:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added a bit to the article under "Details" that explains the age item. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Cubbon Park, also called Sri. Chamarajendra Park, in Bangalore has indigenous and exotic botanical species of 68 genera and 96 species with about 6000 plants/trees?--Nvvchar (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues A couple of problems, I get a 4X expansion (using User:Dr pda/prosesize.js), 1645 to 6609 = 4X. And the hook is not specifically cited within the article, the closest citation (#3) takes you here which has no specifics about the hook. --Captain-tucker (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have added some photos. I counted on the basis of all the text and photos which comes to 10517 bites (more than five times the original text). I was not aware of the formula that you have referred. As regards the Park, it has to be viewed as a complex(may be a change in the heading of the article into 'Cubbon Park complex' instead of Cubbon Park}as it is very well known for its Park as also for the monuments and bulidings located within it.If the criteria of length permits, kindly suggest a suitable revised hook which I can post. I will be thankful.--Nvvchar (talk) 04:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
#Instructions specifies that the main body text portion of the article (prose), not all of the text and photos, should expand 5 times. Thus adding photos doesn't change the prose portion length of 6609, and it's still 4X. Prosesize.js is a tool for automating all the things we exclude from the article to get the prose portion (see #Instructions and "Unwritten" Rule A2). If you could add 1616 characters of prose (not photos), that objection would be satisfied.
Captain-tucker also noted "the hook is not specifically cited ... ". Wikipedia:Did you know#Selection criteria says: "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." Thus the fact that the park is a complex doesn't address this objection, and revising the hook wouldn't address that objection either. What would address that objection is to find a source that verifies there are 68 genera, 96 species and about 6000 plants/trees, and to add a citation for that source to the article, right after the first sentence of Cubbon Park#Botanical assets. Art LaPella (talk) 06:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The authoriy quoted for the botancial statistics at number 3 of references is the Government of Karnataka organization called the "Horticulture Department" which is the authority in Karnataka on all Horticulture and is in charge of the Gardens in the state and the Cubbon Park is one of them. The web site under the heading Gardens provides the details of the Cubbon Park. I can't cite a better authentic source than this. But the main problem is of length. I don't have any text at present (unless I add superfluous stuff to the text of paras already added) to expand it by another 1616 bites. I will have to wait. Thanks for all the clarifications on the rules of DYK.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the citation objection would be overcome by adding instructions in the reference to click "Gardens" and then "Cubbon Park" (I couldn't make a direct link work), rather than making people look for it. Also, it should be linked from the article's supporting sentence, not from the next sentence. As for waiting, you probably know that the article will no longer qualify as new in five days or so. Art LaPella (talk) 17:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the suggestions. I have added more text and I hope it satisfies the length criteria. I have also made changes in the reference at 3 related to the Horticulture Departmentas as "Garden Cubbon Park". A modified hook with an image is now introduced below.
  • ... that Cubbon Park has indigenous and exotic botanical species of 68 genera and 96 species with about 6000 plants/trees and is also called Sri.Chamarajendra Park? --Nvvchar (talk) 07:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Link cited for this one 404s. Daniel Case (talk) 03:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the references.I have made the corrections by removing inappropriate commas and full stops after the web addresses, and I have also checked the references which are now accessible.
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues We need a source for the Gentle Ben credits (and for this IMdB is OK). Daniel Case (talk) 02:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Reply:Here is to the link of Tam Spiva writing some six episodes of Gentle Ben:http://www.tv.com/tam-spiva/person/4964/appearances.html Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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