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==Archive==
|type = [[public university|public]] [[coeducational]]
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|endowment = [[United States dollar|US $]]1.6 billion<ref>{{cite web | title=2006-07 IU Foundation Quarterly Report | publisher=IU Foundation| accessdate=2007-16-10 | url=http://iufoundation.iu.edu/News/Articles/IU_endowment_earning.html}}</ref> (2006)
|president = [[Michael McRobbie]]
|provost = [[Karen Hanson]]
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|state = [[Indiana|IN]]
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|undergrad = 30,394<ref name="07Factbook"/> (2007)
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|faculty = 1,943 full time, 366 part time<ref name="07Factbook"/> (2007)
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'''Indiana University''' is the flagship campus of the [[Indiana University|Indiana University system]]. It is also known as "Indiana University Bloomington," "Indiana," or simply '''IU''', and is located in [[Bloomington, Indiana]].


IU has 110 academic programs ranked in the nation's top 20. Twenty-nine graduate programs and four colleges at Indiana University are ranked among the top 25 in the country in the ''[[U.S. News & World Report]]'s'' Best Graduate Schools 2001-2002. ''[[Time (magazine)|Time]]'' magazine named Indiana University its "2001 College of the Year" among major research universities. Indiana is one of 60 members of the [[Association of American Universities]], the leading American research universities. The university's intercollegiate athletic program boasts 25 national championship teams (including seven in soccer, six in swimming and five in basketball) and 133 individual national championships (including 79 in swimming and 31 in track and field).
* [[User talk:Flyer22/Archive index|Archive 1]] (from [[May 8]] [[2007]] - [[June 20]] [[2007]])
*[[User talk:Flyer22/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (from [[June 24]] [[2007]] -


IU's total student enrollment in the fall semester of 2007 was 38,990 students.<ref name="07Factbook"/> Indiana University's [[freshman]] experience was recognized by ''[[U.S. News & World Report]]'' in 2003 as among the best in the country. The tenth annual ''Newsweek-Kaplan College Guide'', which appeared in the [[August 22]], [[2005]] issue of ''Newsweek'' magazine, chose IU as its "Hottest Big State School" and extolled the campus's blend of tradition with emerging technologies. IU was the only [[Big Ten]] institution included.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/2349.html|title=Newsweek magazine recognizes IU's Bloomington campus|accessdate=2007-08-09|publisher=''Indiana University Media Relations'' (Bloomington, Indiana)}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8939242/|title=America's Hot Colleges|accessdate=2007-08-09|last=Matthews|first=Jay|date=2005-08-14|publisher=''Newsweek'' }}</ref>
== TV pgs ==


''[[USA Today]]'' called Bloomington one of the top 10 student-friendly college towns.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2003-08-27-college-towns-list_x.htm|title=How the college towns stack up|accessdate=2007-08-09|date=2003-08-27|publisher=''USA Today''}}</ref> The university offers the latest in technology: IU was ranked as one of the top five wired universities in America according to Princeton Review and [[PC Magazine]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2073661,00.asp|title=
I 'm astonished at the fact that MANY wiki pages exist that shouldn't , while others that shold exist remain non-existant. Here are some that should be created.
Top 20 Wired Colleges|accessdate=2007-08-09|date=2006-12-20|publisher=''PC Magazine''}}</ref>


Of students enrolled in fall 2006, 1,669 (4.4%) were African-Americans, 1,339 (3.5%) were Asian, 889 (2.3%) were Hispanic, and 105 (0.3%) were American Indian. More women (19,821) were enrolled than men (18,426). Currently, the IU student body contains students from every state in the [[U.S.]] as well as over 159 foreign [[nations]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://factbook.indiana.edu/fbook06/fact_book_0607.pdf|title=Indiana University Fact Book 2006-2007|accessdate=2007-08-09|publisher=''Indiana University'' (Bloomington, Indiana)}}</ref>
Many are American TV writers/novelists/playwrights/producers/directors/media personalities who've been NOTABLE in their chosen profession for more than 10 years & have recieved numerous acclaim in the form of award nominations & wins: [[Dave vonKleist]], [[The Power Hour]], [[Genesis Communications Network]], [[David Shaughnessy]] (ex-[[Executive Producer]] of [[Y&R]]), [[David Goldschmid]] (writer on [[General Hospital]]), [[Tracey Thomson]] (writer on [[General Hospital]]), [[David Hiltbrand]], [[Burton Armus]] ([[Emmy]] nominated writer of [[NYPD Blue]]), [[Neil Landau]] (writer with many credits to his name), [[David Schulner]], [[Mathilde Ferro]], [[BigMuscle]], [[dudesnude]], [[hegelian]]


Indiana University also has a wide variety of extracurricular organizations and clubs (over 400) to keep students active and involved beyond academics. IU is also home to a Greek system: nearly 5,000 students (about 17 percent of undergraduates) join one of the 47 [[fraternities]] and [[sororities]].
[[Robert Mason Pollock]], [[Joan Binder Weiss]], [[Sibyl Gardner]], [[Conal O'Brien]], [[Angela Tessinari]], [[Mary O'Leary]], [[Cynthia M. Jervey]], [[Doris Silverton]], [[Jeanne Davis Glynn]], [[Tim Citrano]], [[Jack Urbont]], [[The Bahler Brothers]], [[David Rupel]], [[Shelly Moore (writer)|Shelly Moore]], [[Mark Teschner]] (award winning Casting Director of [[General Hospitall]] for more than a decade!), [[Nancy Ford (writer)|Nancy Ford]] (co-wrote the 1st ep of [[Ryan's Hope]])


== History ==
[[Cornelius Crane]], [[Ginger Redmon]], [[Royal Miller]], [[recast]], [[Bruce S. Barry]], [[Lynda Myles]], [[Christine R. Magarian]], [[Josh Reims]], [[Patricia Wenig]], [[Eric L. Roberts]] (protege of [[William J. Bel]]), [[Nancy Bradley Wiard]], [[Jill W. Newton]] (ex-casting director of Y&R), [[Esther G. Hudak]], [[Robert E. Costello]], [[David Robert Kanter]], [[Miriam Trogdon]]


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[[Maxine Levinson]] (ex EP of [[OLTL]]), [[Jim Sayegh]], [[Nancy Curlee]], [[Hal Corley]], [[Mike Denney]] (longtime director of [[Y&R]]; left in May 2007), [[Tina McElroy Ansa]], [[Nina Shengold]], [[Marina Alburger]], [[Jenelle Lindsay]], [[Andrea Lee]] (author of Interested Women), [[Frank South]] (writer of [[Melrose Place]], [[John Fisher (TV Producer)|John Fisher]] (Worked on [[Y&R]] for more than a decade. He's the Co-ordinating Producer on the highest rated American [[daytime drama]]), [[Jeanne Glynn]], [[Ellis Marcus]], [[Cindy Jerney Prial]]

[[Cathy Coote]], [[Faces of The Heart]], [[William Dale Smith]], [[Alan Pultz]], [[David Smilow]], [[Annamarie Kostura]] (VP of [[NBC Daytime]]; ex-casting director of [[OLTL]]), [[Dave Grusin]], [[David Pressman]], [[Larry Starkey]], [[Jack Turley]], [[A.J. Russell]], [[Marvin Paige]], [[Dwight D. Smith]], [[Peter Brinckerhoff]], [[Carol Saraceno]], [[Bob Bardo]]
[[Charles Rosin]], [[Gene Palumbo]], [[John Chambers (writer)|John Chambers]] (longtime writer on [[The Bold And The Beautiful]]; left in May 07), [[Mark St. Germain]], [[Jennifer Crusie]], [[Mary Ryan (writer)|Mary Ryan]], [[Ken Corday]], [[Mark Alton Brown]], [[Anthony Morina]] (American TV producer/director), [[Jill Ackles]] (TV director for more than a decade), [[Noel Maxam]], [[Sally McDonald]], [[Dean LaMont]], [[Danielle Faraldo]], [[Matthew Diamond]] (directed a 07 ep of [[Desperate Housewives]]; directs about 55 eps of [[General Hospital]] each year since 2005), [[Michael Montgomery (writer)|Michael Montgomery]], [[Marnie Saitta]]

[[Lisa Leiberman]], [[Selig J. Seligman]], [[Phil Sogard]], [[Robert J. Shaw]], [[Larry Auerbach]], [[S. Michael Schnessel]], [[Mel Brez]], [[Lanie Bertram]], [[Margaret DePriest]], [[Craig McManus]], [[William Ludel]] (Longtime TV director-at least 20 years), [[Owen Renfroe]], [[Ron Cates]] (music composer/TV director on many projects incl. [[General Hospital]], [[Chris Van Etten]], [[Frances Myers (writer)|Frances Myers]], [[Leslie Nipkow]], [[Cameron Stracher]], [[Aida Croal]], [[Story Coordinator]]

[[Janet Iacobuzio]] (ex-[[Head Writer]] of [[General Hospital]]), [[Casey Childs]], [[Steven Williford]], [[Conson Studios Inc.]], [[Rudy Vejar]], [[Judi Ann Mason]], [[Brian Mertes]], [[Betty Rea]], [[Robert Short]], [[Michael Lindsay-Hogg]] (directed 1st ep of ABC's [[Loving]]), [[Paul Avila Mayer]], [[Marc Beruti]], [[Shannon Bradley]], [[Kevin Kielty]], [[Writer's Assistant]], [[Matthew C. Jacobs]]

Once again, way too many pages on wiki need to be deleted, while way too many need to be created a.s.a.p. All you have to do is an Internet search on Yahoo on each of the aforementioned names in quotations. (Eg. "William Ludel"). I hope that Wiki can be a much better source of info for all who seek knowledge. Thanks!

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== Neil Landau ==

== Neil Landau ==
[[Neil Landau]] is an American screenwriter, [[playwright]], producer, and director. He has held various positions such as script consultant ([[Monarch Cove]]), breakdown writer (The Young & The Restless), and script writer ([[Don't Tell Mom The Babysitter's Dead]]). Landau has taught creative writing for the [[UCLA]] Extension Writers’ Program. He currently serves as a Visiting Assistant Professor in the MFA Screenwriting Program at UCLA’s School of Film and Television and is a Faculty Advisor for the MFA in Creative Writing Program at [[Goddard College]].
Landau is developing new dramatic programs for Fox TV Studios, [[Warner Bros.]] TV, and Avenue Pictures. His TV pilot, WitnessX, was purchased by [[CBS Corporation]]. He works as a writer and [[Creative Consultant|Executive Consultant]] under contract for Sony Pictures, [[Sony Pictures Television]]International, and [[Freemantle Media]].
Television Credits
*The Young And The Restless, Monarch Cove, [[Doogie Howser, M.D.]], [[The Secret World of Alex Mack]], [[Melrose Place]], [[The Magnificent Seven]], [[Undressed]] ([[Head Writer|co-head writer]]), [[Twice In A Lifetime]] ([[Executive Producer|Supervising Producer]])
Directing Credit
*The Fred Astaire Complex
Theatrical Credits
*Johnny On The Spot

Awards & Nominations
*The [[Fred Astaire]] Complex: Grand Prize by the California Media Association
*Etcetera and Intentions: Best Play-L.A. Valley College One-Act Play Festival [[Bank of America]] Award for Drama Excellence
*UCLA: Outstanding Instructor of the Year 1994

External Links/Sources
*http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0484475/
*http://www.uctv.tv/library-test.asp?showID=6609 *http://www.smmirror.com/volume3/issue51/johnny_takes_on.asp *http://www.behlerpublications.com/titles-jaeger.shtml
*http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A15355-2002Dec19?language=printer

== Edit Summaries ==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFlyer22&diff=179054935&oldid=179048757 Thanks for assuming that I wasn't going to make a comment] about your edit summaries (or lack thereof). I didn't have time to respond your comment until now. And, no I'm not wrong, but you aren't necessarily either. Are you required to provide an edit summary? No, I don't believe you are. It's just a good practice. Are edit summaries required for minor edits? Obviously, if they aren't required at all, then they aren't for these either. However, once again, it would be nicer for other editors, if you did.

As [[Help:Edit_summary#Recommendations|recommended]] by Wikipedia, "'''Always fill in the summary field.''' This is considered an important guideline. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may question your motives for the edit." You can do this by setting your preferences (under Editing) to "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary". This way you won't have as many [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Flyer22&site=en.wikipedia.org red marks] when you don't provide an edit summary.

I think it's great that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJauerback&diff=179056570&oldid=179048085 you are familiar with Wikipedia and it's policies], but reminders never hurt anyone. [[User:Jauerback|Jauerback]] ([[User talk:Jauerback|talk]]) 00:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Flyer, weren't we told on minor edits not to put anything? Didn't you get talked to about your "tiny edits" edit summary being told that it was unnecessary for minor edits that were indeed minor edits. I remember reading that because I learned from you that it is unnecessary to put edit summaries for minor edits like apostrophes and dashes and spacing. That's what the minor edit box is for. While your original comments, Jauerback, may have been in good faith, this is nothing but a defensive and antagonistic comment because there was no need for it. Comments about needing to place an edit summary are for newbies that don't understand, not people who have been around that are working their butts off to clean up messy articles. I'm sorry, Flyer, but this type of antagonistic behaviour just irks me. When people remove things from their talk page, it should be over and done with. By removing it you acknowledge you've seen it. A second post on the subject only serves negative purposes, IMO. Have a good holiday!! [[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] ([[User talk:KellyAna|talk]]) 01:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::I'm sorry that I've irked you. I wasn't planning on leaving a comment at all until I got home and saw the comments he left on my page. I then saw his edit summary of what he felt about me on his talk page, so I thought I should respond. As I've already stated above edit summaries aren't necessary, but they are generally good practice. If you read what Wikipedia says about [[Help:Edit_summary|edit summaries]] and still disagree with me, then that's fine. Do as you will. It's not a policy, just a recommendation -- nothing worth getting into a tif about. Merry Christmas and happy editing. [[User:Jauerback|Jauerback]] ([[User talk:Jauerback|talk]]) 01:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:::And I told you that I always provide edit summaries, except for when they are not necessary. I practice "good practice" on Wikipedia. I still don't know what you mean about my not leaving an edit summary on the [[Babe Carey]] article...considering that I did, more than once. The points at which I didn't, it was because they were not needed. I should not even put an edit summary when taking a word from can't to cannot. That's what the minor box is for. However, I still gave an edit summary for some of those edits. Yes, I'm irked. But thank you for explaining your side. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 05:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::::And as I stated on your talk page, I apologize for having come off as rude, if I did. I know that you were trying to be helpful. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 05:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
== Physical attractiveness ==

Hi, if you would care to offer on opinion on a talk page issue concerning [[Physical attractiveness]], it would be helpful.--[[User:Loodog|Loodog]] ([[User talk:Loodog|talk]]) 04:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hey, '''Loodog''', I saw the new issue going on there from my watchlist, although I didn't drop by to read that matter on the talk page...yet. I'll weigh in about it soon. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 05:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, if you can drop back in, it would be appreciated. I've gotten the impression this user is only continuing to reply to attempt to annoy me.--[[User:Loodog|Loodog]] ([[User talk:Loodog|talk]]) 23:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::LOL. Will do. I planned to earlier, but had a few other things to take care of. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 00:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

==RfA==
Thanks, and it's okay, things turned out alright. :) I'm taking things slowly right now (especially because of all the off-wiki distractions during the holiday season), but I'm looking forward to trying out the new tools! Have a good holiday season, --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 11:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

==Happy holidays==
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:Ah, thanks, Paul. Happy holidays to you as well. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Devil May Cry ==

You're a bit touchy about having your work edited, I think, if the removal of a comma prompts you to defend yourself against an imagined charge of vandalism. Yes, I am protective of FA pages within the scope of the DMC Task Force since we want to keep them at featured status. The period is fine though, and thank you for adding it there. Happy holidays! --[[User:Boradis|Boradis]] ([[User talk:Boradis|talk]]) 20:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
:Touchy? Well, it may be the stress I'm under outside of Wikipedia. However, I didn't really feel you were calling me a vandal. I understand your being protective of Featured Articles. Who wouldn't be? I understand being protective of an article that isn't a Featured Article. Anyway, Happy Holidays to you as well. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
::It's no problem really. After all, my initial edit summary was a bit abrupt too, and for that I apologize. It sounds like we both know how this Internet thing goes, and I'm glad we've taken the civil route. I truly hope you continue to contribute to the DMC pages. They'll get flooded with contributions as we get closer to the release of the next game in February, and I for one am determined to help the DMC4 page reach Featured status as well. So the more editors with talent and experience that we can get into the mix the better. If you're interested, please check out the [[TF:DMC|DMC Task Force]] and consider signing up. Happy holidays again, and thanks! -- [[User:Boradis|Boradis]] ([[User talk:Boradis|talk]]) 09:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, '''Boradis.''' I'll definitely consider it. I'll be even busier with work outside of Wikipedia soon, but I may still sign up as part of the [[TF:DMC|DMC Task Force]]. Thanks again. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== in re: [[Bisexual erasure]] ==

While assuming nothing but [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|good faith]] on the part of the editor who merged the articles, due to the history of as well as lively and vigorous discussion about this article, I have restored the article and substituted instead two [[Help:Merging and moving pages#Proposing a merger|merger discussion boxes]], one on [[Bisexual erasure]] and one on [[Biphobia]].

I look forward to discussing and working on this and other subjects with you in the future. Respectfully [[User:CyntWorkStuff|CyntWorkStuff]] ([[User talk:CyntWorkStuff|talk]]) 02:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Wise to have restored this article. I will drop in and give further thoughts about this topic soon. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

== Titanic ==

Hello, Flyer. Well, the expression "was converted" I wrote in the IP's talk page was actually a link to the [{{fullurl:List of characters in Titanic (1997 film)|diff=178838763&oldid=178838102}} diff] that shows who did the move: [[User:Secret]], who stated in the edit summary: "acually, redirect, the whole article fails multiple guidelines, 99% of the article is WP:OR, and the very obvious type, already a quick mention on the movie article". You could access this information through the history tab on the redirect's page. Good luck on restoring the information. And if you succeed, please tell me so I can restore the links I removed. Cheers, [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] <sup>[[User talk:Waldir|talk]]</sup> 01:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, my edit couldn't be undone for technical reasons. Someone probably edited some of the text in the character's names after I removed the links. I don't have time to restore the links now, I'll try do that later. In case you want to do it yourself, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Titanic_%281997_film%29&diff=180650127&oldid=180579268 here's the diff] showing exactly what I removed. Best regards, [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] <sup>[[User talk:Waldir|talk]]</sup> 02:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::No problem. I may restore them myself. I'm kind of lazy right now, though. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Blind revert ==

After checking your links, I see that you're right about the tense. However, you shouldn't have just reverted. Read over my changes. It's not just tense, I'd argue that there are a lot of improvements. I removed ellipses, sentence fragments, over used parenthesis, and, to be honest, some terrible writing for an encyclopedia article. If I may quote:
:Kendall is currently in love with the three men in her life, her husband Zachary "Zach" Slater and her two sons, Spike Lavery and Ian Slater.
Give me a break. That's great for a fan page, but not an encyclopedia. I'm going to revert to my version, and then go through and change the tense back to present. [[User:AniMate|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="Navy">AniMate</font>]] 09:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:No probelm. I stated that if there were any improvements that you made to that article instead of what you just did to its tense, then that it would be good to add those improvements back.

:I don't appreciate you calling it a "Blind revert"...because, yes, I noticed your other edits there, but there was no way that I was going to keep your version and then correct the tense myself, as that would take annoying time to do. It's no fun to correct the tense of an entire plot, as I have done to plenty of articles now. Anyway, I appreciate what you fixed up in the [[Kendall Hart Slater]] article. See you around. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Vanity project==
According to this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACollectonian&diff=181255066&oldid=181207819#AfD_notifications] some believe the Soap project is nothing more than a vanity project and shouldn't exist. Is it just me or is that rude? [[User:IrishLass0128|IrishLass]] ([[User talk:IrishLass0128|talk]]) 14:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Rude? It's absurd. I see he cleared that discussion from his talk page...or else I would have stated something. I knew about the Ethan and Theresa article being up for deletion, however. I really don't feel that there was anything we could have done to make that article fit to be on Wikipedia. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know that we could have done anything either, but I would have liked to try. There have been enough articles on them. Right now the Sheridan and Luis is up for "merge" but I don't really care enough to fight for that one. I agree that it is absurd to call the soaps project a vanity project. We work just as hard and our shows last substantially longer and have more characters. It came off really rude the way he said it too. Oh well, life goes on. Just another day at Wikipedia. [[User:IrishLass0128|IrishLass]] ([[User talk:IrishLass0128|talk]]) 18:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Heterosexuality ==

Flyer22 - I've asked you some questions at [[Talk:Heterosexuality]] regarding your last edit there. Thanks. --[[User:G2bambino|G2bambino]] ([[User talk:G2bambino|talk]]) 22:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Okay. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 22:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
I would like to say thank you on your yes vote on the picture Human.jpg on the discussion page of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy I was and am very grateful [[User:Patrice58|Patrice58]] ([[User talk:Patrice58|talk]]) 03:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:No problem. A good picture is a good picture. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 03:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Agreements and Civility ==
:: Flyer, I just wanted to tell you that though we don't see entirely eye-to-eye, I am largely appreciative and thankful for the many areas where we have been able to agree (and at least seek to understand each others' views) and the extremely good civility you've shown in the otherwise heated discussions. That sort of coolness helps others like me who can get a little... uppity... sometimes. Thank you.
:: I would like to invite your comments AND EDITING to [[User:VigilancePrime/ACS|this page]]. Enlarging and Referencing. Making it better, thorough, nd excrucioatingly NPOV (either way... [[Joe Friday|"Just the facts, ma'am."]]).
:: Any assistance is appreciated. [[User:VigilancePrime|VigilancePrime]] [[User:VigilancePrime|VigilancePrime]] ([[User talk:VigilancePrime|talk]]) 07:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I appreciate the compliments, VigilancePrime. And thanks for the invitation as well. I might drop by there. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 22:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Friendly Notice ==

Hello, I would appreciate comment from you and from others on this topic [[Wikipedia talk:No personal attacks#Nutshell is Nuts!]] if you would please take a look, I would much appreciate it.

Thanks for reading this message.

--[[User:Dwarf Kirlston|Kiyarr]]<nowiki>lls</nowiki>[[User Talk:Dwarf Kirlston|ton]] 03:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== 90210 DVD Releases ==

Could you fix the table for B.H. 90210 DVD releases? Someone added an extra column on the right and I can't get rid of it. Thanks! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Robinepowell|Robinepowell]] ([[User talk:Robinepowell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Robinepowell|contribs]]) 06:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:It should be fixed now, since I reverted to your version before it was recently changed. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 07:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I tried to do it myself but it wouldn't work. I've also re-added the last reference I added before you reverted back to my last contribution a week ago.

I don't what this other user was trying to do but they added an extra column and move the reference to the release date I added for Season 4 from Region 1 to Region 4. Weird. [[User:Robinepowell|Robinepowell]] ([[User talk:Robinepowell|talk]]) 08:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

==Greenlee==
I fail to see how that reference well documents Greenlee as a villianess. It looks like an ad for pay for play book. I don't find sources that have to be paid for in the spirit of Wikipedia. Besides, documenting how Greenlee is a villainess is like documenting how Gilligan is a klutz. You may as well reference everything the writers have ever made them do to illustrate your point.

Sincerely,
KIRA

[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 18:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

:That reference details one of her villainess moments. Some editors here at Wikipedia I am certain would ask for a reference proving that Greenlee is a top television villainess... Well, that's why that reference was added. It details one of her big villainous moments. Some editors here do act as though everything needs to be referenced. I could always trade that reference out for the one that is about the same thing in the [[Leo du Pres and Greenlee Smythe]] article, but shows more, if you're worried about people paying to read more of Greenlee's actions in [[Bianca Montgomery]] "[[coming out]]" as gay. But I must point out that plenty of references in articles are to books that a person would have to pay to read. But anyway, I'll see you around. Sincerely,

[[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Greenlee isn't really a villainess. She's what used to be what was once comfortably referred to as a b*tch. There are pure evil soap opera villainesses such as Helena Cassidine who engage in murder and brainwashing, and have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Greenlee is a character with mixed traits. The fact that she outted Bianca for being gay makes her a mean bully, at least at that moment. I would say she is not a villain at all, but rather a femme fatale.

[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 19:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

:There are several types of villains and villainesses. You don't have to be pure evil to be one. [[Adam Chandler]] and [[David Hayward]] are good examples. The soap opera press and that book, for one, cite Greenlee as a villainess. A lot of people would even say that most femme fatales are villainesses. Greenlee has done more than out Bianca, of course. The way she outed and treated Bianca for being gay is just one of her awful actions of the past. But, really, it was Donald Steele that outed Bianca (well, to the public anyway). It's great talking with you about what makes a villain or a villainess. Today is kind of boring. And this conversation is at least interesting. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok this is the definition from dictionary.com of a villain for the dramatic context: "Meaning "character in a novel, play, etc. whose evil motives or actions help drive the plot". I would have to say that Greenlee is a villainess. Most femme fatales and minxes are probably villainesses too, and if they're not then they're probably not that interesting or doing a good enough job. It might be a good idea for an article on soap opera villainesses, making note of the different types, and sub-types. Imho in general there are two main types: the psychos and sociopaths in one camp, and the vamps, brats, and femme fatales in the other. There is some crossover no doubt, i.e, Janet Green, but she needed radical plastic surgery to become a babe and in her mind's eye she was still an ugmo; that only exacerbated her psychoness.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 02:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:All good points, Wlmg. I'm not sure I have the time to create an article on soap opera villainesses. If you were to, however, I'd surely assist you in editing it. It definitely might serve to be a good article. If anything, it would be an interesting article. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
There's already a villains/villainesses in [[List of soap opera villains]], but a quick peak shows it to be less than exhaustive. Fyi Greenlee is not on that list, not yet at least.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 02:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:Whoa. That list needs some work. And I thought that the [[List of supercouples]] article was bad before I got to it, expanded and sourced it. But this List of soap opera villains is really bad (at the moment anyway). I'm surprised that it hasn't been deleted already. One of us, or somebody, needs to fix it up...before it does get deleted. And maybe it should be turned into more of an article instead of a list. Or both can exist, with the creation of an article on soap opera villains, of course. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 03:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I added about a dozen villains off the top my head, including Greenlee. However, I only know about ABC soaps, and Passions so all my additions are there. It's a start.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 04:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

==Your copyedit request==
[[Image:CopyeditorIcon3.png|left|75px]]
On 19 August 2007, you made a request to the [[WP:LOCE|League of Copyeditors]] for a copyedit on [[Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone]]. Because of a heavy backlog and a shortage of copyeditors, we have been unable to act on your request in a timely manner, for which we aplogize[[WP:LOCE/PM|.]] Since your request, this article has been subject to significant editing and may no longer be a good candidate for copyediting by the League. If you still wish the League to copyedit this article, please review this article against our [[WP:LOCE/C|new criteria]] and follow the instructions on the [[WP:LOCE/R|Requests page]]. This will include your request in our new system, where it should receive more prompt attention. [[User:Finetooth|Finetooth]] ([[User talk:Finetooth|talk]]) 20:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


==My Edit==
I've been away for a long time, hence my current late reply.

Now, this is way overboard and not to mention rude to the extreme! What buisness is it of the other editor or any editor for that matter in regards to what I wish to speak to you on your talk page? Is he/she your keeper or something? Why did you allow his/her edits through and negated mine? Are you telling I do not even have the right to revert MY OWN edits that I made?! In case you failed to notice, I did not touch your reply or anything else anyone had written. The only edits I made were to things I solely written. I believe I also stated that it is a consious and personal desicion that I've made after delibration on my part and that it isn't SPAM, VANDALISM, or FUN!!

I'd really apreciate it if you reinstate my edits, my full reasons and tell him/her not to EVER TOUCH MY EDITS AGAIN!!! [[User:Sakura rin24|Sakura rin24]] ([[User talk:Sakura rin24|talk]]) 13:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Sakura rin24, that editor is not my keeper. No one is. But she is a good friend I've made on Wikipedia and naturally found your removing that comment odd, as did I. The conversation had long been over, and suddenly you removed a comment that you made that was only thanking me for explaining and being polite to you. I visited your talk page about it to get an answer about why you removed it. It seemed that the reason you removed it is that you no longer felt that way anymore. Maybe you never really had. But, honestly, I'm perplexed about that. I only relayed to you the truth. So, yes, it is perplexing that you would remove a comment where you're thanking me for that. It came off as rude, as though you don't believe I was being helpful...or you that didn't/don't believe that I was doing such with the best of intentions.

:If you're not going to tell me why you removed that edit, that's fine, as I stated on your talk page. But, no, I will not reprimand my friend for looking out for me or making an edit that she acted in good faith on...or revert that edit she made to your comment (the reinstating of it). [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

==TomKat==
''Wonderful'' expansion. Keep up the great work! '''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#c0c0c0;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">нмŵוτн</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#888;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]''' 17:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::No problem. And I will. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Race Vandel ==

Thank you for the heads up. Yeah I recognize that user name. I don't know what the user's problem is. I saw he consistently messes with another article as well.[[User:Mcelite|Mcelite]] ([[User talk:Mcelite|talk]]) 04:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)mcelite

==More Jesse and Angie==
I added information about Angie's time on ''Loving'' and ''The City'' back into the main storyline synopsis. It's a little duplicative of the portion that you moved to the top of the page. That section should probably be pared down, but I'll leave that to you.
[[User:ABCxyz|ABCxyz]] ([[User talk:ABCxyz|talk]]) 02:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:Okay. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Still thinking about the info boxes. [[User:ABCxyz|ABCxyz]] ([[User talk:ABCxyz|talk]]) 22:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

==Krystal==
I added her name in there because all the other names represent current marries, and I felt like it was inconsistent. Also, Abc's website lists her as just Krystal Martin, so I thought putting Carey Martin was a good compromise. If you think about it, what does J.R. stand for? It should be JR, but I let that go.

:As I pointed out on your talk page, Wikipedia goes by common names. It doesn't matter that [[Krystal Carey]] is listed as Krystal Martin on the ABC website. That's not her common name. Also, other marries such as [[Kendall Hart Slater]] and [[Annie Lavery]] are listed as such because those are their common names. I pointed out the Kendall part to you on your talk page. The [[J.R. Chandler|J.R.]] thing has been brought up before by an editor. But the matter of the fact is...it's spelled J.R. or JR in various places, and the caption on television screens spells it as J.R. There are plenty of people who go by initials that don't stand for anything. J.R. is one of those people (well, characters anyway). You can spell it either way. But since his article here on Wikipedia goes by J.R. Chandler and most instances on Wikipedia spell it as J.R. Chandler, he should be listed as J.R. Chandler in the Current cast members section of the ''[[All My Children]]'' article. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 05:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Bree Hodge]] ==

Please go see my response on the [[Talk:Bree Van de Kamp]] page. Thank you in advance. [[User:Canjth|Canjth]] ([[User talk:Canjth|talk]]) 02:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, I was already going to. I saw it pop up on my watchlist, but I had/have other matters to take care of first. I'll be there soon. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

==TomKat & supercouples==
Please see (and respond) to [[User talk:KellyAna#TomKat]] either here or on my talk page. Thanks! '''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">нмŵוτн</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]''' 23:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:'''Flyer''' - can you keep this here rather than on my page. All I did was revert an edit based on the guidelines you set up, I really prefer not to be involved with any form of dispute at this point. Thanks for understanding. [[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] ([[User talk:KellyAna|talk]]) 23:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::That's what I'm asking about, because I know one editor can't create a [[WP:GUIDELINE]] on his or her own, and I don't see any discussion regarding this whatsoever. '''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">нмŵוτн</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]''' 00:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I've archived the conversation as I just won't be a part of it after certain comments were made. hmwith will have to retype his issue with the removal of "TomKat's" portmanteau from the article. [[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] ([[User talk:KellyAna|talk]]) 00:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Hey, guys. I feel that the [[TomKat]] article doesn't need to be linked in the [[List of supercouples]] article. TomKat is already mentioned in this couple's individual articles and thus people will find the TomKat article by clicking on one of their names or by clicking on the [[Supercouple]] article. Talk with you both later. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 04:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Haha, yeah, it's cool. Well, I think it couple only help the supercouple article, but I take your word for it if you think linking to the couple would negatively affect it, since I've worked with you on similar articles. Cheers! '''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">нмŵוτн</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]''' 06:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, the TomKat article is already linked in the Supercouple article when addressing [[Tom Cruise]] and [[Katie Holmes]]. And, no, I don't think that linking the TomKat article in the List of supercouples article would negatively affect it. It's just that I don't feel that it's needed in that article. Anyway, I'll see you on the editing side. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 07:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Well, I never checked the [[supercouple]] article. Good point. It may not add enough that it's worth adding to that article if it's in the main supercouple one. Thanks for your discussion, '''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">нмŵוτн</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]''' 07:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== New list/link for you ==
Entertainment Weekly put this one out [http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20174499,00.html]. It's actually very comprehensive and uses the word "Supercouple." [[User:IrishLass0128|IrishLass]] ([[User talk:IrishLass0128|talk]]) 17:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks for the link. I'm definitely soon to use it, most likely for all of the couples mentioned in that link. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::Glad to help. I found it refreshing because it broached the older couples not just the new and "hot" couples. The balance was better than I've seen in a long time. BTW, you need to visit the talk page of the Supercouples article. [[User:IrishLass0128|IrishLass]] ([[User talk:IrishLass0128|talk]]) 19:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, we could use your opinion. I was thinking maybe a split would be in order. Let me know what you think on the talk page. '''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">нмŵוτн</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]''' 19:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
==Article that needs sources badly==
Since you're the queen of BLP sourcing, I direct you to an article that needs sourcing HORRIBLY. I'd imagine it'd be easy to find since she's been public a lot this past year. I bring you...[[Jaslene]]. [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 23:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:LOL, Mike. Will do. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 23:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Elisabeth Hasselbeck]] ==

U need to let other contribute Flyer. [[Special:Contributions/70.108.122.10|70.108.122.10]] ([[User talk:70.108.122.10|talk]]) 02:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

:Uh...I don't keep anyone from contributing to an article...unless we're talking vandals and disruptive editors. All I do to that article is keep it cleaned up and revert vandalism. If you aren't a vandal or a disruptive editor, then go ahead and contribute. Just make sure you cite your sources (valid sources) ...or it (any addition you add) will be reverted or removed. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 03:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

O ok. :) [[Special:Contributions/70.108.122.10|70.108.122.10]] ([[User talk:70.108.122.10|talk]]) 01:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I caught [[User talk:70.108.92.126|70.108.92.126]] vandalizing [[Elisabeth Hasselbeck]] again. He/she reverted the article back some [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elisabeth_Hasselbeck&diff=199616750&oldid=198374255 14 edits], including at least one of yours. You might wish to reapply your edits. Thanks. --[[User:Arthur Smart|Art Smart]] ([[User talk:Arthur Smart|talk]]) 18:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

==Comment==
Re: "My mother still wishes that I would use my mind for a different career path, something other than Hollywood, but that is where my heart (career-wise, of course) is."

Go, for it. I wish you the best. I always wanted to be a writer. But, seeking financial stability, I am in law school. I still want to pursue my dream and hope I one day might. At 24, I also feel life is passing by. [[Nike, Inc.|Nike]] had it right, [[Nike, Inc.#Marketing strategy|"just do it"]]. --[[User:Charleenmerced|<font color="Blue">'''Char'''</font><font color="Red">'''leen'''</font><font color="Green">'''mer'''</font><font color="Blue">'''ced'''</font>]] <font color = "blue"><sup>''[[User talk:Charleenmerced | Talk]]''</sup></font> 21:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks. The [[Writers Guild of America strike (2007–present)|writers strike]] is putting a dent in my wanting to leave. But I still do and will. Thanks again for the support. I wish you all the best as well. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 22:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:: The writer's strike is putting a dent of my TV life. I already gave up on two shows. Bionic Woman and Back to you. --[[User:Charleenmerced|<font color="Blue">'''Char'''</font><font color="Red">'''leen'''</font><font color="Green">'''mer'''</font><font color="Blue">'''ced'''</font>]] <font color = "blue"><sup>''[[User talk:Charleenmerced | Talk]]''</sup></font> 22:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Laughing out loud. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 22:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
==Interview with CariDee==

I interviewed CariDee this week and I wanted to let you know about it. You can read the interview [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%27Top_Model%27_winner_CariDee_English_on_her_modeling_career_and_her_battle_with_psoriasis here]. [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 07:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:You didn't respond about my interview! :< [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 09:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

::LOL! I could say the same thing about when I asked you a question regarding [[Jesse Hubbard and Angie Baxter|Jesse and Angie]].

::Anyway, I hadn't gotten around to reading this interview at first, but felt that once I did, you would know (without me telling you, that is) that I enjoyed this interview. It was great and I like when you drop treats like this by my talk page.

::I'm glad she said this: "I think the only negative thing about it is that fans seem to think that if you're not on the cover of all these magazines, that you're not getting work. Not everything is covered equally. It's a different age now that a lot of celebrities are on the covers of magazines, and people go 'Oh, well, this show hasn't produced a Top Model!' We've been doing a lot of work in a lot of different things and I think people forget that."

::Preach it, girl. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 11:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, I didn't even remember reading a question about them. Let me go back to my page. [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 11:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, honey, Jesse died when I was like...3. And I was raised on NBC shows. If it wasn't Days or AW I don't know anything about its history back then, although I did try to rewrite some stuff from other sources for their article. [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 11:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, as you know, I was too young as well to know the true history of Jesse and Angie. I had to do research to upgrade their article. But I was still off-put by these writers just bringing Jesse "back from the dead" like that. I mean, the audience saw the guy clearly die and later in ghost form. I suppose they want us to believe someone was dreaming all of those ghostly visits of his, but even that does not make sense...for various reasons. I hate how they pratically "undid" a memorable, gut-wrenching scene in television history -- Jesse's death. It's part of what made them so iconic. But oh well. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

==[[Sam McCall]]==
The picture for Sam McCall was deleted. --[[User:Charleenmerced|<font color="Blue">'''Char'''</font><font color="Red">'''leen'''</font><font color="Green">'''mer'''</font><font color="Blue">'''ced'''</font>]] <font color = "blue"><sup>''[[User talk:Charleenmerced | Talk]]''</sup></font> 19:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

== Happy Valentine's Day! ==

[[Image:February..jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Wilhelmina Will]] has wished you a happy Valentine's day, and good luck in love and friendship!]]

A short/sweet little message, which I hope has made your day better! Happy Valentine's Day!!! [[User:Wilhelmina Will|Wilhelmina Will]] ([[User talk:Wilhelmina Will|talk]]) 02:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:Ah, thanks. It has made my day better. Happy Valentine's Day to you, too. I really wasn't expecting anyone, on the net or in my life off of the net, to say that... So thank you again. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 06:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::Glad I could cheer you up! [[User:Wilhelmina Will|Wilhelmina Will]] ([[User talk:Wilhelmina Will|talk]]) 07:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

==well done F22==
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Well, I always thought it was portmanteau, as well. Then, the articles were fixed, and... ahh! We're all wrong! I'm not sure if we should say what people consider it or what it technically is. It's a touch debate. I can't decide which I think should be used. '''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">нмŵוτн</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]''' 20:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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:Well, we're not actually wrong, considering that it's just in linguistics that it's called blends. But oh well. As I stated in my edit summary to you, I'm more for calling it portmanteau. Good points for calling it that were brought up by an editor on that talk page. There's portmanteau and then there's portmanteau (linguistics). [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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::Good points. I'll change it back to portmanteau. '''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">нмŵוτн</span>]][[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">τ</span>]]''' 22:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hi there! Sorry about messing up your edits, I thought (assumed *facepalm*) someone had just looked up Ashley Davies somewhere and put down her orientation without knowing anything about it. I checked the edit history but there wasn't anything on her recently (that I could see--knowing me I probably missed it) When I labeled her as a bisexual, I was thinking of her pre-Spencer and rebound relationships with Aidan. But you're totally right, "Lesbian-identified, possible bisexual" makes the most sense. Again, really sorry about messing with your edits! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TigressofIndia|TigressofIndia]] ([[User talk:TigressofIndia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TigressofIndia|contribs]]) 01:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:It's fine. No need to apologize. You were just trying to improve what you felt was off, and I really appreciate that. I mean, I at first listed her as [[lesbian-identified]] on [[List of LGBT characters in film, radio, and TV fiction|that list]] due to the fact that she often identifies as a lesbian, but is also thought of as a bisexual by some viewers...and she rejects sexual identity labels at the same time. Anyway, her article and what I stated on her talk page explains it all, as I mentioned to you before. I'll see you around. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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You have been granted with rollback, for more information, please refer to [[Wikipedia:Reverting#Rollback|this page]]. [[User:Yamamoto_Ichiro|Yamamoto Ichiro]] [[User talk:Yamamoto Ichiro|会話]] 12:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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:It's definitely an awesome tool. Whoever granted me this, thanks a lot. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 13:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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::Something to use it on; {{user|Godcthulha}} it seems that Creepy Crawler is back with another sock. Since it's all about [[:Category:Soap opera actors]], I'm lobbing this one your way. [[User:Pairadox|Pairadox]] ([[User talk:Pairadox|talk]]) 13:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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:::Hmm, I'm not sure I ever heard of that user before now. He sure picked the perfect former name ([[User:Creepy Crawler|Creepy Crawler]]), now didn't he?. I just researched his history. Right now, as you touched on, he's adding actors from soap operas to Category:Soap opera actors. That doesn't seem too bad, at least not that action of his. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 14:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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::::Except that most of them are already in the subcats American soap opera actors or English soap opera actors. I'm just surprised they didn't create the cat Soap Opera Actors (maybe they've finally gotten over their love for capital letters) and populate it. [[User:Pairadox|Pairadox]] ([[User talk:Pairadox|talk]]) 14:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::LOL. And, yes, I noticed the redundancy, since these actors are already in either the American soap opera actors or English soap opera actors category. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 14:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

== Luke and Noah ==

I think [http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2008/2/astheworldturnscontroversy this article] could be relevant to Luke and Noah's Wikipedia article. --[[User:Silvestris|Silvestris]] ([[User talk:Silvestris|talk]]) 19:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:Sure could be, Silvetris. Rather...will be. Thanks for the link. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:35, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Supercouple list ==
Wish you had told me earlier it was up for AfD. I added a "strong keep" but it's not looking good at this point. That editor that had fits about the main article and soap character's not being "supercouples" added a strong delete. [[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] ([[User talk:KellyAna|talk]]) 19:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, KellyAna, that editor didn't say that soap opera couples are not supercouples. It's just that that editor was unfamiliar with soap opera supercouples.

:As for this list, I thought you had known that it was up for deletion, since it's on your watchlist. I mean, isn't it on your watchlist? Anyway, I did put it in the Articles nominated for deletion section at the soap opera project. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
::It is but we were in Daytona for the Friday and Saturday stuff and I've been sick on top of it. I just didn't notice the nomination. Sad, I know. I can pick out the vandalism from a distance but missed the AfD. On a side note, did you see IrishLass quit her job and won't be around for a while? I'll do what I can when I'm home but that means we're down one helping hand. [[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] ([[User talk:KellyAna|talk]]) 20:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:::No, I hadn't heard that about IrishLass. That sucks. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, I saw your last revert and I'm here to say '''STAY POSITIVE'''. I can be the queen of negative but the full moon has me thinking positive and you sound so "out of fight" for the Supercouple list. I just sent Radiantbutterfly a message through our message board asking her to support the list because I believe in it. I don't see that it's cut and dry it's going to go. Many articles have separate lists. We just have to keep positive. Anything with that many comments should be kept. Obviously there's passion for the subject content. Heck, the Alina Foley AfD didn't get a quarter of that much reaction. Just keep the faith. [[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] ([[User talk:KellyAna|talk]]) 02:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well, I'm only "out of fight" because I'm so very tired of "battling" people with an axe to grind for anything popular culture on Wikipedia. I am especially tired, of course, of explaining to some people that supercouples are something that are not made by a critic or writer's opinion, but rather by the public. Sure, some couples who aren't truly supercouples may be called a supercouple by a critic or a writer, but that isn't the case for the majority, and it isn't the majority factor for most of the couples listed as supercouples on that list. I mean, if you google the terms Supercouple and Celebrity, the same couples come up most of the times, showcasing that not every celebrity couple is called or considered a supercouple. Only a select portion are.

:::::Anyway, it'll be a lot easier sticking to a list of fictional supercouples, and that's what I'm focused on now. I also see the point brought up in that deletion debate about not mixing lists of fictional and non-fictional supercouples, so it's not so much my being "out of fight"...but more that I have a new focus &mdash; List of fictional supercouples. All of these couples listed as supercouples will be cited as supercouples, with valid citations, of course. I will keep the Notable wave section in the List of fictional supercouples article that I am going to create, because it's clear that they are not listed as supercouples. I'll talk with you later. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 03:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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== [[List of supercouples]] ==

There are questions about original research, the validity of some of the sources, the definition of notable wave, and what exactly disputed by rivalry means on the entry for the list of supercouples. Your input would be appreciated. [[User:AniMate|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="Navy">AniMate</font>]] 01:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

*Yes. I'll be there in a moment. I haven't been there because I have been very busy with work, and I don't have access to a computer right now. I'm instead communicating with you at this very moment via a Playstation III. It's difficult to type using a controller, but I'll be there soon. Arrgh, excuse me for not signing my user name.

==Your recent edits==
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== eBay? ==

I'm sorry but the description of an item on eBay doesn't qualify as a reliable source. If you actually have the magazine and can point out page numbers, then yes, it would be fine. We can't just trust what some random unidentified poster on eBay claims as the truth. I'm not going to be a jerk, and I'm not going to remove it, but you should really come up with something concrete beyond a sellers description. [[User:AniMate|<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="Navy">AniMate</font>]] 10:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

:It's valid. I saw the cover. And just to make something clear, a seller can't truly lie about the cover and get away with it as easily as you make it sound. The cover isn't manufactured, and, yes, I went for that source, because it was validated by a person I know who has that magazine. This person pointed me to that source online. Now let me do "my job" and maybe you try and source something as well. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 17:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
==Jack Johnson==
I'm concerned that someone apparently used my IP number on Jack Johnson's page, prompting your warning. Can you figure out how this could happen? I've never heard of Jack Johnson before your warning.

Thank you. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.204.30.143|72.204.30.143]] ([[User talk:72.204.30.143|talk]]) 00:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You obviously have an IP address where many different people from many different locations will also be able to use it. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== Supercouple list ==
I added a link to [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23664621/] where MSNBC calls Will and Jada a supercouple. You might want to fix it up all pretty and stuff though. [[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] ([[User talk:KellyAna|talk]]) 23:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

== Drama, drama, drama ==
I see I missed a lot while I was out of work and unable to come here. Not sure how often I'll be able to check in but thought I'd say HI while I was here today. I notice the Supercouple list is in chaos. What happened there or do I really want to know? Leave me a message if I can be of any help. [[User:IrishLass0128|IrishLass]] ([[User talk:IrishLass0128|talk]]) 17:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:Just read it. And I don't even want to talk about it, as I am quite fed up with the conversations there. Like they aren't even listening, and as if that list is any worse than having a list of anything else we have lists for on Wikipedia. It's only two Wikipedians there (besides me), adamant on acting as though that list is the worst act against mankind. Ugh. It's a good thing that KellyAna left out of the discussions going on there, because with her temper, it wouldn't have been pretty. And, KellyAna, I mentioned "your temper" because you have mentioned that.

:Anwyay, I've got stuff to hurry up and do on Wikipedia, totally unrelated to that list. Good to see you back, by the way. I'll see you around. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 22:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::It's cool. I'm a bitch and I know it. Elonka's working with me to calm me down. With that list walking away is just best for me. [[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] ([[User talk:KellyAna|talk]]) 22:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, I still hope that you help me watch it and contribute to it, even though you may not take part in the discussions there with AniMate and Paul. The reference you recently added to that list, for instance, shows that it's quite easy to still contribute to that article while ignoring its talk page.

:::Once I archive that discussion still going on there, I'll mostly be through with talking on that talk page, except for when new discussions are brougt up there. But as that list is now, it's well-sourced and there aren't a load of couples listed on it. It's fine. I mean, jeez. But, really, it's taking away from my time on other things. I need to hurry up and create the [[Florencia Lozano]] article (an actress), create an article on a popular character of hers, [[Téa Delgado]], tweak a few articles so that I'll feel completely confidant nominating them for Good Article or Featured Article status, fix up other articles such as [[Zoe (All My Children)]] and [[Annie Lavery]], etc., create the [[Lena Kundera and Bianca Montgomery]] article, the [[Serial rape]] article (which I may title Serial rapist), and a few other things, and I need to get started on all of that right now (though I've already completed the Florencia Lozano article in my Word document). Redundant discussions about that list only take away from the time that could be put to articles that really need improvement and ones that should be or rather need to be created. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 22:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::::That is a long and painful conversation. They act like you shot the pope on Good Friday. Really, why are they so hell bent on removing everything without a reference? And why that list? There's how many millions of facts that aren't sourced but they are nit picking that to death. You must be going crazy. I'm sorry I wasn't here to help. I really wish I could have been. I assume they removed most of what is no longer there? I know you wouldn't have. I'll do what I can to keep an eye on it. Not sure how I feel about adding my two cents. Seems as though they will gang up on anyone that tries to intervene. I'll see what sources I can find and see where things go from there. Take care. [[User:IrishLass0128|IrishLass]] ([[User talk:IrishLass0128|talk]]) 18:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well, I actually agree with what has been done to that list. I just hate that now that it only consists of supercouples and not merely popular couples who were/are not supercouples, and it has mostly good sources, that they are still acting as though it is the worst list ever on Wikipedia. It makes no sense. As I stated there, I can see the list being criticized for having a celebrity supercouple section, but not if it's just a list of fictional supercouples. I mean, we do have a [[List of fictional anti-heroes]], and determining what or who is an anti-hero is a lot more subjective than titling a couple as a supercouple. Anyway, I've got work to do concerning the articles I stated that I will be working on a lot in a hurry. Talk with you later. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
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==Y&R interview!==

I figured you may like to see [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Popular_soap_opera_%27The_Young_and_the_Restless%27_celebrates_35_years_on_the_air this]. [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 23:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

I don't know if you got my email or not but since you didn't reply I'll repeat most of what I said here. Thank you so much for your praise on the article I created. Also thank you for all the ways you spruced it up. I still have a lot more to learn but you really taught me a few things on there and on the articles you made or fixed up. [[User:Rocksey|Rocksey]] ([[User talk:Rocksey|talk]]) 20:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, I haven't read my recent e-mails because I've been without computer access (been using [[PlayStation 3]] instead, though I can read them with PlayStation 3). Can't really reply in full at the moment. And, hey, I had to state what I did about your work here; good is good. You impressed me, seeing as you are a newbie here. I'll see you around. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 07:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed on the supercouple list that a few of the couples had a reference from a magazine that was directed to the wikipedia page of that mag. Is that the way you're supposed to site those kind of references or is it better to use the scans from the articles? [[User:Rocksey|Rocksey]] ([[User talk:Rocksey|talk]]) 23:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean how the references show which magazine (or other various source) it's from at the end of the references? I mean, all of those references, if you click on the title (or look if you can't) rather than clicking on the magazine it's from, are from sources apart from Wikipedia. If you mean, should Wikipedia itself be a reference for sources we use on Wikpedia, then typically no. But that's not what showing what magazine it came from at the end is doing And, yes, scans from articles are fine, as you already know. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I mean the reference six on the supercouple list. It just gives the name and date of the magazine. Is that ok to do as long as you have the date the magazine came out? [[User:Rocksey|Rocksey]] ([[User talk:Rocksey|talk]]) 21:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Checking in ==

This is just a brief note to make sure everything is okay with you. I'm moving really slowly on the [[List of supercouples]], which is hard, but I'm not going to do anything drastic without your okay. Really, this isn't even a request for you to contribute anything, but just a note hoping things are getting resolved on your end of the internet. Not having a computer (and thus having to use a game platform) can be really frustrating, so I just hope things find you well. I understand if there are articles higher on your list of priorities that require less complexities than a protracted and complex talk page discussion, so don't expend any extraordinary efforts on the page until you're able to do so with ease. I just hope you're doing okay, and promise not to do anything drastic until you can comeback at full speed.
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== [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/User:KellyAna(2nd),User:Irishlass0128(2nd)]] ==

I know that you've worked extensively with both KellyAna and Irishlass0128 in the past. It looks as if the two accounts were controlled by the same person. I think it would be helpful if you commented there. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 21:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:Whoa. What??? I mean, at first I had suspected, but IrishLass has quite a different personality from KellyAna. And why would KellyAna say that IrishLass cannot do that deletion request if they're the same person? You caught me at a bad time, AniMate. I'm not sure that I can comment on that right now. I'll try, but if I don't show up there soon, it's because I'm busy off Wikipedia. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 21:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Having good cop/bad cop accounts is not an uncommon tactic used by puppet masters. Right now, we know that they are editing from the same area, joined at the same time, and are never online at the same time. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 21:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I know. I've explained further below. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
===Conclusions===
[[User:KellyAna|KellyAna]] has been blocked indefinitely, and [[User:IrishLass0128|IrishLass0128]] has been blocked for two weeks for running an abusive sockpuppet. I know you worked with them extensively in the past, so the landscape of most soap opera related articles is going to be changing somewhat. IrishLass0128 has the right to come back, but from what KellyAna wrote it seems unlikely. Several reasons were given, none of which addressed any of the allegations against them. Anyway, I removed the maintenance banner from the [[List of supercouples]] as you've stated it's not an important article for you and IrishLass0128 likely won't be coming back. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 04:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:Damn it (pardon my language)! I just logged on to a computer to go to that case and state something. I thought that I would have more time to speak, considerng that other sockpuppet cases have lasted longer than that. I wanted to say some things against KellyAna. Yes, against! I'm angry and very disappointed that she abused Wikipedia this way. What convinced me that she was at least Antigone28 is the harshness of Antigone's tone, the exact way Antigone talked to me when I was a young newbie on Wikipedia (well, I'm still young) and he, who is actually a she, was a newbie who didn't know much about Wikipedia's rules, as I was trying to inform her on them, was too similar to how KellyAna talks when she gets upset (or rather infuriated). Similar phrases such as "You've brought me to tears" were uttered by both of them. I don't see it as a coincidence due to how they were said in those situations. '''Antigone28 was one of the worst encounters I've ever had on Wikipedia'''. I was a newbie who felt like an administrator here due to all of the editors I had running to me for my help and my calming down and trying to settle disputes between those various users (just check my first archive). Even with all of the hatred Antigone spewed, I had "forgotten" that user. I left that experience thinking that a user left Wikipedia angry when that user could have been helped to become an integral part of this community. Turns out that that user had returned to Wikipedia all this time as CelticGreen and then became known as KellyAna. As for IrishLass, I feel that it's possible that they could have been two different people at one point. I mean, IrishLass stood up for my addition of the Emergence of gay and lesbian supercouples section in the [[Supercouple]] article (just check the first archive there). But, KellyAna, who had plenty of time to say something about it while that was going on, didn't. I honestly figured that she had a problem with homosexuality too much to state anything on that matter, considering that she would speak up for almost anything that I did here. What sealed the deal for me was when she recently said something to [[User:TAnthony|TAnthony]] about being able to say bad things about his sexual orientation. I was like, "Oh, so that explains her reluctance to support the gay and lesbian section when that was going on."

:Hmm, the fact that "they" use the same abbreviations or unique styling for words and meanings in their edit summaries didn't/doesn't mean much to me. I mean, I sometimes use the expression "Restore" when reverting vandalism or putting an article back to the state I feel that it's best at...and I thought that I was the only one to use that expression (whether that sounds naive or not), but TAnthony sometimes uses it as well. As Wikipedians, we sometimes adopt each other's style of editing somewhat or style of phrasing, edit summaries included. That said, while I feel that IrishLass and KellyAna could have been two different people at some points, they were clearly the same person the majority of the time. The TIME evidence pretty much convinced me of that, as well as the fact that IrishLass didn't show up in the sockpuppet case to speak at all.

:So this second sockpuppet case against them all started because I asked "IrishLass" to delete the [[Daniel Romalotti and Lily Winters]] article (an article that I'm about to go strip of that ludicrous supercouple statement right now)? Whoa. Then good. I felt something eery when I made that request, and I suppose it was this.

I want to state something about this and Wikipedia deception on my user page, but I don't have the time right now. <Strike>I will, however, stop by everyone's talk page who participated in this second sockpuppet case against KellyAna and IrishLass and link them to this statement of mine.</Strike> Thank you for informing me of this, AniMate. You are a well-respected editor in my eyes, and I have come to appreciate your stern tendencies. I wish Elonka had informed me of this herself considering that she did some research on this which connected Antigone28 to KellyAna. I know that I was/am "out of action" at the moment, but I still want to be informed of cases like this. Thank you for that, AniMate.

And, KellyAna, if you feel that I've turned against you...as you're reading this (which, most likely you do feel that way)...no, I haven't turned against you...

I just don't tolerate this kind of deception. Ever heard of [[Essjay]]?. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
: Hi, and thanks for the statement. If it turns out we need to open another such case in the future, this information will be useful. As for why I didn't inform you directly, I figured you were probably already watching the related talkpages and would have heard about it that way if you were active. My apologies if you felt left out of the loop. I'm also very sorry to hear about your early [[WP:BITE]] experience. But for what it's worth, I always thought you were an ''amazing'' new editor, so I'm glad you stuck around! :) --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 20:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::Flyer22 - I've read your comments and thank you for commenting on the situation. I'm sorry you didn't get the chance to post a comment on the case. Thanks DJS --'''<b><font color="black">[[User:DJS24|DJS]]</font></b><b><font color="navy">[[User talk:DJS24|24]]</font></b> ''' 21:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::: BTW, we may be re-opening that CheckUser case soon. Set a watch at [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/KellyAna]]. You may also wish to post your statement on the talkpage there, so it'll be easy to access later if we need it. --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 23:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== This hurts like hell ==

I also wanted to advise you all to read my Archive 2 (that's actually at the time I felt as though I was an administrator here). And if you haven't already, to read over all of my and Antigone's interactions with each other. I cannot believe that I was so blind, but having read over all of that again, I must again state that Antigone28 is KellyAna. Her personality (its anger aspect) got a little better, but it's still her. I was the first mentor KellyAna had, just check my archives. She clearly learned as Antigone, even while bitching me out, and then learned more afterwards, suddenly respecting me greatly. I grew very close to KellyAna and "IrishLass". They were the closest thing to family that I had on Wikipedia...and it hurts like hell to lose them. KellyAna, I miss you already. I don't hold any grudges against you as Antigone. What also convinced me that KellyAna and "IrishLass" are often, if not all the time, one in the same is that they never talk to each other. This has all hurt like hell. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== Elonka, thanks ==

And, Elonka, thanks for all of your help on this matter. You already know that I am extremely grateful to you for being my Wikipedian mentor early on. I understand why you felt that I may have known about this second sockpuppet case against KellyAna and "IrishLass" due to my watchlist once I would check in. But I'm taking this time to clarify that I took a break from looking at my watchlist due to being drained of witnessing all of the vandalism it shows. Though it was difficult to not peak in on it. Lately, I haven't looked at it more so due to the fact of vandalism and my not being able to do much about that right now.

I'll talk with you all later. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
: You know you can completely clear that watchlist, right? :) I periodically go through and delete hundreds of articles at a time. I'll go through the list, and if I can't instantly remember ''why'' I'm watching an article, I remove it. Or, if I see something in my watchlist, at anytime, and I think, "Ah, there's a change, but nah, I don't really care what they did, then ''zap!'' I remove that article immediately. The "Popups" tool is very useful for this. If you haven't yet, click on "My preferences" at the top of the page and look at the new "Gadgets" tab on the far right. If you use Firefox, I highly recommend both WikEd and Popups. Once you start using them, you'll wonder how you ever got along with them. :) --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 03:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== Sorry, for all these new headings ==

It's just that I switch back to the [[PlayStation 3]] at times and I cannot respond in the regular way. Anyway, LOL. Yes, Elonka, I know that I can clear my watchlist. It's just that I prefer not to. Eveything that I've added to it so far I want to keep on it. Even though articles such as [[Brad Pitt]] get a high level of vandalism, that's the main reason that I put that article on my watchlist. Other articles I put more on there out of true interest.

I'm about to go check on a few actor/actress articles right now...and state something on the Soap Opera project talk page. Hopefully, I'll be back on Wikipedia fully next week or the week after that...just to take care of all the matters I've stated above that need taking care of. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 03:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
: No problem, what are you playing? :) Also, on the watchlist, given my druthers, I'd say don't worry about the vandalism. There will always be more vandalism on Wikipedia, and we have a lot of editors working on it. If you don't take care of vandalism right away, what would it mean? Oh no, an article on Wikipedia might be in poor shape for awhile! (gasp!) Heh. But like I said, given my choice, I'd rather see you writing articles than cleaning up vandalism. You're an amazing writer, you're a fantastic researcher. I want you to stick to the activities that excite you, not the ones that drain you. Or in other words, here's a webcomic that struck ''very'' close to home. Check my blog,[http://memestreams.net/users/elonka] second one down, "Duty calls." Or if you can't get to it, let me know and I'll send it to you some other way. :) --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 03:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

::I wasn't playing anything on the PlayStation 3 in that moment, Elonka...or lately, for that matter. I've been mainly using it for the internet. I'm not as into video games as I used to be. I'm still very good at playing them, however...especially [[role playing games]] (RPG's). Thanks for the complments and the link to the Duty calls blog. It was/is a nice read.

::Right now, in this moment, I'm on a computer, and am going to go take care of a few things. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==AfD nomination of Susan Mayer==
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|48px|left]]An article that you have been involved in editing, [[Susan Mayer]], has been listed for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susan Mayer]]. Thank you. <small>Do you want to [[Template:Bots#Message notification opt out|opt out]] of receiving this notice?</small><!-- Template:adw --> [[User:Ultraviolet scissor flame|Ultra!]] 22:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sigh. That character is notable, and so are all of the other Desperate Housewives from that show. Not to sound snide, but I wish more editors on Wikipedia would check on the notability of articles before nominating them for deletion simply based on what or rather what isn't in those articles. I suppose I'll make a statement or two in the deletion debate of this article when I get a good chance to. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 23:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Susan and the problem of Wiki ==

Thanks. I hope you saw my apology as well. I realized that I had lost my cool during all that. Anyway, I'm glad there's no hard feelings, and I hope we can find some joint project to work on in the future. Ciao. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> &nbsp;BIGNOLE&nbsp;</span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 13:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, of course, I saw your apology, Bignole. And it'd be great to work with you again. You are one of the best editors here, after all, and helped me early on when I was learning what it took to write a Good or Featured article.

:Talk with you later. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 17:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Cassandra Foster ==
You've done a wonderful job with the Angie/Jesse article and recently a new page popped up about Angie's daughter [[Cassandra Foster]]. Of course the creation of it has no merit and it's just a list of her relatives and nothing else. Should I nominate it for deletion or should someone merge it. Thanks again. [[User:Glo145|Glo145]] ([[User talk:Glo145|talk]]) 21:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:Delete it. The article about their son should be deleted as well. But there may be some stuff out there about that actor portraying that role. If you can find info on that actress portraying Angie's daughter, her take on the role, then that article may be worth keeping for now. The same, of course, applies to any worthwhile information about their son. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 21:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Peer review ==

So you know, Paul75 listed the article at peer review already. The link is [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Supercouple/archive1|here]]. I, like you, would've liked to have gotten a heads up before the decision was made, but here we are. Hopefully something good can come out of this and we can work through our stalemate, and realistically we are at a stalemate. You refuse to acknowledge they are poor sources, I refuse to acknowledge they are reliable sources. So, let's see what happens next. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 02:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:There is nothing useful in the comment you left on the peer review page. Why not refactor it? Coming at people with an attitude like that is what got KellyAna in so much hot water. Besides, it is a good idea to get some outside eyes on the article. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 02:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

=== Main reply about Supercouple peer review. ===

<Strike>Don't ever compare me to KellyAna.</Strike> Furthermore. There are only two sources we've been debating there. Sources for non-controversial statements that NO ONE cares about, except you two. And you know what? I'm too ticked off right now to care. Is that what KellyAna would say? Oh well. I think she'd sound harsher in most instances. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry I offended you, and sorry for my crappy typing. I really shouldn't do two things at once, which is why I'm about to signoff for a while. If you think about it, there are only three people who seem to care about the article at all... you, me, and Paul. And for the record, I came and gave you a heads up as soon as I saw what he had done. Remember, assume good faith. There's really no point in being ticked off, and I really think that having a wide range of outside eyes and opinions can only improve the article. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 03:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Okay, I'll reply again ==

It's difficult to assume good faith in an editor who basically goes behind your back to do something that he or she knows you're against (at this time), and especially when he or she knows that you can't really participate at the moment about the thing they went behind your back about. I'm sorry (actually, I'm not), but it's very difficult to work with an editor who doesn't believe in the article he or she is working on. That's like me going to work on [[nursery rhyme]] articles when I really don't care for it. That's how Paul has been about [[List of supercouples]] and the [[Supercouple]] article. All I see is him wanting to take from them, not add to them, all because he doesn't believe that supercouples like [[Tad Martin and Dixie Cooney]] or [[TomKat]] exist (when they clearly do).

As for getting "a wide range" of outside eyes on that article, not many people respond in peer reviews mostly about soap operas unless it's like a case of [[Pauline Fowler]], though the Supercouple article is diversified. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 04:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== And again ==

Also, I've seen articles on Wikipedia basically destroyed due to "outside eyes"... It's not going to do that article much good to have a bunch (if there is a bunch) of editors unfamiliar with the topic of Supercouple molding that article. If there were a lot of editors here as versed in topic as I am, then I wouldn't be the main one editing that article. If it weren't for me, that article would have been deleted by now.

Plainly, Paul clearly lacks trust in me as a Wikipedian editor. I clearly stated the best time an article should be put up for peer review (and, yes, I feel there's a best time or a better time as for cases like this one), and that I would get that article to Good Article status first. But he more than apparently doubted that, and went against me without even a heads up, as if I didn't know what I was talking about, all so this could be his last resort to have sources he doesn't like taken out Pfft! I wasn't too offended being briefly compared to KellyAna. I prefer her to some. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 05:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Why did you unblock this problematic "editor"? ==
I did not unblock ELNUMERO1 (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:ELNUMERO1 here]). I did delete the user's user page after 30 days of being indefinitely blocked. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 01:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry about that. My lack of computer access right now shouldn't have been an excuse to not make certain that you were the one who unblocked that user before going to you accusing you of having done such. Turns out no one unblocked that "editor"...it's rather, as you said, he or she was only blocked indefinitely for 30 days. Ugh, indefinitely blocking for 30 days makes no sense. Why call it indefinitely blocking when it's not indefinite?

:Anyway, that user should have been indefinitely blocked for good, as the name implies. I'll see to it that this is taken care of. What that vandal does on Wikipedia should not have been tolerated for this long. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

::There's some confusion there. MZM didn't mean the user was only blocked for 30 days, but rather that it had been 30 days since the block. The problem, however, is that this user was never indefinitely blocked. The block log shows only three blocks, 12 hours, 48 hours, and one week. So I'm not sure why you thought they were indef. blocked in the first place, and I'm not sure why MZM deleted the user page. I can only imagine that someone put a message on the userpage claiming that the user was indef. blocked, which is probably what confused both of you. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 03:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, someone, who seemed to be an administrator, put an "indefinitely blocked" stamp on that user's page. I was going to ask MZ if MZ wouldn't mind telling me who did that. Thanks for explaining, Ned. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Your contribution to my last edit to [[Ashley Davies]] was entirely appropriate, and the the edit summary hit the perfect tone! Keep up the good work. :) [[User:Debate|Debate]] ([[User talk:Debate|talk]]) 14:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

==GA articles==
Thanks for informing me of your improvements to the articles.I definitely think they deserve a second chance at GA status now, but as I'm kinda distracted right now I might have to wait until tomorrow or wait until another editor reviews them instead. [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten&nbsp;Pound&nbsp;Hammer</span>]] <small>and his otters</small> • <sup>([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Broken clamshells]]•[[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Otter chirps]])</sup> 02:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:No problem. Most of those that editor listed are not ready for GA. [[Todd Manning]], as I mentioned on your talk page, is the only one out of those close to ready for GA. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Common Name ==

Well it seems to me that wikipedia is half-assing the "Common name" rule. Since you reverted [[Katie Peretti]] page, what about [[Sharon Abbott]]??? She has clearly been known as "Sharon Newman" for over 11 years but she gets married and THEY are allowed to change it? What about [[Victoria Newman Hellstrom]]???? She has clearly been known better as "Victoria Newman"..these are changes that also need to be made, its not fair to just half-way make changes around the site. I'll agree to stop, but please if you're looking to up hold the common name rule, please make changes to all of the incorrect wikipedia names.

Also [[Nikki Newman]] should be changed back to Nikki Newman, she is not commonly known as "Nikki Reed". <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AugustAugust|AugustAugust]] ([[User talk:AugustAugust|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AugustAugust|contribs]]) 08:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

=== Reply about Wikipedia "half-assing" it when comes to its common name policy ===

You are correct. All of those articles should be changed back to their common names. I have long noticed the [[Sharon Abbott]] instance, but that will probably keep getting changed back just because she's not married to [[Nicholas Newman]] anymore and is married to [[Jack Abbott]]. If the official [[CBS]] website lists her as Sharon Abbott, though, there is a little merit in her article being titled that.

Anyway, you should move any articles (that you know not to be common name-titled) to their common names and explain to any objecting editors. I am all for you moving those articles you just mentioned to their common names. Be wary of Sharon Abbott, though, as I just stated.

Also, I had already touched on Wikipedia's inconsistency in regards to the common name policy at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Soap Operas]] talk page, which somewhat resembles what you just stated on that matter.

I'll see you around. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 08:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

=== And, oh... ===
Nikki Newman's article has already been changed back to Nikki Newman, since March 20th of this year. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 09:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

==Real world stuff==
Yeah, I think it's fun to see how characters were formed! I also know that information about how episodes and characters were made exists for a bunch of fictional series and I'm surprised that more people haven't bought the needed books and used them as sources... Anyway, I'm glad to hear that my work has been appreciated :) [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 13:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

==Your request==
Hi. I wasn't ignoring your request, but I have had monstrous problems the last few days staying connected via my dial-up. I've moved to the country and the phone lines are less that stellar. With the rain we've had in Indiana, the lines are soaked and I can't stay connected. I'll take a look at the page you mentioned, but I should warn you that I know little to nothing about that soap. I only watch The Guiding Light, and that only occasionally. I'll give it a look see this week as the lines dry out. Thanks. [[User:Wildhartlivie|Wildhartlivie]] ([[User talk:Wildhartlivie|talk]]) 23:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for explaining. You didn't have to. Oh, and if your're wondering why the plot summary of that article is in present tense, it's because plot summaries, per Wikipedia policy should be. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 23:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Common Names ==

Homie, you changed my stuff again? What's up wit you? I was just matching the names that these characters are using now. You thought I was doing this for my own self? No. I was doing it because the characters are not using the names that are being used for these articles. For example, Jessica from One Life to Live. She got married to Nash and her last name got changed. You left that alone. Annie from All My Children. She got married to Ryan and ''her'' last name got changed, and you left ''that'' alone. but when ''I'' make changes, you say something to me. I don't like that, because it sounds to me that you are playing favorites. And you are going to be like that, then ''I'' will seek intervention, Homie. [[User:King Gemini|The King Gemini]] ([[User talk:King Gemini|talk]]) 17:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not your homie, and I'm not playing favorites. What the characters change their names to does not matter. Their common names do. [[Annie Lavery]] is her common name. 18:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

=== Common names Part 2 ===

The only reason I left Jessica's alone is due to what I said on the WikiProject Soap Operas talk page. Playing favorites? Don't make me laugh. I don't like it one bit when you misinformed editors go around changing characters' articles from their common names, and would much prefer Jessica's article are being at [[Jessica Buchanan]], like it should be. And don't try ro threaten me. Policy is on my side. Not yours. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
=== Common Names Part 3===
Who said I was threatin' you? You gettin all defensive now? You gettin scared? And FYI, I didn't misinform anything. [[User:King Gemini|The King Gemini]] ([[User talk:King Gemini|talk]]) 00:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:Getting scared? Whatever. Just read Wikipedia policy. Yes, you are misinformed -- as you seem to think that when a female gets married, it means her article should be changed. No, it shouldn't...because her married name is not her common name. If it becomes her common name, then you have a case. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 00:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:That's all you could've said. Now, if Jessica and Annie's names can become common names, so can Langston, EJ, and any other article that I moved. [[User:King Gemini|The King Gemini]] ([[User talk:King Gemini|talk]]) 01:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::They aren't common names yet is the point. It took years for [[Kendall Hart Slater]] (with the Slater part tagged onto it) to become her common name. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:How long did it take? [[User:King Gemini|The King Gemini]] ([[User talk:King Gemini|talk]]) 01:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

=== Common names Part 4 ===

Kendall Hart's common name becoming Kendall Hart Slater (either are her common name) happened due to the character calling herself Kendall Hart Slater very often, to where it became very familiarized to viewers. She's done that for two years now. Those two years, though short, really drilled in that name. A name like [[Jessica Buchanan]] is more difficult to overcome because the name [[Jessica Brennan]] has yet to become as prominent as her maiden name. I guarantee that when most people think of Jessica's name, they think "Jessica Buchanan", not "Jessica Brennan". Common name is sometimes tricky, but not in most cases. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:But on Days of our Lives, EJ has been using the DiMera name ever since he married Sami. I was just trying to make it right. That shouldn't be against policy at all Flyer22. [[User:King Gemini|The King Gemini]] ([[User talk:King Gemini|talk]]) 14:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Hi, I'm sorry if there is a problem but I have never heard of James Dean before let a lone edited a page on wikipedia about him. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.152.81.126|86.152.81.126]] ([[User talk:86.152.81.126|talk]]) 15:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Someone else, a vandal, using the same IP address as you, vandalized that article. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 17:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Final on common names ==

EJ Dimera simply is not his common name yet or maybe even ever. A few months of calling himself that does not overshadow the longer amount of time he's been called EJ Wells. I don't know how else to explain common name policy to you. Just remember all I've said about it, what it actually says about itself, and follow that. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 17:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Greenlee's Nobility ==

Flyer, I don't even know why we are here. I suppose some debs are nobles, but Greenlee isn't one of them. Should I run over to 90210 article and add Donna Martin to the fictional nobility category because she debued on the show? I believe Greenlee is American. Americans do not have titles unless they bring them from somewhere else, or inherit them. It is too much of a stretch to include her in the category so kindly revert the edit. Furthermore it has always been very clear on AMC who the nobility are, as it is on all the other ABC soaps.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 02:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:I'll kindly revert. But who are the clear nobility on ''All My Children''? The Chandlers, I presume? [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 05:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Hugo Marick, Dimitri Marick (a.k.a. Count Andrassy) and his clan. Princess Gillian Andrassy. I'm sure there's other examples but to be honest I'm not a really big AMC fan.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 14:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== FYI... ==

[[User_talk:TimothyBanks#So_you.27re_just_going_to_ignore_naming_conventions.2C_huh.3F]]

FYI, he tried moving Ameera to her married name. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] ([[User talk:DrBat|talk]]) 14:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads up. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 17:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

== Greenlee's Picture ==

Hi Flyer. I am in an edit war with someone over Greenlee's photo. Perhaps you can take a look at the edit history over there. In a nutshell I contend that a promo picture of Rebecca Budig is inferior to a screenshot of Greenlee herself. Here is the source of the offending pic http://abc.go.com/daytime/allmychildren/gallery/129974_1.html the uploader supplied the wrong link therefore her fair use rationale is imperfect if I want to nitpick. But moreover, it's a horrible pic of Budig, and makes her look fat.

[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 07:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

::The reason I change the picture to the promo shot since other soaps are moving toward having clearer, more descriptive, higher resolution promo shots such as [[The Young and the Restless]] (i.e. [[Heather Stevens]] and [[Sharon Abbott]]), [[The Bold and the Beautiful]] (i.e. [[Bridget Forrester]], [[Donna Forrester]]), [[Days of our Lives]] (i.e. [[E.J. DiMera]] and [[Max Brady]]), and some on [[All My Children]] (i.e. [[Kendall Hart]], and [[Krystal Carey]]). Also, its not a promo shot of Budig, its on ABC done for the character Greenlee. [[User:Candyo32|Candyo32]] ([[User talk:Candyo32|talk]]) 23:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I see that the picture from the ABC site has Rebecca Budig's name in large type, and Greenlee Smythe is in a much smaller font. Imho it does not illustrate the character Greenlee per se. There are other pics from the source that have Greenlee working at Fusion. That would be an unequivocal picture of Greenlee the same as a screen shot is. Fair use wikipedia pics are supposed to be low-res, so a high-res pic of Budig or Greenlee is a violation of wikipedia policy.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 03:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Candyo32, that's still a promotional shot, no matter whether it's more so of Greenlee or Rebecca. I don't have a problem with you using promotional headshots for the main picture, but Wlmg has a point about which rationale, promotional or screenshots, is the strongest.

:Oh, and I agree that there has got to be a better promotional headshot of Greenlee than that. It does not have to be from 2008 either. She still looks the same from however long she's been on this show. Until that "right" promotional headshot is found, the screenshot that is there now should remain. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 17:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

::I'm posting a better image. I hope you and Wlmg approve. [[User:Candyo32|Candyo32]] ([[User talk:Candyo32|talk]]) 01:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
It's very pink, hardly the image for a "bad" girl, but better.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 01:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Katie Peretti - Victoria Hellstrom??? ==

Question..why is Victoria Newman ([[Victoria Newman Hellstrom]]) when clearly she does not use the last name Hellstrom, but yet, Katie Peretti is simple ([[Katie Peretti]]) when clearly she goes by "Katie Peretti Snyder"??? Wikipedia, make up your mind! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TimothyBanks|TimothyBanks]] ([[User talk:TimothyBanks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimothyBanks|contribs]]) 04:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I suggest you move her article and any article not at its common name to its common name. A wrongly moved article is no justification for you wrongly moving articles as well. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 04:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Question ==

I'm still having one more problem, the article entitled [[Sharon Abbott]] is clearly not her common name, when she has been known as and still listed as "Sharon Newman" since 1996. I was planning to leave it like it was until her marriage to "Abbott" ends. And..their is the article of [[Julia Santos Keefer]], is that her common name or is she referred to as [[Julia Santos]]. I note her as being used by both those names. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TimothyBanks|TimothyBanks]] ([[User talk:TimothyBanks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimothyBanks|contribs]]) 23:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Yeah, Sharon Abbott is tricky, because while Sharon Newman is her common name, it's a married name while she is currently married to another man and has not been calling herself Sharon Newman since. I'll let you decide that one.

:Julia hasn't been referred to as Julia Santos Keefer often. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 23:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Can you help? ==

I need help uploading images to my supercouple page. Could you possibly help me with that please? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Showcreator|Showcreator]] ([[User talk:Showcreator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Showcreator|contribs]]) 22:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Once I get to a computer, sure. At this very moment, I am editing from a gaming console (the [[PlayStation 3]]), which does not allow me much editing freedom. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 16:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Update ==

Thanx for the update Flyer22. Take care.[[User:Mcelite|Mcelite]] ([[User talk:Mcelite|talk]]) 17:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)mcelite

== I need help ==

Hey Flyer22. I need help blocking an unregistered user. He continues to remove information on Native American articles and the Black indians article as well. Basically trying to make it seem as if the groups are not related at all.[[User:Mcelite|Mcelite]] ([[User talk:Mcelite|talk]]) 05:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)mcelite
:It's difficult to block IP-address editors if they have dynamic IPs instead of static IPs. With dynamic IPs, they can keep coming back.

:Anyway, I see that you've reported this IP-address editor you speak of to the higher-ups. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 17:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Kids of [[General Hospital]] ==

Right now we have articles on [[Kristina Davis]], [[Molly Lansing]], [[Spencer Cassadine]], [[Cameron Webber]], and [[Jake Spencer]] (for now). None of these characters have ever really done anything though. They rarely speak, and the articles are almost entirely about their parents. Would you be opposed to merging these into a list along the lines of [[Children of Salem, Days of our Lives]]? Yes, that article is a hot mess, but these are really, really bad. The only character that has ever really done anything is Kristina... and that consisted of screaming and becoming catatonic. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 00:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:All of the individual fictional child articles need to be deleted, all of the ''[[All My Children]]'' ones as well, perhaps with the exception of [[Miranda Montgomery]]. Though she has not really done anything either. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. I'm going to be doing a massive deletion later tonight once I've had a chance to look through all of the GH characters to make sure there aren't any others. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 01:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Also, can you do me a favor. Take a look through [[User:Santos25Q]]'s contributions. I found some unbelievably bad moves and reverted most of them, and the last one I moved was [[Brenda Jacks-Morgan]] back to [[Brenda Barrett]]. The majority of them aren't any better than that, and a few are worse. Anyway, check through them if you can. There are a few I haven't reverted ( a Guiding Light character I'm not familiar with) and Holly Sutton (because of redirects). Thanks [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 01:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

==User:72.165.221.122==
Done, but since it's an IP number I can only block it for a short period (I chose 24 hours) rather than permanently. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 16:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know about the IP address complications. Sometimes an IP address or all IP addresses from a certain location are blocked for a long time, but that action punishes anyone else who may use those IP addresses in the future, especially in the case of dynamic IPs. Regardless, thank you for the help. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 16:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Me==
Firstly my dear, as you somehow see yourself as the guardian of Wikipedia, if you choose to report me to other editors, please stick to the facts. I have not been warned by several editors about my conduct - you are the only person who chooses to block everything I have tried to do. If you can produce evidence of myself being warned by other editors, please do. Secondly, you do not own the Bianca Montgomery page - as I'm sure you know that it is against Wikipedia rules to claim ownership of certain articles. I honestly believe that the article is too long, and I have every right in the world to suggest such, and have the issue opened up to a general discussion such as I have done on the Talk Page. You have every right to block my use of swearwords and idiocy, which certain users of the website drive me too some time. However, continued blocking of my Wikipedian right to make my own legitimate suggestions and comments on certain articles will lead to myself reporting you for misuse. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.141.163.186|81.141.163.186]] ([[User talk:81.141.163.186|talk]]) 00:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

=== Me ===

First off, IP, I do not presume to own any article on Wikipedia. Second, I did not say that you've been warned by several editors. Third, each time I have reverted you has been justified. Fourth, you have nothing to report me about. And, finally, you are wrong about the length of the [[Bianca Montgomery]] article, as I've stated on its talk page. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 00:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== [[User:Santos25Q]] ==

Recent disagreements aside, you offered mentorship to this user once his block expires. I'm fairly certain he's been evading his block by editing on a dynamic IP in 76.6X.XXX.XXX range, and has been doing so for some time. There are very similar edits about characters names that have been made by both Santos and the IP over the past couple of months. Look at [[Carly Corinthos]] and then look through the history. The 76 IP has done the exact same name changing without understanding the difference between married names, common names, birth names, or professional names that has been so problematic with Santos. Anyway, comment on his talk page if you'd like... even if its to tell me I'm jumping at shadows. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 18:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, this appears to be [[User:Randy Jaiyan]], a rather prolific Carly Corinthos obsessed sockpuppeteer. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 19:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::I filed a report about this at [[Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Randy_Jaiyan]]. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 22:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== Greenlee's Relationships ==

O.k. so Leo went over the falls and is presumed dead? I have no idea if that was ever made official. I'm going to go out on a limb, and bet that Leo will be brought back to life, or at the very least his long lost devil identical twin will appear, or an imposter with a reasonable facsimile of his face. Is there really a point to including her former names? She is going by Greenlee Smythe correct? I checked the Erica Kane article, and it doesn't get into all her exs and formers in the article intro. Chances are the Greenlee character will be around for decades, and will rack up the marriages. Whadda you think about changing the name to plain Greenlee Smythe?
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 00:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It'd be one of their biggest mistakes if they bring on a recast Leo. Not only that, but we have enough "return from the dead" characters on that show. But, yeah, take Greenlee's married names from the lead. They can go in her infobox instead. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC) I swear for real ABC is using ghost characters as a cost saving measure. Lose your contract, we kill you off, but as a consolation prize you can stay on as a recurrent ghost, i.e. Dixie Martin, Alan Quartermain, and Emily, but she was dead and a hallucination only seen by Nicholas--I digress.[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 04:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I changed it. What do you think of Greenlee Du Pres née Smythe née Du Pres née Lavery Smythe ?
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 04:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Brad Pitt ==

Hi, thanks for informing on what I did. {{small|That's my bad there.}} I re-added the info. and I hope it reads well in the article. Again, thanks for informing me on what I did. ;) --<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User:ThinkBlue|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:White"> &nbsp;ThinkBlue&nbsp;</span>''']] </span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User_talk:ThinkBlue|(Hit]]</span> <span style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User:ThinkBlue/Autograph book|'''BLUE''')]]</span> 16:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:No problem. Thanks for taking care of that. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::You're welcome. ;) --<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User:ThinkBlue|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:White"> &nbsp;ThinkBlue&nbsp;</span>''']] </span><span style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User_talk:ThinkBlue|(Hit]]</span> <span style="font-family:Times New Roman">[[User:ThinkBlue/Autograph book|'''BLUE''')]]</span> 19:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
== Image info. ==

Hey Flyer22, it's been awhile since I've talked to you. I have a question for you, even though I don't know if you're the right person to ask. Recently all character pages of a certain soap opera received promotional pictures (and replaced the screenshots that were in good quality). Are those pictures allowed on Wikipedia?

The rules clearly say ''"Please note that our policy usually considers fair use images of living people that merely show what they look like to be replaceable by free-licensed images and unsuitable for the project. If this is not the case for this image, a rationale should be provided proving that the image provides information beyond simple identification or showing that this image is difficult to replace by a free-licensed equivalent. Commercial third-party reusers of this image should consider whether their use is in violation of the subject's publicity rights."''

I've just noticed that, for example, the [[Bianca Montgomery]] article also has a promotional photograph. So is it then allowed for me to use promotional pics on the ''[[Sunset Beach (TV series)|Sunset Beach]]'' character pages or? [[User:Dmarex|Dmarex]] ([[User talk:Dmarex|talk]]) 15:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, promotional images are fine to use for fictional characters. If they, like screenshots, are being used to display fictional characters for critical commentary, they are fine. And any editor removing them on the basis that they should not be used has a very weak argument. We even have featured film character articles which use promotional images as their main image, such as [[Jason Voorhees]].

:If you visit [[User:TAnthony|TAnthony]]'s talk page, you will see that he has made some great points about this to [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]]. He is quoted as saying:

::"''While it has been established that fair use images are not appropriate in a living performer's article to represent what that person looks like, it is longstanding convention in fictional character articles that screen captures be used (sparingly) under fair use to represent the characters themselves. A freely-licensed image of an actress on the street does not adequately represent a character she has played, prosthetics or not. An image from a [[Harry Potter]] film is an image of [[Harry Potter (character)|Harry Potter the character]], technically not an image of [[Daniel Radcliffe]]. You seem to be saying that no fair use image should be used to illustrate a character, and while that may be a valid opinion, there is no specific wording in policy that backs it up to the point where such images can be removed from articles or deleted without discussion. The prohibition specifies ''living people.'' Articles like [[Pauline Fowler]] rose to Featured status with their images intact because characters are not the same as living people, even if they are portrayed by them.''

::''If you are referring to the use of non-screen captured images like posed publicity photos, the whole reason I asked the question is that I know of no explicit prohibitions in this regard either. I have seen arguments revolving around web site terms of use, or their promotional nature vs. actual program content, but it is a grey area that is not spelled out in policy. Even the language in [[Template:Non-free promotional]] is vague enough to arguably allow their use to represent a character.''"

:And there you have it. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot! [[User:Dmarex|Dmarex]] ([[User talk:Dmarex|talk]]) 18:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Article idea ==

Hi Flyer... I have one more question and I don't know anyone else to ask about this certain idea.

Since I've joined Wikipedia, I've created numerous articles for real-life producers, directors and writers of soap operas, but neither of those articles have quality. To avoid having a million stubs on Wikipedia, would it be a good idea to created one article titled '''''Soap opera writers''''' or '''''Soap opera directors''''' and include a huge list those people, including their credits?

Soaps like ''[[Days of our Lives]]'' have articles like ''Children of Salem'' where they include all of their children, instead of creating a low-quality article for each of the. What do you think, would it be a good idea to develop an article like that? On my userpage, you'll see the title "Created writers, producers, directors articles," a complete list of all articles I created. Wouldn't it be better if they would all be in once place?

I also asked TAnthony about this, but didn't get a response yet. Would this be a good idea? Or should I make a page like that for crew that had one or two credits only? [[User:Dmarex|Dmarex]] ([[User talk:Dmarex|talk]]) 11:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm, I'm really not sure. But it is not like this is against Wikipedia policy or anything, and if you feel very strongly about this, go ahead and give it a try. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 22:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

== Supercouples ==

Of course I couldn't fool a Wikinerd like yourself. But if you'd like to correct several other problems, it could start with the [[Sonny and Carly Corinthos]] article. Why does it redirect to [[Sonny Corinthos]]??? What the hell is wrong with the [[Ridge Forrester]] and [[Brooke Logan]] article?? Their are hundreds of references that refer to them as a supercouple, since the 80's to present (if you know anything about the [[Bold and the Beautiful]]). Those are some real problems, you need to be fixing if you want to do something. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AugustAugust|AugustAugust]] ([[User talk:AugustAugust|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AugustAugust|contribs]]) 00:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I replied on the user's talk, telling the user to channel their negative attacks into research and writing. [[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">Ani</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 00:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
==The lovely Kim Delaney==
IMDb gives her birthdate as 29 November 1958, but the NYTimes says [http://movies.nytimes.com/person/18385/Kim-Delaney/biography 29/11/1961]. I'd go with the Times, as that seems the most reliable. [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B06E3D71430F931A1575AC0A9649C8B63&scp=3&sq=Kim%20Delaney&st=cse This article,] also from the Times (September 2002) lists her as 40, which is further verification of the November 1961 birthdate. Hope that helps. [[User:Jeffpw|Jeffpw]] ([[User talk:Jeffpw|talk]]) 06:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks a lot. It does. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 08:48, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
::Could you please weigh in on Kim's talk page about her age? There's a revert war going on. [[User:Jeffpw|Jeffpw]] ([[User talk:Jeffpw|talk]]) 04:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll be there soon. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 05:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


== [[User:MoranRAV4]] ==


As someone familiar with the whole Santos25Q/Randy Jaiyan fiasco, would you mind keeping an eye on this user. He's already targeted Carly Corinthos, messed up an actors name, made some inappropriate redirects, and is in general continuing Randy's destructive editing patterns. Maybe I'm jumping at shadows (I'm not), but I just don't have the energy to focus on this guy right now (I'm clocking about 14 hours of flying time this week with the holiday). In between celebrations, flights, and much needed naps I'll be checking in on him, but ''really'' don't want to thave to deal with this until I'm back home and able to get re-acclimated to pacific time. Thanks, [[User:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">ni</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 20:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


==Comment==
=== Early years ===
Indiana's state government in Corydon founded Indiana University in 1820 as the "State Seminary". It was originally located at what is now called Seminary Square Park near the intersection of Second Street and College Avenue.<ref>http://bloomington.in.gov/documents/viewDocument.php?document_id=288</ref> The 1816 Indiana state constitution required that the [[Indiana General Assembly|General Assembly]] (Indiana's [[State legislature (United States)|state legislature]]) create a "general system of education, ascending in a regular gradation, from township schools to a state university, wherein tuition shall be gratis, and equally open to all." It took some time for the legislature to fulfill its promise, partly due to a debate regarding whether the Indiana Territory's land-grant [[public university]]—what is now [[Vincennes University]]—should be adopted as the State of Indiana's public university or whether a new public university should be founded in Bloomington to replace the territorial university. While the original state-issued legislative charter for IUB was granted in 1820, construction began in 1822; the first professor was hired in 1823; classes were offered in 1824. The first class graduated in 1830. Throughout this period and until the rechartering of Vincennes University from a four-year institution to a two-year institution in 1889, a legal-cum-political battle was fought between the territorial-chartered public university in Vincennes and the State of Indiana on behalf of the state-chartered public university in Bloomington, including the legal case ([[Trustees for Vincennes University v Indiana]], 1853) which was appealed to the [[Supreme Court of the United States]].
To start with, can you stop banging on about all these articles you have "greatly improved". Put your ego and arrogance away for two minutes and start behaving normally. And put your paranoia away as well. Not that I need to justify myself, but believe it or not, I don't spend my whole time tracing you over Wikipedia and pouncing on your articles with glee - to be honest I wouldn't even know where to start if I chose to track down all your articles - not that they are yours as that is against Wikipedia rules. If you really must know, I stumbled across the TomKat article entirely innocently through a link which I believe was on the Victoria or David Beckham page which I was reading. I was aghast that such a page as ridiculous as TomKat was allowed to exist and decided to put my views forward - which I have every right to do. I did not know you were involved until you starting banging on in your usual manner about how everyone else is wrong and you are right. Basically, to stay away from your article or else. And please don't pull out all the old excuses, I vandalised an article, I was rude, your references were correct, something doesn't need a reference, I am doing it on purpose just out of spite, that you know the rules and I don't....I, and from what I gather so have many other poor souls, have heard it enough times from you. Just allow a debate on the deletion of an article, or a discussion on questionable references run it's natural course in a civilised manner. I have never initally made my requests personal - I ask for a reference and walk away, so don't try to make out that all my contributions are being made out of spite
On, and Flyer22, please note - If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly by others, '''do not submit it'''. [[User:Againstreason|Againstreason]] ([[User talk:Againstreason|talk]]) 23:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


IU developed rapidly in its first years. The hiring of [[Andrew Wylie (IU)|Andrew Wylie]], its first president, in 1828 signified the school's growing professionalism. The General Assembly changed the school's name to "Indiana College" in the same year. In 1838 the legislature changed the school's name for a final time to Indiana University.
:Take that bull elsewhere. I don't believe most of what you stated. And why don't you stop acting like a damn child? Your pitiful excuses of just trying to help these articles makes me roll my eyes. No "poor souls" have been beaten up by me. As for the TomKat article being whatever you consider it, it's quite obvious that enough editors disagree with you. I will also respond to your idiocy on the talk page again.


Wylie's death in 1851 marks the end of the university's first period of development. IU now had nearly a hundred students and seven professors. Despite the university's more obviously secular purpose, presidents and professors were still expected to set a moral example for their charges. It was only in 1885 that a non-clergyman, biologist [[David Starr Jordan]], became president.
:Oh, and your constant practice of trying to teach me, an experienced Wikipedia editor, Wikipedia rules is quite laughable! Especially your acting as though I feel I own these articles, simply because I watch over them, and continue to improve them. My ego is in check. '''You haven't done crap on Wikipedia''', but nag and add tags where they aren't needed. Me, paranoid? I'm not the only damn one who spotted your childishness of showing up at these articles I've significantly worked on. Leave me the hell alone, damn it! I don't even care if you manage to delete the TomKat article. Boo freaking hoo! [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 23:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


Between Wylie and Jordan's administrations, the University grew slowly. Few changes rocked the university's repose. One development is interesting to modern scholars: the college admitted its first woman student, [[Sarah Parke Morrison]] in 1867, making IU the one of the first state universities to admit women on an equal basis with men. Morrison went on to become the first female professor at IU in 1873.
::I really hope you are a teenager, otherwise you need serious psychiatric help [[User:Againstreason|Againstreason]] ([[User talk:Againstreason|talk]]) 17:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:::No, you are/do, you ignorant pest. Now run off. I have more important matters to attend to, like the [[pedophilia]] article. Or are you going to follow me there as well, and pretend you know something about that, too? I suppose you'll act as though I don't get along with the editors there either? Well, to the contrary, you ass. I work really well with those contributers and with contributers in other places on Wikipedia. It is only you who make me out to be [[satan]]. You are pathetic, and your [[WP:CANVASSING]] in the [[TomKat]] article debate proves it, as well as your persistent need to occupy yourself with me.


=== In mid-passage ===
:::Now begone, pest. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 17:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:SampleGates IUBloomington.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The Sample Gates, marking the entrance to the Old Crescent, the site of IU's historic campus buildings built between 1884 and 1908]]
::::Oh, and isulting all teenagers, as if they are all idiotic, immature children? Double pathetic. Maybe you were a complete empty-headed individual at 13 to 19, but that does not go for the rest of teenage society. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
In 1883, IU awarded its first Ph.D. and played its first intercollegiate sport, baseball, prefiguring the school's future status as a major research institution and a power in collegiate athletics. But another incident that year was far more important to the university: the university's original campus in Seminary Square near the center of Bloomington burned to the ground. Instead of rebuilding in Seminary Square, as had been the practice following previous blazes, the college was rebuilt between 1884 and 1908 at the far eastern edge of Bloomington. (Today, Bloomington has expanded eastward, and the "new" campus is once again at the center of the city.)


The first extension office of IU was opened in [[Indianapolis]] in 1916. In 1920/1921 the [[Jacobs School of Music|School of Music]] and the School of Commerce and Finance (what later became the [[Kelley School of Business]]) were opened. In the 1940s Indiana University opened extension campuses in [[Kokomo, Indiana|Kokomo]] and [[Fort Wayne, Indiana|Fort Wayne]]. The controversial [[Kinsey Institute]] for sexual research was established in 1947.
== Myth ==


== Campus ==
What do you think would be the best way forward concerning the most csa > pedophile myth? I provided a load of sources and they seemed to insult someone's worldview. Do you know whether editors such as Springeragh or ScienceApologist would be able to opine in an informed manner? [[User:ForesticPig|forest<b>PIG</b>]] 01:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
The IU campus is considered one of the most beautiful college campuses in the nation, with its abundance of flowering plants and trees and graceful, limestone buildings. Art critic [[Thomas Gaines]] called IU one of America's five most beautiful universities in ''The Campus as a Work of Art''.
:FP, why dont you bring your sources tot he talk page rather than directly to the article. Thanks, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 01:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm, I'm not sure, ForesticPig. You should present all you have to say on this matter on the [[Talk:Pedophilia|Pedophilia talk page]], though. Of course. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:::This is a comment directly addressed towards something another editor may know about. Flyer22 has been actively editing (although maybe not watching) this article for far longer than I have. [[User:ForesticPig|forest<b>PIG</b>]] 23:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


IUB's 1,933 acres (7.8 km²) includes abundant green space and historic buildings dating to the university's reconstruction in the late nineteenth century. The campus rests on a bed of [[Indiana limestone]], specifically [[Salem limestone]] and [[Harrodsburg limestone]], with outcroppings of [[St. Louis Limestone|St. Louis limestone]]. The "Jordan River" is a stream flowing through the center of campus. It is named for [[David Starr Jordan]], [[Darwinism|Darwinist]], [[ichthyologist]], and president of IU and later [[Stanford University]].
== [[John Paul McQueen and Craig Dean]] ==


[[Image:StudentBuilding IUBloomington.jpg|thumb|left|250px|The Indiana University Student Building (right) is listed on the [[National Register of Historic Places]]]]
I don't know if you're interested, but I've created an article for [[John Paul McQueen and Craig Dean]], who are a popular couple in the UK. --[[User:Silvestris|Silvestris]] ([[User talk:Silvestris|talk]]) 01:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
=== Facilities and architecture ===
:I heard of them, and looked to add them to the [[List of fictional supercouples]], but no valid reference refers to them as a supercouple. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Many of the campus's buildings, especially the older central buildings, are made from [[Indiana limestone]] quarried locally. The [[Works Progress Administration]] built much of the campus's core during the Great Depression. Many of the campus's buildings were built and most of its land acquired during the 1950s and 1960s, when first soldiers attending under the [[GI Bill]] and then the [[baby boom]] swelled the university's enrollment from 5,403 in 1940 to 30,368 in 1970.
::That is also why I removed your addition of having added them to that list. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe it's because the term 'supercouple' isn't really used in the UK? (I'm just guessing; I don't know that for sure) --[[User:Silvestris|Silvestris]] ([[User talk:Silvestris|talk]]) 14:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


The [[Bryan House]] is the traditional on-campus home of the university president. In the 17,000-seat [[Assembly Hall (Bloomington)|Assembly Hall]] (home to the IU [[National Collegiate Athletic Association|NCAA]] basketball team), there are five [[NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship]] banners on display. (For more on athletic facilities, see [[Indiana Hoosiers]].)
== Damien Spinelli and Maxie Jones ==


The 1979 movie ''[[Breaking Away]]'' was filmed on location in Bloomington and the IU campus. It also featured a reenactment of the annual Little 500 bicycle race.
I found a supercouple reference for Damien Spinelli and Maxie Jones.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 06:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Blogs are not reliable sources per Wikipedia policy, unless they are from reputable sources, like ''[[TV Guide]]''. Blogs can be used when sourcing something an actor/performer said on his or her official blog, but not for proof that their couple is a supercouple when that person is the one making the claim. Most importantly, that reference does not directly call Damien and Maxie a supercouple, but rather says they are destined to be the next ''[[General Hospital]]'' supercouple, which means it has not happened yet.


=== Indiana Memorial Union ===
:And, oh, characters by themselves do not go in [[:Category:Soap opera supercouples]]; characters who have supercouple articles do.
The {{convert|500000|sqft|m2|sing=on}} Indiana Memorial Union (IMU), the second largest student union in the United States, is the campus centerpiece — a place where students go to study, relax, eat, sleep, bowl, play pool, watch movies, and even shop. In addition to numerous stores and restaurants, it features an eight-story student activities tower, a 186-room hotel, a 400-seat theatre, a {{convert|5000|sqft|m2|sing=on}} Alumni Hall, {{convert|50000|sqft|m2}} of meeting space, and a Starbucks. Nearly 20,000 people go through the Union on a typical school day. The IMU houses an outstanding collection of Indiana art including artists from Brown County, the [[Hoosier Group]], [[Richmond Group]] and others.


=== The Fine Arts Library ===
:And don't take this personally. I'm not trying to make this tough for you; it's just how Wikipedia is, with good reason.
The Fine Arts Library houses Indiana University's books and journals in the fields of the visual arts, art history, architecture, design and related disciplines and supports the academic needs of the Henry Radford Hope School of Fine Arts, and the Indiana University Department of Fine Arts. The collection comprises over 130,000 volumes and 390 periodicals, including collections of circulating slides and plates and a non-circulating collection of over 900 artists' books.


IU's first Fine Arts Library was established in the late 1930s as part of the Departmental office on the second floor, east wing of the University Library which was then located in Franklin Hall. The Fine Arts Library has gone through many changes and now comprises over 100,000 volumes and 390 periodicals, including collections of circulating slides and plates and a non-circulating collection of over 500 artists' books.
:And you should go ahead and redirect that article. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
==Kim Redux==


=== Herman B Wells Library ===
This anon editor continues to revert the sourced content, giving a general link to Intellius.com and to IMDb (whioh has been proven to be an unreliable source). Your assistance would be appreciated. I plan on moving for his block if he continues. [[User:Jeffpw|Jeffpw]] ([[User talk:Jeffpw|talk]]) 17:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
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:Yeah, headed there now. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 02:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
IU's [[Herman B Wells]] Library is the 13th largest university library in North America. Prior to a ceremony in June 2005 when it was renamed for IU's beloved former president and chancellor, this building was simply called the Main Library. Built in 1969, the building contains eleven floors in the graduate tower and five floors in the undergraduate tower. The building also contains the Information Commons, a fully-integrated technology center for learning and collaboration which attracts 82 percent of all undergraduate students. (IU Libraries recently earned their highest ranking ever, advancing to 12th place in a survey of North American academic research libraries.)


An oft-repeated [[urban legend]] holds that the library sinks over an inch every year because when it was built, engineers failed to take into account the weight of all the books that would occupy the building. The [http://www.libraries.iub.edu IU Bloomington Libraries website] even hosts an [[official]] page dedicated to [http://www.indiana.edu/~libweb/campus/libsink.html debunking this myth], stating, among other things, that the building's foundation rests squarely on a 94 ft (28.6 m) thick [[limestone]] bedrock.
==Deleted replies==
I notice you edited part of what you wrote pointing out that I'd asked some questions which were deleted. I see it as problematic retconning it like that, and a bit insulting too considering the thought I put into the inquiries. Jack can't just censor stuff like that. [[User:Tyciol|Tyciol]] ([[User talk:Tyciol|talk]]) 05:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:There was no censorship, any talk page comments that were deleted was accidental. My intention was only to undo the major formatting changes to the talk page, not to delete anyone's comments. There is an apology on my talk page where Tyciol mentioned this to me. --[[User:Jack-A-Roe|Jack-A-Roe]] ([[User talk:Jack-A-Roe|talk]]) 05:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::Replies. Yes. I was tempted to add back your comments, Tyciol, but it seemed like too much work due to my laziness at the time. I was aggravated myself about the removal of all those replies you made in those edits and thought Jack had seen your comments, but that he was so annoyed by your having restructed parts of other people's headings and comments, that he just reverted it all without going through the frustrating task of adding your comments in with the restoration. I only assumed Jack had seen your comments due to a few of those edit summaries having stated that you were replying, and because I always double check the differences between big edits I make, so that I can see any mistakes I have made, like typos, etc. But Jack says that he did not mean any malice in what he did, and I feel that it is best for us to assume good faith on this matter.


=== The Lilly Library ===
::Furthermore, I really do not believe that Jack was trying to censor you. I saw nothing in your replies that would urge someone to censor them. Besides, Jack is not that kind of editor. After all, he lets pedophiles make talk page comments without reverting their edits, as well as editors he might have suspicions of being pedophiles. Your comments were not as bad as some of those; your comments were not bad at all. You should definitely re-add them. And if you do, I'll withdraw that little add-on I made to one of my comments and make that brief reply after yours. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The Lilly Library is one of the largest rare book and manuscript libraries in the United States. Founded in 1960 with the collection of J.K. Lilly, owner of [[Eli Lilly and Company|Lilly Pharmaceuticals]] in [[Indianapolis]], the library now contains approximately 400,000 rare books, 6.5 million manuscripts, and 100,000 pieces of sheet music.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.indiana.edu/~liblilly/collections.shtml|title=The Lilly Library: The Collections|accessdate=2007-08-09|publisher=''Indiana University'' (Bloomington, Indiana)}}</ref> The library's holdings are particularly strong in British and American history and literature, Latin Americana, medicine and science, food and drink, children's literature, fine printing and binding, popular music, medieval and Renaissance manuscripts, and early printing. Notable items in the library's collections include the New Testament of the Gutenberg Bible, the first printed collection of Shakespeare's works, [[John James Audubon|Audubon's]] [[Birds of America (book)|Birds of America]], one of 25 extant copies of the "First Printing of the Declaration of Independence" (also known as the "Dunlap Broadside") that was printed in Philadelphia on [[July 4]], [[1776]], George Washington's letter accepting the presidency of the United States, Abraham Lincoln's desk from his law office, a leaf from the famous Abraham Lincoln "Sum Book" ca. 1824-1826, [[Philip Dormer Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield|Lord Chesterfield's]] letters to his son, the manuscripts of Robert Burns's "Auld Lang Syne", J. M. Synge's ''The Playboy of the Western World'', and J. M. Barrie's ''Peter Pan'', and typescripts of many of [[Ian Fleming|Ian Fleming's]] James Bond novels. The library also owns the papers of Hollywood directors [[Orson Welles]] and [[John Ford]], the poets [[Sylvia Plath]] and [[Ezra Pound]], and authors [[Edith Wharton]] and [[Upton Sinclair]]. In 2006, the library received a collection of 30,000 mechanical puzzles from [[Jerry Slocum]]. The collection will be on permanent display. Special permission is not required to use the collections, and the library has several exhibition galleries which are open to the public.


[[Image:5a08751r.jpg|thumb|right|Indiana University Auditorium in 1942]]
== Help with [[Lily Walsh Snyder]] ==


=== IU Auditorium ===
The anonymous user [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.173.36.200 72.173.36.200] keeps on adding a "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lily_Walsh_Snyder&oldid=228892943#Character_Summary character timeline]" to Lily's article.
<!-- Unsourced image removed: [[Image:Iuaud.jpg|thumb|left|250px|The IU Auditorium{{replacethisimage}}]] -->Built as a federal [[Works Progress Administration]] (WPA) project, the auditorium - located in the heart of campus - opened on [[March 22]], [[1941]]. Designed by architects [[Eggers & Higgins]], it has been host for the last sixty years to the world's top performers and entertainers. The Auditorium is also home to [[Thomas Hart Benton (painter)|Thomas Hart Benton]]'s "Century of Progress" murals, painted for the [[Century of Progress|1933 Chicago World's Fair]], the priceless Dailey Family Memorial Collection of Hoosier Art, and two [[Robert Laurent]] sculptures. It is also home to the 4500 pipe Schantz Organ, which is played for university ceremonies and other special events. Closed for a $13 million renovation and restoration in 1997, the Auditorium reopened in 1999.


[[Image:IU Art Museum.JPG#filelinks|thumb|left|250px|The IU Art Museum]]
When I pointed out how the other soap character's articles weren't written that way (never mind the fact his writing his littered with grammatical and spelling errors), he said "i plan on changing all characters like this." So I don't know if he's going to go after other articles as well. --[[User:Silvestris|Silvestris]] ([[User talk:Silvestris|talk]]) 23:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
:That IP doesn't seem like a problem yet. Report him or her if he or she continues. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


=== IU Art Museum ===
== [[User:UndersonJack]]/[[User:Santos25Q]]/[[User:Randy Jaiyan]] ==
The IU Art Museum was first established in 1941 with a later building being designed by the world-renowned architecture firm [[I.M. Pei]] and Partners. In its unique design, it has no right angles in its construction. Completed in 1982, the museum collection of over 30,000 objects includes works by [[Claude Monet]] and [[Jackson Pollock]]. The museum has particular strengths in the art of Africa, Oceania, the Americas, Ancient Greece and Rome, and Early Modernism, and its collections of works on paper (prints, drawings and photographs). The IU Art Museum is also ranked as one of the top five university art museums along with [[Stanford University|Stanford]], [[Harvard University|Harvard]], [[Princeton University|Princeton]], and [[Yale University|Yale]].{{Fact|date=January 2008}}


Notable artists who have their work displayed there include [[Marcel Duchamp]], [[Pablo Picasso]], and [[Henri Matisse]].
Flyer, at this point, it has become clear that the user has no intention of leaving Wikipedia so any interaction on user talkpages is unnecessary. I entertained several theories about him (obsessive compulsive? autistic? non-native speaker? pre-teen?), but he's just a troll. Look at some of the moves he made as [[User:Santos25Q]]. He "lost" his little war with KellyAna and has now returned to fuck with whoever is willing to give him attention. Best bet, [[Wikipedia:Revert, block, ignore|revert, block, and especially ignore]] (and in our cases get someone else to block). I've decided that int he future, unless I have to file yet another checkuser, not to refer to him by any of his names so he won't get the recognition he craves. [[User:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">ni</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 19:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks, AniMate. And good advice. Most definitely. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


=== Neal-Marshall Black Culture Center ===
== Strange message... ==
Founded in 2002, the Neal-Marshall Black Culture Center is named after Marcellus Neal and Frances Marshall, early African American graduates from Indiana University. In addition to the culture center, it is also the home to the African American Cultural Center Library, the African American Arts Institute and the Office of Diversity Education.


=== Lee Norvelle Theatre and Drama Center ===
I suddenly got a message popping up on every page I view pointing me to the talk page of my IP address telling me not to make edits to a page. Of course, I've never even seen the article I was accused of making edit to (until I looked at it in response to the message) What gives and why are you sending me odd messages? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.93.192.153|72.93.192.153]] ([[User talk:72.93.192.153|talk]]) 18:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
In January 2002, IU opened the Lee Norvelle Theatre and Drama Center on the Bloomington campus, adjacent to the old Theatre Building. The building is beautifully designed, and provides state-of-the-art technology, expansive and well-planned workshops, spacious directing and acting studios, and two vital, new performance spaces. The Ruth N. Halls Theatre is a 443-seat proscenium space and is the venue for four season productions each academic year in addition to a University faculty dance concert. The Wells-Metz Theatre is a 236 seat flexible venue which is home to 4 season productions each academic year. An intimate space with audience as close as {{convert|5|ft|m}} from the action, the Wells-Metz has been the location of musicals and large Shakespearean productions, as well as small cast shows. With a full stage trap room and overhead suspension grid, the theatre has become known for its environmental productions with performers playing throughout the space from trap to grid.
:I will inform you (if you do not know) that IP addresses, specifically dynamic IP addresses, are shared by a lot of people. Thus, while you may have not done any wrong under a certain IP address, someone else might have. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


== Greenlee Devane ==
=== Simon Hall ===
On [[October 16]], [[2007]], Simon Hall (Multidisciplinary Science Building Phase I), IU's first new science structure completed in 50 years, was dedicated by [[Eli Lilly and Company|Eli Lilly]]'s CEO Sidnet Taurel. The $55.7 million dollar {{convert|140000|sqft|m2|sing=on}} structure is part of Indiana University's life science initiative. The building will house cell biologists, microbiologists, molecular biologists, geneticists, analytical chemists and biochemists, and biophysicists.


Multidisciplinary Science Building Phase II officially broke ground on [[September 27]], [[2007]] and aims to expand and deepen IU's research operations. The $45.9 million dollar {{convert|128006|sqft|m2|sing=on}} structure is expected to be completed in 2009.
Is there any way to semi-protect the Greenlee page from ip posters? It's in AMC canon that she's not changing her name with this marriage.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 23:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
:The only way to semi-protect her article is if it were receiving constant vandalism. I'm not really sure that the higher-ups would agree to semi-protect that article...considering that the IPs are not necessarily committing vandalism to it when changing the bold text to '''Greenlee Devane''' and rather think that they are helping. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 23:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
"phenom" is not a good usage of the word. Agnes was age 40-42 when she created her soaps.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 23:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:I do not associate phenom with age, but that word (added by that IP) should be removed. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 00:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Nevertheless, the word phenom connotes youth.
[[User:Wlmg|Wlmg]] ([[User talk:Wlmg|talk]]) 00:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


== Academics ==
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{{main|Academic Structure of Indiana University (Bloomington)}}
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IU has over 120 majors and programs ranked in the nation's top 20. 29 graduate programs and four schools at Indiana University are ranked among the top 25 in the country in the ''[[US News & World Report]]'''s Best Graduate Schools 2001–02. ''Time'' magazine named IU its 2001 College of the Year among major research universities. ''Newsweek'' named it the Hottest Big State School in the Nation in 2005. The Institute of Higher Education at Shanghai Jiao Tong University ranked Indiana University as the 90th best university in the world.<ref>http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm</ref>


Upon assuming leadership of Indiana University, one of President [[Adam Herbert]]'s biggest initiatives focused on "mission differentiation" for IU's eight campuses, which includes making the flagship Bloomington campus choosier among freshman applicants. Under the proposal, IUB would educate the professionals, executives and researchers while the regional campuses would educate the state's remaining labor force. Advocates believe it will rejuvenate Indiana's economy while critics argue it betrays the university's mission of educating more of Indiana's populace.<ref>{{cite news |title=IU needs brave leader for road ahead|publisher=The Indianapolis Star |date=2005-09-25}}</ref>
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The university's academic system is divided into one large "College" (which itself contains one school) and twelve other schools and divisions. Together, these thirteen units offer more than 900 individual degree programs and majors.
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=== College of Arts and Sciences ===
== Senior cast members? ==
The College of Arts and Sciences, known as the College, is the largest of the University's academic divisions, and is home to more than 40 percent of IU's undergraduates. In addition, the College offers many electives and general education courses for students enrolled in most other schools on campus. There are more than 50 academic departments in the College, encompassing a broad range of disciplines from the traditional (such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and English) to more modern and specialized areas, including Jewish Studies, [[History and Philosophy of Science]], and International Studies. Through the College, IU also offers instruction in over 40 foreign languages, one of the largest language study offerings at any [[United States|American]] university. IU is the only university in the nation that offers a degree in Hungarian (although it was done through the Individualized Major Program) and is the first university in the United States to offer a doctorate in [[gender Studies]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://insidehighered.com/news/2005/11/10/gender|title=Indiana Creates First Gender Studies Ph.D.|accessdate=2007-08-09|date=2004-11-10|publisher=''Inside Higher Ed'')}}</ref> The university's catalog at one time boasted that a student could study any language from Albanian to Uzbek. The College is the parent division for fifteen individual research institutes, and holds the distinction of being the only academic division within the university to house an autonomous school (The Henry Radford Hope School of Fine Arts) within it. A number of first- and second-year students from the [[Indiana University School of Medicine]] (which is based at [[IUPUI]]) complete their preclinical education at the Bloomington campus's Medical Science Program, which is housed within the Department of [[Biology]] and the Indiana Molecular Biology Institute. The College is also home to the Department of [[Folklore]] and [[Ethnomusicology]], the first formally established academic department in folklore at any United States university, and the only such department to integrate these two practices into one field. IU also features a world-class [[cyclotron]], the [[Indiana University Cyclotron Facility]], operated by the Department of Physics. The College also houses IU's Department of Theatre and Drama which offers a Bachelor of Arts in Theatre, a Master of Fine Arts in Acting, Directing, Playwriting or Design/Technology, and as of the 2007-2008 school year, a BFA in Musical Theatre. The highly selective BFA program provides the rigorous curriculum needed to train students in acting, singing and dancing.


=== School of Law ===
I should probably just take this to the WikiProject page, but it just doesn't get that much traffic. What do you think about the "Senior cast members" field in the soap infobox? It just seems vague and ill-defined to me. Are we going with actors who appeared earliest or actors who have been on the show the longest? Take some Days actors. [[Frances Reid]] has been on the show the longer than anyone and also has the earliest appearance. Aside from Reid, [[Suzanne Rogers]] appeared on the show earlier than everyone else in the cast, but has left several times. Other long time actors with extended absences include [[Peggy McCay]], [[Deidre Hall]], [[Drake Hogestyn]], and [[James Reynolds]]. All actors who have been on the show for ages, but all have left for considerable amounts of time. So are Rogers and the rest considered senior cast members? Just curious about your thoughts on this.


The [[Indiana University School of Law - Bloomington]], founded in 1842, is one of the oldest schools on the Bloomington campus. It features a law library recently ranked first in the nation and is situated on the southwest corner of campus. In 2000, then-Chief Justice [[William Rehnquist]] presided over a mock trial of King Henry VIII in the school's [[moot courtroom]]. In the 2007 ''[[U.S. News & World Report]]'' rankings, the school was ranked 36th in the nation among law schools and 15th in public law schools.<ref>
FWIW, I'm using Reid an an example since she is an original cast member, much like la Lucci and Ray MaDonnell at AMC, so its clear cut. I guess I'm trying to figure out parameters for shows without original cast members. [[User:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">ni</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 20:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
{{cite web|url=http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php
:I really don't know what to make of that, AniMate. I wish that I had more to say on this matter, because I like to give "real" responses, but my mind is drawing a blank about this at the moment. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 21:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
|title=America's Best Graduate Schools 2008|accessdate=2007-08-09|date=2007-11-10|publisher=''U.S. News & World Report'')}}</ref> Notable alumni from the School of Law include songwriter [[Hoagy Carmichael]], Supreme Court Justice [[Sherman Minton]], and Vice-Chairman of the 9/11 Commission and former congressman [[Lee Hamilton]].
::To the WikiProject I go! [[User:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">ni</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 21:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


=== School of Library and Information Science ===
== Soaplife reference ==


The IU School of Library and Information Science was recently ranked by ''U.S. News & World Report'' as the 7th best program of its type in the nation.<ref>{{cite news|title=U.S. News rankings good news for IU schools|last=Hinnefeld|first=Steve|publisher=The Herald-Times (Bloomington, Indiana)|date=2006-03-31}}</ref>
Hi. Regarding the Soaplife reference, can you please provide an URL for where the "supercouple" bit is referenced? Without it, it makes the reference pointless. ~~ [[User:JGXenite|<span style="color: #AB0F31">[Jam]</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:JGXenite|<span style="color: #000000;">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 17:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:It does not make the reference pointless. It's common practice on Wikipedia that not every reference needs a url to be valid. More than that, not every article in a magazine issue is available online. In fact, the majority are not. Citing magazines or books without a url is completely valid and not pointless because the source exists with or without a url. See [[List of fictional supercouples]], and countless other articles on Wikipedia for examples. One example would be the [[Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone]] article. Take the ''[[TV Guide]]'' reference for TV's Best Same-Sex Kisses that is present within that article. A Google check can prove that that article existed/exists, because it was mentioned on so many other websites/forums, where people were talking about that ''TV Guide'' article. That article was available online, but it is not anymore. And there is currently no reliable source online to use as a url showing that that article existed/exists (unless you count TV.com, which shows that the article existed/exists but no longer has the article because it was linking to the TVGuide.com source as well). Thus, the reference in the Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone article was formatted in a way where a url is not used for that reference. The lack of a url does not make that reference any less true. The [[Jason Voorhees]] article, which is a featured article, is another example of citing without urls. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 03:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
::OK, that's fair enough. However, the source (in my opinion) still isn't accurate enough. Is it possible to be any more accurate? Perhaps pointing to an exact date when it was published? Maybe I'm being a bit pedantic, but it seems that a source should really be as accurate as possible regarding when it was originally published, so that someone else could go back and find that exact article (not that I think anyone would!) ~~ [[User:JGXenite|<span style="color: #AB0F31">[Jam]</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:JGXenite|<span style="color: #000000;">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 08:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I get what you mean. However, while I was gathering references to improve the [[John Paul McQueen and Craig Dean]] article, several fans of that romance relayed to me that the couple has been referred to as a [[supercouple]] in the 2007 issue of ''[[Soaplife]]''. Mostly that it was/is titled ''The latest breaking news about Hollyoaks''.


=== Jacobs School of Music ===
:::Because I do not live in the [[United Kingdom]], I knew that I was going to have to contact fans of the couple who do so that I could get as much additional information on this couple as possible. Most of them just cited online articles that I had already gathered, then several cited the ''Soaplife'' reference we're talking about, though did not have the exact date it was published. I doubt that they were lying; being honest about all these sources except one. Do you feel that that reference should not be used just because I have not seen the actual reference myself? If so, I do not believe that that is the best route to take. And even though it is unlikely, someone who has that issue might come along and add the exact date for that reference. I am still contacting ''Hollyoaks'' fans to get more information on this reference, just so you know.
{{main|Jacobs School of Music}}
Founded in the beginning of the 20th century by Charles Campbell, the Jacobs School of Music is consistently regarded as one of the best college music schools in the United States. It especially excels in voice, opera, orchestral conducting, and jazz studies. It has been ranked #1 in the country tied with [[Juilliard]] and [[Eastman]] by ''[[U.S. News & World Report]]''.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=552554 | title=USNWR 2009 Graduate School Rankings |accessdate=2008-05-20}}</ref>
With more than 1,600 students, the school is the largest of its kind in the US and among the largest in the world. The school's facilities, including five buildings located in the heart of campus, comprise recital halls, more than 170 practice rooms, choral and instrumental rehearsal rooms, and more than 100 offices and studios. Its prestigious faculty has included such notable names as [[János Starker]], [[Andre Watts]], [[Menahem Pressler]], Abbey Simon, Ray Cramer, [[David Baker]], Earl Bates, [[Carol Vaness]], [[Sylvia McNair]], and composer [[Sven-David Sandström]]. Notable alumni include [[violinist]] [[Joshua Bell]], [[Edgar Meyer]], and [[soprano]] [[Angela Brown]].


=== Kelley School of Business ===
:::In any case, I completely get what you mean about a reference without a url being as accurate as possible. Hell, even references with urls, I prefer to be formatted as accurately as possible. The [[Todd Manning]] article, for example, I know that I can get that article to GA (Good Article) status and will soon, but getting it to FA (Featured Article) status may be a problem due to my not having the exact date for [[Roger Howarth]]'s comments in some of the magazines. As a child (starting at age 10), I grew up saving a lot of Todd Manning/Roger Howarth articles, and would cut out the pages to make my own Todd book, often leaving off the page numbers. And considering that I would throw away the magazines after taking out the Todd Manning/Roger Howarth parts, that would often leave me without the issues those pages were in. But I did not think about that as a child, of course. I had no idea that those magazine page numbers and exact names of the articles would be so important for me to have kept, especially for a project like Wikipedia which did not even exist at the time. As a teenager, though, I saved the complete pages more and often the entire magazines.
{{main|Kelley School of Business}}
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The Kelley School of Business was founded in 1920 as the University's School of Commerce and Finance. Approximately 6,100 students are enrolled in undergraduate, graduate Accountancy and Information Systems degrees, [[MBA]] and [[PhD]] programs, and online degree program Kelley Direct.


Kelley is one of the top business schools in the United States. It is one of only three business schools in the nation for whom all undergraduate and graduate programs rank in the top 20 of the ''[[US News & World Report]]'' college rankings. In 2008, ''US News'' ranked the undergraduate program eleventh in the nation (sixth among public schools) and, in 2008, the MBA program 20th in the nation (seventh among public schools). In 2007, the ''[[Wall Street Journal]]'' ranked Kelley's MBA program fifth in the nation among regional programs. Kelley's programs in consumer products, and energy and industrial products and services were second, marketing was third and accounting, eighth. ''[[Business Week]]'' ranked the undergraduate program 16th in 2008 (sixth among public schools) and the graduate program 18th in the nation in 2007 and sixth among public schools. In addition, ''Business Week'' gave the undergraduate program an A in teaching and an A+ career services.
:::But, yeah, I get what you mean about complete accuracy, and understand your feelings about that. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


=== Division of Labor Studies ===
::::If it isn't possible to get the complete date of the reference, then I guess we'll have to live without it. I'm quite happy to leave it there - fingers crossed that someone else will be able to come along and provide the accurate date. I don't want to cause problems with improving the article, especially if that involves removing a source. ~~ [[User:JGXenite|<span style="color: #AB0F31">[Jam]</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:JGXenite|<span style="color: #000000;">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::I hear ya. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 00:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


The Division of Labor Studies, formerly a unit housed within the School of Continuing Studies, was founded in the 1940s during the tenure of Herman B Wells in response to the growing role of organized labor in American society. Today, the Division is one of only several degree-granting programs in the nation for the area of labor studies or industrial relations. Over the past year, the Division has come under increased pressure to move to a larger academic unit, such as the College of Arts and Sciences.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=34505|title=IU's Labor Studies could close|date=2006-03-07|publisher=''Indiana Daily Student'' (Bloomington, Indiana)}}</ref> Notable faculty in recent years have included Leonard Page, General Counsel for the National Labor Relations Board during the Clinton Administration, and labor economist/author [[Michael Yates (economist)|Michael Yates]].
== Re: "Supermodel" article and Janice Dickinson ==


=== School of Education ===
You wrote me on my addition of the word "erroneous" to the aritcle [[supermodel]]. No, it is not POV to add this word to Janice Dickinson's claims of being the first supermodel. It's a fact. Her claims '''''are''''' erroneous. A POV statement would be to say something like "Janice Dickinson is a liar. Her claim is a lie." The sign of '''N'''POV is stating just the facts, blandly. I think the word "erroneous" does that quite well. If Janice ''was'' actually the first supermodel, then you would be correct and the word "erroneous" ''would'' to be pushing a POV. But, as we all know, she wasn't. This fact has been [[WP:Cite sources|cited]] ad nauseam; it is not debatable. If you want to put it another way (i.e. use a word or phrasing besides "erroneous"), that's fine with me. Or, better yet, take the Janice Dickinson stuff out of the section entirely. Since she wasn't the first supermodel, she really has little to no relevance in the sub-section on the origin of "supermodel" (that is to say, the word and the profession itself). It seems that all anyone has to do to be mentioned in this article is to falsely claim to be the first supermodel. If I publish a book with HarperCollins in which I claim to have been the first supermodel, will you add me to the [[supermodel]] page and call "POV!" when people add the word "erroneous" next to my claim? Of course not. So let's just cut Janice out of the section entirely? Sound OK to you? [[User:Ask123|ask123]] ([[User talk:Ask123|talk]]) 14:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
{{main|Indiana University School of Education}}
:No, it does not sound okay to me. And your adding erroneous to that after that statement is POV, no doubt about it, especially since there is no reference attributed to your stating erroneous. As I already stated on your talk page, your POV word is also completely unneeded. Also, do not come to my talk page with an attitude, as if I am defending [[Janice Dickinson]]; I am simply following Wikipedia policy. And a big part of that is no POV. Your POV addition of that word in that part of the Supermodel article is particularly unneeded. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 15:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:::And, oh-looky, another editor has called your type of addition, which was recently added back by an IP (was it you?) POV as well.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Supermodel&diff=234009158&oldid=233967518] Needless to say, that editor reverted that and other mess. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 15:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::::And you say, "If Janice ''was'' actually the first supermodel, then [I] would be correct and the word 'erroneous' ''would'' to be pushing a POV"? Whaaaaaaaaat? Uh, no, then that would be just plain false. POV is anything where an editor (or anyone) is adding his or her own thoughts to something of fact. Saying "Best couple"...."ludicrous claim"..."Greatest supermodel" are all examples of POV. That said, if we have valid sources backing up any of that POV, then we attribute those sources to those statements or titles. We would not say that [[Brad Pitt]] and [[Angelina Jolie]] are the best celebrity couple in the world. We would say that ''[[People (magazine)|People magazine]]'' has cited Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie as "the the best celebrity couple in the world". Or not mention it at all. In the same way that we do not (well, you apparently do, but, still against Wikipedia policy to) put that "Janice Dickinson has erroneously claimed" blah, blah, blah... If a valid source specifically states that her claim is erroneous, then we state that that source has stated Dickinson's claim to be erroneous. Your addition of erroneous is not even anywhere close to being needed, anyway, considering that (like I stated on your talk page) readers can easily see that her claim is clearly disputed. I mean, jeez. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 15:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Woa, woa...pipe down, buddy. You're way out of line! '''[[WP:Assume good faith|AGF]]'''! Tone down the ad hominem arguing. I responded to your comment on my talk page that way we don't have to go back-and-forth between our talk pages. [[User:Ask123|ask123]] ([[User talk:Ask123|talk]]) 17:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::And, for the record, I did not need to calm down. I was not upset or angry, in any way. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


The School of Education, formerly a part of the College of Arts and Science, has been independent since 1923. One of the largest schools of education in the United States, and consistently placed among the top 20 graduate schools of education in the United States by ''[[US News & World Report|U.S. News]]'', it offers a range of degrees in professional education: a B.S. in teacher education leading to a teaching license, M.S., education specialist (Ed. S.) and doctoral (Ed. D, Ph.D.) degrees.
== Pine Valley Notable Couples Question ==


=== School of Public and Environmental Affairs ===
What is the criteria for listing couples in the notable couples area? I noticed you took Ryan/Greenlee off the notable couples list. Personally I thought they were notable since they have such a long history together. I know they aren't a supercouple, but I would definitely consider Ryan and Greenlee each other's main love interest since they've been in town. Not their most popular but definitely the one they interacted with the most.
{{main|Indiana University School of Public and Environmental Affairs}}
The School of Public and Environmental Affairs (or SPEA) is the largest school of its kind in the United States. Through the wide array of concentrations and joint degrees SPEA offers, students can design an education corresponding to their interests. Founded in 1972, SPEA is known for its distinctive interdisciplinary approach. It brings together the social, natural, behavioral, and administrative sciences in one faculty.


In the most recent "Best Graduate Schools" (2009) survey by [[U.S. News & World Report]], SPEA ranked second and is the nation’s highest-ranked graduate program in public affairs at a public institution. SPEA was ranked just behind Syracuse University and tied with Harvard.<ref>[http://www.iu.edu/~speaweb/news/rankings.php News & Events - School of Public Affairs and Environmental Sciences, IU Bloomington<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> Six of its specialty programs are ranked in the top 10 listings; four others are in the top 20. While similar rankings do not yet exist for graduate schools of environmental science, SPEA's reputation in the field is growing. SPEA is also a founding member of the Council of Environmental Science Deans and Directors.
So back to my question, what's the criteria for that list or is there one?[[User:Rocksey|Rocksey]] ([[User talk:Rocksey|talk]]) 01:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
:Notable would be like the other couples listed -- very popular. JR and Babe may not be a very popular couple at the moment, but they certainly were before. There is no set criteria yet made for the list in that article, except that the couples must be notable. We are going by notable couples, and Ryan and Greenlee are not it. If we were solely going by couples who were together for a few years, then more couples would be on that list. Most of Ryan and Greenlee's history together was not romantic. And Kendall was Ryan's love interest for longer than Greenlee. In all honesty, it makes more sense to put Ryan Lavery and Kendall Hart than Ryan Lavery and Greenlee Smythe. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


SPEA is the only institution in its league with an interdisciplinary character where students can combine [[environmental science]] and [[Public administration|public affairs]]. Indiana University's other highly-ranked schools and programs complement SPEA’s offerings; the school has 15 joint programs in social and natural sciences and professional fields. For example, in conjunction with the Department of Political Science, SPEA offers a Joint Ph.D. Program in [[Public Policy]], the only one of its kind in the country. In addition, it offers many joint Masters degrees, such as MPA/MSES; MPA/JD; and MSES/JD programs.
== Randy might be back ==


=== School of Journalism ===
I think that Randy is back and using a new user name. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:M42380|M42380]] ([[User talk:M42380|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/M42380|contribs]]) 02:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
While not well known for their school of Journalism, IU has brought through multiple sports talk radio students, as well as well-known Sports Broadcaster Dick Enberg.
:LOL. Well, he never stays away for long. We just have to ignore him, and report him. Oh, and revert any unconstructive edits he makes as well, of course, which is not so much ignoring him, I suppose (LOL). [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 03:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


=== School of Informatics ===
== Using edit summaries for discussion ==
In 1999, the Indiana University School of [[Informatics]] was established as an environment for research professors and students to develop new uses for information technology in order to solve specific problems in areas as diverse as biology, fine arts, and economics. Informatics is also interested in "how people transform technology, and how technology transforms us."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.informatics.indiana.edu/overview/what_is_informatics.asp|title=What Is Informatics?|accessdate=2006-06-15|publisher=Indiana University}}</ref>


The School is one of a handful which offer degrees in [[Human-Computer Interaction]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.humanfactors.com/downloads/degrees.asp|title=HCI Degree Programs|accessdate=2006-06-15|publisher=Human Factors International}}</ref> The School is the only one in the country to offer a formal degree which combines [[Human-Computer Interaction]] and [[Computer Security]]. In addition to the innovative HCI/security degree, the School offers master's degrees in Human-Computer Interaction Design, Music Informatics, [[Bioinformatics]], Chemical Informatics, Security Informatics, and [[Computer Science]].
While I sympathize with the points you are making, using edit summaries for discussion like you do [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vegetarianism&diff=prev&oldid=235929505 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vegetarianism&curid=15947701&diff=235931682&oldid=235930896 here] is sort of confusing and not the purpose of edit summaries at all. Comments like that should be made in the actual discussion area, for a host of reasons.


On [[July 1]], [[2005]] the Department of Computer Science officially moved from the College of Arts and Science to the School of Informatics. This move merged several faculty, bringing the total core faculty to over 100. Informatics also has strong ties with the School of Library and Information Sciences, Department of Telecommunications, [[Jacobs School of Music]], and the [[Cognitive Science]] program.
On another note, this discussion is certainly dragging on, and certain editors seem to be preferring long-windedness of their own views to attempting to respect others' views, but I think, slowly, a consensus of sorts is starting to form. So don't let these editors frustrate you too much. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 00:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:I got use to sometimes using edit summaries for discussion when making minor edits, and sometimes I see other editors doing the same, so I have not really seen it as a discouraged thing. I will try to stop doing it or not do it so much around you, if it bothers you.


== Athletics ==
:And thanks for the kind words. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 01:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
{{Main|Indiana Hoosiers}}


[[Image:Basketball.jpg|thumb|right|250px|[[Kent Benson]] scoring for Indiana in a [[Big Ten Conference|Big Ten]] game against [[University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign|Illinois]] in 1977]]
::It surprises me a little that it hasn't been discouraged before. Using edit summaries for discussion separates the discussion into two different places, which can get confusing, and edit summaries ''are'' intended to be used to summarize and explain edits (hence their name). But in any case, it's not a huge deal. Doesn't seem to be a policy anyway. -[[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 01:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
IU's intercollegiate athletics program has a long tradition of excellence in several key sports. From its humble beginnings with baseball in 1867, the Hoosier athletic program has grown to include over 600 male and female student-athletes on 24 varsity teams boasting one of the nation's best overall records. Sports sponsored by the university include [[American football|football]], men's [[basketball]], women's [[basketball]], [[cross country running|cross country]] and [[athletics (track and field)|track]], [[baseball]], [[golf]], [[tennis]], [[Sport rowing|rowing]], [[volleyball]], and more.


The Hoosiers became a member of the prestigious [[Big Ten Conference]] on [[December 1]], [[1899]]. The school's national affiliation is with the [[National Collegiate Athletic Association]] (NCAA). National team titles (now totaling 25; 24 NCAA, 1 [[AIAW]]) have been won in six men's sports and one women's sport (tennis), topped by a record-setting six straight men's swimming & diving titles, seven men's [[soccer]] crowns and five titles in men's [[basketball]]. Indiana student-athletes have won 133 NCAA individual titles, including 79 in men's swimming and diving and 31 in men's [[track and field]]. In addition, IU teams have won or shared 157 [[Big Ten Conference]] championships.
== YouTube ==


The IU athletics endowment is $32 million, the largest in the [[Big Ten Conference]].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/2206.html |title=IU Athletics receives single largest gift in its history |accessdate=2008-05-19}}</ref> The Varsity Club, which is the fundraising arm of the Athletics Department, drew a record $11.5 million in gifts and pledges in the fiscal year 2004–05. In addition, overall annual giving has increased 8.3% in the last year and 44.8 percent in the last three years.
Hi Flyer22. I've removed the YouTube link because I believe it violates [[WP:ELNEVER]] (breaching copyright of the owner) and [[WP:EL#AVOID]] part 8, where you should avoid linking to rich media in articles that aren't specifically about rich media. ~~ [[User:JGXenite|<span style="color: #AB0F31">[Jam]</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:JGXenite|<span style="color: #000000;">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 07:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


In spite of this giving, IU's athletics department has been unable to balance its budget. Because of this the university administration has attempted, thus far unsuccessfully, to double the athletics fee which students pay with their tuition each semester. A number of students argue that the athletics department's financial woes are its own problems, and that support of athletics should be voluntary. Others, especially in the athletics department, argue that athletic programs are an integral part of the university experience, and therefore everyone should pay into it, regardless of whether they are interested in it.
:Eh, I see your point. And, as you know, I asked if you had a problem with that, to let me know. Which you have now done. I still do not see it as a true problem, though, since these intances are a case-by-case matter.


In addition to its rich tradition in intervarsity sports, IU also boasts a strong reputation in many non-varsity sports. Many of these "club" teams, especially those in [[ice hockey]] and [[rugby union]], have achieved a great deal of success in intercollegiate competition. The consistent success of these athletic clubs has several times led the university to establish varsity programs in sports in which there had previously not been a team for NCAA intervarsity competition.
:But while we're on the subject, what do you think, in their article, of my linking to the BAM ([[Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone]]) YouTube channel, which (though deemed by the fans, not [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]]) is actually their official YouTube channel? In that article, I mention how fans of that romance launched a YouTube channel devoted to that couple, and I provided a reference (its YouTube channel) as proof, which is fine. But I also have that YouTube channel linked in the External links section. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 22:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


It should also be noted that a large percentage of the IU student body regularly participates in both formal and/or informal intramural sports, including [[football (soccer)|soccer]], [[tennis]], [[basketball]], and [[golf]]. Among intramural athletics, IU's reputation for student participation and instruction in the [[martial arts]] is particularly strong.
::Apologies at the late reply - I did see your message this morning but I've been busy all day until now.
::Personally, I don't think that unofficial YouTube pages (even those considered official by fans) should be linked to WP. I suppose that they could be used to reinforce the article, perhaps provide alternative resources, but they aren't official and if the authors (Channel 4/Lime Pictures and ABC respectively) decided to take down the unofficial videos, they would be of little use.
::I guess that is more my opinion than official view; as you point out, it should be taken on a case-by-case basis. If you feel the YouTube links reinforce the article and that they are warranted, I'm not going to get into an editing war over it :). ~~ [[User:JGXenite|<span style="color: #AB0F31">[Jam]</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:JGXenite|<span style="color: #000000;">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 18:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Nah, it's fine about the John Paul McQueen and Craig Dean article. As for the Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone article, as mentioned, I'm using that YouTube channel as a reference in the part of the article where I'm specifically addressing the fact that those fans launched a channel for this couple (there is no other valid reference to relay that). But you may be right about my also including that channel in the External links section. I suppose I'll get to see what other editors think about that once I put this article up for Featured Article status. I've got to tweak it some more before I put it up for that title, though. I've long decided to just skip going through Good Article status for that one.


In February 2008 it was announced by the NCAA that Indiana University is under investigation for 5 Major recruiting violations committed by former men's basketball head coach Kelvin Sampson and his coaching staff. These violations arose out of the same conduct previously self-reported to the NCAA by IU officials. The original report included Indiana's belief in Sampson's claim the violations were accidental and due to a misunderstanding concerning the rules. In addition to the original violations, the NCAA's "major" violations claim included an accusation that Sampson had lied to the NCAA and Indiana officials in that original investigation and report. Kelvin Sampson resigned on February 23, 2008, but IU may still face additional consequences in formal NCAA proceedings in the summer of 2008.
:::Anyway, thanks for your reply; it was much appreciated. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 18:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


== Media ==
::::No worries - I don't mind giving my opinion / official viewpoint (if I know it!) so feel free to pester me if you need my advice :). ~~ [[User:JGXenite|<span style="color: #AB0F31">[Jam]</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:JGXenite|<span style="color: #000000;">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 19:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Media outlets of Indiana University include:
*[[WFIU]] radio - public radio including [[NPR]] and local programming, but predominantly [[european classical music|classical music]]
*[[WTIU]] television - [[PBS]] station including national and local programming.
*[[IUSTV]] [http://www.iustv.com] (Indiana University Student Television) - an entirely student run television station broadcasting to over 12,000 on campus residents and over 40,000 Bloomington residents via Community Access Television. Founded in 2002, IUSTV has quickly grown to be a leading media entity and student organization on campus.
*[[Indiana Daily Student]] [http://www.idsnews.com] - free daily newspaper fully supported financially through ad sales. Founded in 1867, it has a circulation of over 15,000 and is produced by IU students.
* [[WIUX-LP|WIUX]] [http://www.wiux.org] - an entirely student run radio station that broadcasts currently on FM 99.1 and via live internet streaming on its website. It broadcasts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week during the fall and spring semesters. Besides playing independent music, the station provides coverage of nine different Indiana University sports teams. The station was established in 1963 under the call letters WQAD. It was granted a low-power FM licence in the spring of 2005, and transitioned to FM in early 2006.
*[http://homepages.indiana.edu/ IU Home Pages], faculty and staff news: In print, the audience includes approximately 17,000 employees on eight campuses—an audience of varied backgrounds and experience such as groundskeepers, hospital workers, Nobel laureates, administrative assistants, clerical, professional and technical workers as well as professors and administrators.


== [[Supercouple]] ==
== Faculty ==
With over 1,823 full-time faculty members, Indiana University leads the [[Big Ten Conference|Big Ten]] public universities in the number of endowed faculty positions, with 333 chairs, professorships, and curators. IUB also reported in fall 2004 that it employed 334 part-time faculty, totaling 1,877 full-time equivalents. Of the full-time faculty, 76% were tenured. Like the student body, IUB's faculty is predominantly white. Of full-time administrators, faculty, and lecturers, 118 (6%) were Asian, 74 (4%) were African-American, 62 (4%) were Hispanic, 5 (0.3%) were Native American, and 1,535 (85%) were "other." More men (62%) than women held academic appointments at the university.


Professors at IUB were better paid than their counterparts in the IU system. A full professor earned an average of $126,500, an associate professor $89,000, and an assistant professor $74,400.
Your edit summaries have been read. I'll start keeping an eye on it. (sigh) Hope life both on and off Wikipedia finds you well. [[User:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">ni</font>]][[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 06:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks, AniMate. I know that when I am again barely on Wikipedia, I will ask a few editors (maybe just two) to help keep an eye on a few articles here for me. Supercouple and [[List of fictional supercouples]] are definitely two.


== Notable faculty and alumni ==
:And I hope that life outside of Wikipedia is treating you good as well. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 06:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
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::Life is nuts. I'm insanely busy, mostly due to teaching. Thank goodness it's "practical" fine arts. The idea of having to teach students facts as opposed to drawing... horrifying. [[User:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">ni</font>]][[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 06:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:::LOL. I'm sure you're doing fine, and you certainly seem to have more of a calm demeanor than me at times. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 07:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I've asked a question about temporary recasts and screen caps over at WikiProject Soaps, and would appreciate it if you would comment. [[User:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Green">ni</font>]][[User talk:AniMate|<font face="papyrus" color="Black">Mate</font>]] 19:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:Okay. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 08:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


==[[Stacey Dash]]==
== References ==
{{reflist}}
If I removed the African-American category (and looking at it now, I did), then that was a careless mistake on my part - I don't doubt that she's African-American - just that other, more rare stuff (West Indian isn't that unlikely, but Aztec?). There are seemingly millions of these random internet sites that copy each other (and they all usually start by copying IMDB or Wikipedia, neither of which is a reliable source). They often give these ethnicity blurbs, some or many of which are either just plain wrong or at least misleading in one way or the other. For pretty much all of these sites, there's no way of knowing who creates the bios or who writes the information on them. As a general principal, I don't see why any piece of information that doesn't at least have an attributed name next to it would be reliable, or why such a source would pass [[WP:Reliable sources]] (which starts off with "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" - Why does Hollywood.com fit that bill?). Newspapers are a good source to look for info, and the Google News archives have newspaper archives going back decades (i.e. [http://news.google.ca/archivesearch?q=%22STACEY+DASH%22&hl=en&sa=N&lnav=m]). If there's nothing on this Aztec or West Indian ancestry, then maybe it's not true; or maybe it is. But either way, it should at least have a reliable source cited to it. [[User:All Hallow&#39;s Wraith|All Hallow&#39;s Wraith]] ([[User talk:All Hallow&#39;s Wraith|talk]]) 06:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:As I pointed out on your talk page, [http://movies.nytimes.com/person/17088/Stacey-Dash The New York Times biography on her] is without an author that we can see and is yet considered a relaible source by Wikipedia.


== External links ==
:Hollywood.com is considered a reliable source by Wikipedia as well; it is not an "anyone can edit site" like Wikipedia and reports valid news.
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*[http://www.iub.edu/ Official website]
*[http://www.iuhoosiers.com/ Official IU athletics website]
*[http://www.iub.edu/~iubmap/IUBcampusmap.pdf Campus map]
*[http://www.indiana.edu/~libarch/iuchron/iuchron.html Chronology of Indiana University history]
*[http://www.indiana.edu/~memento/light.html "Indiana University in the Light of History"] by Indiana University Professor James Capshew
*[http://factbook.indiana.edu/ Indiana University Factbook]
*[http://alumni.indiana.edu/ Indiana University Alumni Association]
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*[http://www.iubguide.com The Unauthorized Guide to IU Bloomington]
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:I am aware that there are seemingly millions of these random Internet sites that copy each other (and they all usually start by copying IMDB or Wikipedia). I mentioned to you that all these sites have coped each other. I do not feel that the part about Stacey Dash being of West Indian and Aztec descent was copied from Wikipedia, though, not originally.
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:If you notice, Hollywood.com is used in her aticle for other information. Why not use it for her ethnicity as well? But, if you prefer, which it seems that you do, that I leave out the part about her being West Indian and Aztec until I find a better source for that, then I will. But it has been stated in magazines such ''[[Essence (magazine)|Essence]]'' that she is of West Indian and Aztec descent, as further elaborating on her "exoctic" features, texture of her hair and color of her eyes. And, as I mentioned, there are hardly any online sites out there of ''[[The New York Times]]'' caliber that note ethnicity. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 19:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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::The New York Times biography is not without an author, nor is it a New York Times biography (see bottom of text). It credits "Lucia Bozzola" of "All Movie Guide" - whether that's a reliable source I don't know. As for the statement "Hollywood.com is considered a reliable source by Wikipedia as well" - what's the evidence for this and what would make this website a reliable source? It has the exact same bio that's on a lot of other sites, including [http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800177232/bio Yahoo.com] and [http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22strikingly+pretty+African-American+young+lead+and+character+player%22&hl=en&filter=0 others]. Who wrote this text and why is that author reliable? Just not being an "anyone can edit" site doesn't make a site reliable. Anyway, if her being West Indian and Aztec was stated in Essence magazine, then why not cite that as a reference? (<nowiki><ref name="">{{cite journal|last=|first=|authorlink=|coauthors=|title=|journal=|volume=|issue=|pages=|publisher=|date=[[2008-07-13]]|url=|doi=|id=ISSN|accessdate=2008-07-13}}</ref></nowiki>) Off-line sources like books or magazines can be used if they are reliable. [[User:All Hallow&#39;s Wraith|All Hallow&#39;s Wraith]] ([[User talk:All Hallow&#39;s Wraith|talk]]) 20:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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:::Other reliable sources are without authors at times. Hollywood.com is considered a reliable source by Wikipedia because it is used by many experienced Wikipedian editors and has not been rejected by Wikipedia, like IMDB has (though IMDB can be used here for a few instances). I am not saying that any site is reliable simply because they are not "anyone can edit" sites. Of course self-published sites are not "anyone can edit" sites either, but are not considered reliable by Wikipedia. I am simply pointing out how Hollywood.com is generally accepted on Wikipedia. Hollywood.com having the same exact biography for Stacey Dash as a lot of other sites, including [http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800177232/bio Yahoo.com] and [http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22strikingly+pretty+African-American+young+lead+and+character+player%22&hl=en&filter=0 others] does not make it an unreliablie site, no more than the [[Rotten Tomatoes]] is for copying Wikipedia biographies or the ''The New York Times'' for copying other sources that may not be as reliable. Reliable sites copying unreliable sites is nothing new. In getting across my point that there are not any references online of ''The New York Times'' caliber about her ethnicity, I even pointed out on your talk page that Yahoo.com has the same biography as Hollywood.com. I was like, "What type of valid sources about her ethnicity are you expecting?"
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:::As for my not using ''Essence'' magazine for stating Dash as being West Indian and Aztec, obviously I do not have the information on the article's title, date, etc. or else I would have used it. I just remember reading it. I mean, of course I am aware that off-line sources like books or magazines can be used if they are reliable; I do that quite often on Wikipedia. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22#top|talk]]) 20:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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::::Why does a site have to be formally "rejected" to become unreliable? And I continue to ask, why is this short biographical blurb that's on a dozen sites reliable? Who wrote it? It's not even Hollywood.com that's being cited, but this blurb of unclear origin (and I still don't know why Hollywood.com itself would be reliable - what makes it a reliable source?) As for "What type of valid sources about her ethnicity are you expecting?" - I often find mentions of ethnicity in newspaper articles about whichever actor or famous person. It's often from these articles, some of which are even a decade old or older (depending on the person), that internet sites glean their info; often I can't find a reference beyond these "millions of random sites" - but then do find it in an old newspaper article. In the Google News archives I pointed you to, I could not find anything on Dash being [http://news.google.ca/archivesearch?q=%22STACEY+DASH%22+WEST+INDIA&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&um=1 West Indian] or [http://news.google.ca/archivesearch?q=%22STACEY+DASH%22+Aztec&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&um=1 Aztec] a few months back, which is why I deleted it then for lack of any good source. But, for example, for [[Susan Lucci]] (just picking a random article you edited recently) - I can find a number of newspaper mentions of her mother being Swedish and father Italian, many dating back to the 1980s [http://news.google.ca/archivesearch?q=%22Susan+Lucci%22+SWEDISH+ITALIAN&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&um=1]. I really recommend the Google News archives - they help me cut through the glut of repetetive websites when I look for references. [[User:All Hallow&#39;s Wraith|All Hallow&#39;s Wraith]] ([[User talk:All Hallow&#39;s Wraith|talk]]) 21:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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Indiana University
MottoLux et Veritas
(Light and Truth)
Typepublic coeducational
Established1820 (details)
EndowmentUS $1.6 billion[1] (2006)
PresidentMichael McRobbie
ProvostKaren Hanson
Academic staff
1,943 full time, 366 part time[2] (2007)
Students38,990[2]
Undergraduates30,394[2] (2007)
Postgraduates8,596[2] (including graduate and professional students) (2007)
Location, ,
Campussmall city: 1,933 acres[2] (7.8 km²)
Athletics24 Div. I/IA NCAA teams
called Hoosiers
ColorsCream and Crimson    
Websiteiub.edu

Indiana University is the flagship campus of the Indiana University system. It is also known as "Indiana University Bloomington," "Indiana," or simply IU, and is located in Bloomington, Indiana.

IU has 110 academic programs ranked in the nation's top 20. Twenty-nine graduate programs and four colleges at Indiana University are ranked among the top 25 in the country in the U.S. News & World Report's Best Graduate Schools 2001-2002. Time magazine named Indiana University its "2001 College of the Year" among major research universities. Indiana is one of 60 members of the Association of American Universities, the leading American research universities. The university's intercollegiate athletic program boasts 25 national championship teams (including seven in soccer, six in swimming and five in basketball) and 133 individual national championships (including 79 in swimming and 31 in track and field).

IU's total student enrollment in the fall semester of 2007 was 38,990 students.[2] Indiana University's freshman experience was recognized by U.S. News & World Report in 2003 as among the best in the country. The tenth annual Newsweek-Kaplan College Guide, which appeared in the August 22, 2005 issue of Newsweek magazine, chose IU as its "Hottest Big State School" and extolled the campus's blend of tradition with emerging technologies. IU was the only Big Ten institution included.[3][4]

USA Today called Bloomington one of the top 10 student-friendly college towns.[5] The university offers the latest in technology: IU was ranked as one of the top five wired universities in America according to Princeton Review and PC Magazine.[6]

Of students enrolled in fall 2006, 1,669 (4.4%) were African-Americans, 1,339 (3.5%) were Asian, 889 (2.3%) were Hispanic, and 105 (0.3%) were American Indian. More women (19,821) were enrolled than men (18,426). Currently, the IU student body contains students from every state in the U.S. as well as over 159 foreign nations.[7]

Indiana University also has a wide variety of extracurricular organizations and clubs (over 400) to keep students active and involved beyond academics. IU is also home to a Greek system: nearly 5,000 students (about 17 percent of undergraduates) join one of the 47 fraternities and sororities.

History

Early years

Indiana's state government in Corydon founded Indiana University in 1820 as the "State Seminary". It was originally located at what is now called Seminary Square Park near the intersection of Second Street and College Avenue.[8] The 1816 Indiana state constitution required that the General Assembly (Indiana's state legislature) create a "general system of education, ascending in a regular gradation, from township schools to a state university, wherein tuition shall be gratis, and equally open to all." It took some time for the legislature to fulfill its promise, partly due to a debate regarding whether the Indiana Territory's land-grant public university—what is now Vincennes University—should be adopted as the State of Indiana's public university or whether a new public university should be founded in Bloomington to replace the territorial university. While the original state-issued legislative charter for IUB was granted in 1820, construction began in 1822; the first professor was hired in 1823; classes were offered in 1824. The first class graduated in 1830. Throughout this period and until the rechartering of Vincennes University from a four-year institution to a two-year institution in 1889, a legal-cum-political battle was fought between the territorial-chartered public university in Vincennes and the State of Indiana on behalf of the state-chartered public university in Bloomington, including the legal case (Trustees for Vincennes University v Indiana, 1853) which was appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States.

IU developed rapidly in its first years. The hiring of Andrew Wylie, its first president, in 1828 signified the school's growing professionalism. The General Assembly changed the school's name to "Indiana College" in the same year. In 1838 the legislature changed the school's name for a final time to Indiana University.

Wylie's death in 1851 marks the end of the university's first period of development. IU now had nearly a hundred students and seven professors. Despite the university's more obviously secular purpose, presidents and professors were still expected to set a moral example for their charges. It was only in 1885 that a non-clergyman, biologist David Starr Jordan, became president.

Between Wylie and Jordan's administrations, the University grew slowly. Few changes rocked the university's repose. One development is interesting to modern scholars: the college admitted its first woman student, Sarah Parke Morrison in 1867, making IU the one of the first state universities to admit women on an equal basis with men. Morrison went on to become the first female professor at IU in 1873.

In mid-passage

The Sample Gates, marking the entrance to the Old Crescent, the site of IU's historic campus buildings built between 1884 and 1908

In 1883, IU awarded its first Ph.D. and played its first intercollegiate sport, baseball, prefiguring the school's future status as a major research institution and a power in collegiate athletics. But another incident that year was far more important to the university: the university's original campus in Seminary Square near the center of Bloomington burned to the ground. Instead of rebuilding in Seminary Square, as had been the practice following previous blazes, the college was rebuilt between 1884 and 1908 at the far eastern edge of Bloomington. (Today, Bloomington has expanded eastward, and the "new" campus is once again at the center of the city.)

The first extension office of IU was opened in Indianapolis in 1916. In 1920/1921 the School of Music and the School of Commerce and Finance (what later became the Kelley School of Business) were opened. In the 1940s Indiana University opened extension campuses in Kokomo and Fort Wayne. The controversial Kinsey Institute for sexual research was established in 1947.

Campus

The IU campus is considered one of the most beautiful college campuses in the nation, with its abundance of flowering plants and trees and graceful, limestone buildings. Art critic Thomas Gaines called IU one of America's five most beautiful universities in The Campus as a Work of Art.

IUB's 1,933 acres (7.8 km²) includes abundant green space and historic buildings dating to the university's reconstruction in the late nineteenth century. The campus rests on a bed of Indiana limestone, specifically Salem limestone and Harrodsburg limestone, with outcroppings of St. Louis limestone. The "Jordan River" is a stream flowing through the center of campus. It is named for David Starr Jordan, Darwinist, ichthyologist, and president of IU and later Stanford University.

The Indiana University Student Building (right) is listed on the National Register of Historic Places

Facilities and architecture

Many of the campus's buildings, especially the older central buildings, are made from Indiana limestone quarried locally. The Works Progress Administration built much of the campus's core during the Great Depression. Many of the campus's buildings were built and most of its land acquired during the 1950s and 1960s, when first soldiers attending under the GI Bill and then the baby boom swelled the university's enrollment from 5,403 in 1940 to 30,368 in 1970.

The Bryan House is the traditional on-campus home of the university president. In the 17,000-seat Assembly Hall (home to the IU NCAA basketball team), there are five NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship banners on display. (For more on athletic facilities, see Indiana Hoosiers.)

The 1979 movie Breaking Away was filmed on location in Bloomington and the IU campus. It also featured a reenactment of the annual Little 500 bicycle race.

Indiana Memorial Union

The 500,000-square-foot (46,000 m2) Indiana Memorial Union (IMU), the second largest student union in the United States, is the campus centerpiece — a place where students go to study, relax, eat, sleep, bowl, play pool, watch movies, and even shop. In addition to numerous stores and restaurants, it features an eight-story student activities tower, a 186-room hotel, a 400-seat theatre, a 5,000-square-foot (460 m2) Alumni Hall, 50,000 square feet (4,600 m2) of meeting space, and a Starbucks. Nearly 20,000 people go through the Union on a typical school day. The IMU houses an outstanding collection of Indiana art including artists from Brown County, the Hoosier Group, Richmond Group and others.

The Fine Arts Library

The Fine Arts Library houses Indiana University's books and journals in the fields of the visual arts, art history, architecture, design and related disciplines and supports the academic needs of the Henry Radford Hope School of Fine Arts, and the Indiana University Department of Fine Arts. The collection comprises over 130,000 volumes and 390 periodicals, including collections of circulating slides and plates and a non-circulating collection of over 900 artists' books.

IU's first Fine Arts Library was established in the late 1930s as part of the Departmental office on the second floor, east wing of the University Library which was then located in Franklin Hall. The Fine Arts Library has gone through many changes and now comprises over 100,000 volumes and 390 periodicals, including collections of circulating slides and plates and a non-circulating collection of over 500 artists' books.

Herman B Wells Library

IU's Herman B Wells Library is the 13th largest university library in North America. Prior to a ceremony in June 2005 when it was renamed for IU's beloved former president and chancellor, this building was simply called the Main Library. Built in 1969, the building contains eleven floors in the graduate tower and five floors in the undergraduate tower. The building also contains the Information Commons, a fully-integrated technology center for learning and collaboration which attracts 82 percent of all undergraduate students. (IU Libraries recently earned their highest ranking ever, advancing to 12th place in a survey of North American academic research libraries.)

An oft-repeated urban legend holds that the library sinks over an inch every year because when it was built, engineers failed to take into account the weight of all the books that would occupy the building. The IU Bloomington Libraries website even hosts an official page dedicated to debunking this myth, stating, among other things, that the building's foundation rests squarely on a 94 ft (28.6 m) thick limestone bedrock.

The Lilly Library

The Lilly Library is one of the largest rare book and manuscript libraries in the United States. Founded in 1960 with the collection of J.K. Lilly, owner of Lilly Pharmaceuticals in Indianapolis, the library now contains approximately 400,000 rare books, 6.5 million manuscripts, and 100,000 pieces of sheet music.[9] The library's holdings are particularly strong in British and American history and literature, Latin Americana, medicine and science, food and drink, children's literature, fine printing and binding, popular music, medieval and Renaissance manuscripts, and early printing. Notable items in the library's collections include the New Testament of the Gutenberg Bible, the first printed collection of Shakespeare's works, Audubon's Birds of America, one of 25 extant copies of the "First Printing of the Declaration of Independence" (also known as the "Dunlap Broadside") that was printed in Philadelphia on July 4, 1776, George Washington's letter accepting the presidency of the United States, Abraham Lincoln's desk from his law office, a leaf from the famous Abraham Lincoln "Sum Book" ca. 1824-1826, Lord Chesterfield's letters to his son, the manuscripts of Robert Burns's "Auld Lang Syne", J. M. Synge's The Playboy of the Western World, and J. M. Barrie's Peter Pan, and typescripts of many of Ian Fleming's James Bond novels. The library also owns the papers of Hollywood directors Orson Welles and John Ford, the poets Sylvia Plath and Ezra Pound, and authors Edith Wharton and Upton Sinclair. In 2006, the library received a collection of 30,000 mechanical puzzles from Jerry Slocum. The collection will be on permanent display. Special permission is not required to use the collections, and the library has several exhibition galleries which are open to the public.

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Indiana University Auditorium in 1942

IU Auditorium

Built as a federal Works Progress Administration (WPA) project, the auditorium - located in the heart of campus - opened on March 22, 1941. Designed by architects Eggers & Higgins, it has been host for the last sixty years to the world's top performers and entertainers. The Auditorium is also home to Thomas Hart Benton's "Century of Progress" murals, painted for the 1933 Chicago World's Fair, the priceless Dailey Family Memorial Collection of Hoosier Art, and two Robert Laurent sculptures. It is also home to the 4500 pipe Schantz Organ, which is played for university ceremonies and other special events. Closed for a $13 million renovation and restoration in 1997, the Auditorium reopened in 1999.

The IU Art Museum

IU Art Museum

The IU Art Museum was first established in 1941 with a later building being designed by the world-renowned architecture firm I.M. Pei and Partners. In its unique design, it has no right angles in its construction. Completed in 1982, the museum collection of over 30,000 objects includes works by Claude Monet and Jackson Pollock. The museum has particular strengths in the art of Africa, Oceania, the Americas, Ancient Greece and Rome, and Early Modernism, and its collections of works on paper (prints, drawings and photographs). The IU Art Museum is also ranked as one of the top five university art museums along with Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, and Yale.[citation needed]

Notable artists who have their work displayed there include Marcel Duchamp, Pablo Picasso, and Henri Matisse.

Neal-Marshall Black Culture Center

Founded in 2002, the Neal-Marshall Black Culture Center is named after Marcellus Neal and Frances Marshall, early African American graduates from Indiana University. In addition to the culture center, it is also the home to the African American Cultural Center Library, the African American Arts Institute and the Office of Diversity Education.

Lee Norvelle Theatre and Drama Center

In January 2002, IU opened the Lee Norvelle Theatre and Drama Center on the Bloomington campus, adjacent to the old Theatre Building. The building is beautifully designed, and provides state-of-the-art technology, expansive and well-planned workshops, spacious directing and acting studios, and two vital, new performance spaces. The Ruth N. Halls Theatre is a 443-seat proscenium space and is the venue for four season productions each academic year in addition to a University faculty dance concert. The Wells-Metz Theatre is a 236 seat flexible venue which is home to 4 season productions each academic year. An intimate space with audience as close as 5 feet (1.5 m) from the action, the Wells-Metz has been the location of musicals and large Shakespearean productions, as well as small cast shows. With a full stage trap room and overhead suspension grid, the theatre has become known for its environmental productions with performers playing throughout the space from trap to grid.

Simon Hall

On October 16, 2007, Simon Hall (Multidisciplinary Science Building Phase I), IU's first new science structure completed in 50 years, was dedicated by Eli Lilly's CEO Sidnet Taurel. The $55.7 million dollar 140,000-square-foot (13,000 m2) structure is part of Indiana University's life science initiative. The building will house cell biologists, microbiologists, molecular biologists, geneticists, analytical chemists and biochemists, and biophysicists.

Multidisciplinary Science Building Phase II officially broke ground on September 27, 2007 and aims to expand and deepen IU's research operations. The $45.9 million dollar 128,006-square-foot (11,892.1 m2) structure is expected to be completed in 2009.

Academics

IU has over 120 majors and programs ranked in the nation's top 20. 29 graduate programs and four schools at Indiana University are ranked among the top 25 in the country in the US News & World Report's Best Graduate Schools 2001–02. Time magazine named IU its 2001 College of the Year among major research universities. Newsweek named it the Hottest Big State School in the Nation in 2005. The Institute of Higher Education at Shanghai Jiao Tong University ranked Indiana University as the 90th best university in the world.[10]

Upon assuming leadership of Indiana University, one of President Adam Herbert's biggest initiatives focused on "mission differentiation" for IU's eight campuses, which includes making the flagship Bloomington campus choosier among freshman applicants. Under the proposal, IUB would educate the professionals, executives and researchers while the regional campuses would educate the state's remaining labor force. Advocates believe it will rejuvenate Indiana's economy while critics argue it betrays the university's mission of educating more of Indiana's populace.[11] The university's academic system is divided into one large "College" (which itself contains one school) and twelve other schools and divisions. Together, these thirteen units offer more than 900 individual degree programs and majors.

College of Arts and Sciences

The College of Arts and Sciences, known as the College, is the largest of the University's academic divisions, and is home to more than 40 percent of IU's undergraduates. In addition, the College offers many electives and general education courses for students enrolled in most other schools on campus. There are more than 50 academic departments in the College, encompassing a broad range of disciplines from the traditional (such as biology, chemistry, mathematics, and English) to more modern and specialized areas, including Jewish Studies, History and Philosophy of Science, and International Studies. Through the College, IU also offers instruction in over 40 foreign languages, one of the largest language study offerings at any American university. IU is the only university in the nation that offers a degree in Hungarian (although it was done through the Individualized Major Program) and is the first university in the United States to offer a doctorate in gender Studies.[12] The university's catalog at one time boasted that a student could study any language from Albanian to Uzbek. The College is the parent division for fifteen individual research institutes, and holds the distinction of being the only academic division within the university to house an autonomous school (The Henry Radford Hope School of Fine Arts) within it. A number of first- and second-year students from the Indiana University School of Medicine (which is based at IUPUI) complete their preclinical education at the Bloomington campus's Medical Science Program, which is housed within the Department of Biology and the Indiana Molecular Biology Institute. The College is also home to the Department of Folklore and Ethnomusicology, the first formally established academic department in folklore at any United States university, and the only such department to integrate these two practices into one field. IU also features a world-class cyclotron, the Indiana University Cyclotron Facility, operated by the Department of Physics. The College also houses IU's Department of Theatre and Drama which offers a Bachelor of Arts in Theatre, a Master of Fine Arts in Acting, Directing, Playwriting or Design/Technology, and as of the 2007-2008 school year, a BFA in Musical Theatre. The highly selective BFA program provides the rigorous curriculum needed to train students in acting, singing and dancing.

School of Law

The Indiana University School of Law - Bloomington, founded in 1842, is one of the oldest schools on the Bloomington campus. It features a law library recently ranked first in the nation and is situated on the southwest corner of campus. In 2000, then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist presided over a mock trial of King Henry VIII in the school's moot courtroom. In the 2007 U.S. News & World Report rankings, the school was ranked 36th in the nation among law schools and 15th in public law schools.[13] Notable alumni from the School of Law include songwriter Hoagy Carmichael, Supreme Court Justice Sherman Minton, and Vice-Chairman of the 9/11 Commission and former congressman Lee Hamilton.

School of Library and Information Science

The IU School of Library and Information Science was recently ranked by U.S. News & World Report as the 7th best program of its type in the nation.[14]

Jacobs School of Music

Founded in the beginning of the 20th century by Charles Campbell, the Jacobs School of Music is consistently regarded as one of the best college music schools in the United States. It especially excels in voice, opera, orchestral conducting, and jazz studies. It has been ranked #1 in the country tied with Juilliard and Eastman by U.S. News & World Report.[15] With more than 1,600 students, the school is the largest of its kind in the US and among the largest in the world. The school's facilities, including five buildings located in the heart of campus, comprise recital halls, more than 170 practice rooms, choral and instrumental rehearsal rooms, and more than 100 offices and studios. Its prestigious faculty has included such notable names as János Starker, Andre Watts, Menahem Pressler, Abbey Simon, Ray Cramer, David Baker, Earl Bates, Carol Vaness, Sylvia McNair, and composer Sven-David Sandström. Notable alumni include violinist Joshua Bell, Edgar Meyer, and soprano Angela Brown.

Kelley School of Business

The Kelley School of Business was founded in 1920 as the University's School of Commerce and Finance. Approximately 6,100 students are enrolled in undergraduate, graduate Accountancy and Information Systems degrees, MBA and PhD programs, and online degree program Kelley Direct.

Kelley is one of the top business schools in the United States. It is one of only three business schools in the nation for whom all undergraduate and graduate programs rank in the top 20 of the US News & World Report college rankings. In 2008, US News ranked the undergraduate program eleventh in the nation (sixth among public schools) and, in 2008, the MBA program 20th in the nation (seventh among public schools). In 2007, the Wall Street Journal ranked Kelley's MBA program fifth in the nation among regional programs. Kelley's programs in consumer products, and energy and industrial products and services were second, marketing was third and accounting, eighth. Business Week ranked the undergraduate program 16th in 2008 (sixth among public schools) and the graduate program 18th in the nation in 2007 and sixth among public schools. In addition, Business Week gave the undergraduate program an A in teaching and an A+ career services.

Division of Labor Studies

The Division of Labor Studies, formerly a unit housed within the School of Continuing Studies, was founded in the 1940s during the tenure of Herman B Wells in response to the growing role of organized labor in American society. Today, the Division is one of only several degree-granting programs in the nation for the area of labor studies or industrial relations. Over the past year, the Division has come under increased pressure to move to a larger academic unit, such as the College of Arts and Sciences.[16] Notable faculty in recent years have included Leonard Page, General Counsel for the National Labor Relations Board during the Clinton Administration, and labor economist/author Michael Yates.

School of Education

The School of Education, formerly a part of the College of Arts and Science, has been independent since 1923. One of the largest schools of education in the United States, and consistently placed among the top 20 graduate schools of education in the United States by U.S. News, it offers a range of degrees in professional education: a B.S. in teacher education leading to a teaching license, M.S., education specialist (Ed. S.) and doctoral (Ed. D, Ph.D.) degrees.

School of Public and Environmental Affairs

The School of Public and Environmental Affairs (or SPEA) is the largest school of its kind in the United States. Through the wide array of concentrations and joint degrees SPEA offers, students can design an education corresponding to their interests. Founded in 1972, SPEA is known for its distinctive interdisciplinary approach. It brings together the social, natural, behavioral, and administrative sciences in one faculty.

In the most recent "Best Graduate Schools" (2009) survey by U.S. News & World Report, SPEA ranked second and is the nation’s highest-ranked graduate program in public affairs at a public institution. SPEA was ranked just behind Syracuse University and tied with Harvard.[17] Six of its specialty programs are ranked in the top 10 listings; four others are in the top 20. While similar rankings do not yet exist for graduate schools of environmental science, SPEA's reputation in the field is growing. SPEA is also a founding member of the Council of Environmental Science Deans and Directors.

SPEA is the only institution in its league with an interdisciplinary character where students can combine environmental science and public affairs. Indiana University's other highly-ranked schools and programs complement SPEA’s offerings; the school has 15 joint programs in social and natural sciences and professional fields. For example, in conjunction with the Department of Political Science, SPEA offers a Joint Ph.D. Program in Public Policy, the only one of its kind in the country. In addition, it offers many joint Masters degrees, such as MPA/MSES; MPA/JD; and MSES/JD programs.

School of Journalism

While not well known for their school of Journalism, IU has brought through multiple sports talk radio students, as well as well-known Sports Broadcaster Dick Enberg.

School of Informatics

In 1999, the Indiana University School of Informatics was established as an environment for research professors and students to develop new uses for information technology in order to solve specific problems in areas as diverse as biology, fine arts, and economics. Informatics is also interested in "how people transform technology, and how technology transforms us."[18]

The School is one of a handful which offer degrees in Human-Computer Interaction.[19] The School is the only one in the country to offer a formal degree which combines Human-Computer Interaction and Computer Security. In addition to the innovative HCI/security degree, the School offers master's degrees in Human-Computer Interaction Design, Music Informatics, Bioinformatics, Chemical Informatics, Security Informatics, and Computer Science.

On July 1, 2005 the Department of Computer Science officially moved from the College of Arts and Science to the School of Informatics. This move merged several faculty, bringing the total core faculty to over 100. Informatics also has strong ties with the School of Library and Information Sciences, Department of Telecommunications, Jacobs School of Music, and the Cognitive Science program.

Athletics

Kent Benson scoring for Indiana in a Big Ten game against Illinois in 1977

IU's intercollegiate athletics program has a long tradition of excellence in several key sports. From its humble beginnings with baseball in 1867, the Hoosier athletic program has grown to include over 600 male and female student-athletes on 24 varsity teams boasting one of the nation's best overall records. Sports sponsored by the university include football, men's basketball, women's basketball, cross country and track, baseball, golf, tennis, rowing, volleyball, and more.

The Hoosiers became a member of the prestigious Big Ten Conference on December 1, 1899. The school's national affiliation is with the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). National team titles (now totaling 25; 24 NCAA, 1 AIAW) have been won in six men's sports and one women's sport (tennis), topped by a record-setting six straight men's swimming & diving titles, seven men's soccer crowns and five titles in men's basketball. Indiana student-athletes have won 133 NCAA individual titles, including 79 in men's swimming and diving and 31 in men's track and field. In addition, IU teams have won or shared 157 Big Ten Conference championships.

The IU athletics endowment is $32 million, the largest in the Big Ten Conference.[20] The Varsity Club, which is the fundraising arm of the Athletics Department, drew a record $11.5 million in gifts and pledges in the fiscal year 2004–05. In addition, overall annual giving has increased 8.3% in the last year and 44.8 percent in the last three years.

In spite of this giving, IU's athletics department has been unable to balance its budget. Because of this the university administration has attempted, thus far unsuccessfully, to double the athletics fee which students pay with their tuition each semester. A number of students argue that the athletics department's financial woes are its own problems, and that support of athletics should be voluntary. Others, especially in the athletics department, argue that athletic programs are an integral part of the university experience, and therefore everyone should pay into it, regardless of whether they are interested in it.

In addition to its rich tradition in intervarsity sports, IU also boasts a strong reputation in many non-varsity sports. Many of these "club" teams, especially those in ice hockey and rugby union, have achieved a great deal of success in intercollegiate competition. The consistent success of these athletic clubs has several times led the university to establish varsity programs in sports in which there had previously not been a team for NCAA intervarsity competition.

It should also be noted that a large percentage of the IU student body regularly participates in both formal and/or informal intramural sports, including soccer, tennis, basketball, and golf. Among intramural athletics, IU's reputation for student participation and instruction in the martial arts is particularly strong.

In February 2008 it was announced by the NCAA that Indiana University is under investigation for 5 Major recruiting violations committed by former men's basketball head coach Kelvin Sampson and his coaching staff. These violations arose out of the same conduct previously self-reported to the NCAA by IU officials. The original report included Indiana's belief in Sampson's claim the violations were accidental and due to a misunderstanding concerning the rules. In addition to the original violations, the NCAA's "major" violations claim included an accusation that Sampson had lied to the NCAA and Indiana officials in that original investigation and report. Kelvin Sampson resigned on February 23, 2008, but IU may still face additional consequences in formal NCAA proceedings in the summer of 2008.

Media

Media outlets of Indiana University include:

  • WFIU radio - public radio including NPR and local programming, but predominantly classical music
  • WTIU television - PBS station including national and local programming.
  • IUSTV [1] (Indiana University Student Television) - an entirely student run television station broadcasting to over 12,000 on campus residents and over 40,000 Bloomington residents via Community Access Television. Founded in 2002, IUSTV has quickly grown to be a leading media entity and student organization on campus.
  • Indiana Daily Student [2] - free daily newspaper fully supported financially through ad sales. Founded in 1867, it has a circulation of over 15,000 and is produced by IU students.
  • WIUX [3] - an entirely student run radio station that broadcasts currently on FM 99.1 and via live internet streaming on its website. It broadcasts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week during the fall and spring semesters. Besides playing independent music, the station provides coverage of nine different Indiana University sports teams. The station was established in 1963 under the call letters WQAD. It was granted a low-power FM licence in the spring of 2005, and transitioned to FM in early 2006.
  • IU Home Pages, faculty and staff news: In print, the audience includes approximately 17,000 employees on eight campuses—an audience of varied backgrounds and experience such as groundskeepers, hospital workers, Nobel laureates, administrative assistants, clerical, professional and technical workers as well as professors and administrators.

Faculty

With over 1,823 full-time faculty members, Indiana University leads the Big Ten public universities in the number of endowed faculty positions, with 333 chairs, professorships, and curators. IUB also reported in fall 2004 that it employed 334 part-time faculty, totaling 1,877 full-time equivalents. Of the full-time faculty, 76% were tenured. Like the student body, IUB's faculty is predominantly white. Of full-time administrators, faculty, and lecturers, 118 (6%) were Asian, 74 (4%) were African-American, 62 (4%) were Hispanic, 5 (0.3%) were Native American, and 1,535 (85%) were "other." More men (62%) than women held academic appointments at the university.

Professors at IUB were better paid than their counterparts in the IU system. A full professor earned an average of $126,500, an associate professor $89,000, and an assistant professor $74,400.

Notable faculty and alumni

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